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10 March 2011

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Barry Pruett

Mr. Pitt states that this is a fight for labor's ability to bargain on an equal footing for the right to earn a living wage. If the unions were bargaining with a business that could be said, but in this instance, the unions are bargaining with J"oe Six Pack" (the taxpayer) for higher wages and benefits. When public sector workers make twice as much as their private sector counterparts, "Joe Six Pack" is the one getting the shaft...not the "evil corporations," as the lefties would say.

Todd Juvinall

When I was elected Supervisor and was saddled with negotiations it was my philosophy I was there to protect the taxpayer.

John Galt

Mr. Pitt and his ilk are sounding a bit violent, intolerant, and uncivil. Michael Moore was recommending a revolution yesterday.

Based on how the left/the unions have played WI to date, violence will work to their favor. Ultimately the whole nation will suffer if it comes to violence.

An unfortunate consequence of the great advances made in our nation is that huge numbers of people have become so soft that they are unable to effectively deal with negative events. Too many people have lost the ability 'suck it up'. We need another "Great Communicator" to remind the left that we're all in a tight spot and so we ALL have to share some of the pain.

Perhaps NPR could air a marathon of The Waltons.

Scott Obermuller

The public workers in Wisconsin pay nothing compared to what we in California had to pay for our retirement and medical. They should be ashamed of their chanting about their "rights". I see very little intelligent coverage of what goes on in Madison by MSNBC or NPB - Fox is clearly more fair and clear. Union violence and thugery is omitted from the lame stream coverage. By the way - what happened to the Dems insistence on being nice and polite? OOPS! Like all liberal and Dem deeply held beliefs - a million miles wide and a micron deep. And that's being generous about the micron.

D. King

“…but rest assured the community knows who you really are, and what you believe, and will act accordingly.”

Boo!...boo from the "community".

D. King

George,

That threat reminds me of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M146JBIuT64

Dixon Cruickshank

Their most pissed about the state not collecting the dues money and the fact that the teachers and such will not be required to join, as its mandatory now. Stroking a check for grand will get stuck in some craws I would bet, setting up auto debits will make it softer.

Florida is on it as well now and thats about all we have is PEU's

Barry Pruett

"Today the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported a union death threat received by a Wisconsin state senator – 'We have all planned to assault you by arriving at your house and putting a nice little bullet in your head.'"

Where is the outrage from the former editor of The Union? Oh yeah...this threat was directed at a Republican so it is all good.

Todd Juvinall

The FUE is a hypocrite. When the TPP was accused of spitting that was covered as some sort of murder would be reported by the liberal nuts. Amazing.

Jeff Peline

The FUE! The FUE! What a bunch of angry men! Get outdoors and enjoy the sunshine. LOL.

Dixon Cruickshank

"The FUE is a hypocrite."


Todd - are you sure ?? " No way - hey Rick, check this out"

D. King

“…Michael Moore has called for the nation’s high schoolers to hit the streets today and demonstrate in solidarity with the revolution he wants to start on these shores.”

That’s his audience, high schoolers and those with retarded development. This is so pathetic. It’s hard to watch ageing hippies longing for days gone by and trying to claw back their youth.

Really sad!

Dixon Cruickshank

Watching all this video with the police - I wonder, did they lose thier Tazer's someplace? They Taze little old ladys and kids for pete's sake

Bo Reardon

And the progressives call the tea party movement 'fringe' 'radical' 'hate'! Hypocrites! Could you imagine the media rampage if Glenn Beck called for violent revolution like Michael Moore! Hypocrites! Civility is not a trait used to describe the looters. Walker is a stud making tough (and needed) choices. The conservative rallys i have been to have all been very civil; nothing like these animal union members who have been caught stealing.

Bo Reardon

These animal union protesters scream "Me Me Me" while the Japanese (and others) are dying from natural disaster(s). Selfish hypocrites; every one. They are anti-tolerance, anti-liberty, anti-individual, anti-American.

Greg Goodknight

And just what is the "trade" in this case? Looking at the wiki, I don't see "public schoolteacher" or "DMV clerk" in the list of tradesmen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tradesman

Tradesmen historically are involved in commerce, not government work.

Give the frustrated FUE a break, all he has is a degree in Rhetoric and another in Journalism. He doesn't know anything but writes about everything; it's all he can do.

D. King

At some point in the near future when other states have shed their union shackles and their economies are recovering, California and its enlightened ones will “stand” alone as an example.

http://tinyurl.com/4chm2jw

Dixon Cruickshank

At least he did not use the " They put their life on the line every day" quote, just because the citzens want to choke the life out them everyday for incompetence.

John Galt

Ooops I had a typo--left out the key word "NOT" in my earlier post. Should read: ".... violence will NOT work to their favor."

Repercussions would be monumental for The Unions and The Democrats if violence escalates.

Dixon Cruickshank

John its already over I think, they operate like the Mafia and this has opened a wound for all America to see. Both the unions and the Senators literally showed their ass to the world, there is no winning on this one. It wasn't even a company vs the union, it was American taxpayers vs PEU's big difference, the quote "middle america" that pays the taxes and their salaries and benies - all this opened up what they actually recieve and what they want. - not pretty - they educated America - stick a fork in them their done.

except the nine at Pelines, their still on the Koch's ?????

George Rebane

Dixon, that is a very hopeful assessment, and I sincerely hope that you are right. However, the Dems feel that this "assault on unions" will vitalize the left's base of hard core socialists and double dummies with notions like 'violating workers' rights'. They are celebrating Wisconsin as "exposing" the monied interests, and finally giving the progressives a hot button issue that will camouflage Obama's first term failures.

Dixon Cruickshank

I agree it will George but that is a much smaller group than that they disinfranchised. Please see Georges last update to get this point

Steve Enos

George is correct when he said..."this "assault on unions" will vitalize the left's base".

It was a bridge too far... someone did not read "The Art of War". They over reached.

George you are correct.

D. King

Dixon said:

"except the nine at Pelines, their still on the Koch's ?????"


Yeah, the Koch Piñata is looking quite tatty now.

"Both the unions and the Senators literally showed their ass to the world, there is no winning on this one."

The threats and thuggery are are stupid, and the Hippie Drum Circle/Conga Line was laughable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNFWA4tfoFQ

Dixon Cruickshank

Your correct Steve on it being a war, its a war on the middle class not the PEU's though. The other private sector unions are actually pretty insignificant since they ran most of their business'es oversea's already. They then went to the PEU's which obviously can't move to Mexico or China, so this war is the PEU unions vs Middle America. MA has disappeared not for the lack of PEU's but because of them. MA has been sucked dry by excessive taxes, fee's and regulations brought on by ever increasing need to fund the beast.

I think the attack Steve must refer to is the Mandatory membership - the mandatory collection of dues to fund polical operations to hire the public contract negiators. I guess they don't want to give the membership the opportunity to actually vote to see if they want the union to actually represent them. Maybe they won't - Mandatory is always better I guess but I did think this was America, where we are supposed to have some freedom of choice.

I can't see asking for 5% for health care and chipping in for a sweet pension being considered an assault.

Steve Enos

Dixon, recap... it was not I that said it was an "attack", it was George that stated this when he posted... "Governor Scott Walker’s bill, now signed into law, is “an assault on the unions”. Belated and focused too narrowly on the PELUs, I would fully agree that it is".

Also my use of the word "war" was in the following context, no need for you to post what you think I was "refering to", as you are wrong.

George was correct when he said..."this "assault on unions" will vitalize the left's base".

It was a bridge too far... someone did not read "The Art of War". They over reached and over reaching is a big mistake, a mistake warned against in "The Art of War".

George was correct.

Todd Juvinall

I am shocked, shocked I tell you! Enos is using violent languages and mind images. My GOD! Whay is next. The Art of ?

Steve Enos

Yet another off topic, personal attack by Juvinall.

George, all Todd does is undermine this blog's value as a place to hold a respectful, rational, issue based discussion. George why don't you ever address this?

Dixon Cruickshank

George's terms came from Pres Obama btw - word for word. I just said it wasn't an assault at all and your full of chit - just to recap

As far as reaching too far, see how many states in the next 3 months start reaching for the stars the exact same way. We will have to set a network of Democratic Safe Houses across the country.

Dixon Cruickshank

As far as the bridge too far and the Art of War, I would think the Dems and their PEU's are more likely on the Baatan Death March

Steve Enos

Dixon Cruickshank provides yedt another personl attack by responding with "your full of chit".

George, two of your regular posters sure bring down the value and worth of your blog with their endless, needless personal insults and attacks.

Todd Juvinall

I have been desperately looking for SteveE's posts condemning Pelline and Frisch. Well, I guess he is simply your run of the mill liberal hypocrite. Too bad though, I thought he was showing outrage because he was sincere. Silly me.

Steve Enos

Yet another off topic, personal attack by Juvinall.

George, all Todd does is undermine this blog's value as a place to hold a respectful, rational, issue based discussion. George why don't you ever address this?

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