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« Ruminations – 15mar2011 (updated 16mar2011) | Main | Union Blues »

15 March 2011

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Todd Juvinall

I have to admit the little chub fellow looks like a leftwingnut blogger I know.

Russ Steele

Awesome!

Barry Pruett

RL strikes again. Having been the subject of a Crabb cartoon, I know that you just need to laugh, as that is what political cartoons are all about.

I particularly like the picture of George...very funny.

Dixon Cruickshank

Touche' Mr Crabb

Dixie Redfearn

I think Crabb is a genius!!!

RL Crabb

Now that the cheers, jeers and gnashing of teeth have subsided, I'll respond to the comments on Tuesday's cartoon. I am an editorial cartoonist (muckraker to some) and anyone who knows me or has read my chicken-scratchings over the years knows that I have strong opinions about politics and bad behavior, and that I will gladly gore any sacred cow regardless of which side on the fence he or she chews their cud on.

I am an independent contractor and my cartoons appear in the local newspaper. The subject matter is mine and mine alone, and may or may not conflict with positions the paper has chosen to take. They have never pushed me to take one side or another. Have I been rejected? Yes, maybe three times over the course of thirteen years. Not a bad track record.

Recently, one blogger in particular accused the paper and the reporters of being biased, bad reporting, and me personally for "coddling" racists. Many people are critical of the paper and there are times I agree with them, but not this time. In my opinion, the blogger was way off base. I found his criticism distorted, convoluted and hypocritical. He called me a phony, and that my comments "sickened" him. Well, one cheap shot deserves another.

Having said that, it is also my opinion that all the local blogs have sunk to a new low. The conversations degenerate into endless, repetitive name-calling. If you haven't noticed, the country, and the world, are teetering on the edge of total collapse while you bash each other. Many of the more thoughtful commenters have left the fray, and others are leaning that way. Our community needs cooperation, not confrontation. We'll all need each other if we are going to survive in this new world.

This will be my last cartoon on the subject of local blogs. I can find more fruitful endeavors to occupy my time. From now on, my cartoons will be my voice in the community, as long as I can hold a pen.

D. King

"..gores all of our oxen in turn."

I think there’s dog whistles in Bob’s homographic art.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homograph

Well done Bob.

Todd Juvinall

Well, i think blogs are a very fun exercise. I guess we offended Bob by praising him because now he will be called a tool of the right. Sorry Bob.

Jeff Peline

Bob is a registered Republican, his friends tell me.

Barry Pruett

Jeff: Like you, Crabb is registered decline to state. That being said, you have voted a Democratic ballot in each primary since you moved here. LOL.

D. King

Bob said:

"If you haven't noticed, the country, and the world, are teetering on the edge of total collapse..."

We've noticed Bob!

Gave a gentle nudge in November.

What's next when they’re not listening?

http://ncwatch.typepad.com/media/2011/03/giving-new-meaning-to-liberal-political-stupidity-we-know-better-than-the-people-.html

“The post concludes with this summary of the Waxman-Markey-Inslee argument as follows:

We know what is good for America and the world. It’s a future without fossil fuels. We can’t persuade the people’s representatives to support our agenda and turn it into law. Therefore, it is necessary for EPA to implement our agenda regardless of the defeat of cap-and-trade, the November 2011 elections, and the separation of powers. Our agenda is more important than any constitutional principle that might interfere with it.


Jeff Peline

Barry,

•"He used to be a Democrat and changed to Republican a few years ago," is what Bob's friend said.

•And you're wrong about my voting record. I voted on a DS ballot last year. In fact, just to be sure, I just checked with the CR's office to confirm that. They can confirm it for you too! In addition, though it's not a matter of public record, I voted for Doug LaMalfa and said so on my blog.

Greg Goodknight

So, Jeff, who was the last non-Democrat you've voted for Senator or President?

In speaking at local waterholes with the esteemed R.L. I've not gotten a whiff of him being Republican, and we were talking politics.

The funniest affectation among modern US journalists is that somehow registering decline-to-state is a badge of non-partisanship; all it means is you're not telling what your partisanship may lean: plausible deniability is not high journalistic standards.

Barry Pruett

If you voted a DS ballot, LaMalfa would not have been on it. Nice try.
Question: While you were calling to confirm your lie, did you confirm that RL is a DS instead of talking to "Bob's friend?" Answer: No.

Jeff Peline

Barry,
Who's the liar here? I voted on a DS ballot in the June election (when I also voted against you), and the clerk-recorder's office can confirm that for you. In fact, I encourage any of the readers to confirm that with the CR's office and report back, thus exposing your "lie" that I voted the Democratic ballot each primary that I moved here. I voted for LaMalfa in the November election when he ran against a Democrat. Again, it was Bob's friend, who knows him well from Shifters, who said: ""He used to be a Democrat and changed to Republican a few years ago."

Dixon Cruickshank

Exit Question: Does anybody really care?

RL Crabb

For the record, I was registered Democrat from 1972 to 2002, when I switched to Republican. I did this because it gave me the opportunity to vote against John Doolittle twice. I changed to DTS at the town hall meeting on Healthcare hosted by the Tea Party. In the last election, I voted for two Republicans (Cooley and Maldonado), two Dems (Lockyer and Bowen) and the rest Libertarian or Peace and Freedom.

Hope that clears the air.

Barry Pruett

Thanks for confirming what I said...that you are registered decline to state. I was serious about wanting to purchase your cartoon. bpruett282@hotmail.com

George Rebane

Bob, I sincerely hope that you will reconsider those sentiments about covering the local blog scene. Yes, the comment threads get a little tacky when they sink to naked name calling. But a careful perusal of the posts here will reveal that RR posts, while occasionally taking their positions to task, do not besmirch other bloggers by name.

Bending us all in turn over your knee from time to time has been a positive and bracing experience. At least that is what this old dinosaur thinks.

Russ Steele

Bob,

Blogs are now part of the political landscape and should be observe with your sharp eye and rapier pen. Please continue to expose those that need to be brought up short. I agree that there is too much name calling in the comment, but there are some interesting ideas worth discussing the body of many posts. I have to agree with George, take us over you knee when ever necessary,

John Galt

That was a bold political commentary for RL Crabb to make. He sure didn’t make any friends with Jeff Pelline’s Purple People. In the spirit of Bob’s expose perhaps we should make an effort to tone down our discourse.

Though it can be entertaining to read, sometimes the rhetorical bomb throwing get’s a bit much.

Assuming RL Crabb’s commentary has a positive influence on “The Purple People”, perhaps we should reciprocate?

Given our small town, and the seriousness of current events, I’m hoping that animosity meter will go down—at least for a while.

Dixon Cruickshank

Just like WI their invigorated now, I'm surprised their not all out in Bob's front yard, maybe the bus'es haven't arrived yet, well maybe a teeny bus.

Steve Enos

George posted to Bob Crabb... "a careful perusal of the posts here will reveal that RR posts, while occasionally taking their positions to task, do not besmirch other bloggers by named... "

George... don't you read the posts made here by Todd and Dixon?

Do I really need to post some of the endless, name specific personal attack, name calling insulting, off topic posts made here by Todd and Dixon to that shows the truth?

George Rebane

SteveE - you are a conundrum to us all here on RR. You comments never address the ideas in the posted article, but constantly and monotonously carp on the behavior of other readers and my conduct of this blog. The writing of such endless comments must also be wearing on you.

Why don't you give it a rest and accede that the other readers are incorrigible, and the best plan forward is to just avoid the lot of them?

BTW, in the quote of what I wrote, I adhere to the convention that a ‘post’ on a blog is the titled article. What the readers subsequently contribute are ‘comments’. Admittedly this may be confusing because the term ‘post a comment’ is also in use. In that light, I do my best to avoid calling any specific person a pejorative name in the articles I post. But I often identify pejorative classes into which the reader can insert any specific person(s) they wish.

And I have noticed that you also have ceased personal name calling on RR - now if we can next work on shifting your remarks back to the posted topic, I wonder how the rest of the readership would react to that. I continue to believe that you have a material contribution to make to the topics and ideas you find on these pages.

RL Crabb

Since the publication of this cartoon, I have had offers to buy the original and/or reprint rights. I have no desire to perpetuate the pissing match between bloggers, and I have no desire to profit from this sorry episode. Thank you for the interest, but I'm not selling.

Steve Enos

George... as a recent example, under the story you did about what you call wormfarm II I posted about the local banking issue you raised in your story. I posted about specific issues regarding Citizen's Bank .. a on topic post.

Regardless of what I post the result is personal attacks and off topic, name calling by a couple of your regular posters... that being Todd and Dixon.

George this is a fact and you must know this to be true, you are not a stupid person George. One can review my past posts and the resulting off topic, personal posts by Todd and Dixon, regardless of what I post.

This is the truth and you refuse to address Tood and Dixon and their off topic, name calling, personal attack posts.

So George, how about you posting a shout out right here to Todd and Dixon to clean up their act here? Will you hold them accountable?

George Rebane

SteveE, I reread the comment thread on my 4mar11 post on community partnership banking (Union column). In it you take me to task for not covering another topic having to do with a local bank. You often do that, and that’s OK. (I have limited space in the Union and my selection of the topic and its treatment is sacrosanct.) Your criticisms of me and presentation of your points were civil, and the response they received from other commenters were equally civil.

All was going well in the discussion thread until Mr Frisch showed up with his insinuations against the other commenters. Well, Frisch does not have too good of a reputation on these pages as either a clear thinker or a civil discussant, and there is a distinct group of RR readers whose hackles are easily raised by people of such persuasion, talent, and demeanor. For that reason he is among the dear departed from these pages – it just wasn’t worth the aggravation that his hubristic participation (note his perennial dramatic exits promising never to return) engendered. Besides, he just pissed me off one too many times.

Now on that same 4mar11 comment thread, I didn’t see anyone calling you names. They did point out the diversion that you were creating with Citizens Bank, but that was a valid response in such a discussion. So I’m still at a loss as to what your personal complaint is about the example that you cited. My strong feeling is that if you frequent RR with a civil tongue, stick to the issues, and minimize directed moralizing, then the readers about whom you complain will be equally civil toward you. It seems to have worked in the past.

Finally, I may be wrong, but too often I and others get the feeling that your prime motivation here is to carp about how I run this blog. That itself can become aggravating.

Steve Enos

George, so you "feel" what you think my motivations are? WOW!

So it's my fault that Todd and Dixon post name calling, personal attacks here?

Seems you can't bring yourself to say Dixon and Todd post name calling, personal attacks here and you refuue to hold them acountable for their actions.

So is there two set of standards on your blog?

Greg Goodknight

Steve, Pelline let Doug Keachie, a retired San Fran teacher with what appears to be a roaring case of adult attention disorder and a dozen or more sock puppets over at The Union blogs, pound me with libelous ad hominems over and over. Todd and Dixon's pointed posts pale in comparison to what the Wingnut Big Boy both dishes out and encourages. How about less of a double standard from you and yours?

That said, Todd, you should think more and attack less.

Todd Juvinall

I actually think a lot before I respond to those that attack me. Your comment feeds right into what Steve is trying to accomplish.

George Rebane

SteveE, 1) I don't think you read and/or understood my response to you, and 2) now you are definitely getting tiresome.

John Galt

Sad to hear the tone of regret in RL Crabb's last comment. By his "sorry episode" description one can imagine the pleasantries he's receive in his private mail from our tolerant peace loving friends on the left.

Kudos again to RL Crabb for risking wrath to expose what needed to be exposed.

Jeff Peline

John Galt,
You need to get out into the real world more often. Nobody cares. Po-dunk. LOL.

George Rebane

Well, from personal comments I have received at events, many emails, and the comment stream here, I can safely say that Bob Crabb has a goodly following of "nobodies" who do care.

Jeff Peline

That's nice. I'll let you know when the tsunami reaches my shore.

Dixon Cruickshank

Mr Crabb, I think you should re - consider, that cartoon is very very good and would carry across many more venues than just your little town - it is America today to be honest. Not sure who made the offer but you should consider allowing it to go natonal if it so desires.

My high school had 2400+ students compared to NC, but that cartoon would fit in so many communities across the country and the world actually, it has played out in NC anyway - but there are Peelines everywhere - share the laughter and share your genius

Todd Juvinall

RL Crabb has now discovered what happens when you cross or disagree with the FUE. Yes, we on the right get into heated debates and we defend ourselves vigorously when necessary but if you read the exchange on the FUE's blog with Crabb then you can understand what precipitated the cartoon. I find it interesting that we so called "hard right" conservatives are the one's doing the praising. Kind of of flows against the conformity doesn't it?.

Greg Goodknight

An apropos quote...

"Attention shoppers! Outside today, we have a cripple fight. Cripple fight, outside!" - Eric Cartman

Jeff Peline

The cartoon is dated 12/15. Or is that just another mistake. LOL.

Barry Pruett

RL...hey I have been the ire of a cartoon of yours. You know what I did when I saw it...I laughed out loud! Your talents are a source of gold for the Gold Country. Thank you for taking me to task and others with your whitty humor and irreverence!

Todd Juvinall

Barry, I have also had my life or a least a part of it parodied by the left in a play at the Nevada Theater. I was laughing all throu it. I think the FUE could star in "Hair" and do a believable acting job. Maybe the lead! LOL.

RL Crabb

Here's another clue...The walrus was Paul.

John Galt

RL Crabb's action actually got some supportive postings on Jeff Pelline's blog. It seems a few people are realizing the behind Jeff Pelline's purple cloak, there's a lot of anger.....and it's affecting his journalistic professionalism. ;)

I suspect the venomous attacks upon RL Crabb have backfired. It seems that more than a few people on the left agree that a political cartoonist should be able to practice their profession without being crucified.


Todd Juvinall

Political discourse is so back and forth that one day Crabb is a great guy and the next a bum. So it goes. I have been called every name in the book and yeah, in the beginning it did bother me and hurt my wife and kids but eventually you have to get over it. It appears Crabb is more concerned with us praising his work than he is in accepting Pelline etal's vitriol. Amazing!

George Rebane

"The walrus was Paul." This is a clue to a puzzle that I cannot find. Help!

Todd Juvinall

Coo Coo Ca Choo

John Galt

Praise from the Right is evidence in the eyes of the so called Purple People that RL Crabb commentary was in error. I think they are purple because of their rage. The rage blinds them. And it's a special kind of rage they reserve for one that doesn't toe the line.

Dixon Cruickshank

This is kinda like a Dear John letter, they thought he was one of them since Bob was able to post on the site with tne band of 10. Welcome to the darkside Bob, I don't think you'll be doing much posting over there anymore since you've been exposed as a Jeff A lackey, who knows where that came from.

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