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25 October 2011

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Mikey McD

100% pure truth. Well Said George. Peter Schiff mirrored your thoughts...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLmD9TeUC54

D. King

"It is no wonder to any but the progressive mind that today businesses are hiring slowly if at all, and taking the extra time to employ only the best people they can find."

Excellent link Mikey.

It seems to me that the progressive mind is stuck in the past. What I can't figure out is if their policies are nefarious or naive.

bill tozer

Excellent article, Dr. Rebane. Nothing to add except a line from the movie Ghost Busters. "I once worked in the private sector. It was horrible. They expected results!"

Mikey McD

Bill great citation (Ghost Busters)... I wanted to provide the link before D. King did...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjzC1Dgh17A

Fred

How much did you pay for for your "undergraduate schooling," by the way?

bill tozer

Bill Gates has taken some heat for lobbying Congress for increasing the threshold for visas issued to immigrant engineers and techies. Why? Microsoft can't find enough qualified skilled workers to fill their needs. It is no secret that males 40-55 have been a declining part of the workforce since at least 1970. I would argue that Reagen had an easier time in creating jobs back in the day because manufacturing jobs still were a good part of the labor force. Women on the other hand started to dominate the health care field (among other fields) with nursing degrees and such, resulting in more stable higher paying skilled jobs than their construction/manufacturing blue collar husbands. The percentage of women with college degrees has overtaken and exceeded their male counterparts. Many older males who have had long term employment in their field are also becoming painfully aware that their specific skill set they have perfected working for 'the company' does not necessarily transfer outside their company's doors or are outdated in the "new world". I am such a one, where my skills would not qualify me to walk merrily into a related field. Blaming the employer is just plain old blame without rhyme or reason. There are 4-6 million UNDER employed out there, i.e., those who are working less than the desired full time, those who have remained loyal to their employer during this downturn by taking furloughs, cuts/freezes in pay, less hours, etc. These underemployed workers are NOT counted in the unemployment figures. Has it occurred to anyone in the Ivory Towers that these employees will be first in line to be rewarded by their employers when hiring picks up and will receive more hours and compensation and are already trained? Millions of our underemployed will receive the benefits of a recovering economy and not appear in the unemployment stats. But, more to Dr. Rebane's topic. Obamacare and Romneycare's unspoken flaw is there are not enough trained doctors to met the needs of expanded enrollment of patients. Already ER visits have soared in Massachusetts because patients with health insurance have to wait longer to see their doctors and opt for the trip to the ER instead, creating exactly the opposite results intended. I tell the kids that its ok not to receive a 4 year degree if they opt for vocational school. Might serve them better in the long run.

D. King

If it was a snake, it would have bit you!

There is plenty of talent right here.

It’s the human resources department’s responsibility to hire. They now use a matrix which no longer has the experience of the potential employee as the most important parameter. What would be worse is if the government was to take over student loans and use the same matrix. And maybe Collages could use the same matrix for admittance and the curriculum could be adjusted to produce exactly what the employer’s human resources matrix calls for…and around and around goes the big progressive wheel!

bill tozer

Ok, I lied when I said not much to add. The trap is to fall into blaming the younger generation. Easy to do. "Gotta pay your dues. Gotta produce. Gotta step up to the plate and work well by yourself and with others or don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya." My pet peeve is when working with new people, they keep asking/whining about raises within the second week on the job. I tell them the gotta wait 3 or 6 months and get some results under their belts. They already got paid to go through 6-8 weeks of training, a background check that is more exhaustive than the FBI background check, given everything thing they need from tools to resources and they only thing they want to know is when/what/where is the next raise, despite my repeating over and over that if you make the numbers for 3 months in a 6 month period, you advance, then wait 3 months, then make the numbers in 3 out of the next 6 months you advance again and again. But, no! They are impatient and need a lot of atta-boys to keep them happy. A lot of atta-boys. They need to be stroked. They call me "old school" cause I tell them I do not expect anything, no plaques, no certicates, no applause ...nothing except my paycheck and bennies for doing what I was hired to do. They get 2 weeks vacation from day one, yet they are unhappy that someone with 5 years gets 3 weeks, and someone with 10 years gets 4 weeks and I get 6 weeks. Like respect, it is earned not given. My nephew graduated last year with a degree in Business Administration. Could not find a job. Finally landed a job with an insurance company. He was handed a phone book and told to go get em. He is selling Medicare Part D and life insurance all over the valley, busy burning up the tires making house calls from morning to night. He earns every penny he gets and with that attitude he will make it just fine. Don't blame the employer for being reluctant to hire dead weight!

Steve Frisch

How convenient it is for people to "pull themselves up by their own bootstraps" when public university education is of high quality and relatively inexpensive; the American economy is growing on average at a 6-8% rate; major public investments are being made in infrastructure, technology, transportation and housing; the stock market and banking are still being overseen by the SEC, FDIC, and Fed; the US is still amongst the top global supplier of manufactured goods and intellectual capital based services; and personal savings rates driving the availability of investment capital are averaging 8%, as they all were in the good old days of the 1950's, 60's & 70's.

To bad these conditions bears little resemblence to the modern world.

My experience with younger workers, although slightly skewed due to our ability at SBC to attract the best and the brightest, is that they are ambitious, dedicated, hard working, intellectually self directed, technologically savvy, and relatively altruistic compared to my day and peer age.

I do think they require more feedback, which very well be a strength considering how technology is transforming the work place by requiring more laterally directed work teams to address complexity.

The do get a little tired of hearing how our generation had to walk five miles in the snow with thin shoes to get to school, as the classic Gen-X Saturday Night Live skit pointed out. They recognize this mind set as the farce that it really is.

Russ Steele

Steven,

The people you hire, what are their degrees, BS, MA, Phd, and in what fields of study? Your young workers sound like the 7 engineers that I hired from Cal Poly in the 1990s, all self-directed problem solvers.

Greg Goodknight

"I do think they require more feedback, which very well be a strength considering how technology is transforming the work place by requiring more laterally directed work teams to address complexity."

Somebody has been playing "Buzzword Bingo" far too often.

stevenfrisch

Greg, I am wondering if you will ever have anything nice to say? Must be tough being you.

Lateral communication is both a well known and increasingly widely accepted practice in modern business, being driven by the rapid expansion of communications technology, coupled with the need for organizations to assemble ad hoc work teams to address specific issues. It is particularly beneficial in cases when organizations may not have all of the skills required to address a problem and do not wish to invest in permanent human resources to address the issue.

Fortunately, young people who were conceived and wired in the digital age, get this.

Brad Croul

"Employers should instead take in the unqualified, and educate them in the skills needed as, he claims, they did in the old days."

You seem to be contradicting yourself in the above statement. Didn’t Northrop (or whomever) hire you and, if you had some powers of observation, and if they saw some talent, invite you to stay on as an employee, where you probably picked up some skills on the job?.

Employers training newbies is what apprenticeships and internships do, and these "olden" practices are still used today. I guess that, since unions are trying to “force” employers to train apprentices, apprenticeships have taken on a negative connotation in some minds.

Employers also provide funding for specialized, higher education and training. The government also does this for military personnel.

Those who desire more, sooner, still have the option of burning extra midnight oil, or finding alternative funding, from rich uncles to Pell grants, to support higher education costs.

Back a few decades ago the joke what that there were a lot of unemployed history majors - things haven't changed much. Highly specialized techies with science degrees tend to discount generalists with “arts” degrees, but I would call Steve Jobs a generalist and Steve Wosniak a specialist. I think there is room for both in the world.

Brad Croul

I would change the above to read, You seem to be contradicting yourself in taking issue with the above statement.

Mikey McD

Hiring = liability. Hiring the 'uneducated' is stupid liability.

Brad Croul

I think Cappelli is referring to the old, Catch 22, which goes something like, how can I get a job when employers tell me I have to have job experience first?

George Rebane

BradC 842am - Are you in agreement with Cappelli that employers make an unwarranted contribution to unemployment? I couldn't tell.

Please do not confuse internships and apprenticeships with the point that Cappelli seeks to make in his article. In good times of low unemployment and/or availability of talent, employers often train apprentices and interns. In times of high unemployment and tax/regulatory uncertainty, employers don't do that very much for reasons obvious to the Right, opaque to the Left.

Fred

Regulatory uncertainty? My, that sounds so risky. Pity the poor subsidized free marketeer...

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