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02 February 2012

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Todd Juvinall

Careful now George, we are not supposed to question this according to the left and the lamestream media.

What I find fascinating is that we all assume things in life, things like our birth certifiable being real, our passports and other legal documents, stuff we never give a second thought about. We also remember our friends, (and they remember us), girlfriends and grades from our years of youth. We can access hem anytime, I just did with Nevada Union and Sierra College and I am older than Obama. Yep, our life as an American is easily reviewed if their is no intent to deceive.

Russ Steele

More on citing Obama with contempt HERE. Refusal to follow subpoena 'no less than declaration of total dictatorial authority' What makes Obama above the law? He is not a King.

Paul Emery

Must be a slow news day George to revive this self basting gobbler.

Paul Emery

Russ

Did you place the same significance for process of law when Cheney refused to follow subpoena in this and many other actions

"Our attempts to obtain information through testimony of administration witnesses have been met with a consistent pattern of evasion and misdirection," Leahy said in his cover letters for the subpoenas. "There is no legitimate argument for withholding the requested materials from this committee."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/06/27/politics/main2988176.shtml

Can you explain to me the difference? Cheney above the law?

George Rebane

PaulE 921am - the difference is one of a debate between branches of government of what overreach is with regards to established executive privilege, and that of satisfying constitutional requirements for office in the face of new and compelling evidence that such requirements may not have been met. It is instructive to read the reported court proceedings.

Ryan Mount

This whole obsession, and it is an obsession, with Obama's birth place is quite quixotic given they other issues on our agenda. And although his qualifications for the Presidency does occupy a small space in my cavernous skull (disclaimer: I did not vote for him, and I have no plans to vote for him again and his faux populist progressivism), in terms of my priorities this topic is firmly lodged between the task of cleaning my finger nails and meandering thoughts of why my lower intestine is cramping after eating that burrito supreme the previous night.

In my mind this issue is just red meat for very hungry American conservatives. Can't say I blame them when you've got the prospect of Romney or Gingrich in the pipeline.

Do you think these (both the birther thang and this arguable contempt for the courts) issues will come into play during this election cycle? And by Whom? And if yes, what impact will it have?

Douglas Keachie

One more chance for the diaper challenged right to get a fresh one.

Diaper

Douglas Keachie

$10 to the first five takers who think Obama's papers will be found by this excuse for a court to be insufficient for office and that he will be removed from office, after it goes to the Supreme Court, and they agree. This is an easy five free lunches for me.

George Rebane

I notice that the criticisms here continue to denigrate the investigators, and totally ignore the material items of evidence presented. The make-up of the investigators and their agendas should be of less interest to us than the evidence they present, point to, and argue. I wonder why no one wants to just step forward, show why the evidence should be discounted, and put the matter to rest. Why keep this pot boiling if its so easy to reasonably dismiss it?

Douglas Keachie

Why bother looking at the "evidence." Because there is no point. If it was any good, you'd have it plastered here, and you'd pick up an easy ten spot from me. So far, no takers. This is all just one more drag the completely worn out effigy around the muddy town square, one more time, to know useful avail. It is nothing more than an attempt to defame and denigrate Obama's perfectly fine character, education, and his birthplace, Hawaii.

It was "reasonably dismissed" many times already, and I've put $50 on the line to say so. How say you all?

Gregory

George, I suspect we'll learn lots about the Obamas after he leaves office.

Paul, the difference is that under the Constitution, states have a right to determine rules for their selection of Electors.

Doug, Ritalin might help.

Douglas Keachie

Gregory | 02 February 2012 at 11:09 AM

Duly noted and recorded.

Nobody is willing to back up their bad mouthings of Obama with @10, now are they? Says a lot about what they really believe.

George Rebane

DougK 1106am - The elements of evidence have been "plastered" on RR for the last three years plus. And this piece contains a link to the evidence that is being considered in the Georgia case. The 'reasonable dismissals' you cite have appealed to no deeper reason than you give here.

His citizenship qualifications aside, this is the most opaque president the country has ever had, as has been documented by uncounted correspondents and commentators. His records and relationships are assiduously kept secrets that even his backers don't deny - as do you, they just respond that "there is no point" in revealing any of it.

As to the success of any of these inquiries, I don't give them much chance. The lamestream has its walking papers and has delivered its summary judgment for all to see - as with climate change, no more consideration of evidence is required, that case is also closed. And it is closed so tightly that even Republican politicians (our Tom McClintock included) don't want to touch the issue, even to the point of discounting the evidence - it's a black hole and so it shall remain.

Todd Juvinall

I see PaulE is back to his, "never answer the question and change the target" discussion strategy (blame Bush/Cheney again?). Gregory and George have answered the question. PaulE, hey, who was the guy on the grassy knoll? You have supported that fantasy yet you disbelieve the possibility a person who is President might have questionable documents. Amazing.

Ryan Mount misses the the issue by a mile. If the Constitution is dismissed so easily as you have, why would we care what the other issues you describe as more important be important? Another amazing.

Douglas Keachie

So, you are set up to keep on yammering for years, on the grounds that the "good evidence" will be tossed because the of the corrupt system? Then there is no reasoning with you. How about a "bullet list," of the "evidence," like the one the AA did the other day?

Douglas Keachie

Oh, and if solid and irroconvertable proof is offered, and he does step down, does that mean we fired everyone in the FBI and other agencies that had anything to do with vetting him, as well as Senator Mccain, for deriliction of duty?

Douglas Keachie

"George, I suspect we'll learn lots about the Obamas after he leaves office. "

Gee, isn't five years a bit long to wait and get this sorted out?

Ryan Mount

OK. I actually forced myself to read that National Patriot article. I've more enjoyable experiences putting out flaming bags of dog poo on my front porch. (Don't ask, my enemies are numerous). And then I had to familiarize myself with Minor vs Happersett (1875). Thanks George for the extra reading. Not. And after reading that decision, it made stepping on flaming poo (or reading Mr. Andresen prose) seem like a fun-filled family past time. The M v. H decision is up there with other horrible disgusting SCOTUS decisions such as Dred Scott. Note the plaintiffs are using M v. H as the basis of their argument.

But all of this is becoming crystal clear: Conservatives do not like the 14th Amendment. They never have and they still don't and will avoid or downplay it at every opportunity. That's what's at issue here in this Georgia gig; because Obama's Father was not a citizen, Obama is ineligible according to the M v. H judgement. Regardless of whether Obama was actually born here is irrelevant. Of course this wholesale contradicts the 14th Amendment. Read up on this here (again, thanks George for the extra reading time. I think):

http://www.archive.org/stream/citizenshipunit01goog#page/n53/mode/2up/search/happersett

George Wrote: Why keep this pot boiling if its so easy to reasonably dismiss it?

Welp, to quote Yeats it's probably "[t]o keep a drowsy Emperor awake". It is possible that all of this is frivolous and forms some kind of entertaining political grandstanding. It's really hard to see through the politicking to the evidence. I know that's no excuse for avoiding the evidence, but my guess is that nothing will come of any of this.

But to answer your question directly, perhaps the administration thinks that to answer this charges is to dignify them and give them credence during an election year. So the answer is obvious: stall and make your enemies look like whack jobs, which frankly isn't too hard in today's circus.

Douglas Keachie

spel chuckler is broken? Yup, wonder what caused that? reboot time.

Brad Croul

Is Georgia the only state with the requirement that both parents be US citizens? Backwoods is as backwoods does, I guess.
This "trial", along with recent comments by "butt stupid" legislators in other southern states, is a good example of why the Fed needs to be in charge of the important stuff, not the states.
Exit question for Georgia legislators: Is is OK for parents of a presidential wannabe to be siblings?

Douglas Keachie

From Jay Bookman, of the Atlanta Constitution, on the effects of today's courtroom non-events: "At any rate, the final decision is Kemp's. Regardless of what Malihi recommends, Kemp does not want to become the Republican secretary of state who ruled Barack Obama off the ballot in Georgia. Becoming a birther hero would not begin to compensate for the lasting infamy such a step would bring him, especially because such a ruling would be challenged in state or federal court and almost immediately overturned on any number of reasons. Kemp would then look like a fool and put an end to any further political ambitions he might have. I doubt that’s the course he will choose to take."

billy T

Obama's place of birth? Heck, I would like to find out what his grades were at tiny Occidental College in La. Or just what courses he took. I have two cousins that attended Occidental and had a high school track teammate that was recruited by Oxy (for his brains). Anybody know his grades at Columbia or what classes he took or if he had any friends or roommates. If we can't get out hands on this, what makes you think we can know what happened when he was born? Obama did talk about his college experiences in his books, but this has proven fruitless to verify as the records are under a mysterious lock and key. Heck, we know that George W Bush had a higher GPA than Kerry or Algore, but not our first post racial President. Yale did not lock up W's records. A mystery I tell ya, its a bloody mystery. We even know Algore's rommates. Oh, no use pounding one's head against the wall.

Douglas Keachie

He was smart enough to get himself elected President of the United States, and 160 million other Americans with the right age qualifications all had a chance to beat him, but he won. Many of those folks had 4.0's and 800's on their SATs and GRE's and played sports and music, but he won. In the other thread a lot was made of OTJT and people who for example took a slide rule and taught themselves hydraulic engineering. None of them made President, but he won.

He did not come from a monied family, but he won. So no matter whatever else you can say about him, remember he beat you out for the top job in the nation. He won.

If you want to call, insinuate, hint at etc., that he is stupid, then take a look in the mirror and figure out what you're going to call your "unable-to-beat-him" self. A real loser?

Thanks for the inspiration for this piece, Bill!

Michael Kingman

DO NOT CENSOR THIS POSTING!!! THANKS!! THERE IS NOTHING IN THIS POST THAT WOULD JUSTIFY CENSORING IT!!

The issue is quite simple. To be President of the USA or to run for the Presidency of the USA, Obama must be a "natural born citizen" according to the Constitution of the USA. The term "natural born citizen" has been defined previously and it requires two conditions:
1) Obama must be born in the USA.
Obama's long form birth certificate that Obama has provided through the White House web site HAS BEEN DECLARED BY MANY EXPERTS TO BE SIMPLY A FORGERY!!!

---Just a few links on the forged birth certificate that Obama released through the White House web site for those interested:
--"Obama Birth Certificate Faked In Adobe Illustrator - Official Proof 1 ( Layers )" at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s9StxsFllY
--"Obama Birth Certificate Scam? 2011-04-27 Obama.mp4" at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eOfYwYyS_c
--"Adobe book editor positive: Obama certificate is phony" at http://www.wnd.com/2011/06/316749/
--"Experts: Registrar stamps confirm Obama forgery" at http://www.wnd.com/2011/07/324153/
--See evidence that Obama forged the birth certificate that was posted on the White House servers on 27 April 2011 (!!) at http://www.scribd.com/collections/3166684
--See evidence that Obama is using a Social Security Number (SSN) 042-68-4425 that was not legally issued to him but to someone else born in 1890 (!!) at http://www.scribd.com/collections/3260742
---Just type the keywords Obama birth certificate forged in www.google.com and you will find many articles that thoroughly explain why the Obama long form birth certificate that he provided on the White House web site is simply a forgery!!!
---Do a search in www.youtube.com by typing the keywords Obama birth certificate fake and you will see videos demonstrating why the Obama birth certificate that he provided on the White House web site is a forgery!!!

---Therefore, the only way to check this long form birth certificate is to go to Hawaii to check it directly. In particular, it is indispensable to assess if even this original long form birth certificate in Hawaii is truly genuine that is if it is not also already (!!!) a forgery to cover up for the possible fact that Obama might never have been born in Hawaii!!!

2) Obama's parents MUST BOTH be American citizens.
We know that Obama's father was a Kenyan and that he NEVER was an American citizen!!!!!
Therefore, THIS SECOND CONDITION ALONE DISQUALIFIES OBAMA TO RUN FOR THE PRESIDENCY OF THE USA AND IT ALSO DISQUALIFIES OBAMA TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE USA, NO MATTER THE FACT THAT HE WON THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION!!!!!!

More, Obama is a former lawyer. Therefore, he knew perfectly well that he was not entitled to run for the Presidency of the USA but he nevertheless did it DISHONESTLY, FRAUDULENTLY, deceiving purposefully the entire American people.

Furthermore, Obama was confronted with the definition of what a "natural born citizen" is when he directly participated in the investigation of John McCain's eligibility to run for the Presidency of the USA. Obama then signed Senate Resolution 511 from April 30, 2008 that reveals the indispensable requirement of having two US citizen parents in order to be a "natural born citizen" according to the Constitution of the USA and therefore to be eligible to run for the Presidency of the USA or to be President of the USA!!!!!
Therefore, once again, Obama knew very well that he FRAUDULENTLY decided to run for the Presidency of the USA despite the fact that he knew perfectly well that he was NOT a natural born citizen and therefore that he was not entitled, according to the Constitution of the USA, to be President of the USA.

CONCLUSION:
---Obama is NOT a natural born citizen and therefore he is not entitled to run for the Presidency of the USA nor is he entitled to be President of the USA, no matter the fact that he won the Presidential election!!!!
---OBAMA REFUSED TO SHOW UP AT A GEORGIA COURT WHEN HE WAS SPECIFICALLY ASKED TO DO SO BY THE JUDGE SIMPLY BECAUSE HE WAS ASKED TO BRING SEVERAL DOCUMENTS THAT WOULD HAVE PROVED THAT OBAMA IS NOT ENTITLED TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE USA AND THAT HE COMMITTED SEVERAL FRAUDULENT ACTS THAT PROBABLY COULD BE SANCTIONNED BY A JAIL SENTENCE!!!
---Finally, Obama is a former lawyer and therefore OBAMA CONSCIOUSLY, INTENTIONALLY COMPLETELY DECEIVED THE ENTIRE AMERICAN PEOPLE BY RUNNING FOR THE PRESIDENCY OF THE USA WHEN HE KNEW PERFECTLY WELL THAT HE WAS NOT ENTITLED TO DO SO SIMPLY BECAUSE HE KNEW VERY WELL THAT HE WAS NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, AS THE CONSTITUTION OF THE USA REQUIRES ONLY ON THE PRESIDENT OF THE USA!!!!
---THIS HUGE DECEPTION BY OBAMA IS MORE THAN A FRAUDULENT ACT, IT IS WORSE THAN ANYTHING IMAGINABLE BECAUSE:
1) IT RELATES TO THE HIGHEST POSITION IN THE LAND, THE PRESIDENCY OF THE USA, THAT OBAMA HAS FRAUDULENTLY OBTAINED;
2) IT RELATES TO THE CONSTITUTION OF THE USA BEING TRAMPLED UPON FRAUDULENTLY AND ILLEGALLY BY OBAMA;
3) IT RELATES TO THE FACT THAT OBAMA INTENTIONALLY DECEIVED AND MISLED THE ENTIRE AMERICAN PEOPLE!!!
ANY PERSON GUILTY OF SUCH SERIOUS FRAUD SHOULD AT LEAST GET A JAIL SENTENCE, NO MATTER THAT OBAMA HAS FRAUDULENTLY HELD THE POSITION OF PRESIDENT OF THE USA FOR A PERIOD OF TIME!!!

DEFINITION OF A "NATURAL BORN CITIZEN":
If you really want to have an expert legal explanation on what a "natural born citizen" truly is according to the Constitution of the USA and why legally speaking it is this way, then I suggest that you read at least a few articles on Attorney Mario Apuzzo's web site "Natural Born Citizen - A Place to Ask Questions and Get the Right Answers" at http://puzo1.blogspot.com/
IN PARTICULAR, MAKE SURE YOU READ:
---"The Natural Born Citizen Clause of Our U.S. Constitution Requires that Both of the Child’s Parents Be U.S. Citizens At the Time of Birth" at http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/09/natural-born-citizen-clause-requires.html

YES YOU CAN!!! YOU, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, YOU CAN FIGHT FOR THE TRUTH!!!
CONCRETELY, WHAT CAN YOU DO IN YOUR STATE TO GET JUSTICE AND TO PROTECT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE USA?
1) Contact your governor, your senator, your elected representatives, the attorney general and any appropriate officials and ask them to put in place a legal process to ensure that Obama is on the ballot of your state ONLY IF OBAMA HAS PROVIDED ALL THE DOCUMENTS THAT WERE ASKED BY THE PLAINTIFFS IN THE GEORGIA CASE AND THAT OBAMA HAS REFUSED TO PROVIDE.
More, PLAN TO ASK FULL DISCOVERY ON OBAMA'S LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE IN HAWAII AND ON OBAMA'S FRAUDULENT SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER THAT HE USES!!!
2) In case your state would not have appropriate laws to do what is indicated in point 1) just above, ask the appropriate officials in your state to create a law that will grant your state the same rights than the state of Georgia has to fully check a candidate BEFORE he is put on the ballot for any elections, in particular for the coming election for the position of President of the USA.
To conclude:
---IF THE STATE OF GEORGIA HAS A LAW TO FULLY CHECK CANDIDATES' ELIGIBILITY FOR THE POSITION BEFORE THEY ARE PUT ON THE BALLOT FOR VARIOUS ELECTIONS, SO CAN YOUR STATE TOO!!!
---YOUR ACTIONS LOCALLY IN YOUR STATE WILL ENSURE THAT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE USA IS FULLY RESPECTED AND THAT NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW!!!
---OBAMA SHOWED US THAT HE THINKS THAT HE IS ABOVE THE LAW, AS HE DEMONSTRATED BY NOT SHOWING UP IN COURT IN GEORGIA DESPITE BEING EXPRESSLY ASKED BY THE JUDGE TO BE PRESENT AND TO BRING DOCUMENTS THAT SURELY WOULD HAVE PROVED HIS LACK OF ELIGIBILITY TO BE ON THE BALLOT TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE USA, NOT TO MENTION THE HUGE DECEPTION AND LIES THAT OBAMA PERPETRATED AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
THEREFORE, YOU THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAS A LEGAL AND MORAL DUTY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE USA IS RESPECTED FULLY AND APPLIED FULLY TO ALL AMERICAN CITIZENS, ESPECIALLY TO OBAMA WHO BELIEVES THAT HE IS ABOVE THE LAW AS HE HAS RECENTLY DEMONSTRATED IN GEORGIA!!!

billy T

Doug, "me thinks" you need a new pair of glasses. Never would I argue Obama is stupid, or hint or insulate that proposition. He ran the Harvard Law Review for pete's sake. Already mentioned he went to Occidental College in LA, where you got to have brains to get in. All my cousins (3) are certified geniuses per the high IQ that runs in the family and two went to Occy. Columbia ain't for dummies either. Neither is Harvard. What I am hinting at, nay, plainly and clearing sayings is this man, our President, is surrounded in a cloak of mystery concerning his transcripts. Wouldn't you like to sit down with one of his former professors and chat about if he had any idea a future President was in his freshman class? I don't care about GPAs in and off itself. I don't care if he got booted out, dropped out, or excelled at Occidental. Heck, my first semester grades as a freshman in college where piss poor, living in the dorm with keggers Thursday thru Sunday. But, I did learn never to take a 8am class. To repeat, this man's background is devoid of known friends and records, such things that are common knowledge of previous Presidents as I pointed out.

Ryan Mount

Folks, please stop fighting. It is a little odd how little we know about him around his schooling. I'm not sure it matters because it's not gonna change a single partisan mind. His enemies seem to be looking for more leverage against him, as if they're looking for some undergrad courses entitled "Practical Marxism" or "Central American Liberation History" or "Post-Modern Community Organizing for Urban Landless Workers" or "Managing Large Crowds with Patronizing Rhetorical Techniques."

I need to revise my above statement. In order of preference:

flaming bag of porch poo > Mr. Andresen's prose > reviewing the despicable Minor vs Happersett (1875) > reading any ALL CAPS RANT POSTED FROM A HAND-BUILT MONTANA CABIN > Fresno (no one like Fresno)

Paul Emery

This is nothing more that a small town legal harassment that Obama need not respond to. Even the conservative National Review accepts the legitimacy Obaqma's long form birth certificate. Again, the whole issue is a self basting gobbler that's a little stale.

From the National Review

"What’s plausible is that somewhere along the way — from the scanning device to the PDF-creation software, both of which can perform OCR (optical character recognition) — these partial/pseudo-text images were created and saved. What’s not plausible is that the government spent all this time manufacturing Obama’s birth certificate only to commit the laughably rookie mistake of exporting the layers from Photoshop, or whatever photo editing software they are meant to have used. It’s likely that whoever scanned the birth certificate in Hawaii forgot to turn off the OCR setting on the scanner. Let’s leave it at that.

UPDATE: I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home."

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/265767/pdf-layers-obamas-birth-certificate-nathan-goulding

Douglas Keachie

Billy T, then what possible use would the information you are so earnest about provide you? Is the man his grades in college, or the person he is now?

Has it not occurred to you that there are people who go through college without forming large groups of friends? It is entirely possible that you are looking for what isn't there to find. Frankly, from high school and college, I formed not more than 10 to 12 close friends, at least by my sense of the term.

One, a very successful educator in the international field, Bob Sills, is dead of heart failure. A second, Laurie Glass, an artist and mother, was driving home and on an overcrossing in the MacArthur maze, on a curve where there lights of the on-coming traffic blind you, and where nothing should be stopped, hit a an empty vehicle with no lights, turned sideways to the line of travel, that had 40 seconds before been abandoned by a drunken car thief. Died in the OR, RIP, Laurie. Chris Yip is still a prof at Cal Poly. Rodger Egan made his fortune in Mendocino real estate. Jon Wolford, son of an architect, was a juvenile delinquent, got into glass blowing, and created a nice lamp for his first wife, who was business savvy. They are both successful, and he is into horses now, last I talked with him. Vince I've lost track of. John Roventini died of a heroin overdose, being from New York. A dancer named LeBallister went on to be a prof, we are still friends having relocated one another after 40 years via the web and Facebook. Karn {( no last name used by request) and I are also in contact via Facebook and one very nice lunch about ten years ago. She worked for IBM and spends time in several homes around the planet, and loves photography as I do. The only one I know of who is not in contact was the poor kid on the block. I never thought of him that way, but he developed quite a chip on his shoulder, apparently, and went in to Tax law to be sure to be rich. At the time, I was not focused on earning cash, but rather more so on anthro research and saving the planet and the war on poverty. He apparently wants no contact, and his father told me years ago his son has developed a serious drinking problem. For obvious reasons, I'm not naming him here. Dave is a successful chemist with numerous patents, and Gorden, son of a longshoreman, got a degree in English, but made his money designing and building motorized wheelchairs.

So there you have it. No fraternities, no sororities, the illustrator David Goines did write once about the punch card caper, but we really didn't know one another.

George Rebane

PaulE 907am - Georgia's main case here was ascertaining Obama's claim to be a "natural born citizen", which requires proof that both parents were American citizens at the time of his birth.

Douglas Keachie

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

Anyone born inside the United States *
Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

Has Congress voted on Obama's birth information?

A congressional resolution introduced by Rep. Neil Abercrombie, D-Hawaii, to commemorate the 50th anniversary of island statehood was delayed Monday.

The resolution includes a clause noting Obama's Hawaiian birthplace. The line "Whereas the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961" appeared to be construed by birthers as a thinly veiled attempt to get Congress to affirm Obama's U.S. citizenship, said Dave Helfert, an Abercrombie spokesman.

As the issue came to a vote Monday, Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., rose to object, saying there was not a quorum present. The House later voted 378-0 to approve the resolution. Bachmann voted in favor of the resolution.

Birthers denounce the notion that Obama was born in Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961, despite court rulings and statements by Fukino, a hospital administrator, and Hawaii's Republican governor, Linda Lingle.

When did Hawaii become a state?
Alaska became the 49th state on January 3, 1959, only seven months before Hawaii became the 50th state. August 21, 1959.

When was Obama born?

Barack Hussein Obama II was born August 4, 1961 and is the 44th and current President of the United States. Not even his conception occurred before Hawaii became a state.

Final question, how many of your high school, college, and university records, including birth certificates, are still available as paper originals?

I know for a fact that my birth certificate is not! San Francisco went first to microfilm, and now to digital copies of the microfilm. I went to the records department and got a copy and inquired. Let the first person who says their documents are still on the paper originals stand up and say what and where. As for the rest of you.....

Douglas Keachie

Your posting system refused to take a link from google books. I tried at least six times. Eliminating that link seems to have made the piece acceptable now.

Douglas Keachie

"Georgia's main case here was ascertaining Obama's claim to be a "natural born citizen", which requires proof that both parents were American citizens at the time of his birth."

Exactly where nd under what authority is this statement true? Is this a law passed by the Congress of the United States and signed by a President?

If not, then why are you promoting it?

Paul Emery

So the question has changed. Either way it is settled law according to the Congressional Research Service that Obama is a Natural Born Citizen.

"There is no provision in the Constitution and no controlling American case law to support a contention that the citizenship of one s parents governs the eligibility of a native born U.S. citizen to be President."

Orly Taltz, who is leading the legal attacks and is not even from Georga is a major nut case who believes among other things that Osama bin Laden was killed years ago, with his body kept on ice, and the announcement of his death was timed to divert attention from an upcoming court case she is litigating challenging Obama's citizenship.

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=21226

I'm frankly surprised you would take her seriously


This is a shot in the dark that Georgia citizens won't take seriously since pursuit would be an embarrassment.

Douglas Keachie

BTW, go ahead and leave Obama off the Georgia ballot. He'll still beat the pants off of the Republican chioce, be it Romney, Gingrich, or any other.

Paul Emery

Mitt Romney's father was born in Mexico and Rick Santorum's father was born in Italy.

No one has filed a complaint about their eligibility.

Douglas Keachie

Well George, the case you mentioned is about women's voting rights, and only in passing mentions:

"The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient for everything we have now to consider that all children born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction are themselves citizens. The words "all children" are certainly as comprehensive, when used in this connection, as "all persons," and if females are included in the last they must be in the first. That they are included in the last is not denied. In fact the whole argument of the plaintiffs proceeds upon that idea. "

It does not rule that only kids of citizens are parents. It instead states that there is: "all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first." There might be "doubts" but there is no ruling here that such born in the USA kids are NOT citizens. This information is simply background material for the rest of the case, and they clear it up pretty quickly, as both the parents of the prospective female voter were citizens. Sufferage of course didn't come until years later.

Here is the whole case: http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/minorvhapp.html

George Rebane

PaulE 1203pm - I guess this debate is still in a fog. No one has invalidated a candidate based on where his parents were born, only whether they were American citizens when the candidate was born. This is the subject of the current debate, and your comment attests to its complexity.

Douglas Keachie

The critical statement which will be used to toss out Oztiz's fantasy case is: "For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts."

Time to paint another Delphinapterus Leucas on the side of my vessel.

Douglas Keachie

No fog whatsoever, except for Anthropogenic (Tea Party Race) Fog.

Paul Emery

Appareantly Rick Santorum's father was born in Italy and was not a citizens at the time of his birth.

Douglas Keachie

In terms of priorities, this whole "debate" is much like monks during an outbreak of plague, discussing how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

George Rebane

PaulE 1245pm - IMHO Santorum's eligibility should be treated the same as Obama's.

Dixon Cruickshank

The issue is not what George or anybody else thinks - they asked for it to be thrown out BUT for some legal reason it was not. They then just said FU, so Georgia law is the issue and its pretty plain if you bother to read it and it doesn't include FU as the means to verify elegablilty, simple as that.
I'm not even sure they are looking at the both parents issue - the BC and SS# may be sufficent, although I don't think the Obama people want to go there either - not sure FU will work though.

Gregory

An interesting sideshow, but there's not much chance Obama would win Georgia anyway. He lost by 5% last time; there's nothing to be lost by them remaining on the sidelines, unless something ignites. Chance of that happening probably goes down by ignoring it all rather than actually answer questions and chance giving the birthers some ammunition.

Douglas Keachie

The birthers cannons all melted away with the House vote, maybe they could make IED's, which suitably indicates their role in this country.

Douglas Keachie

Now that Obama has mixed religion and politics at the National Prayer Breakfast, the Republicans want to impeach him, I suspect:

"Yesterday, during the National Prayer Breakfast, President Obama cited a passage from the Book of Luke to support his view that the well-off should be expected to contribute more:

And when I talk about shared responsibility, it’s because I genuinely believe that in a time when many folks are struggling, at a time when we have enormous deficits, it’s hard for me to ask seniors on a fixed income, or young people with student loans, or middle-class families who can barely pay the bills to shoulder the burden alone. And I think to myself, if I’m willing to give something up as somebody who’s been extraordinarily blessed, and give up some of the tax breaks that I enjoy, I actually think that’s going to make economic sense.

But for me as a Christian, it also coincides with Jesus’s teaching that “for unto whom much is given, much shall be required.”

And now right-wing leaders and Republicans are outraged, with Sen. Orrin Hatch lashing out about it on the Senate floor and Rep. Phil Gingrey walking out in protest while Ralph Reed, of all people, is saying that Obama went "over the line":

Ralph Reed of the Faith and Freedom Coalition said that for the president to tie his tax policy to Jesus’s teachings “is theologically threadbare and straining credulity.”

“I felt like it was over the line and not the best use of the forum,” Reed said. “It showed insufficient level of respect for what the office of the president has historically brought to that moment.”
"

from ~right wing watch ~

Douglas Keachie

If the Florida governor refuses to pee in a cup, why should Obama have to turn over anything?

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/02/03/when-asked-by-the-daily-show-florida-gov-rick-scott-refused-to-pee-in-a-cup/

How do we know for sure he is drug free? After all he is accepting government money.

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