RL ‘Bob’ Crabb posted ‘Inept vs Insane: The National Feud’ on his blog which by its title alone invited a heated discussion in its comment stream. I put in my two cents and started a thread that had Bob worrying that people would “put holes in (his) new blog”. Points were raised and questions put that are best answered on RR, which already has enough holes in it so that a few more here and there won’t matter.
Bob’s main point seemed to be that the polarized politics of the country have very little basis in reason, and therefore if people just cooled their rhetoric, they could find a nice middle way and all would be well for the country. He couldn’t see that much difference between the two sides. Well, I have spent the last five years on RR trying to substantiate the proposition that there is a huge difference between free market capitalism and collectivism in all its forms, many of which are clearly on the rise for reasons discussed in these pages. Anyway, I commented –
“The main difference I see in the contending sides is that one says, your way won’t work because it will put all of us in a poorhouse surrounded by barbed wire; therefore let us go do our thing, and you can do your thing. The other side says your way is unfair, and you have to stay and pay us to make our way work (and we’ll use the barbed wire if we have to).”
Michael Anderson, somewhat incredulously, asked “George, what’s/who’s stopping you from creating a new country where you can “do your thing” within the border of the USA?”
Gregory Zaller, a new voice from the left, replied, “I don’t know, George. The truth goes the other way you intended more readily. The far right are the intrusive ones who will jail those they find morally different and who want less government so they can develop more schemes to exploit people.”
GregZ’s “I don’t know …” was the only correct part of his comment, as several following commenters from the right attempted to inform him. GregZ’s perception is iconic of the left and the prime reason for the Great Divide debate. Only class warfare collectivists have put in place and operated regimes which removed individual liberties, jailed their opponents by the millions, and killed them by even greater numbers. But their view of history is so different that the dialogue ends before it can start.
Piling on incredulity, MichaelA comes back with the claim that not only didn’t I answer his question, but that even my “proposition was dishonest”. Then taking a tack way to the left, he attempts to point out the weakness of conservative propositions in general by focusing on healthcare, and claiming that the right has no solution that beats going to nationalized healthcare via the rosy road of Obamacare. That argument had enough leaps, turns, and twists in it to put shame to some of the best Cirque de Soleil routines. It was definitely time to come back to RR.
Adopting the established argumentation of the mainstream left, MichaelA completely ignores the sustainability and level of care problems under which EVERY nationalized healthcare system today in the world suffers. As new evidence emerges daily about implementing Obamacare, it is clear that if you thought healthcare costs and levels of care were out of control now, you ain’t seen nothing until that monstrosity fully kicks in. Yet progressives like MichaelA want to go toward certain disaster (added to the already dire fiscal condition of the nation) instead of even giving the conservative proposals another look.
Actually, it’s worse than that. The leftwingers have not even given the conservative healthcare proposals a first look because these require drastic overhaul of our tort laws, tax code, and the elimination of a number of holy collectivist cows. For liberals it’s nationalized healthcare or the gulag since, as I continue to point out, for us the highway apparently is out.
But pushing Obamacare is just one of many rocks on the road to recovery that this administration has laid down, and will continue to pile up in spades once they get re-elected. And to be sure, it is again the apparatchiks of the left who are preparing the usual draconian response to the inevitable and massive civil disobedience when it comes.
If we appeal to Occam’s razor for the simplest explanation and one that has the most predictive power, then ‘It’s global governance, stupid!’ and Agenda21 is the way.
[Today’s headlines - ‘Payrolls Rise by 69,000; Jobless Rate up to 8,2%’ - continue to corroborate the thesis that we are in Depression2. And predictably the economists and analysts were again “surprised” by these “unexpected numbers”.]