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« President Obama defeats Mitt Romney (edited) | Main | Beware the lame duck at midnight »

08 November 2012

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Bob Hobert

I wonder what/who they will blame now.

Russ Steele

Katy Grims writing at the CalWatchDog has some insight HERE.

Democrat view

Steve Maviglio, a seasoned Democtatic stratigist who has worked for former Gov. Gray Davis and former Assembly Speaker Fabian Núñez, said to expect not much will change. But he was very happy with the results.

A Democratic supermajority in the California Legislature is 54 Democrats in the 80-member Assembly; and 27 Democrats in the 40-member Senate. It renders the minority party almost irrelevant. And a supermajority can override the governor’s veto.

Maviglio said that Assembly Democrats did not expect to win a supermajority this election, but it was expected in the Senate. He added that California’s recent redistricting may have played a role.

This majority win caught many people off guard in the state.

But even within the Democratic Party, there are smaller blocks of groups, Maviglio explained. The Latino Caucus and the Black Caucus are two of the more influential Democratic caucuses that haven’t always agreed with party leadership on issues.

Maviglio also said he expected to see more of the moderates from each party work together more often on contentious issues.

George Rebane

RussS 405pm - Nice sentiments about moderation and all that. But I'll believe those rock apes reaching across the aisle on "contentious issues" after they demonstrate that accomplishment. From here on the Republicans will be firing blanks on issues they want to contend; what are their negotiables. Maviglio is blowing old smoke as a cover for what's to come.

Scott Obermuller

re: 'I wonder what/who they will blame now.' Same as always - some one else! They'll start with Bush and then the Koch brothers. After that maybe the Tea Party and finally white racists. The press and the LSN media will fall in line and repeat word for word what ever the Dems claim is the problem. In the end, it'll be the Jews and the banks and then the box cars will roll. The fascists always have to find some one else to blame. History does have a way of repeating itself. As they say after serving your food - 'Enjoy!'

Jeff Pelline

You guys hate California so much, why don't you move to a state that better reflects your extreme views? The voters in California have expressed their views. It must be stressful for you to live here.

Russ Steele

George@05:34

I agree. Ellen asked why all of sudden are the Democrats on the left seeking all this cooperation from the Republicans if they have the majority. My answer, they still need someone to blame when crap happens. They are just setting up the Republican to blame. Even thought they have the majority, they still need some one or some organization to blame, it is never their fault when things turn into crap.

Todd Juvinall

So the purple man thinks the right bloggers are extreme while his buds have a super majority and can do anything they want. I think Mr. purple is a loon regarding logic. He is better off in SF.

Steve Wynn

Face it guys.... California is the bell-weather for the direction that this country is going.

No more of these angry old white guys running this country as the election showed that the time for change is now, as in 2 more Presidental elections (at the current pace) the Republican party will consider it a gift to win the election for dog catcher.

The Republican leadership better learn from the recent election otherwise the only thing that will be happening is crying about how they represent the true American;s while the actual true voting American will throw the old white guys views in the kamode!

D. King

"...while the actual true voting American will throw the old white guys views in the kamode!"

Why the hate for old white guys Steve Wynn?

D. King

Jeff Pelline | 08 November 2012 at 07:03 PM

Jeff,

You and the Steve Wynn guy have me worried. You may want to seek some help!

Jesus Betterman

I'm glad to see that al the folks who called the election for Romney so well are now predicting gloom and doom for the state. That bides well for the rest of us.

D. King

Boy, talk about old white guys! Who gave Kharis, (Jerry Brown), Tana leaves?

http://anubis4_2000.tripod.com/Kharis/pages1/legend.htm

George Rebane

It is a bit humorous that the new progressive elements who will replace the old white guys haven't figured out how to create the wealth to support their socialism. If they move as requested, the socialists will run out of other people's money sooner because all they know how to do is tax the rich.

Scott Obermuller

Who's angry? It 's always the left that are out burning buildings and trashing cars and looting and saying how angry they are. The further left the govt goes, the angrier the left get. Now the left have total control of the state govt and the first thing they get pissed about is that the R's won't cooperate.
BTW FUE, I don't hate California, I'm just so sorry to see it sink into a morass.
And Doug - we conservatives have been proven completely correct as to the dismal state of California. Our unemployment is far above the other larger states, we are constantly in debt. Cities are going bankrupt. Conservatives predicted all of that and it's now happening. The gloom and doom is here. Maybe you should talk to some retired Stockton city employees. Tell them how wonderful everything is.

D. King

Windmills and solar panels George, then tax the crap out of energy. Yeah, that's the ticket!

I have found their thought process George; it is here:

http://flamesnation.ca/uploads/Image/wandering-in-desert.jpg

D. King


Well, the left really won this one!
Boeing announces layoffs in defense division

Boeing has announced a major restructuring of its defense division. Along with the announcement came news that the firm will cut 30 percent of management jobs from 2010 levels. The company will also close facilities in California and consolidate several business units to cut costs.

http://suyts.wordpress.com/2012/11/08/the-layoffs-we-voted-for/

D. King

We're saved!

http://landing.newsinc.com/shared/video.html?freewheel=90119&sitesection=theblaze&VID=23881959

:)

MikeL

D. King 1:06AM

Thanks for that video. Like ya know, women issues are so important, like. Like I'm for making like mandatory suicide and gay marriage equal like.

earlcrabb

While it may be the cantankerous old white men who are complaining now, it will be the young 'uns who will be marching in the streets in the future. It's Jeff's son who will bear the brunt of the new realignment after we're dead and gone. He'll no doubt get a good education and a good job somewhere, but most of his earnings will go to support his new "family" and the trillions in debt we leave behind.

JeffPelline@mac.com

George, Earl et al,
I'm glad you've acknowledged this "old white man" thing. You just left out the word "angry."
Our family (including our son) is confident of our nation's future. We love our country and will work hard to help make it succeed. In fact, we have done that our whole lives: creating wealth, helping to create a new business or two, helping to take care of our parents in their declining years (we were the "caregivers"), donating money to nonprofit causes, etc.
To us, America is the same melting pot that it was when it accepted "naturalized" citizens such as George; honored veterans who post here with low-interest VA loans from Uncle Sam; tolerated the youthful foibles of Earl (which I suspect gobbled up some taxpayer funds with "unintended consequences"), even tolerated mean-spirited people such as Todd Juvinal (and helped him out with what allegedly was a foreclosed "spec" home).
We're OK with the melting pot thing. And we accept the concept of "leverage." In fact, America, as Mikey D should know, was BUILT on leverage.
There's no doubt we will have to work together to reduce our deficits — and will.
It's going to be a real challenge, though, if you refuse to generate any revenue while you're cutting costs (and creating costs from unemployment) and cutting into the profits of companies who depend on government contracts (like Cisco).
It's going to be a long, slow, painful process. And I applaud Jerry Brown — of all people — for tackling it with the "prudence of joseph." Come to think of it, Jerry is an "old, white man" too. But he's not angry.

George Rebane

The notions of hate and anger when characterizing opposition to the insane policies of collectivism are off the mark and remind me of the 'small' tactics used by Team Obama in the just ended campaign.

Collectivism as the basis for governance has never been stable in any of its forms. As it bankrupts the people who adopt it, it also compels them to eventually convert their idealistic democracy into calcifying forms of autocracies that end in tyranny with governments killing millions of their own citizens.

I don't recall too many people marched to the wall by those who hold dear the principles of our Founders as summarized in the Bastiat Triangle. The opposite cannot be said for those whose ideologies violate those principles.

Todd Juvinall

Pelline, Mao, etal,

We are not angry, we are disappointed. America has squandered its place on the planet as the last best hope and is now morphing into France. As a person who does not like snails or red wine, this is an unacceptable move. So, all you silver spooners, the purple folks and his minions, can rest assured your little stash of money hidden somewhere in the Caymans will be the next target. I'll laugh my toosh off when you go to get the money and find it went to a Chicago Community Organizer who then distributes it to a single woman for her condoms. What a hoot!

Ryan Mount

What's wrong with anger? Anger is good. Anger is simply a call for change. Perhaps we mean "rage" which is an entirely different and destructive emotion. I see no evidence of rage anywhere.

The only problem with anger, are the people who don't know how to deal with it. And, as your career councilor (I'm not really one, but I play one on TV), I would recommend not taking a job in customer service of any type if one has trouble with anger.

earlcrabb

Jeff P. 6:52am - I'd like to know who in this comment stream doesn't love their country? Or added to the common cause? If we didn't care, we would be watching American Idol instead of beating the keyboards day after day. I have plenty of arguments with the right, but just as many with the left, and I intend to hold their feet to the fire. Let them prove me wrong.
I just don't see where a government dominated by union bosses and attorneys is any better than one dominated by corporations and Mr. Burns.

Steve Enos

The below story link provides the basics about what has happened to the R's and where they are headed with out real change. Condi Rice gets it as do a lot of other R's like Mike Murphy.

A number of very experienced and thinking R's are saying the R's... "need to attract more people than grumpy old white guys.” This isn't the D's or the left saying this, it's smart folks on the right saying "grumpy old white guys".

Mike Murphy is no lib, D shill. He gets it and demograpics matter.

"Conservatives’ stance against immigration reform and gay marriage is “a recipe for extinction,” said analyst Mike Murphy, a one-time adviser to prominent Republicans including Arizona Senator John McCain, former Florida Governor Jeb Bush, former New Jersey Governor Christie, Todd Whitman and Romney, a former Massachusetts governor".

Mike Murphy said...“The question is whether or not we’re going to have an adult conversation inside the party about our need to attract more people than grumpy old white guys,” Murphy told MSNBC. “Demographically, our time is running out.”

Worth reading what some R's have to say on this matter:

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/11/09/gop-clearly-losing-important-segments-of-the-electorate-condoleezza-rice-says/

JeffPelline@mac.com

Well said Steve. My lovely wife, who is a registered "R," would sure agree with that!

Ryan Mount

It's not a recipe for extinction, no more than the Greens or whatever. It's a recipe for marginalization. But so what? If they want to ban abortion, then they need to stick to their guns, pardon the pun.

There is no reason to moderate their positions other than to become more Democratic-like. Why? So we can have two dominant parties that look exactly the same?

Oh wait...

Russ Steele

If only “angry white guys” vote for Republicans and we need to change our principles and our message to win more minority votes one has to ask, how come Tom McClintock a hard core conservative got 61% of the vote for his reelection in 2010 and 2012. Do only “angry white guys” live in his districts? No women, no Hispanics, no disaffected Democrats? Really?

Todd Juvinall

I read an article on RCP this morning and it was the comparison between 2004 Bush v Kerry and Tuesday. Bush won by 2.4 percent. There was no angst and gnashing of teeth telling the D's they needed to go get those "white guys". The similarities are amazing in the two races. So, I again say it is not a call to R's to become what the D's want us to be.

Ryan Mount

> The similarities are amazing in the two races.

Exactly. Swift Boat anyone? It's just that this time around, the Democrats got to play the incumbent, we're-gonna-be-the-nastier-ones-this-time game. Got rape? Got a GM/Chrysler job in a swing State?

> So, I again say it is not a call to R's to become what the D's want us to be

Exactly. Unless you want to be a Democrat, which then you should just join their party. Problem solved.

Please note two things:

1) I'm not apart of Todd's "us"
2) I am agreeing with Todd on two things.

Gregory

As perhaps the fattest man in Nevada County, Pelline has a real target on his back in this brave new world. Obesity will be the scapegoat for runaway costs in Obamacare, because there really won't be anything left standing, and there must be scapegoats. I'll be a target, too, but I can hide behind Jeff for the moment.

Last I looked, 49.6% of the country's voters voted against Obama, 49.3% if you toss out the Green vote that thought Obama/Biden wasn't far enough to the left. That isn't a mandate. Boehner has more R's in his caucus than before, and the Benghazi hearings behind closed doors in the House and Senate next week aren't likely to make his supporters in those bodies all that happy.

We live in interesting times.

Todd Juvinall

Ryan, you are a part of the "us", you are just a rebel. So was I.

Ryan Mount

> You are a part of the "us", you are just a rebel.

Oh crap. I swear I don't want to be a part of any club that would have me as a member.

Todd Juvinall

George, on your update today. Three democrat Senators were picketing with the union thugs against Raley's yesterday. Darrel Steinberg, Roger Dickinson and one other goon. The downside to the union victory is Raley's goes away, and their jobs too, and it will be back-filled by Walmarts, a non union shop. Ah those unintended consequences.

JeffPelline@mac.com

Gregory,
I venture to guess that your family has outspent mine in taxpayer-funded health care costs over the years. What a jerk.

Ken Jones

As neither an R nor a D, I must say the angst from the right is funny. This BS coming from the Rs that for years trashed Clinton. The same group that had “Impeach Obama” bumper stickers PRIOR to his inauguration in 2009. This coming from the party that defended Bush’s illegal war against a sovereign nation based on false premises. Both Rs and Ds own the debt and the dysfunction that has become our government. President Obama is hardly going to be the Satan, Socialist, Muslim, Serpent, Communist, Kenyan, whatever label du jour you prefer. I think both parties suck. The only difference is the level of suckage and that depends on where you fall within the bell curve. I don’t see the disaster of CA that the far right does. Maybe because the far right has tunnel vision and are myopic. The Rs have got to be more inclusive or they will eventually become moot. The Ds have to be more realistic and less Pollyanna. The world is dynamic, adapt or become extinct.

Gregory

Like most of your guesses, you'd probably be wrong, Jeff.

Let's settle the issue in an appropriate trial by combat. I hereby challenge you to a footrace from City Hall on NC's Broad Street down to the National, a standing barefoot start but with putting on shoes and socks first, without assistance. Shoes must be laced and tied; no velcro or slipons.

Do you feel lucky?

Russ Steele

Obama Elected and Unemployment Rate Jumps in December. Here is the list of companies that are laying off employees, or just closing up shop HERE.

Here some samples:

Energizer -
The St. Louis-based company said Thursday that it expects to shed about 1,500 employees. When finished, the restructuring should lead to $200 million in pretax yearly savings, Energizer said. It aims to have most of its restructuring steps finished by the end of September 2014.
 
• Exide Technologies -
Exide Technologies announced Thursday that it will be idling its lead-recycling operations in Laureldale and laying off 150 workers, effective no later than March 31.
 
• Westinghouse -
Westinghouse Anniston, the contractor responsible for shutting down Anniston’s chemical weapons incinerator, has reduced its workforce by another 50 employees.
 
• Research in Motion Limited -
Research in Motion Ltd., the maker of BlackBerry smartphones, laid off about 200 people at its U.S. headquarters in Irving on Wednesday, according to a source close to the company who did not want to be named.

• Lightyear Network Solutions -
More than one dozen employees at a Pikeville company lost their jobs this week. Officials with Lightyear Network Solutions said they are consolidating offices in Louisville and Pikeville to save money.
 
• Providence Journal -
The Providence Journal Co. laid off 23 full-time workers Wednesday as part of a cost-cutting effort, including 16 members of the Providence Newspaper Guild and 7 non-union employees.
 
• Hawker Beechcraft -
The company says 240 employees will lose their jobs with the closing of Hawker Beechcraft Services facilities in Little Rock, Ark.; Mesa, Ariz.; and San Antonio, Texas.
 
• Boeing (30% of their management staff) -
Boeing Co. said Wednesday it plans to employ 30% fewer executives at its Boeing Defense, Space & Security unit by the end of 2012 compared to 2010 levels.
 
• CVPH Medical Center -
CVPH Medical Center has handed pink slips to 17 employees. The layoffs — nine in management and eight hourly staffers — are part of an effort to “help bolster the hospital’s financial position in 2013 and beyond,” a press release said.
 
• US Cellular -
The move will result in 980 job cuts at U.S. Cellular, with 640 in the Chicago area, according to a spokeswoman. The cuts are slightly under 12 percent of the approximately 8,400 total employees U.S. Cellular had at the end of the third quarter.
 
• Momentive Performance Materials -
About 150 workers at Sistersville’s Momentive Performance Materials plant will be temporarily laid off later this month, officials said this week.
 
• Rocketdyne -
About 100 employees at Pratt & Whitney Rocketdyne, most of whom work in the San Fernando Valley, were laid off Wednesday in response to dwindling government spending on space exploration, the company said. The layoffs were effective immediately, and 75 percent of them came at the facilities on Canoga and De Soto avenues, which employ about 1,100 people. The company has six sites across the Valley.
 
• Brake Parts -
The leader of an automotive parts plant in Lincoln County has told state officials that there are plans to lay off 75 workers starting in late December…The layoffs are expected to start Dec. 28 and continue in the first quarter of 2013

• Vestas Wind Systems -
Vestas Wind Systems A/S (VWS) is seeking to sell a stake of as much as 20 percent and said it’s reducing headcount by 3,000 to raise the staff cuts by the biggest wind turbine maker to almost a third over two years.
 
• Husqvarna -
Husqvarna AB (HUSQB), the world’s biggest maker of powered garden tools, plans to cut about 600 jobs in a move that will save 220 million kronor ($33 million) a year by 2014.
 
• Center for Hospice New York -
The Center for Hospice and Palliative Care plans to temporarily lay off as many as 40 employees next year as it embarks on a major renovation of the inpatient unit at its Cheektowaga campus.
 
• Bristol-Meyers -
Bristol-Myers Squibb is following up its lackluster third-quarter results with almost 480 layoffs. As Pharmalot reports, the company notified the New Jersey government that it would scale back in Plainsboro, which means the cuts will hit its sales operations.
 
• OCE North America -
Trumbull printer- and scanning-equipment provider Oce North America, Inc. will lay off 135 workers in three Connecticut communities, including East Hartford, according to its notice with the state Labor Department.
 
• Darden Restaurants -
The company, which was among those who had received an Obamacare waiver in the past, is looking to limit workers to 28 hours per week. A full time employee that is required to have health insurance (lest the employer pay a fine) works 30 hours per week, as defined by the Obamacare law.
 
• West Ridge Mine -
In its statement, UtahAmerican Energy blames the Obama administration for instituting policies that will close down “204 American coal-fired power plants by 2014″ and for drastically reducing the market for coal.
 
• United Blood Services Gulf -
United Blood Services Gulf South region, the non-profit blood service provider for much of south Louisiana and Mississippi, will lay off approximately 10 percent of its workforce. It was a hard decision to make according to Susan Begnaud, Regional Center Director for the Gulf South region.

Election has consequences. Here are some of the economic consequences!

JeffPelline@mac.com

Gregory,
I know this has been a really tough week for you — from the Business Week cover mocking global warming deniers to the Elections — so I forgive you. I think I'll send you an unwanted magazine subscription to Business Week and Time! LOL.

Ken Jones

Russ
During the first three years of the Bush administration, the layoff rate reached 8.7 percent for workers over 20 years old, one of the highest rates on record, according to the New York Times.

The survey also recorded the highest layoff rate ever for long-tenured workers -- those who held their job for more than three years. Employers laid off 5.3 million, or 6.3 percent of all long-tenured workers between 2001 and 2003.

In the past, layoffs peaked during recessions and declined during economic booms; but a new survey by the Bureau of Labor Statistics shows that the layoff rate is increasing regardless of the state of the rest of the US economy.

"No one should be surprised by the increasing frequency of layoffs," James Glassman, senior US economist for the investment firm J. P. Morgan Chase, told the New York Times. "It is the echo of globalization. Companies are shifting production around more frequently to take advantage of low-cost centers."

Is Bush responsible for these layoffs any more than Obama for the ones you cited? Please.

Gregory

I didn't vote for Romney, Jeff. Sorry to burst your bubble, and I didn't post here until checking your echo chamber, and I found the cheap shot you posted against me there, giving me license to respond in kind. Tabloid Climatology in a tantrum by Bloomberg really doesn't sting, especially since there aren't any good and reputable meteorologists who agree with him.

I'd have responded there, but you edited my last post in your sandbox to make your point, not mine. So we have to chat here.

Jeff, if the waddle down to the National is too far for you, we can just make it from the City Hall steps to Cirinos, the third door down from City Hall. Can you handle that?

JeffPelline@mac.com

Gregory,
That cover made me think of you — in spades! I figured by now you'd be demanding the curriculum vitae of the editors, writers, even the printer. Thanks for the chuckle.

Gregory

Ken Jones, there are about 5 million fewer jobs in the USA compared to 4 years ago, and the recession that started at the end of the Clinton administration, triggered by the dot com crash on Clinton's watch, was slowly turning around until 9/11/2001 when the World Trade Centers collapsed, taking about a trillion dollars out of the US economy. That was what Bush II had to deal with in his first years. Not that Bush did an admirable job dealing with it, but the outcome was arguable better than what we've had after 4 years of Obama.

Is GTMO still in operation?

Russ Steele

KenJones@12:05

The Bush ira layoffs came over multiple years as businesses took advantage of personal productivity enabled by computer and Internet technology. The Obama jobs losses were the direct result ObamaCare costs and those layoffs came with in days of his re-election, not over years. We can expect more layoffs as businesses seek to do more with fewer people. They do not have to pay health care cost on machines and robots. Cloud technology, broadband and AI technology will continue to reduce the workforce, regardless of who is in the White House. However, in this case these businesses were very clear why they were laying off people, they had to reduce the cost of doing business to pay the coming taxes and health care costs. Boeing depart California, again to reduce the tax burden on the company.

This is just the tip of the iceberg there will be more layoffs in the coming weeks, more companies will be moving off shore where they can find cheaper labor, and more reliable low cost power. We are headed for another recession and the starting point will be the most recent election. Stay Tuned!

JesusBetterman

So Raley's closes it's doors, and all the folks in GV/NC who shopped there suddenly no longer need food? What a concept! Nope, it simply means other stores will be hiring more folks, and some company will buy up the fixtures and the lease, and start a new store. That is the life cycle of a business, and the great invisible hand of capitalism moving towards owners who will probably have a bit more respect for their employees. What's not to like?

If Raley's or any other business really wanted to make the case to their employees that they would go broke, they could open up their books and prove it, but you know, I've never heard of that happening. It must be a "good old boy's club" rule. I noticed on KFBK they trotted out the Big Bad Boy of Walmart, that delightful firm that gave it's employees handbooks on how to scam the California and Federal welfare systems, rather than pay them more money. With a super majority in the CA leg, I would look to see more laws regarding and regulating Walmart style businesses. Why are we exporting profits from Californians to company headquarters located in other states?

JesusBetterman

See you on the slopes, Greg, any day of the week, and you obviously are unaware that Jeff lives in the opposite direction from your proposed route.

Gregory

Jeff,

That cover made me think of famed environmentalist James Lovelock's interview at The Guardian in 2010:
"The great climate science centres around the world are more than well aware how weak their science is. If you talk to them privately they're scared stiff of the fact that they don't really know what the clouds and the aerosols are doing. They could be absolutely running the show. We haven't got the physics worked out yet."

Your favorite source of climate science facts in Nevada City, when asked what "temperature" was, couldn't go beyond 'it's the number on the thermometer' when asked. And she didn't remember ever taking a class in physics, going back to high school.

I see your profile still doesn't even list what your bachelor's was in. Let's remind everyone it was Rhetoric, as empty as ever.

JeffPelline@mac.com

Gregory,
Quick. Let us know about the curriculum vitae of the editors, writers, even the printer at Business Week! Hurry, hurry. What a boob.

Gregory

Name calling is the emptiest of rhetoric, Jeff. Your "valet" is spinning in his grave.

JeffPelline@mac.com

Gregory,
As is yours.

Gregory

I didn't have a "valet", Jeff. Neither does my son.

JeffPelline@mac.com

That's just your perspective.

JesusBetterman

Leave the kids out of it. Where's our mud-wrestling referee?

Gregory

Jeff, it's also my perspective that you sent me an email offering to 'apologize' for the slander that you posted here with no basis in fact, a claim that I'd thrown a tantrum at a Constitution Day parade. All I needed to do to get you to do the right thing was take back a statement that you were universally despised at The Union when you prowled our local newspaper as its Editor, which I had good reason to believe. I declined, so your defamation(s) stand.

Jeff, I'm sure you have the good sense not to dispute this. Reality is a legally defensible perspective.

Todd Juvinall

I swiped this off of the Territorial Dispatch. And so it all begins.

• AB 1960 by Assemblyman
Roger Dickinson, a
Sacramento Democrat , was
signed into law by the governor.
It requires the state to
track the number of gay and
lesbian business owners
with whom the state contracts.
What does a person’s
sexual preference have to
do with a low-bid process?
How much taxpayer money
is being used to seek out all
the thousands of businesses
and ask them about their sex
life? How many bureaucrats
will have to be hired under
the title “Sex Analyst”?

JeffPelline@mac.com

Gregory,
You're way off topic and boring the readership of Rebane's Ruminations, including me. Good night Gregory.

JesusBetterman

" a claim that I'd thrown a tantrum at a Constitution Day parade." oh damn, that would have made a great photo-op!

Todd, if the numbers come up ZERO, and yet such minority owned businesses apply, then it would hint at discrimination.

"How much taxpayer money
is being used to seek out all
the thousands of businesses
and ask them about their sex
life? "

It's a check box on a form, Todd, not a state worker.

Ken Jones

Russ I was trying to provide some context that administrations all have businesses that have lay-offs, downsize, outsourcing, whatever during their tenure. Your contention and that of Greg, that Bush did a better job than under Obama is simply incorrect. Make excuses all you want. Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, Bush II and Obama all saw this occur while holding office.
And Russ your post implies that the lay-offs would not be happening if Romney was elected. Bogus and disingenuous contention. Elections do have consequences and one is the self-righteous attitude of the losing party.

Gregory

Jeff's yawn means even the professional rhetorician doesn't have a comeback. I accept your forfeit, thank you for the lack of dispute in the facts of the matter, and find your fiction that you are concerned about the readers here to be quite touching.

JeffPelline@mac.com

Gregory,
You should read your sentences more carefully before posting them. Fragmented sentences indicates a fragmented mind — or worse.

Ryan Mount

Re: AB 1960

What I want to know Doug and Todd, is what would constitute discrimination? Is there a number? Say 10% of all State contracts need to be to LBGT business owners? 11.567%? π%?

And who got to decide that Lesbians get to go first in the "LBGT" initialism? Who makes all of these rules?

JesusBetterman

In the real world Ryan, it works like this. We get a new dog, who thinks he should only eat canned dog food or better yet human food. Then the next dog in line starts refusing to eat Kibbles too.

Then I stop opening cans.

Gregory

The empty rhetorician criticizes the only thing he truly understands.

JesusBetterman

"Broadwell embedded with the general..." best yukyuk of the day. At least he has good taste in women.

Ryan Mount

Doug, thanks. Sounds like a Conservative solution, to be frank.

Dogs: they're like children, except they eat their poo and don't talk about you during Psychotherapy sessions in their 20s.

JesusBetterman

If a computer can do video and audio and keystroke logging on your command, it can be programmed to to it automatically on someone else's command. I suspect that the Good General's computer was hacked to detect possible intrusions, and the FBI got more than they bargained for. I suspect soundproof and wifi proof filing cabinets are going to come into high demand as this case reveals more details.

Yes Ryan, I am a Conservative when it comes to my sanity, although Greg would never know it.

JeffPelline@mac.com

Gregory,
What's an "independent software engineer" anyway?

JeffPelline@mac.com

Actually, I got that wrong. "Independent software engineer" at "my place." LOL.

Steve Enos

This story covers it very well:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-banks-campaign-20121110,0,293179.column

"Reality crashes the Republican Party... it's not a matter of fine-tuning a message or finding minority candidates; the problem is a platform that staked out the far-right fringe on many issues.

It's hard to argue with the demographic dimensions of Obama's victory. He won in almost every category of voters except senior citizens and white men.

According to exit polls, support for Obama came from 93% of blacks, 71% of Latinos, 73% of Asian Americans, 76% of gays and lesbians, 60% of voters under 30 and 55% of women.

That is not your classic ideological coalition, with shared interests and concerns. That's a collection of folks alienated, over time, by Republicans.

People vote their pocketbooks, but they also vote their passions. And those reflect not only their age and ethnic heritage, but the sort of personal lives that right-wingers have made clear they're not willing to abide.

The Republican Party is pandering to a base that is rapidly shrinking in a country that's learning to tune them out."


Russ Steele

KenJones@03:08

I was not defending Bush, I was just noting the layoffs took place over several years and productivity increased. As for the Obama layoffs, they happened in a single week, and there were numerous posts on Drudge about companies stating that if Romney could not get ObamaCare off the books, they would be force to layoff a lot of employees. They made no secret that if Obama was reelected making ObamaCare a certainty then, it was layoff time. And that is what they did, nine pages listing companies so far. I am sure that there will more information coming our, especially after the monthly jobless numbers come out and we are well above 8%. If I find an good analysis, I will post the results for everyone to comment on.

Romney was never my choice. He was just an east coast elite pretend conservative. He failed to embrace conservative in it truest form and look want happened. Fewer people voted for him than for McCain who was a looser RINO from day one. I voted for Romney because he was not Obama. I had serious doubts that Romney would clean out the EPA when some of his former staff is embedded in the organization. There is more but it is cocktail time.


Walt B

Mr. R. I understand "your in the know" when it comes to fire arms. Question... If you had a choice between a good AR10 (.308) or an M14 scout in semi auto?
I'm off to the gun show in the morning. ( both these fine weapons are now real hard to come by)
I need a second opinion.

Thanks.

JesusBetterman

I suspect that if a law was passed that any company, that said it "had to lay off workers," would be subject to a complete inspection of their books, kept confidential, and required to prove their case for layoffs, there would be no more of this BS about "we have to." Any time a company says, "it is our policy" or "we have to" or similar phrases, ask yourself, "are they required to by the government, or by God?" If neither, then the corporation makes a conscious and deliberate CHOICE to have that policy, and they CAN change that choice, if they chose to. If not, then they are freeway signing the person requesting the change.

JesusBetterman

Buy another dog, Walt, and always have at least two at home when you take the others in the vehicle. How are you set of pop-on lights. Did you know Bogen makes a marvelous device that connects to a microphone and can be set to activate lights with variable delays and other cool features?

George Rebane

Gentlemen – I’m off on little road trip, and I return to a mud slinging match, and one that was imported to boot. Let’s just say that it ended tonight, OK?

KenJ 1142am – That CA is a “dysfunctional state” under gross mismanagement is not a American rightwing exclusive. Only the narrowly read have no idea that this notion enjoys global attention that includes an ongoing series of reports from publications like the center-left Economist from London and Germanys Die Welt. But then, the narrowly read demonstrated their plurality this week. Isn’t democracy grand when we can resolve things like AGW and California’s quality of governance by majority vote – reality be damned.

JesusB 1250pm – Doug, you pulled the sack over your head again – why?

Can’t your arguments about Raley’s labor problems be used in aftersight about Obama’s auto industry bailout? The detailed managed bankruptcy plans for Chrysler and GM, if implemented, would not have shut down the industry, stopped production of Chrysler and GM vehicles, stiffed the good-faith lenders to the companies, and cost the nation hundreds of billions. It would only have weakened the unions’ ability to negotiate non-competitive compensation packages for their members. But then, perhaps I answered my own question.

And in your 619pm you again give no evidence of understanding how a company stays alive and competitive in the marketplace. If survival risk could be reduced by keeping redundant labor employed and a given profit level made more certain, then a competitor would discover it and others would follow suit.

WaltB 600pm – Take the M-14. Its 7.62xx51mm is also a Winchester .308, and you will have a genuine military issue rifle that is still used by snipers and in national target competitions, that will appreciate through the years as it becomes a true classic.

Paul Emery

Russ

What "true conservative" do you believe would have had a good chance to defeat Obama?

JesusBetterman

Business is poker, George, and bluffing is a common business tactic. we're not talking redundant labor, we're talking the same labor, forced to take cuts in pay, while the shareholders party away.

Gregory

-the FUE at 4:41

Jeff, while you were checking your profile, did you finally add BA in Rhetoric in your education? Why not wear that achievement proudly, assuming you are proud of it?

I've read "SierraFoodWineArt", and there's arguably more software engineering going on at my place than there is journalism at yours. In any case, I've once again established you don't tell the truth, you're vindictive, are willing to tell a lie to bargain with someone who is telling the truth and will write anything to win an argument. I think that's a fair summary, don't you?

Jeff Pelline

Gregory,
I'd be much more worried about you than me. You haven't held any job for more than five years, according to LinkedIn. Your last jobs are 10 months and six months, respectively. What's wrong dude? Can't you hold a job. Is "independent software engineer" at "my place" a euphemism for "unemployed." No wonder you have such an inferiority complex. I'll try to throw some business your way; that might help you calm down on these blogs.

JesusBetterman

Can I sell tickets?

Gregory

I'm sure you're more worried about me than yourself, Jeff, or you'd not be changing the subject, again, to more argumentum ad hominem.


Jeff Pelline

Gregory,
Why don't you sign your name "Gregory Goodnight." Is that because you're afraid would-be employers will find out what a jerk you are when they search for your name.

Walt

Thanks Doc, I will try and take your advice. It seems a bare bones version is just a few bucks more than I have budgeted for. The M14A1 is in real high demand.
Besides. It's one elegant piece of machinery.

George Rebane

Administrivia - A reader sent me a rather lengthy email that was a copy of one of Mr Pelline's recent posts. It consisted entirely of copied segments from this RR post, and selected comments from the current comment stream. And now the man is here sharing his wisdom with us. I'm not sure whether he is having a crisis of content on his blog, or a crisis of contentment. In either case we look forward to hearing his ideas on the topics discussed here on RR, instead of coming to exchange ad hominems.

Jeff Pelline

This is a confusing note, but do you notice how George selectively approves comments that suit his perspective but gets a little sweaty when the heat is turned up against his like-minded commenters? What are the standards on "Rebane's Ruminations"?

JesusBetterman

HOw close to Walt would you all like to be living when he whips out his new toy and misses the damn squirrel he thinks is a burglar?

Jeff, maybe it's my court jester value, but George does not seem to censor, except when Gregory Goodknight and I go at it.

Jeff Pelline

"Jesus,"
It's anything goes when George's like-minded friends post, but he "regulates" the opposition. George is a walking hypocrite.

Gregory

Well, at Georges request (after his last post, I asked him offline) I'm still witholding a response to Pelline, but Jeff's 9:47 requires a response to the blog. Sorry George.

First, George will probably be happy to verify that he and I are not "like-minded friends". Second, I can testify (and give links to support the testimony) that Jeff has a history of letting his lickspittles (look it up, a fine old word that deserves more use) attack the opposition at will at his blog. The waddling shameless hypocrite is Pelline.

Jeff Pelline

Gregory,
What's up? Kitty got your big mouth/tongue? I've carved away some time to go at it all weekend. It's time to shine a light on "Gregory Goodknight," since he likes to belittle Anna, Doug and others. He's just a bully with a low self esteem.

"I'd be much more worried about you than me. You haven't held any job for more than five years, according to LinkedIn. Your last jobs are 10 months and six months, respectively. What's wrong dude? Can't you hold a job. Is "independent software engineer" at "my place" a euphemism for "unemployed." No wonder you have such an inferiority complex. I'll try to throw some business your way; that might help you calm down on these blogs."

Wang

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Scott J

Agreed Jeff, it seems most bloggers filter the supposed opposition, whether liberal or conservative.

Views and opinions only come into focus when contrasted by opposition.

Jeff Pelline

When the going gets tough, do you notice that people who post here don't use their real names. "Gregory," "Scot J," give me a break.

Gregory

The bully with low self esteem is said to have had a habit of yelling at subordinates at The Union. When he was there. An awfully short tenure for someone who chooses to criticizes others for short tenures.

In tech, if you want to pursue a given technology, you either drag your current employer to it, find a different company to employ you to do it, or do it yourself. Think surfing. Since the FUE innuendo begs a response, after helping architect the USR rack modem product (yes, I'm a named inventor on the patents) and things like the 56K modem architecture, and embedded hardware and software, I spent time doing initial Voice over IP system engineering at the VoIP Forum (later sucked into the IMTC) development as USR's representative but USR passed on doing anything with it, and I found out the VoIP forum attendees from 3Com, (they were by then acquiring USR) were just pushing paper.

I wanted to work with that technology, not make cost reduced modems, so I flew to Cisco (literally) because they believed in it and were doing what I couldn't convince USR was valuable. I expect I'd still be there, except my wife died, leaving me with our son at Mt.St.Mary's and our life in turmoil. I left Cisco (with yet another patent in process, this time a method for packet voice over the pstn) to be Dad. That turned out really well, and I still have an airplane 10 years later. Must be doing something right.

Jeff Pelline, if I find a company doing something I want to do, and they want me to do it, I will. Otherwise I'll just continue doing what I'm doing when I want to do it. I suppose a glossy version of the pennysaver has its place, but it isn't what I'd want to be involved with and I've avoided anything like web commerce, though one of my business plans would involve it if I decide to make that idea happen. Thanks for the consideration but I'll have to pass. Besides, you can't afford me, in so many ways.

Gregory is on my birth certificate and it was what came up when I first had to log in here and used an old login of a service that asked for my first name. Since Pelline used "Gregory" to call me a boob on his blog, and knew who I was when it came up here, it's obvious that Pelline is being his usual disingenuous self.

Scott J

? Gregory, I am new here. I've posted on left and right leaning blogs and been screened by both for stating positions that didn't agree with the moderators sensibilities. This is very frustrating, especially if you're trying to highlight a different point of view.
This is my real account, and I don't know anyone here other than through posts on Todd J's blog.

Wang

wang superior to jeff
jeff whine

Scott J

Sorry Gregory, I am tired, drove all day today, my last post should be addressed to Jeff. No worries, this is my account, and this is the first day I've posted here.

George Rebane

Administrivia - I unpublished some more snarky exchanges involving Jeff Pelline, who I wish would either contribute to the topics that I post or stay home. And, yes, none of it is 'fair' or whatever other measure people have of justice. It is easy to avoid all the injustice on RR by just staying away.

Barry Pruett

Sorry Jeff. I am not trying to confuse anyone, as I do not know Greg other than what he wrote above. I am just seeing "deplorable personal attacks" from you constantly for four days and am genuinely concerned. I thought that last night you may have had a little too much wine, but when you started again this morning, I realized that it was just you. I will say a prayer for you.

JeffPelline@mac.com

Barry,
Are you talking to yourself? George unpublished your snarky comments. Let it go, man. Can you?

Douglas Keachie

From my perspective I'd say that both Jeff and Greg are set for life, at an upper middle class lifestyle, and entertain themselves with their projects, which may or may not make yet even more cash. This of course assumes that the overall economy does not corkscrew in. Congrats! As for comments about the bodies momma nature picked out, those are in poor taste. You might as well make fun of my hearing loss, or the color of the sky.

Tom Kenworth

George, if Wang doesn't have the balls to post a full name, aren't you supposed to castrate him?

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