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10 November 2012

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Douglas Keachie

Seems to me we already have some very industrious folk who fought their way north, and then evolves from picking lettuce to being the workers of choice due to acceptance of low wages and ability to do the job, and on to entrepreneurship and the classic capitalistic American Dream, near-ownership of the labor of others, and keeping as much of the fruits of said labor for oneself as possible.

The last ditch attempt to save a lost election by pumping Benghazi up (despite the fact that the Republicans voted down funding for security abroad) when the 1% has raided this country’s poor, working and middle classes for every cent they can get, is absurd. Now that the latest minor scandal is going to go to the same level, when Republicans have been cheating on their wives and tap dancing in bathroom stalls the whole decade, is just plain silly. If the Republicans would rather destroy this country than seek middle ground, so be it, but don’t kid yourself about the priorities here, The New Feudalism is every bit as unfair as the old Feudalism, and the rise of OWS proves that.

I strongly recommend watching this entire video, but if nothing else, be sure to watch 6:00 minutes through 8:00 minutes, and then think about what is going on at Raley’s.

http://video.pbs.org/video/2299746925/

As those on the cheated and exploited end, get pushed further down the scale, their kids, in reaction, turn our schools into pre-prison Big Yards, and further retard the development of an educated population the Republican claim to want.

Russ Steele

Your four-on the floor is an interesting idea that should provoke an interesting discussion. Do you have some ideas on how this might be implemented? It seem to me that the Republican party is already splitting up with the Tea Party Conservatives on one side and the Elites from the East on the other side. I guess that the Democrats could be Union Thugs on one side and Welfare Minorities on the other.

Barry Pruett

Your post was very uplifting for a Saturday morning- that being sarcasm. When Obama is running ads in Mexico instructing would-be illegal immigrants how to get on food stamps in the USA and with elections officials like Greg Diaz who admittedly counts all unqualified ballots (regardless of the law), it is no wonder liberals garner a majority of the legal and illegal imigrant vote. When you are the party of the "rule of law," running against the "anything goes" liberals is a daunting task...but a noble and just one. In the end, justice and truth always win, and for that reason, we will eventually be successful in guiding the country back to the rule of law.

Steve Frisch

I agree, what an uplifting morning.......starting with the use of the Multikulti to describe a completely non-analogous shift in American demographics, thus injecting the tensions of the religious and ethnic issues of a European movement in to an American situation (non-analogous because hispanics are actually assimilating at a faster rate than previous immigrants in the US, are of the same religious background as most of the US, and are assimilating into a society that has a history of assimilation rather than a society that has a history of resistance to assimilation); followed by Russ' sour grapes description of socially moderate Republicans as east coast elites and Democrats as made up entirely of Thugs and brown people; followed by Barry's allegations of illegal activity against a man who beat his ass 2-1 at the polls, and characterization of Democrats as against "the rule of law".

I will repost here something I posted over at Mr. Pelline's blog:

"So here is what I have to say to Russ, George, Todd, Martin and crew [and by crew I include mindless followers who don't question their friends language and values].
If you use race baiting and dog whistle racist language.. people of color are not going to vote for your candidates.
If you call women who use birth control whores…women are not going to vote for your candidates.
If you call immigrants to this country freeloaders, loafers, and leeches they are not going to vote for your candidates.
If you call young people stupid, uneducated, narcissists they are not going to vote for your candidates.
If you tell gay people that their love is less important, real or natural than yours, they are not going to vote for your candidates.
It is not about how much money you have to deliver your message, how you split the vote, how you micro-target your base, how much you discourage people voting, or how photogenic or impassioned your candidate is.
It is about what you believe….what you believe in your hearts and souls and what comes out every time you open your mouths……if you tell people you hate them, don’t respect them, and question their Americanism they are going to kick you in the ass every time."

Face it boys....you are on the wrong side of history.....thank God!

Steve Frisch

Let the Civil War within the Republican Party begin...I really hope the crazy Tea Party nut jobs win...it will make them a minority in most of the country for a generation......

Todd Juvinall

SteveF, you are as off in your analysis as you are in your business acumen. You libs conveniently forget you all were crapping your pants in 2004 when Kerry was beaten. Those exit polls were phony as the lamestreams and your operatives were trying to influence the voters on the Central and West coast time zones.

There is no civil war going to happen. There will a reassessment of policies, strategies and outreach and we will be back to kick your tooshies in 2014. The real problem I see is there will be an implosion within the democrat party over money, spending and debt. I can hardly wait.

So, as long as you libs do your race baiting, class warfare crap, you will see a long term rejection of you by fair minded Americans. 2.5 percent victories are no mandate. Oh, and we have all the local and regional offices and those fellows are very conservative. What a hoot!

Tom Kenworth

Depends on how you define "local" Todd. I think of NorCal as local, and the Dems rule.

Steve Frisch

Talking about off in business acumen how are you spec homes doing Big Boy? I bet I talk with more 'business people' in a week than you do in a year! And we saw accurate and well informed all of your bloated prognostication was! A lot of good having all those local offices is going to do for you. The Republican county supervisors think all of you guys are nuts, and the state representatives will be in a super minority unable to even effect tax policy.

I think perhaps Glen Beck has the best solution for you...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1lRN9_zw-Jw

Tom Kenworth

Farmland and guns? no seeds, no tractor, no solar powered well pumps, the guns will have nothing worth protecting. BTW, never did get an answer to how far away from Walt and his new toy do you feel safe at? Case in point. We had one neighbor who was fairly active with guns, so I deliberately placed our firewood storage bins about 30 feet away from our house, directly in the path of any shots coming from that direction.

Russ Steele

The facts are beginning to roll in as Counties start doing the final count, finding more ballots than registered voters in Ohio Counties. In PA the Obama vote was 99% is some precincts.

Across Philadelphia, GOP poll inspectors were forcibly (and illegally) removed from polling locations. Coincidentally (or not), Mr. Obama received "astronomical" numbers in those very same regions, including locations where he received "over 99%" of the vote.

Ward 4, which also had a poll watcher dressed in Obama attire, went massively for Obama. Mr. Obama received 99.5% of the vote, defeating Mr. Romney 9,955 to 55.

I am sure that we will soon find more fraud, like the military ballots stored in a warehouse until the day after the election.

Russ Steele

Check out this chart and your will see where the real divide is:
http://image.patriotpost.us/2012-11-08-alexander-3.jpg

Tom Kenworth

If newly registered votoer are not included in the number of "Registered Voters" then it is entirely possible that the number of ballots would exceed the previous noted number of Registered Voters." For those who are obsessed with college degrees and areas of specialization, I submit the following:

HeyDonald

D. King

"Demographically it is clear that our ability to remain economically viable will require the arrival of a steady stream of industrious immigrants."

Did ever occur to you that that's the plan?

Steve Enos

Reality crashes the Republican Party... it's not a matter of fine-tuning a message or finding minority candidates; the problem is a platform that staked out the far-right fringe on many issues.

It's hard to argue with the demographic dimensions of President Obama's victory. He won in almost every category of voters except senior citizens and white men.

According to exit polls, support for President Obama came from 93% of blacks, 71% of Latinos, 73% of Asian Americans, 76% of gays and lesbians, 60% of voters under 30 and 55% of women. That is not your classic ideological coalition, with shared interests and concerns. That's a collection of folks alienated, over time, by Republicans.

People vote their pocketbooks, but they also vote their passions. And those reflect not only their age and ethnic heritage, but the sort of personal lives that hard right-wingers and the Republicans have made clear they're not willing to abide.

The Republican Party is pandering to a base that is rapidly shrinking in a country that's learning to tune them out. The Tea Party has taken the Republican Party to the far right. The Republican Party now requires one to pass a litmus test. Support a woman’s right to chose and you are out, support any type of taxes and you are out, gay rights and out you go, immigration reform, no way… out you go.

The results across America on Tuesday make it all very clear. The Tea Party candidates were sent parking and 100’s and 100’s of millions in super PAC dollars got Karl Rove no wins.

Demographics are facts. Social science tells the story. What does the Tea Party and the Republican Party have to offer in order to have any type of future? You could get 100% of 30%, but that is not a recipe for a future.

Thanks to Fox, Karl Rove, Rush and the Tea Party the Republican Party will now go to war with itself as it tries to come up with some path forward. The Republican Party has alienated far to many for far too long… what will they do?

Demographics tell the story of the demise of the Republican Party for generations to come. Now we will watch the Republican Party implode and the Tea Party fade away.

President Obama 332 and Romney 206... an electoral land slide! Now go out and make a big list of excuses and wild claims about fraud... get Trump and Rush to help make the list.

Todd Juvinall

Little boy SteveF has a problem. He has decide to play the propaganda game with the election results. His analysis is as bad as his ability to pay his payroll taxes as a failed restaurant owner in Truckee (250K?). I now see why we have a deficit because people like Frisch are in charge of the pocketbooks. God help the middle class and poor in our state. The takers are now in charge.

D. King

Hey Steve,

Do you know why Muslims and Jews don't eat pork?

D. King

Hey Steve,(Enos)

Do you know why Muslims and Jews don't eat pork?


Well Mr. Enos, for the same reason we removed spittoons from hotels and bars.

I’ll let you do the research.

Then we can move on to the anti-sodomy laws.

Let me help you there.

“Gay Men's Health News: Liver Cancer On the Rise from Untreated Hepatitis”

http://www.realjock.com/article/1646

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jul/21/news/la-heb-hepatitis-c-sex-07212011

Tell me Steve, do you bother to enlighten young men to the dangers, or, do you just scoff at biblically based warnings because they’re biblically based and you’re a religious bigot?

Steve Frisch

George, did you really censor my response? If I respond without calling Todd the accurate description of what he really is will you publish it?

Russ Steele

With unlimited spending and taxing power in Sacramento they will continue to drive businesses from the state, and those that choose to stay will forced to reassess their position as energy costs soar and the CO2 regulator costs burdens become untenable. As businesses leave, there are fewer jobs and fewer people to pay the taxes, and California’s economic death spiral accelerates until there is rude and messy crash into reality. There is no way to tax or regulate our to a recovery, especially if tax revenue falls below states ability to pay the interest on bonds and loans.

As will all addicts, recovery cannot start until the patient hits bottom and admits they have and problem and accept the fact that recovery is possible if they have the will. One day this state will hit bottom and the electorate will recognize that recovery is possible but only under the supervision of a fiscally responsible leadership in the Assembly, Senate and the Governors Office. It maybe beyond my time, but it will happen.

In a perverse way I am pleased that we now have a super-majority in the Assembly and Senate, with a Governor more than willing to tax and spend at will. It will hasten the inevitable crash and burn, so we can get started on the recovery regimen.

Steve Enos

Wow!... you must be sure to read this post by D. King:

Posted by: D. King | 10 November 2012 at 02:32 PM

Tom Kenworth

So far these blogs have destroyed medicine and teaching as financially viable occupations, who's next? Seems like bean counters working for funeral homes is the only safe (financially) occupation.

Steve Frisch

Hey Todd, you are one viscous guy, especially for a guy who allowed his property to foreclose and let the American taxpayers pay for.

Yes, I once had debt.

Guess what, I paid back every red cent of my debt. It took me 8 years, and I did it because it was my responsibility. I just buckled down, got another job, and paid for my mistakes. I did not rail against the government for treating me unfairly (which they did not); I did not run away from my debt; I did not hide my debt; I have told hundreds of people my story of struggling owning the restaurant; and I paid every single one of my employees on the spot when I shut down. Not a single one of them suffered a single loss.

Can you say the same......I don't think so.

But I do think that you have demonstrated for everyone here exactly what type of man you are. You are a man who hides his flaws, while picking on others instead of standing up and paying his dues when he makes a mistake. You are the type of guy who revels in hurting other people.

And, ultimately, you are the type of man who thinks he can blackmail people into silence by threatening to disclose personal information.

Do all you readers remember Todd saying he had a 'big story' that would embarrass someone last year? The problem with blackmail Todd is that it doesn't work if the person you are trying to blackmail stands up and does the right thing. I am proud of the fact that I paid my debts. I did the right thing.

And you, you are dirt.

Steve Frisch

By the way Todd, you already disclosed all of the cr*p over on your own lame blog over the last year....do you really think that you can hurt or intimidate me by being a complete jerk over here? Don't you get it Todd; NO ONE CARES.

Tom Kenworth

Speaking of doing the right thing, Woodsy contacted me and said he was going to make the payment to Hospitality House of $100 from our bet some years ago. Congrats, Woodsy, for being a man of character!

As far as the producers go, how do you think the 10 riches counties in the country voted? Take a gander, 8 of ten supported Obama. Oh my! What does that say about the rich of our county?

TenRichestCountiesVoteObama

Steve Frisch

By the way George, I sent my contribution in to SESF as well.

Steve Frisch

Yeah, lets get back to the issues....I posted here that if one looks at the county-by-county map of the election results it is pretty darn clear that the highest income counties in the country voted for Obama. Clearly they don't think that paying a little more at the top end in income taxes is going to be a problem!

D. King

Speaking of garnering support Steve Enos. How did that Fast and Furious work out for the 300+ Mexicans killed? Maybe they're just a means to an end for the left.

Todd Juvinall

I think Steve Frisch has lost his mind. What a hoot! Now back to the issues.

Steve Enos

"Fast and Furious"... a total, screwed up mess.

D. King

You mean killing Mexicans with American guns was not the plan? Then what was it?

Russ Steele

D.King@03:22PM and Enos@04:00PM

Fast and Furious is going to look like a kindergarden exercise once the Benghazi coverup is exposed. The CIA was using the Benghazi mission compound to run weapons, not just guns, to al-Qaida and Syrian opposition groups through Turkey. It was not a consulate. It was just a bunch of rundown buildings with space to store the weapons prior to shipment to Syria, via Turkey. Stevenson’s last meeting of the day was with an official from Turkey.

The speculation surrounding the sudden resignation of CIA Chief General David Petraeus is focusing in large part on his role in an alleged cover-up of the attacks against the U.S. mission in Benghazi this past September. Perhaps overlooked is the CIA’s role in purportedly using the Benghazi mission to coordinate U.S. aid to Syrian opposition groups and information those same insurgents include jihadists openly acting under the al-Qaida umbrella.

Libya had thousands of shoulder fired anti-craft rockets that the rebels needed to shoot down Bashar al-Assad’s fighter and helicopter. That is how Russia was driven out of Afghanistan, with man-pack anti-aircraft systems. It appears that the CIA was running those man-pack weapons to the Syrian opposition groups, which included al-Qaida according to many reports from the region.

D. King

"Libya had thousands of shoulder fired anti-craft rockets..."

I think the guess was 20,000!

http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/new-economy/2011/1209/Libya-s-missing-missiles-a-threat-to-US-airline-passengers

Paul Emery

I wouldn't take Todd too seriously on political analysis. He picked Romney by 6-8 % and was off by 10% and over a hundred electoral votes and owes me a juicy corn dog as result. Nate Silver, who was 100% on the mark believes the Repubs will have a tough time for the indefinite future. This is pretty depressing I know for genetic Republicans. Nate writes:

"Based on a preliminary analysis of the returns, Mitt Romney may have had to win the national popular vote by three percentage points on Tuesday to be assured of winning the Electoral College."


http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/08/as-nation-and-parties-change-republicans-are-at-an-electoral-college-disadvantage/

It sure is great to live in a republic

Walt B

Well Doc, .308 is mighty scarce. ANY M14 is now two fist fulls of Jacksons.
AR10? Few and far between, but they are out there.( I only found 5 today)
A rumor surfaced that The Range up here had one on order. Sure as Hell... There was one
due in soon. What model? They don't even really know, other than it's made by Bushmaster. But I forked over the quoted "out the door" price.
Too bad I can't even start the paperwork till it shows up. So now I wait, so I can wait some more.
So... Will it be bare bones stock? Or will it have some slight upgrades? No one knows.
What a day.

Paul Emery

As far as third and fourth party's I'm all for it. The alingment would likely be Republicrats 2 (somewhat interchangeable values and opinions with slight variations) Greens-Enviros-1 and Libertarian-1.

Steve Enos

Walt, below is a link to "Lan World". Visit their website as they have a number of well priced .308 AR opitions by Rock River, DPMS and Remington. They are a top notch company with real helpful people and great, fast service. Just have it ship to a local dealer, transfer fees are low.

http://www.lanworldinc.com/

Steve Enos

PS Walt... they do California compliant firearms for those of us in California.

Mikey McD

The president has succeeded in dividing America based on income. He has and continues to encouraged hate towards the successful. He has succeeded (as the Nazi's did in the 1930's) in identifying and targeting a scapegoat.

I had a liberal millionaire client (inheritance) tell me not to refer to her as a millionaire because she "hates the rich" (her words not mine).

I choose love when I am allowed.

Russ Steele

Heh!

Indeed, the House Republican majority remains almost completely unchanged, except that the new caucus is more conservative than the old one. If John Boehner wants to remain speaker, he should make sure that 120 Republican Congressman don’t vote against him.

What, the Republican ended up with a stronger House and more Republican Governors? Everything that Republican are doing cannot be wrong. Our gravest danger is choosing weak candidates and let them go a pandering. I considered both Romney and McCain weak candidates who were prone to pandering, and most people saw right through it.

Now the Republican Elites are trying to blame the Tea Party for the loss. They are sounding more like liberals "it is always some one else's fault" I rest my case.

Walt

Where is a range that I can stretch my new girlfriends legs?
800 yards should just about do it.

Paul Emery

Russ Steele | 10 November 2012 at 04:17 PM

Can you provide some links to your conspiracy theory? It seems a bit Hollywood but possibly true. Reminds me of Iran Contra.

Russ Steele

Paul@09:46PM

You might want to try these sources:

http://p.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/oct/22/the-real-reason-behind-benghazigate/

http://thediplomad.blogspot.com/2012/10/the-benghazi-emails-and-some.html

http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/is-this-why-cia-chief-really-resigned/

You may think that some are more credible than others and you may be inclined to attack the source rather than the collection of dots that supports the theory that the CIA was running weapons to terrorists.

The CIA did it in Afghanistan to help the mujahideen defeat the Russians, it is not a difficult step to think that they would repeat that success for the Syrian conflict. The question was where to get the MANPADs. Well the Libyans had a lot of Soviet missiles that fit the need. No US marking to drag us into the war, and more than capable of doing the job, but in the wrong hands could being down an airliner. Stay Tuned the investigation will reveal all.

George Rebane

PaulE 946pm - Let me echo Russ' 1036pm. First, it is not his conspiracy theory, but one of the most plausible explanations that is being considered worldwide today. A bit wider reading would reveal that and many other ongoing items that are related to our election.

And second, when a government runs covert operations, which it does almost constantly, these are not called conspiracies, but implementations of foreign policy. We may not like them, but that is too bad. However, some such implementations may be viewed as legal and others illegal according to, say, certain members of Congress.

Billy T

Dr. Rebane, looking forward I used to see a cloudy ball, instead of a crystal ball. It has been getting clearer with each passing month.

The country as a whole has no problem expanding social programs and bigger government. Many believe now that it is the primary role of government. Just look at Sandy. People actually think FEMA should be the first responders, which is ridiculous. Help with mortgages, help with going to school, help with day care, help with buying a new car, help with eating, help with rent, help with getting a job, help with healthcare, help with gathering firewood, help with cell phones. Too many people believe that is the role of gobernment and have no problem looking to Big Brother first, foremost, and solely instead of being the last resort.

Tipping point? Yes, it is in the rear view mirror.

Once read an article entitled "What ever happened to Mr. and Mrs.?" Gave a brief historical perspective. Kids used to call the next door neighbor Mr. Jones and the guy at the market Mr. Smith and the kindergarten teach Mrs. Wills. After the sixties, we started calling folks Bill and Dave and Mary, even teachers and the Parks and Recs director. Now it is so common that is weird to hear a kid call a next door neighbor or even a youth pastor Mr. Davies. It takes 3 generations and then it is lost. The 3rd generation just passes it on to infinity. What ever happened to Mr. and Mrs.? Same for our society. 3 generations of handouts and expanding goberment and now it is the norm. Don't kid yourself. Government will be bigger, much bigger, than it is now. The election proved that. Talk of cutting government back is just talk. There are NO serious plans to reduce the size of government. Won't happen.

People like me who believe we sell our souls if we take the Great White Father in Washington's money are rare, a dying relic of the past. The reservations are a wasteland of people waiting for the Great White Father in Washington to drop some coins in the beggar's cup month and month, year after year, and now generation after generation. We don't work on the plantation no more. Nope, welcome to the reservation.

George Rebane

BillT 842am - Well said and true Mr Tozer. The breakdown of mutual respect as shown through salutations is an early step in the breakdown of social order. We are not all peers nor equal in all dimensions, and the recognition of social structure - based on achievement, rank, station, age, ... - is a prime contributor to social order.

Accepting tribute from the regime, that has been taken by force from our neighbor, for 'proper behavior' does indeed usher us onto the Great Reservation.

Steve Enos

Billy T.... here's a simple fact about the "taker" States in the U.S.

This is not talked about by the right and the conservatives as they bash on the blue States.

Almost all the Red States take more from the Federal Government than they contribute, while the Blue States do the opposite. The Blue States support the Red States.

nutzo fast

Dear Red States:

We're ticked off at your Neanderthal attitudes and politics, so we've decided we're leaving.

We in New York, Mass and CA intend to form our own country and we're taking all the other Blue States with us.

In case you aren't aware that includes Hawaii, Oregon, Washington, Md, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois, Vermont, the rest of the Northeast, and DC also.

We believe this split will be beneficial to the entire nation and especially to the people of our new country called "The Enlightened States of America" (E.S.A).

To sum up briefly:
You get Texas, Oklahoma, AZ and all the slave states.

We get stem cell research, the best beaches, and we'll take all of the creative gay people you don't want anyway.

We get Barack and Michelle, Bill & Hillary, Andrew Cuomo, Elizabeth Warren, and Diane Feinstein. You get Bobby Jindal, Rick Perry and Todd Akin.

We get the Statue of Liberty. You get OpryLand.

We get Apple, Intel, Microsoft and all the smart technology. You get WorldCom, the Koch Bros, and all the coal/oil pollution.

We get Harvard, Yale, Columbia, UC and Princeton. You get Ole' Miss.

We get Silicon Valley, NYC, San Fran, Seattle and 85 percent of America's venture capital and best entrepreneurs.

You get Alabama and Arkansas.

We get two-thirds of all the tax revenue. You get to make the red states pay their fair share.

Our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower than the Christian Coalition states, so we get a bunch of happy families. You get a bunch of angry single moms and deadbeat dads.

With the Blue States in hand we will have firm control of 80% of the country's fresh water, more than 90% of the pineapple and lettuce, 92% of the nation's fresh fruit, 95% of America's quality wines (you can serve Ripple at your state dinners), 90% of the best cheese, 90 percent of the high tech industry, most of the US low sulfur coal, all the living redwoods, solar power, the Sequoias and condors, all the Seven Sister schools, plus Harvard, Yale, Stanford, UC, UCLA, Cal Tech and MIT.

With the Red States you will have to cope with 88% of all the obese Americans and their projected healthcare costs, 92% of all US mosquitoes, nearly 100% of the tornadoes, 90% of the hurricanes, 99% of all the Southern Baptists, virtually 100% of all televangelists, plus Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck, Bob Jones University, Clemson and the University of Georgia.

We also get Hollywood and Yosemite, thank you very much. You get Appalachia.

You get the 38% of those in the Red states who believe that the world was created in 7 days and that Jonah was actually swallowed by a whale, the 62% who are pro-life for fetuses but not for the kids who are actually born or their Moms, those who believe life is sacred unless we're discussing the death penalty or gun laws, the 44% who know that evolution is only a theory, the 53% who still believe that Saddam was part of 9/11 and had weapons of mass destruction, that Obama was born in Kenya, and the 61% of those crazy bastards who even believe they have higher morals then we do.

We're taking all the good weed too. They can have that crap they grow in Mexico.

Sincerely,

A Citizen of the Enlightened States of America


Russ Steele

Dear Citizen of the Enlightened States of America

If you feel so strongly about this issue why are you hiding as "nutzo fast"? Did you provide a valid e-mail address?

Billy T

Dear Nutzo Fast. I suppose I can live without pineapple. Jonah spent three days in the belly of the "whale", then came back to his senses. We all make mistakes. Don't think Tropical Storm Sandy spared New York and Jersey's coastal solar panels, but I have been wrong before. Keep your good weed, your poison oak, and your HIV positives. Ripple? Does it come in a box? Best thing the Blue States have is 2 Buck Chuck's. A fabulous award winning vintage according to the Enlightened Ones.

Billy T

Ms. Nutzo Fast. Ok, lets negotiate. We will take Michigan since it has 1/3 of all the registered NRA members in America. Opps, strike that. You can have Detroit, since the Blues are already own it. Lets see. You have the inner city ghettos of DC, NYC, LA, Miami, Baltimore, Cleveland, Akron, and Cincinnati. Ohio is all yours, except the Governor. You already have the Twin Cities and most of America's barrios. The Blues also claim Occupy Oakland. Fair enough. Ok, lets renegotiate. You can claim Chicago until the cows come home and we ask nothing except...please, please, please take Gary, Indiana off our hands. Come on, have a heart and take Gary. Please.

Paul Emery

So George. Russ Iran Contra legal, Benghazi illegal?

Paul Emery

This came to me.

Dear Red States:
We're ticked off at your Neanderthal attitudes and politics and we've decided we're leaving.
We in New York intend to form our own country and we're taking the other Blue States with us.
In case you aren't aware that includes California, Hawaii, Oregon, Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois and the rest of the Northeast.
We believe this split will be beneficial to the nation and especially to the people of the new country of The Enlightened States of America (E.S.A).
To sum up briefly:
You get Texas , Oklahoma and all the slave states.
We get stem cell research and the best beaches.
We get Andrew Cuomo and Elizabeth Warren. You get Bobby Jindal and Todd Akin.
We get the Statue of Liberty. You get OpryLand.
We get Intel and Microsoft. You get WorldCom.
We get Harvard. You get Ole' Miss.
We get 85 percent of America 's venture capital and entrepreneurs.
You get Alabama .
We get two-thirds of the tax revenue. You get to make the red states pay their fair share.
Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower than the Christian Coalition's, we get a bunch of happy families. You get a bunch of single moms.
With the Blue States in hand we will have firm control of 80% of the country's fresh water, more than 90% of the pineapple and lettuce, 92% of the nation's fresh fruit, 95% of America's quality wines (you can serve French wines at state dinners) 90% of all cheese, 90 percent of the high tech industry, most of the US low sulphur coal, all living
redwoods, sequoias and condors, all the Ivy and Seven Sister schools plus Harvard, Yale, Stanford , Cal Tech and MIT.
With the Red States you will have to cope with 88% of all obese Americans and their projected health care costs, 92% of all US mosquitoes, nearly 100% of the tornadoes, 90% of the hurricanes, 99% of all Southern Baptists, virtually 100% of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh, Bob Jones University, Clemson and the University of Georgia.
We get Hollywood and Yosemite , thank you.
38% of those in the Red states believe Jonah was actually swallowed by a whale, 62% believe life is sacred unless we're discussing the death penalty or gun laws, 44% say that evolution is only a theory, 53% that Saddam was involved in 9/11 and 61% of you crazy bastards believe you are people with higher morals then we lefties.
We're taking the good weed too. You can have that crap they grow in Mexico .
Sincerely,
Citizen of the Enlightened States of America

Jesus Betterman

Nutzo saved me from having to post it, so "I'll take the credit, signed, Douglas Keachie by whatever sock this particular computer is using.

Billy T

Mr. Betterman. Yes, you sweet endearing fellows have captured and overtaken California. So, you get 1/3 of the entire (former) nation's welfare recipients and get the bottom of the heap in SAT scores in Math and simple Reading, not to mention a simple thing like comprehension. California and New York are your crowning achievements. Birds of a feather. Wonder if New York will keep its motto The Empire State. Bet it does.

The Enlightened States can have all of the murder capitals of the former USA along with all the top car theft areas. Kudos. You can devote all your attention to important matters such as a ban on sodas, male circumcision, shark fin soup, baby formula, Styrofoam, and still have the highest tax rates. Would not want to take that from you as all join hands to vote to make taxes even higher. This land is my land, my land, my land. Opps, record always skips on that part.

I am pleased you will be sparing the former USA from Lizzy Warren. While you are at it, please provide a voice for Nancy, Maxine, Mr. Wiener, and even Karen Bass. Joe Biden can be your Minister of Information and perhaps Bill Clinton can lecture y'all on the utmost importance of politicians telling you the truth. Perhaps Al Gore can continue flying around in private jets and over sized SUV's while being your Minister of Transportation. Henry Waxman will keep your skies clear of black helicopters and you can purchase all the needed tin foil hats from the enemy; aka, the Red States.

Don't know what you will call Air Force One, but I sure hope it will fly Rock Stars and aging Hollywood Actresses safely on algae fuel. Don't know if the ESA can provide enough cedar for the closets on your yachts or enough redwood for your decks and hot tubs where you host Sierra Clubber parties and fund raisers. It does not matter in the long run. Most be will one toke over the line, sweet Jesus. And all the straw men will be in the mirror.

Russ Steele

Paul@11:45AM

In which Court? The Court of Public Opinion or some other legal body. It was a Democratic Congress that was supporting the Communist in Nicaragua with congressional action.

Assisting involved supplying financial support, a difficult task politically after the Democratic sweep of congressional elections in November 1982. First Democrats passed the Boland Amendment, which restricted CIA and Department of Defense operations in Nicaragua specifically; in 1984, a strengthened Boland Amendment made support almost impossible.

But, Reagan was not going to let that stop him from eradicating Communism in the Southern Hemisphere. When the crap hit the fan the Democratic Congress called Oliver North up to testify and he took them the woodshed in the Court of Public Opinion.

I never said that Benghazi was legal or illegal? It was just a botched job and the President of the United refused to support his people because he was afraid of another Black Down just before the election. He thought of himself before thinking about the lives of his troop. That is not leadership, that is criminal in the court of public opinion.

George Rebane

Well, well now, it appears that we may be starting to make some progress on the Great Divide (q.v.). Both sides here seem to see a positive aspect to an issue that is not new since Obama first took office.

Let me suggest that we start by agreeing that it's foolish to assess the country's sentiments by the dividing territory up by the electoral 'red' and 'blue' states. The blue folks concentrate themselves into dense urban areas and don't much know what to do with land, other than to deny people's access to it.

A most fair way to do a split would be to adopt a method that minimizes the resulting migration of people. That would keep almost all the 51% who voted (or would have voted) for Obama in place. And it would also keep the remaining 49% in place, requiring minor migrations of people who are bent on living in a more cohesive ideological environment. We could even straighten out some boundaries if necessary.

And the whole affair need not end the US of A, but merely divide it into a confederacy of two major regions that could still join at the federal level. The federal level would, of course, implement the minimal number of functions having mostly to do with security and foreign policy.

Bottom line is, we would be deliriously happy to have all of those 61,944,375 people go off to generate their own wealth and govern themselves. Hallelujah!

Todd Juvinall

Anyone have the red blue breakout of the Presidential vote by Congressional District?

George Rebane

PaulE 1145am - You have a great ability for off-point summarization. The legality of Iran-Contra is still debated - trading arms for hostages was against US policy, not law. And such policy is made by the Executive Branch. But let's posit that it was illegal in the complex aspects covered by the indictments.

However, the 'legality of Benghazi' cannot yet be determined. Even if it involved a surreptitious sale/transfer of weapons to Syrian rebels, that would not be illegal per se; Presidents Obama and Reagan should have equal ability to do such things if they thought it in the best interests of America. Bringing in some congressional leadership in both cases would have been more prudent.

But to me the Benghazi Bamboozle is what Obama did in response to and in the aftermath of the terrorist attacks there on 11 September last. His response to requests for security, response to requests for aid during the attack, his organization of a conspiracy to lie to Congress and the American people, it is these instances that, in my opinion, constitute impeachable offenses. And if it turns out that the 'October Surprise' was supposed to have included the resolution of a contrived kidnapping of our ambassador or other Americans, then that was definitely illegal.

We should now see how all this plays out, especially with the 'interesting' timing and revelations connected with the Petraeus resignation. Thoughts?

Walt

Isn't it convenient that several high profile issues were kept under the Liberal rock until after the Messiah got his damp socks changed? Any one of these new revelations would have changed voters minds. So much for that "transparency" we keep hearing about.
And nothing has been done in response to the 911(2) attack.
But I'm sure more apologies are on the horizon.

Now , today, things are about to boil over in and around Israel.
The exchange of rockets and artillery has started.
Oummer will throw Israel under the bus as sure as the Sun will come up in the morning.
Remember. "O" claims no Jewish blood.( but he does have Muslim blood) So we know just where his allegiance lies.

Jesus Betterman

So you've got a "safe house" which is doubling as a cover for an arms shipping point in support of US policy towards Syria, and it gets attacked with the US ambassador inside, and so you're going to tell the world the full story about this instantly, while the rebels in Syria still need help? You've got to be kidding! Which side are you on?

Jesus Betterman

BTW, Walt there are folks in Penntucky on FB within my circles who are complaining about all the gunfire.

George Rebane

JesusB 351pm - that would only be a concern if you were convinced that Al Qaeda was also willing to keep the purpose of the safe house a secret so it would not harm US interests, since Al Qaeda obviously knew the location and function of the safe house they attacked.

Given the number of their factions and interests involved, there is very little that is a secret about Syrian rebels getting arms and other help from other countries.

Jesus Betterman

As fa as I know, Al Qaeda has made no noises about the clandestine function of the safe house. Do you know otherwise?

George Rebane

JesusB 408pm - what kind of noises would you have expected them to make?

Michael Anderson

The best thing about the "Benghazi Surprise" is that it had no effect on the presidential election. Well played, doncha think??

L

Nutzo has a great idea, endorsed by Dr. Rebane, but Todd is onto the real deal. Divide it up by, not state, but county. That way not too many people get enslaved who don't deserve it. 'Course the Blues might have trouble finding feed and fuel, but maybe they can eat lawyers and live on solar and wind. Unfortunately the new, Blue America doesn't get Yosemite, the redwoods, or even the best MJ areas, all of which are inhabited by the misnamed "reds." They get to live in the mess they have made of urban America; and they're welcome to it.

George Rebane

MichaelA 936pm - perfectly played.

Jesus Betterman

You are the one claiming that there is a big coverup due to it being an arms running safe house, and generally, if it will hurt the USA, Al Qaeda would do it, in this case, broadcast far and wide that the house was being used to smuggle arms to Syria. They haven't done that, therefore it was not being used for any such purpose, no?

Jesus Betterman

Since automation will continue to decimate jobs well into the foreseeable future, perhaps the simplest way to establish a permanent and on-going fund for the unemployed would be to establish a fund by collecting 1/2 of the return that goes to investors, and requiring all corporations to pay dividends equal to at least ½ of the money that is otherwise reinvested in a company. The funds collected would allow the government to hire folks keep the commons clean, everywhere, and to pay extra for folks who can contribute in more the more scare skills areas, like those trained enough to help in the intake areas of ER's, etc. Of course some corporations might choose to disband themselves, but others would surely fill in the holes.

With ideas like these in play, maybe the better course of valor is for the Republicans to play ball with the more restrained requests of the Dems in power.

Billy T

Mr. Betterman. Why establish a permanent and on going fund for the unemployed in the first place? We already have one. Have you lost your mind again? Pay people for doing nothing? You pay people to do nothing and they will do exactly that. Establish a fund for that? Nay, give them 2-3 weeks of a couple of hundred clams per week and then no more. That's all folks.. Nothing permanent under the sun. Ever. Ok, we can put them to work scrubbing toilets in the ER waiting room and picking up cig butts outside our homeless camps. Wait, the homeless already pick up all the butts on the ground. Maybe have them wash and polish highway signs or go out and pull poison oak along our highways and by ways. Have them yank up thistle and crab grass as well. They can always meet me on the job and lick the sweat off my scrotum as I perform my tasks. That will get them off the "permanent unemployed" classification lickity-split.

Jesus Betterman

You don't get it Billy, if you permanently disemploy a subsizable portion of the country, then you are losing customers, and you are most likely looking to increase the jail population beyond the ability for even a 1% class that is selling goods abroad at a high pace to sustain. Plus it looks bad for national prestige to lock up that many folks, and is hard to explain to your kids, who may see the obvious extremes of unfairness better than you do.

But then, maybe you'll welcome the laws that limit truck drivers, underpaid and drugged up, from using the freeways during the daytime hours, and worse, so that the 1% can safely get around to their vacation homes. if we pamper the 1% with bend over country and take it in the rear laws as we are now asked to do so by the 1% political coalition, you can bet other such laws are on their way. I understand Boehner's getting a taste of it a bit himself, after declaring, "no Tea Party Caucus." They're tweeting the twit out of him.

Ryan Mount

Other ideas that would reap more benefit than "requiring all corporations to pay dividends equal to at least ½ of the money that is otherwise reinvested in a company:"

- playing with a Bic lighter while filling your car up with gasoline
- smearing yourself with peanut butter and running through an Alaskan Polar Bear reserve shouting, "save the polar bears."
- Watching Dr. Oz, even while stoned and/or drunk
- Telling a Utah State Trooper that you have a CA script to carry that "weed" in the back of your Subaru.

If you take away investment incentives, companies stop investing. If you force companies to have health insurance against their business models, unless one is McDonald's of course with "waivers," they are going to convert all their employees to work exactly 27.5 hours/week. Incentives. Incentives. Incentives. Maybe we should force TGI Friday's to require full employment? While we're at it, perhaps we can force them to have something non-ridiculous on the menu.

Todd Juvinall

I am still trying to find where it says in the Constitution where the government can tell me they have a right to interfere with my contract regarding my employees. Like the EEOC and all the other alphabet agencies. Where is that?

Russ Steele

Here is another view of our political division by Joel Kotkin, five political nations:

Looking at Tuesday’s election results, it’s clear the United States has morphed into five distinct political nations. In political terms there are two solid blue nations, perched on opposite coasts, that have formed a large and powerful bloc. Opposing them are two almost equally red countries, which include the historic Confederacy as well as the vast open reaches between the Texas panhandle and the Canadian border. Between these two largely immovable blocs stands the fifth nation – essentially the Great Lakes industrial heartland. By winning this territory – which could be called “Bailout Nation” – President Barack Obama built a winning coalition. Though this part of the country has suffered economic decline and demographic stagnation for decades, it is now emerging, as former President George W. Bush would put it, as “the decider” of America’s political fate. --Joel Kotkin, Reuters, 8 November 2012

Ryan Mount

> as “the decider” of America’s political fate

The figurative Simon Cowell in this American Idol spectacle.

Steve Frisch

I am still trying to find where it says in the Constitution where the government can tell me they have a right to interfere with my contract regarding my employees. Like the EEOC and all the other alphabet agencies. Where is that?

Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 12 November 2012 at 07:08 AM

The answer Todd is look to the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment.

Billy T

Mr. Betterman, I do get it. Change is a'coming and a hard wind is going to blow. What I don't like is your obsession with the 1%. Obama's stick it to the rich wet dream will only reduce the deficit 7%. Nope, that won't hold all the future hordes for stealing and robbing and stomping on people's feet. There are other ways which as be discussed endlessly on these pages.

I am 100% on board with Mr. Mount's caution about taking away investment incentives. Taking half of a company's reinvestment monies will produce the opposite effect you desire, especially if you include R&D in the mix. Companies are holding back on investments as we speak and when they do decide it is time to build new factories, new facilities, new equipment, fleets of new vehicles and other organic expenditures for growth....there will be some bozo standing in the wings taking half of that investment money to hire people to sweep up the round-Dee-bout.

Shoot, it has to be 15-20 years ago that Chevron announced it takes 19 million in new equipment to hire one employee. No doubt you want half of the investment money and put some poor working stiff on the streets with those who lie, steal, cheat and stomp on people's feet. Shame, shame. Or leave Chevron with a half employee to fit your half baked solutions. Yep, they can lick the sweat off my scrotum.

Todd Juvinall

The Equal Protection Clause has nothing to do with the contract I have with my employees. Try again.

Ryan Mount

Steve, although I do agree that the 14th Amendment seems to trump that relationship, the language is pretty specific in targeting the government's* (lit. the State) relationship with its citizens, rather than the citizen to citizen discrimination. Of course we could just say the government is the actual citizens, thereby the 14th applies to every beating heart.

More specifically, whether one agrees with this or not, this goes back to Kennedy and the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (specifically Title 2, the "Injunctive Relief Against Discrimination In Places Of Public Accommodation"**) signed by Johnson. It was the first place where the public (and the State) and private property relationship became explicitly mutable. For example, you couldn't deny a person a seat at the restaurant because they were African-American.

This all was done under the guise of the Interstate Commerce clause of of the Constitution, in the spirit of 14th Amendment Steve notes. Both were important.

So as long as you (Todd) aren't discriminating against employees (not saying you do) based on gender, race, etc. AND you're not violating any laws by prescribing, say, how to vote on an election, then it's all good. The government generally doesn't care.

*Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


**http://www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?flash=true&doc=97&page=transcript

Ryan Mount

Todd, see my note. It's more complicated than the 14th Amendment.

Billy T

Mr. Steele, your observations are spot on. The Rust Belt is the new decider. Folks that left the cotton fields back home to work in Detroit City are now ground zero in choosing our next President.

I am saddened that only 50% of the adults bothered to vote. Looks like half of half is all it takes to get to ride on Air Force One. Just the way it is. Or perhaps Americans had their voice heard by not voting for either candidate, lol.

Perhaps in this Multikulti spirit, the Republicans can extend the olive branch to the elitists and embrace some of the finer things in life those in the Ivory Towers prefer. Might soothe the savage beast and satisfy the discriminating palate.

http://3rednecktenors.com/

George Rebane

JesusB 1003pm – Doug, please re-read my 254pm before further forays into what you misconstrue as my ‘claims’ about Benghazi. Bad thinking.

And your 1116pm doesn’t show a smidgeon of understanding how investment, capitalism, and human nature work. Implementing “ideas like these” would simply shut down private ownership of the enterprises involved. Their subsequent operation by government will yield a replay of Soviet economics.

Your 416am shows that you are still suffering from the belief that the wealth of the 1% is that unjustly ripped from the just rewards of the poor. There is little that can be done to alter your worldview here – readings from history and the arguments presented on RR have made no mark on your armor as a class warrior.

SteveF 803am – The interpretation of the 14th amendment you cite, once started, has no logical ending save total state sponsored slavery, equally applied. People of your faith have trouble with the see-saw concept of liberty and equality – they cannot be increased concurrently. ToddJ’s 708am stands.

Mikey McD

Love to hear a progressive chime in on the atrocity. I will check in after I drive by the brand new (unneeded) CHP headquarters and (unneeded) CALFire headquarters...

To forcefully take money to pay for this kind of crap is not moral.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/nov/11/picture-this-cabinet-portraits-for-big-bucks/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS#.UKErYJSDdPE.twitter

Jesus Betterman

Since all companies, domestic and foreign, wishing to do business in the USA will be subject to the same lifeline fees, R&D and investment will go on, and the rich will still get richer, just more slowly.

Steve Frisch

Jeez Todd, I think you need to study up on constitutional law. Your example was specific to the EOEC and its impacts. I think Ryan did a good job of describing that above. I would have gone into more detail, but clearly from your response it would have been a waste of time. .

Ryan Mount

George-

It's not the 14th Amendment per se, it's the laws that were drafted and enacted on top of it starting with the 1964 Civil Rights Act. There are other that followed. Some new, some amending the 1964 Act including the 1990 ADA and the most recent 2009 Lilly Ledbetter Equal Pay act that had nothing to do with equal pay, from my reading of Senate Bill 181.

Everyone is free to challenge the laws in court based on their Constitutionality. Now might be a good time with the Robert's court.

Steve-

I think this gets right at the heart of Multicuturalism. You can trace the rise of Multiculturalism to the 50s/60s in the field of Anthropology and Sociology (the structuralists in particular), when we collectively [gasp] realized for the first time, that just because one still hunted with arrows and cooked over fire, didn't make them any less "smart" that people who developed radar ranges and power steering pumps.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was an attempt to formalize multiculturalism into law.

Doug-

They may get richer either way. My guess is it won't be in this country.

Todd Juvinall

Where is it enumerated in the Foundling enumerated documents the contract I have with my employee is written? Come on SteveF, put it here for all to see.

George Rebane

RyanM 925am - I did not cite the 14th amendment as the justification for government's ingress into contractual relationships, SteveF did. My 904am point to SteveF was about the interpretation of the 14th (that he cited) to justify a laundry list of laws providing for government's intrusion into private lives and affairs.

Ryan Mount

It's more than the Constitution. We're also required to follow laws created by the Congress and signed by the President. Well, no has to do anything, but there are consequences for failing to put in wheelchair ramps at your diner. Those laws are created and signed in rather arguable good faith with the Constitution.

And because the Founders were a lot smarter than me (I would have just created some kind of benevolent dictatorship modeled after my railroad-working Father), they put in a third branch that can give the other two the middle finger. Take it to court, however I suspect some resignation from the Classical Liberals with that in mind. Can't say I blame ya.

We have really a great system. Well, as good as it can get providing each Federal branch keeps an adversarial stance towards the others. Heaven forbid they actually start working together. (not being sarcastic for once)

Walt B

Signs of vote tampering are now starting to rear it's ugly head.
In many a precinct Mitt didn't get one single vote. Even out of tens of thounds of voters? (But a third party gets some?) Naaa... No monkey business and vote screwing. Only Progressives would think that wouldn't happen.

Walt B

More of the "transparent as mud" administration signs bubble to the top of the scum bath.

"The name Richard Windsor may sound innocuous, but it is allegedly one of the secret “alias” email accounts used by Obama EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson.

“That is the name — sorry, one of the alias names — used by Obama’s radical EPA chief to keep her email from those who ask for it,” Chris Horner, senior fellow at the Competitive Enterprise Institute and author of the new book “The Liberal War on on Transparency,” told the Daily Caller News Foundation in an email."


Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/12/epa-chiefs-secret-alias-email-account-revealed/#ixzz2C2NL04yN

The corruption continues wholesale.

Get used to the high fuel prices. This is just what "O" and the ECO lunatics wanted.
More drilling is one more lie from "O". The news is out about pulling the permits for tens of thousands of acres of FED land.

Soon we all will be like " Sandy" victims in line with fuel cans.

Steve Enos

Energy production in the USA? Well news flash...

The U.S. will become the world’s top producer of oil within five years, a net exporter of the fuel around 2030 and nearly self-sufficient in energy by 2035, according to a new report from the International Energy Agency.

Here's the details for those that are not informed and only want to rant factless BS:

http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-u.s.-oil-producer-saudi-arabia-iea-20121112,0,6181922.story

Todd Juvinall

The Constitution is specific when it comes to interfering with contracts. That is why the 14th is not applicable. The 14th has to do with our personal interaction with government, not each other. The EEOC is truly an abomination of the Constitution. Frisch is wrong again.

"The Contract Clause appears in the United States Constitution, Article I, section 10, clause 1. It states:

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility."

Ryan Mount

Right Todd, which is why some people objected to the Civil Rights Act of 1964 or subsequent laws and amendments. I find the 1990 ADA especially onerous not for its intentions, but they way it's enforced.

Challenges to the 1964 and subsequent laws have not gone well for challengers in the courts. The most recent battle has been over "private" organizations and clubs which have been mostly exempt from Civil Rights Laws. The Boy Scouts come to mind.

But as an employer, the Government is not interfering with one's contracts insofar as they are deemed lawful. Laws are an expression of the enumerated rights in the Constitution. They are not separate from them (rights) and can be challenged at any time in the courts.

For a hypothetical example, an "old shouting fire in a crowded theater argument": it would be in the People's interest if in your contractual agreements one wrote had discriminatory language that prevented, say, a minority from getting hired, as per the Civil Rights Act and Equal Employment Act later in the decade. Or if there were addendum(s) in a Contract that forbid one from doing business with, I dunno, Presbyterians. (I would not recommend crossing a Presbyterian. Oh they're reserved,but their roots are of a feisty Scots nature.)

All of this is due to an admitted liberal interpretation of the 14th Amendment's Section 1, quoted above.

Todd Juvinall

Ryan, thanks for trying to make sense of something that is only in practice because of a PC interpretation by the courts of a very simple Article.

My point is not the issue of discrimination, but of freedom to "associate" with whomever I please and to hire and pay whomever I want. I did not make the government my partner so how they have morphed the laws into making me their enforcement arm on discrimination and collector of my employees payroll taxes is fascinating. We have allowed this. Just as the Dredd Scott decision was wrong, so are these liberal interpretations of simple laws in the Founding docs.

Billy T

Hey, there is no plan nor SERIOUS intention to reduce the size and scope of government. That is why Keach and everybody are turning over rocks, even the lowly lowest rocks looking for money. They think the 1%ers will add more to the Treasury or the millionaires or those making 250/k a year, or 50k. Somebody else has to pay for the ride and you can't get blood from a turnip. Yep, that will pay for an ever increasing every growing government, NOT! Arguments are now a waste of time.

Government is like fire. It only consumes, is never satisfied, and does not contain one ounce of compassion. It is self serving and needs to be constantly fed to quell temporarily its unquenchable appetite.

The rest is just horse pucky. Did a general poke his a female friend? 14th Amendment? These are merely diversions. The debt will grow and grow and the ship is sinking.

I am sooo depressed. Don't see a ray of hope. Next verse same as the first. The South will not rise again and we are not in Kansas anymore. The Great Divide is now a mute point. It has gotten down to be all about money. And the tax man is coming form every level of government to justify their jobs. President Obama on the last days of the campaign said "You all know what change looks like". Yes we do Mr. President. It looks like a rotten carcass.

Paul Emery

Billy T

Your depression must hing on Romney losing the election. Given the recent history of the Repubs reckless spending and spiriling defecit do you really think his election would have made a difference? The pre bush tax rates led to a balanced budget. Also we didn't have unfunded, unnecessary and unconstitutional wars to pay for.

D. King

Maybe off topic.

Russ- You may want to watch this before you shut things down!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCz3H5paADQ

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