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06 January 2013

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Douglas Keachie

Welcome to Idiocracy! No birth control/abortions/sterilization allowed, biggest contributor to the dumbing down of USA ever.

Next time we will reward boys and girls for not having babies so young, and becoming better educated instead.

George Rebane

DougK 1058am - you are again flying in the fog Doug. Where is this land where there have been "No birth control/abortions/sterilization allowed"?

But maybe your "idiocracy" is not that far off base. One could even posit that we definitely are an ineptocracy defined as
"a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers."

Steve Frisch

"Finally, we note the celebratory tone of progressives telling the country that Congress is now beginning to look more and more like America. These astute observers of the Left are, of course, on the mark. Translating the statistics from the Dept of Education, we can easily accept that half of them have two-digit IQs, 40% are functionally illiterate, almost all are totally innumerate, and only about one in twenty can reliably determine the intent of a written paragraph."

I am wondering if anyone doesn't see the dog whistle in that statement? Of course by saying that Congress looks more like America, what people are pointing out is that it is more culturally, ethnically and gender diverse. George deftly turns that around using purported statistics on intelligence, literacy and numeracy to point out that they are also stupid; leaving the reader to draw the analogy between stupid and diverse. I mean really Mr. Paul Emery, don't you see that this is precisely what I have been talking about for a few years...the masterful use of propaganda to promote racism and sexism?

No...as long as people have plausible deniability they are cool apparently :)

Russ Steele

Steven@11:18AM

Thank you Steven for demonstrating once again that when liberals have no good answers for the issues under examination, the proposer of those issues must be a labeled a homophobe, a sexist or worse a conservative bigot. On these pages your are the only one that is mentally nimble and astute enough to find those damming “dog whistles”. Why is that?

That Congress is highly innumerate is demonstrated every day on the news and on the blogs. And after listening to them attempt to answer simple straight forward questions that only required a yes of no answer one must conclude that they are functionally illiterate as well. And, I am not pointing to just Democrats, thought they seem to have the edge, but Republicans as well.

Douglas Keachie

My good answer to the issue under discussion was to donate $77.77 to Dr. Ami Bera's campaign against Dan Lungren. I rather think that action helped up the IQ average in Congress.

Douglas Keachie

Le's put it this way, George, if the money spent on "Just Say No" had instead been spent on incentives to go to school, not get pregnant, and how not to get pregnant, we'd have a smarter population. BTW, I assume everyone as seen the movie, "Idiocracy?"

Steve Frisch

Posted by: Russ Steele | 06 January 2013 at 11:47 AM

Russ, I am intentionally choosing not to take on any of the other issues in George's post. If I did it would just be joining in your psuedo-intellectual circle jerk as I have pointed out previously.

i am not the only one who sees the connections, others do, and point it out to me whenever the topic of this blog comes up in conversation. They simply vote with their fingers rather than chose to engage here in the Quixotic fight against intolerance that I occasionally engage in. You not seeing it is simply further evidence of the confirmation bias that afflicts any group of like minded sycophants gathered to share their 'thoughts'.

The semantic game George is engaged in really is this simple: Congress is more diverse--Congress is more stupid--draw your own conclusion. He gets to deny his intended connection and maintain the veneer of a civilized western man.

Gregory

"psuedo-intellectual [sic] circle jerk" - says Frisch

"Don't write naughty words on walls if you can't spell" - sang Tom Lehrer

I suspect the local "psuedo-intellectual" in-Chef didn't intend the self parody. The dog whistle Frisch doesn't notice is the group identity politics that his team thrives on. Steve, from gun control to health care to budget battles, you come down hard on the partisan Democrat line every time; do you still cling to your delusion that you're somehow a "moderate"?


It's unclear to me how many more white and brown babies growing in poor women would need to be killed for the positive eugenic outcome Keachie seems to be hoping for. To date, I suspect the actual results falls far short of Margaret Sanger's hopes for Planned Parenthood.


Steve Frisch

Greg, I actually don't come down on the hard line every time--let me give you a few examples:

1) I support CEQA reform and other regulatory reforms
2) I support a number of development proposals that our local enviros consider sacrilege
3) I supported most of the proposals in Simpson-Bowles
4) I support CA pension reform based on blending in a defined contribution plan
5) I support raising the eligibility age for Medicare
6) I support raising the retirement age for Social Security
7) I support repeal of the Patriot Act (where I agree with Libertarians)
8) I support restructuring the military under a rapid deployment model (like Donald Rumsfeld did)

Truth is, I am quite moderate, you just have a hard on for busting my chops.

And sorry I did not spell check...its not that often I get to use the words circle-JERK. :)

Gregory

There's no hyphen in "circle jerk", Steve, and this bipartisanship you claim doesn't count when there's no real contest at stake. Otherwise it's just more of your usual self-serving empty rhetoric. So you're siding with Republicans sometimes, as long as it isn't part of a real bill the R's want that D's are trying to kill.

On your way to Washington? DiFi's announced the 22nd is the big day and you made it clear you'd be lobbying for it, whatever it was.

Steve Frisch

Greg, you don't know your a** from a hole in the ground. I have, and SBC has, supported numerous pieces of legislation at the state level endorsed by Republicans and opposed by Democrats..including in the last year CEQA reform and pension reform. When is the last time you worked the state Capital advocating for a specific piece of legislation? I'm doing it the 14th, 22nd and 31st this month. You just can't stand being completely wrong can you? The hyphen stands for your little lingam.

And you better bet I will be lobbying personally for gun control.....SBC won't...it is not an SBC issue.

Steve Frisch

What do you do Greg, sit on the couch unemployed and play with your computer?

Gregory

I'm watching football, Steve. What are you doing?

A question... the Sandy Hook School professional staff was 98% female... does that look like America?

Gregory

BTW legislation that suits the SBC rent-seeking should be excluded from those accounts of yours.

Steve Frisch

I'm watching football too! I am sure the Sandy Hook teachers and administrators were thinking about their gender as they bravely laid down their lives to save their children. If only half the men I know were so brave or so honorable.

Steve Frisch

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

You don;t like it Greg move to Oklahoma and succeed from the Union!

Gregory

" succeed [sic] from the Union"?

You're really firing on all thrusters, Steve.

So, you think it's OK for public entities to be 98% lopsided in gender? Would 98% male be OK? What about 98% white when about half the local population was black and equally qualified?

Gregory

Redskins started strong, Seattle ended strong.

BTW Steven Frisch, CEO of the wretchedly misnamed Sierra Business Council, thanks for your tacit admission at 4:22 that your bouts of bipartisanship were part of your professional rent-seeking, and that your upcoming lobbying for Feynstein's latest gun ban legislation is somehow entirely separate from your SBC work. Just talking to the same people wearing a different hat so they know the difference?

Gregory

Sorry, my last note was meant to call out Frisch's 4:15, not my 4:22.

Paul Emery

George writes

"Even Republicans appear to have thrown in the towel because they have to attract the youth, homosexuals, women, Latinos, lame, infirm, union members, retirees, …, don’t they?"

Yep, add blacks and Asians. That about covers it except for White males over 25. And they also have a long ways to go when it comes to the "numeracy" of how to win elections.

Gregory

Paul, sorry, even Romney got 53% of all women of all races, creeds and national origins... who were married. It's unmarried women who went for Obama. The pushing for free, with no copay, abortions and contraceptives of their choice was probably a big part of that.

Paul Emery

So what? Here's the awful truth about the womans vote. Obama won by 11%

The Obama campaign's heavy focus on women's issues for the past year paid off in a big way on Tuesday night, resulting in an 18-point gender gap that largely contributed to the president's reelection.

According to CNN's exit polls, 55 percent of women voted for Obama, while only 44 percent voted for Mitt Romney. Men preferred Romney by a margin of 52 to 45 percent, and women made up about 54 percent of the electorate. In total, the gender gap on Tuesday added up to 18 percent -- a significantly wider margin than the 12-point gender gap in the 2008 election.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/07/gender-gap-2012-election-obama_n_2086004.html

Gregory

So what?

Married women are women too. They tend to be the bedrock of the community, and it doesn't fit your narrative.

Moving along, Obama campaigned on $3 in cuts for every $1 in new taxes... where did that go? And he promised he wouldn't be working to take away the people's rifles, shotguns and handguns.

Steve Frisch

Greg, you are a pill. I get to be a citizen, I don't have to check that hat at the door. I get to exercise my 1st amendment rights; you can call it whatever you want, what you think is irrelevant, and I love the fact that it pisses you off.

And by the way, I guess women put Obama over the top. Great. Hope it chaps your misogynistic hide.

Paul Emery


Gregory


I think you have a numeracy problem when it comes to elections. You win by getting votes, right. The subtext isn't important. Either that or you are a genetic Republican that can't comprehend a losing strategy.

Paul Emery

By the way, don't ask me to defend Obama. I didn't vote for him.

Gregory

Happily mixing metaphors, the pill is calling the kettle black, I didn't vote for Romney and I've never been a Republican or a Conservative. I realize it galls you, Frisch, but I also have some basic freedoms, and some of those involve pointing out your choices. You want to keep your lobbying for gun bans completely separate from your work at SBC? Good luck with that.

Paul, your narrative is that the GOP is all washed up, but they remain in control of the House, and 60% of the governorships. The next election probably won't have such a fawning press for the Democrat, especially if Ms. Clinton has continued health problems; that's a traditional weak spot for the Presidential race. If she doesn't run it will be wide open.

Gregory

Here's a good one: "In the past quarter century, we exposed biases against other races and called it racism, and we exposed biases against women and called it sexism. Biases against men we call humor".
—Warren Farrell, Women Can't Hear What Men Don't Say


Frisch, as far as I can tell, accuses me of misogny because I pointed out the apparent *misandry* of one particular elementary school. If it was any other class of people being nearly completely excluded from good paying jobs with good benefits by a public employer, I've no doubt Frisch would be screaming bloody murder.

That was a school the shooter attended, and that's the school he shot up. I doubt it's unrelated to the shooter's motivation, and such obvious discrimination by a school administration would never be accepted for any other group.


L

Steve, I heard no "dog whistles," just a simple lament over how things are. In what way is the incoming Congress any more "diverse" than, say, a year ago? Except perhaps by having a black Senator who is quite obviously an affirmative action pick..

Greg, the male/female make-up of the staff at Sandy Hook is unlikely to be an example of anti-male bias; it reflects, perhaps, gender-based decision making processes, put hardly discrimination. L

Gregory

Ahh, "gender-based decision making processes". So it was just women being more comfortable hiring women?

You are making a joke, right?

Todd Juvinall

The left used every smear tactic in the book against Romney yet not a word as to it. Then they jump all over anyone who says a thing about O and his moron voters. Frisch is the best example of the moron voter.

L

Sorry I didn't make myself clear, Greg. I meant decisions on the part of the teachers doing the teaching, not the people doing the hiring. I don't know how many men choose to teach at elementary schools, but even sixty years ago in my own education, there were virtually zero below about 7th grade. Sandy Hook doesn't appear to be much of an outlier. L

Paul Emery

Gregory | 06 January 2013 at 07:21 PM

The only way the Pubbers can win the Pres election is if they run a middle of the road candidate. If the TP's are still a force there will be blood to prevent that.

Ryan Mount

I'm having a great deal of difficulty (I'm usually pretty good at this) finding any executive order from Obama that prescribes any changes to the canon whereby "government pamphlets" are to replace Prince Hamlet.

And the Straw Man that PJ Media as well as other outlets who took the twice told talking point, "Executive Order 13423" was actually drafted and signed by Bush II in 2007. Maybe Obama has time traveling abilities?

I've attempted to research "Common Core" and all I get is tin-foil hat people linking Obama, Executive Order 13423 and Common Core.

Can someone, please, provide a reliable first source reference to this rather spectacular claim that Obama wants to substitute How to use Plastic Grocery Bags for John Knowles' A Separate Peace?

I've visited this site:

http://www.corestandards.org/resources

And found nothing but vague and useless language.

Note: this is a pet issue of mine. If these allegations are true, I will be furious.

Gregory

"L", the elementary school staff in my distant past was about one-third male. About a decade and a half later it had changed to a 4-7 middle school; About half of the administration was male, and at least a quarter of the instructional staff was male.

If you find a school that's virtually testosterone free, there's something wrong, and if this was a black-white disparity, or with women getting the short end of the stick, the usual suspects would be all over it with one or another affirmative action plan.


Gregory

Paul, how is "Pubbers" different from any other bigoted denigration? Is that really necessary from someone who is the "News Director" of the "Voice of the Community", with a grant to use a slice of the public airwaves?

Douglas Keacie

Hillside Elementary School, early 1950's

Mrs. Maslin, Principal

Mrs. White, kindergarten
Mrs. Gustafson, 1st
Miss Quino, 2nd
Mrs. Nemachek, 3rd
Mrs. Somebody, 4th
Mrs. Somebodyelse, 5th
Mrs. Marleove, 6th

In Germany, Mr. Mann, 5th&6th

Garfield Jr High
Mr. Pearl, Homeroom and art
Mr. Lewis, math
Miss Somebody, music
Mr. Gomez, PE
Mr Carlson, Science,
Mrs. McCurdy, the monkey lady, Latin
Mr. & Miss and Mrs. various English teachers

and so on. I can recall that as a career path, for a guy, becoming an elementary school teacher is not something would admit to as a desire, all the way through high school. Sidenote, it was fun to learn years later that some of my best teachers, male and female, were gay. Didn't even learn of the notion until college.

George Rebane

Re male elementary school teachers. I had four memorable ones when I attended Ben Davis Elementary School on the west side of Indianapolis during 1951-53. The first one (whose name I don't remember) was an amputee who had lost his left arm in a corn picker as a kid and taught science. He was a talented and cheerful teacher who used his stump in imaginative ways to make a teaching point. There was nothing disabled about him.

Then there was Mr Prada, a pure asshole of a teacher, worthless in class, a real sleeping pill. He also taught me that adults in high places are cruel and liars (teacher was a 'high place' in my eyes then). I drew an unflattering stick-figure picture of Dorothy Moore, a girl I really liked, and Prada saw me doing that and confiscated my art. He then said I would get a 'P' (today a D) in citizenship if I didn't stay after school and write 'I will not draw pictures of Dorothy Moore any more.' (will never forget that sentence) on the blackboard 500 times. I wore out many pieces of chalk and my arm, and was very late for my paper route that evening. The sumbich still gave me a P, and just chuckled when I saw my report card.

Then there was Mr Seaman, my 6th grade homeroom teacher, a big man who piloted B-29s in the Pacific, and taught us history and civics. Great teacher and someone not to be trifled with. One smartalecky kid got draped across the front row desk and was paddled in front of all of us. Paddling was de rigueur in those days. Fell in love with history. During the 1952 campaign he promised to vote for the side that gave the best stand-up talks promoting their candidate. My parents liked Ike, so I stood up for the next US President and spoke my piece. Memorable.

Finally, I come to Mr Finch, math teacher and the inspiration for my lifelong love of science and technology. He always had a twinkle in his eye and taught us the wonders of calculation. He would have the whole class go up to the blackboards (these covered three walls of classes in those days), and hold a calculation contest that would pit teams against teams and also individuals against each other. The prize was winning all the change he had in his pocket which he slapped on to his desk that signaled the start of another contest. Everyone, even the slow calculators, enjoyed these arithmetic jousts. And boy did we get to be good with numbers. (Yes, I've been pretty good at mental math ever since. It must have been all the Clark bars that I bought with my winnings after school;-) )

Russ Steele


Found on FACEBOOK:


After being interviewed by the school administration, the prospective teacher said:

'Let me see if I've got this right.

'You want me to go into that room with all those kids, correct their disruptive behavior, observe them for signs of abuse, monitor their dress habits, censor their T-shirt messages, and instill in them a love for learning.

'You want me to check their backpacks for weapons, wage war on drugs and sexually transmitted diseases, and raise their sense of self esteem and personal pride.

'You want me to teach them patriotism and good citizenship, sportsmanship and fair play, and how to register to vote, balance a checkbook, and apply for a job.

'You want me to check their heads for lice, recognize signs of antisocial behavior, and make sure that they all pass the final exams.

'You also want me to provide them with an equal education regardless of their handicaps, and communicate regularly with their parents in English, Spanish or any other language, by letter, telephone, newsletter, and report card.

'You want me to do all this with a piece of chalk, a blackboard, a bulletin board, a few books, a big smile, and a starting salary that qualifies me for food stamps.


'You want me to do all this, and then you tell me......

I CAN'T PRAY?'

Steve Frisch

Posted by: Russ Steele | 08 January 2013 at 06:50 PM

And you want me to carry a gun?

Gregory

George, it was a Mr.Gascon in the 5th grade who presented how to rationalize a repeating decimal, and it completely blew me away. Wow, you can torture equations and subtract one equation from another, like

10x = 6.666666...
x = .666666...
_________________
9x = 6.000000....
x = 2/3

A revelation that stuck with me. Joe Gascon died young, had a K-4 school named after him.

The principal was male, and the office staff was about half and half.

No Frisch, we don't want teachers to be forced to carry firearms, but those who want to should be able to get credentialed to do so, with all the heavy responsibilities that would go with it. Mr. Gascon was, iirc, a Korean War vet and I've no doubt he'd managed to have done so admirably though he may well have chosen not to.

Michael Anderson

Talk about a heavy landing!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVWADAAnBQA&feature=youtu.be

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