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10 February 2014

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Todd Juvinall

A caller on Rush made the point today that "income inequality" is now moot since there are not going to be any jobs, thus no income. Priceless.

Russ Steele

It will not be long before the folks in South Lake Tahoe will soon wish they never heard of an MRAP, let alone get one as a gift, as the maintenance and logistic cost are extremely high, just to keep the system running. The estimate service live of an MRAP is about 15 years, and procurement is only about 28 percent of the total cost of ownership. MRAP was procured under a Rapid Acquisition systems the logistics systems for long term support is very expensive and the DOD is looking to get rid of as many of these logistic nightmares as possible. So, what do they do, they unload them on as many unsuspecting communities as possible.

Who is going to maintain the systems? Who is going to buy the spare parts? What happens when are are no spare parts? Who is going to pay for the disposal of a vehicle that can no longer function? What is the budget for this gift? Tax payers in South Lake Tahoe should be concerned. They now own a very expensive pig in a poke.

Russ Steele

Training is Underway Against the 2nd Amendment Terrorist

Documents from an Ohio National Guard (ONG) training drill conducted last January reveal the details of a mock disaster where Second Amendment supporters with “anti-government” opinions were portrayed as domestic terrorists.

The ONG 52nd Civil Support Team training scenario involved a plot from local school district employees to use biological weapons in order to advance their beliefs about “protecting Gun Rights and Second Amendment rights.”

Portsmouth Chief of Police Bill Raisin told NBC 3 WSAZ-TV in Huntington, West Virginia that the drill accurately represented “the reality of the world we live in,” adding that such training “helps us all be prepared.”

Internal ONG documents provided to Media Trackers after repeated delays provide further context to what WSAZ-TV reported last winter.

In the disaster-preparedness scenario, two Portsmouth Junior High School employees poisoned school lunches with mustard gas, acting on orders from white-nationalist leader William Pierce.

The ONG team discovered biological weapons being produced in the school, requiring activation of containment and decontamination procedures.

Participants in the disaster drill located documents expressing the school employees’ “anti-government” sentiments, as well as a note identifying Pierce as the fictional right-wing terrorists’ leader.

ONG’s 52nd Civil Support Unit participated in a similar drill involving left-wing terrorists with Athens County first responders last year; public officials apologized for that training the next day in response to complaints from local environmentalist groups.

No apology to Ohioans who supported limited government and the Second Amendment appears to be forthcoming.

Scioto County Emergency Management Agency director Kim Carver refused to comment, telling Media Trackers she was “not going to get into an Ohio Army National Guard issue that you have with them.”

Ohio National Guard Communications Director James Sims II suggested Media Trackers was “inferring” from the ONG document’s contents as opposed to “what’s actually in the report.”

After excerpts of the report were read to him, Sims said it was “not relevant” to understand why conservatives may feel unduly targeted by ONG’s training scenario.

“Okay, I’m gonna stop ya there. I’m going to quit this conversation,” Sims concluded. “You have a good day.”

Buckeye Firearms Association spokesman Chad Baus told Media Trackers that “it is a scary day indeed when law enforcement are being trained that Second Amendment advocates are the enemy,”

Should we 2nd Amendment advocates be concerned?

George Rebane

RussS 845pm - Your analysis is correct. Our best hope is that these things will become dysfunctional relics before they are used against Americans opposing autocracy. But in the interval they may become budget busting costs to maintain by small dedicated teams of expensive mechanics.

RussS 907pm - Yes, definitely! Given the daily more restrictive regulations on gun ownership, designation of 'assault weapons', and the government mandated shortages of ammunition, the 2nd Amendment is being constructively abrogated before it will be repealed de juris.

Gregory

The SCOTUS may or may not be taking a case that hinges on what the right to bear arms might be... it hasn't been defined. It's now settled law that the right to keep guns, in your own home, is guaranteed in the Bill of Rights. Now they may be deciding if when the Convention drafted the 2nd, when they wrote "keep and bear" they really did mean "own and carry".

George Rebane

Gregory 933pm - Yes, I and many others before me believe that the right to "bear" arms does mean the right to "carry" them outside the confines of our homes. The Founders gave no evidence that they were given to cynical humor, prescribing constitutional rights to march around and carry our guns only within our living rooms.

Ben Emery

Moral Monday in North Carolina
http://billmoyers.com/2014/02/10/north-carolina%E2%80%99s-moral-monday-movement-kicks-off-2014-with-a-massive-rally-in-raleigh/

Gregory

Ya think? I recall Paul E asking me maybe a year ago if I thought the Black Panthers had the right to keep and bear arms openly like they did in the '60's and I hope he wasn't too surprised with my Absolutely!

Regarding Ohio's National Guard, they do have some history:

"Ohio"

"Tin soldiers and Nixon coming,
We're finally on our own.
This summer I hear the drumming,
Four dead in Ohio.

Gotta get down to it
Soldiers are cutting us down
Should have been done long ago.
What if you knew her
And found her dead on the ground
How can you run when you know?

Gotta get down to it
Soldiers are cutting us down
Should have been done long ago.
What if you knew her
And found her dead on the ground
How can you run when you know?

Tin soldiers and Nixon coming,
We're finally on our own.
This summer I hear the drumming,
Four dead in Ohio."

To be fair to the current ONG, they probably felt pressured to manufacture a right wing antagonist after their previous left wing-centered war game got the left's undies in a knot.

MikeL

Ben,

Since you and your spiritual leader, Bill Moyer are so concerned with racism, I was wondering what you thought about the clearly racist tanning bed tax in the Un Affordable Care Act.

Paul Emery

George

Does that mean you have the right to pack a Double Barrel to your local bar? How about an Uzi to football games or a pair of Six Guns to a July 4th parade?

Paul Emery

That's RE George 9:50

Ben Emery

Mickey,
I consider it equivalent to a cigarette tax. Tanning beds will increase melanomas therefore it makes sense to raise revenue to treat such avoidable dangers through the behavior itself.

http://www.skincancer.org/news/tanning/tanning-beds-who-issues-official-warning

It is really grasping at straws to call this a racist policy but I do recognize the chances for people of color going to tanning booth are extremely low.

Brad Croul

Mickey, it is a bummer that you might have to pay more to keep your base tan going through the winter. You could always buy a lawn chair and try sitting outside in the sun.

Re: MRAPS

They are surplus and can be had for free (according to Wiki). As a kid I was a big fan of the army surplus store in my neiboorhood.
I think Rough and Ready should apply for one!

Todd Juvinall

I want a MRAP! I loved the army surplus stuff I used to get at Swenson's. We played with that stuff for years in the 50's.

Regarding the tax on "tans". If the money went into melanoma research then I could see a correlation with the tax. But it goes into the "general fund" of ObamaCare and probably pays an exorbitant salary for some political payoff bureaucrat. What a world!

fish

Does that mean you have the right to pack a Double Barrel to your local bar? How about an Uzi to football games or a pair of Six Guns to a July 4th parade?

Are you saying there is not a right to do so?

George Rebane

PaulE 556am – Excellent question, and the short answer – YES! A law abiding citizen should be able to take his personal weapon into any (see below) public venue he desires. He will, of course, be responsible for their deportment – legal or illegal. Today more states are liberalizing their CCW laws, and millions of Americans are presumably packing discrete heat as a consequence. In days of yore it was quite common for gentlemen (and many ladies) to carry small pistols in their daily round as part of their normal ‘kit’. Consequently a maddened killer bursting in to murder someone in a public place was more often than not dispatched by onlookers before he could do much harm, and most certainly before the police arrived. That itself can explain the lack of such mass killings as we sometimes witness today when the killer knows he can kill with impunity.

Being able to carry any legally owned weapon openly in public doesn’t mean that people will. After all, there is a certain silliness to walking into a football stadium with a (semi-auto) Uzi strapped to your back. Displaying such firepower where others see no apparent need for it has other social drawbacks. In many states (e.g. California) such ‘open carry’ is considered ‘brandishing’ and is forbidden by law, but which I believe should be allowed. This especially so to make a statement when citizens of like mind gather peaceably to protest some government overreach.

Now I think it would be foolish to wear loaded six-guns in their traditional holsters to a crowded parade. The ability to control their whereabouts in a crowd is marginal at best. (As Officer of the Guard going through a packed NCO Club I once had a tipsy sergeant’s wife almost get my 45 out of its clasped holster. That would have been exciting.) I also believe that the owners of any private establishment/venue have the right to dictate rules for open carry on their property.

Liberals (genetically persuaded?) and others ignorant of guns and the use of personal weapons believe that legal possession of lethal force inevitably leads to its illegal use in private hands. They have little idea that a baseball bat, flashlight, pocket knife, or even a ballpoint pen can kill just as quickly (and more silently) than a 9mm parabellum semi-auto pistol. It again comes down to who decides to be a killer, and not whether he carries a weapon proscribed by the ignorant and/or the ideologue.

I hope this helps settle where I stand with respect to your obvious concerns.

Gregory

"Re: MRAPS

They are surplus and can be had for free (according to Wiki). As a kid I was a big fan of the army surplus store in my neiboorhood.
I think Rough and Ready should apply for one!" -Brad Croul

Remember, Henry Ford once said he'd be happy to give away cars if he could be guaranteed the business for replacement parts. Free for a monstrosity like that MRAP is not cheap.

fish

Posted by: George Rebane | 11 February 2014 at 10:53 AM


But George......gunz r icky!

fish

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http://www.infowars.com/homeland-security-to-purchase-141000-rounds-of-sniper-ammo/

Stevo......rebuttal?

Russ Steele

George, in reference to the update, Google and Dr Ray Kurzweil

Foxconn — the controversial Taiwanese company with manufacturing facilities throughout Asia — is known for assembling Apple iPhones and iPads, but it looks like it's been quietly working with Google too.

According to The Wall Street Journal, Foxconn recently met with Android founder Andy Rubin to discuss opportunities related to Google's budding robotics efforts.

Rubin reportedly told Foxconn it wants the facilities' mechanical engineering expertise to help integrate tech from a company Google is acquiring.

Google's interest in robotics has grown significantly in the past year — it acquired 8 robotics companies in 2013, including Boston Dynamics, which develops the Pentagon's mobile research robots. (Its robots can runner faster than any human).

The move comes as Foxconn aims to make its factory processes more automated in the face of increasing labor costs and workplace disputes, the report said. In fact, it's expected to use more robots in factories in the future.

More robots = fewer jobs for the unskilled, low skilled and moderate skilled worker. Foxconn has the manufacturing capacity to create millions of robotic devices. We are coming closer and closer to implementation of Dr Kurzweil's vision of the future.

George Rebane

RussS 1145am - thanks for that important update. RR has covered the remarkable robotic developments at Boston Dynamics over the years.
http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2009/10/and-now-on-two-legs.html

Gregory

Fish, I think Frisch stopped having fun when his posts backfired, hoist by his own petard.

Walt

Nice little quip there Paul, Nevermind the fact that your side of the fence
has done a fine job of redefining the words "keep and bear",, and have forgot
the meaning of " infringement" ( or redefined that as well) Is it only when
LIB ideals are getting trod upon does "infringement" come out of LIB mouths?
Unions think they have a Constitutional "right" to force people to pay them for the "honor" of a job.
Or using tax dollars to sue the taxpayers and businesses, all in the name of "critters" and "ECO". The ECO gang has a great scam working there...
No money out of pocket... Just send the bill to EPA, and us taxpayers foot the lawyer's bill.
Let's start infringing on that rigged "right".

Back to the subject of guns,, it seems someone has made a "workaround" of all the "scary parts" of an AR style firearm. Here in Ca. the idiot lawmakers who probably never fondled a gun in their lives, drew up laws out of thin air for "assault weapon"..
http://oag.ca.gov/firearms/regs/genchar2

Here is the "workaround" that defeats the "scary gun" laws.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/370733/manufacturers-change-look-ar-15-rifle-now-legal-new-york-state-charles-c-w-cooke
This is what real Americans do when government attacks. They "obey" the letter of the law, then build around the law.
I need to order that kit. With all the "anti scary" changes, I may be able to get rid of my "bullet button tool" to extract my magazine.


Paul Emery

So George it's a personal choice to bring a double barrel into a bar and have a couple of scotch and soda's after work. The rest of us have to accept that someone has a loaded firearm while they are having drinks. It's my rights as an American to pack and carry anywhere I want. There are already laws about CCW's. Do you propose they be eliminated? You write
"Being able to carry any legally owned weapon openly in public doesn’t mean that people will." Of course they will George. How can you be so naive. Does the bar owner have the right to restrict firearms in his business? What about his property rights? Thank goodness this view is held by so few. As much as I respect your reasoning on so many matters you are really off the charts on this one. Really, a loaded double barrel in a bar......

Todd Juvinall

A couple of our local officials had to go get CCW permits because of threats. PaulE, if you were getting death threats would you carry a weapon?

fish

Thank goodness this view is held by so few. As much as I respect your reasoning on so many matters you are really off the charts on this one. Really, a loaded double barrel in a bar......


Won't somebody help that feeble old man to his fainting couch.......

fish

Fish, I think Frisch stopped having fun when his posts backfired, hoist by his own petard.


Frisch accused the board at large of cowardice for inquiring about some of the more "questionable" purchases made by FEDGOV of late.....I like to think we had a productive discussion! ;-)


fish

"Does the bar owner have the right to restrict firearms in his business? What about his property rights?"


Posted by: George Rebane | 11 February 2014 at 10:53 AM

...I also believe that the owners of any private establishment/venue have the right to dictate rules for open carry on their property.

Reading comprehension......how do it work?

Paul Emery

Todd

I have no problem with CCW permits. Can you show me where I said otherwise?

Scott Obermuller

But Paul has no problem with folks exiting bars and driving. If you don't like the idea of some one in a bar with a firearm then leave and tell the barkeep why. The free market system solves all of these problems. Like most lefties, Paul has no comprehension of what is the most probable cause of his being harmed or killed. He fixates on 'scary' stuff that he doesn't like. Check out the statistics of weapons used in killings. Ever go to a bar where the patrons all have hands? One punch can and has on many occasions killed people. Maybe the real problem is anger management issues and alcoholism. I know it's boring and involves self control and value judgements, so it's a right-wing thing and possibly racist to boot.

Brad Croul

Gregory, yes, MRAP = metal box you throw money at.
I was imagining these boat anchors could be placed in parks for kids to play on. :)

Paul Emery

Scott

Do you believe that a bar owner or any business owner can have a no firearms rule in his business?

Walt

UHHhhh,,, didn't we have an issue a while back with a barkeep having a gun on premises? I don't recall the facts on why he had to "brandish" or "pull it",,
but I do recall the local cops trying to brand HIM as the criminal.

Just yesterday I read where a stanch anti gun clown got busted for packing heat on school grounds. " He forgot he had it on him." was the excuse. Now just how do you forget THAT?? Second,, what's a gun grabber doing packing heat in the first place? A little hypocritical if you ask me..
The lowhttp://dailycaller.com/2014/02/10/gun-stun-gun-control-activist-swears-he-forgot-he-was-carrying-gun-while-visiting-school/down is found here..

Paul Emery

Let me repeat my question to Walt as well:

Do you believe that a bar owner or any business owner can have a no firearms rule in his business?

Todd Juvinall

PaulE, I never questioned you about your position on CCW. Where did you get that?

Regarding the bar keep. Yes, a private business owner can decide what he/she will allow on their premises. This has been eroded over the years by courts claiming some sort of ridiculous "police powers" for the state to tell us what we can and cannot do with our own property. Smoking is the latest outrage along with rental housing.

If the bar owner places a sign sating no firearms allowed, that should be his prerogative.

Paul Emery

Todd

I just wanted to make it clear that I support the licensing system that allows concealed weapons permits as it exists today. There are very few examples of abuse or misuse of firearms in California from those properly screened and licensed. I'm sure that includes the examples you cited in your 12:55

George Rebane

PaulE 1242pm - not sure what your misunderstanding of my 1053am is. I think Mr fish in his 120pm highlighted it.

Scott Obermuller

Of course, Paul. I thought we sort of drove that one into the ground. Why do you think I wrote that if you didn't like being in a bar with an armed person to tell the barkeep why you were leaving?

Paul Emery

George

I was asking for a clarification if rights of a business or property owner trumps the right to carry (as you define it).

It's not clear from your 10:53. Todd expressed his views on the matter quite clearly.

Paul Emery

Scott-George

I was also referring to concealed carry as well. In other words can my business and private property be a no gun zone? Can I post a sign that says for example "You cannot enter this business if you are carrying a firearm."

George Rebane

PaulE 528pm - I don't believe that a private property owner should be able to keep out an individual with a legal CCW who is carrying a concealed weapon. The CCW person would create no intrusion on the sensibilities of the other visitors/attendees, and the person with criminal intent would ignore the prohibition in any event. This is the kind of "no gun zone" argument that makes all the sense in the world for progressives, and none whatsoever for conservatives.

Paul Emery

George

The requirements for a legal CCW as they exist today seem to work pretty well at least in California. As long as they are licensed under current regulations I have no problem since they are based on a need to carry so to speak and are vetted through a pretty serious background check. AS long as that system is in place I'm OK with this.

George Rebane

PaulE 652pm - Recall that you asked me about my beliefs, not what the current California CCW laws are. To the extent that private parties can restrict legal concealed carries, I believe them to be useless in their purported objectives and to violate 2nd Amendment rights.

Paul Emery

Right now a legal CCW must comply with State and Local laws so you are arguing that those restrictions are unconstitutional. So is a legal CCW based on you're personal view of the law and the Constitution or the current law of the land?

George Rebane

PaulE 759pm - not sure about the construction of your question. The current CCW laws are what they are across the several states. In my opinion, to the extent that permitted concealed carry is prohibited in selected venues by the government or private individuals, to that extent I hold them to be unconstitutional. In short, once you are vetted by the state for a CCW permit, you should be able to carry a concealed weapon anywhere within the jurisdiction of the vetting agency. This would still allow variations in how states construct and enforce their CCW laws. I, of course, am in favor of more than fewer guns in the hands of qualified citizens wherever they may find themselves.

Paul Emery

Thanks George for the clarification. Of course laws are Constitutional until successfully challenged so it's a moot point and personal opinion as to the Constitutionality of any law until vetted by the courts.

Bill Tozer

Dr. Rebane, this is one of your best posts. I must say I was waiting to see a discussion of the liberal mind on the topic or work and workers, aka, employment. Best short sentences I read in awhile from the post are:

"The continuing conundrum is the cognitive dissonance in the minds of collectivists when it comes to economics and human nature. The collectivist believes that attendant costs do not affect the behavior of humans and businesses; that members of each category will behave unchanged as costs – be they taxes or wages – go up or down. Therefore those considerations go by the board as the central planners fashion and implement public policies."

I can't make this short.. What every seeker of Utopia here on Earth misses is unchanged HUMAN NATURE. Whether you be left or right, human nature is so far above politics or government dictates. In the left's perfect world, there will be no greed, corruption, favoritism and everybody, and I do mean everybody, will all join hands and toe the line, right? Never happen. That is why police ticket motorists who are using their cell phones. People just do what people do.

As far as work and workers per the liberal mind, I don't need to look any farther than the President's very recent State of The Union Address. Raising minimum wage for Federal contractors only? Oh, that will rise people out of poverty. Gee, Mr. President, what about friggin jobs?

Our President went on to declare Equal Pay for equal work. Gee Mr. Shit For Brains President, haven't you heard of the 1963 Equal Pay Act, or Title 7, of even the Lilly Leadbuttom (or whatever that bill is called)Act that covered the same ground as your proclamation?

No use spouting that line "If you pay a man not to work, he will not work." No use saying if a person on the dole or partial dole gets an increase in income, that person will receive less after the subsidies disappear. That person will make up to the limit for the freebies and not a dime more. Whoever said people vote with their feet was correct.

The IRS always encourages tax payers to take advantage of every single tax deduction they can. Its on their web site and they even run PSA's about not paying more than you have to each and every year. But, when Mitt Romney discloses his tax returns, suddenly the libs go bonkers and Joe Biden thinks its unpatriotic. Never mind Romney could have taken more deductions. Never mind Bill Clinton wrote off his used dirty sticky underwear.....donation to some non profit, lol.

What does having the highest corporate tax rate do for the American worker? Hey, dummies, its called off shoring and out sourcing. What does Joe Blow do when his taxes increase??? Why he moves around to another locale. Our work force is mobile. Libs just don't get it so its a waste of time.

So, Mr. President, your jobs push is the 1963 Equal Pay for Equal Work Act or raising the minimum wage for Federal Contractors' employees and nobody else?? Great speech, you bucket of rocks. How about an idea that might get some traction beyond your nose? Or better yet, how about an ideal that will produce tangible results. And what will happen to all of those that signed up for BarrackObamacare and got subsidiaries (so they can choose not to work as hard nor full time)....what will happen to them when the subsidies dries up in 2018??? Hey, Shit for Brains, throwing everybody on Medicaid and food stamps is your answer to rekindle the economic engine of our country?????

Lincoln said if you pay me 6 hours to chop down a tree, I will spend the first 4 hours sharpening the ax. Libs don't get human nature at all. But libs do get this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_iQZiVD_zA

L

Out here in the wild, wild West, AZ, one doesn't need any permission from anyone to carry a concealed weapon. Doesn't seem to have lead to any headlines. How 'bout that?

Ben Emery

Bill,
"What does having the highest corporate tax rate do for the American worker? Hey, dummies, its called off shoring and out sourcing. What does Joe Blow do when his taxes increase??? Why he moves around to another locale. Our work force is mobile. Libs just don't get it so its a waste of time."

Wrong, we have one of the lowest effective corporate tax rates in the industrialized world. The way it works is large corporations would avoid paying a 1% tax if they could. Dozens if not hundreds of tax write offs are given if a business has savvy enough CFO and accountants. The reason for off shoring and outsourcing is the laws that once protected US industry, workers, and domestic economy were changed, nothing more. Then we signed away our economic sovereignty when we signed onto NAFTA, WTO, CAFTA, and about a half dozen other trade agreements. Large multinational corporations have never had better profits as have the top 0.5%-1%.

Corporate Tax Dodgers: 10 Companies and Their Tax Loopholes
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/must-read/corporate-tax-dodgers-10-companies-and-their-tax-loopholes

fish

Good morning Pastor Sparkle Pony!


The problems with an effective taxation regime is that you just give the money to government who then proceeds to waste it.


What's the haps in Cambodia today.....?


Ben Emery

Glad you asked


Fears over human rights in Cambodia as crackdown on protests continues
Government troops fire live ammunition on peaceful demonstrations, raising concerns of a return to rule by fear

http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2014/feb/11/cambodia-human-rights-crackdown-protests

fish

Government troops fire live ammunition on peaceful demonstrations, raising concerns of a return to rule by fear


Well what are you doing about it?

Todd Juvinall

BenE, what kind of government runs Cambodia? Is it a capitalist system? How about Vietnam? Do you like their style of governments?

Bonnie McGuire

Bill T you're right about human nature. That's why we should pay attention and not follow the lemmings off the Cliff....because their leader declares it'll be good for us. My years of studying history pretty much confirms what you say. Human beings have been migrating round and round the earth hoping for a better life away from their oppressive, tax collecting rulers. I look at the great monuments created by the slaves and am always amazed at the gall of these self proclaimed parasitical gods who know what's best for everyone else ....but don't practice what they preach. Human nature.

MikeL

Ben wants a command and control government for he knows whats best for ya. He has no problem taxing light skinned people who choose to give themselves possible future skin cancer by sitting in a tanning bed. I wounder if he would mandate taxing light skinned farmers who spend there daylight hours outside under the big orange nuclear furnace in the sky who will have an equal chance of losing the skin cancer lottery.

Walt

Seems LIBS in Colorado have pisspoor memories of what happens when they vote
against gun rights.
"For the third time in two weeks, Colorado Democrats reasserted their agenda on gun control, shooting down Republican attempts to revive or repeal legislation enacted during the last legislative session.

On Tuesday, they killed a GOP-sponsored measure to allow teachers to carry concealed weapons in school. A similar bill was debated last year, with a similar result — both measures failed to make it out of Democratic-controlled committees."

The Co. Repubs are making good targets out of LIBS in the state for the NOV. "Grand Turkey shoot". The LIBS are already down by three.. They sure didn't get the message.


Bonnie McGuire

George...you might want to correct or eliminate my URL as the correct one gets rejected.

George Rebane

BonnieM 135pm - Not sure what URL you're talking about, and where/when does it get rejected?

Russ Steele

Majority Of Young Americans Think Astrology Is A Science. And, now we know how Obama got elected and human caused global warming is still a news item.

Ben Emery

What do you guys think?

Rand Paul Files Lawsuit Over N.S.A. Call Surveillance
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/13/us/politics/rand-paul-files-lawsuit-over-nsa-call-surveillance.html?_r=0

Bonnie McGuire

George it happens when I want to post a comment. It tells me the URL is incorrect so I have to eliminate it first. On this view it looks correct. Anyway thanks for your interesting articles and for providing everyone a place to discuss your subjects.

Walt

On a local note where guns are concerned,, a while back our Sheriff had a story in the paper regarding shooting on one's property. He stated as long as the shooting was 50 yards from any dwelling or structure, and in a safe direction,
it was just fine. ( Or close to that) Well,, he left out a little detail ( which I just have happened to find)
"Notwithstanding the foregoing, the provisions of subparagraph (B) shall not prohibit:
" The discharge of a firearm within 50 yards of any such dwelling house,
residence, etc, if all buildings within 50 yards of the point of discharge are
owned by the person discharging the weapon, is a member of his or her family
or is an invited guest thereof."

My neighbors are going to LOVE me! LOL!! I have the perfect spot right out my back door.

Reading the law as publicly stated shooting anywhere else on my property
that met the 50 yard "legal distance" was inappropriate for shooting targets.
That's all changed now.
The wife's Mimosa tree is now on barrowed time, since it blocks the "shooting range". ( perfect 25 yards for plinking)

So if ya' got 50 yards from any of your neighbors buildings and in a safe direction, DO IT.

OK,, where did I read this wrong? I'm sure someone will find something to burst my bubble... I'm a big boy,, I can take it.... Lay it on me.

fish

What do you guys think?

I don't think it will go anywhere.....government courts bend over backwards to justify government action (see Roberts in National Federation of Independent Business v. Sebelius...enjoy your Penaltax).

FEDGOV has all these fabulous toys.....you don't think for a second that they're not going to find ways to use them.....courts be damned.

Walt

Fish. Ya' nailed it. It seems the new excuse from the courts is " You have no standing to bring this case".

fish

Walt,

This was the "legal experts" whom I heard on the radio this morning position as well.

No way to properly establish standing......

fish

...whom I heard ...

...that I heard.....

Proofread always!

Russ Steele

Victor Davis Hansen has a very interesting list of proposed legislation that if enacted would turn California in a true socialist state, and in Hansen's words, "If we were to pass these laws, California would change overnight."

Here are two examples:

5. The California Firearms Safety Act

The “No Guns for Grandees Act” would forbid private security details to be armed with handguns or semi-automatic long guns. It would allow private security personnel to be armed only with paintball, BB or pellet guns. Aim: To prevent unnecessary armed deterrence by private security units in the hire of the affluent.

6. The Fair Housing Adjustment Act

The “Everywhere an Atherton Act” would tax all private residential square footage in excess of 1800 square feet at four times the current per square foot assessment. Aim: It would ensure state resources are equally distributed and not inordinately siphoned off to a small minority of the state population. Would encourage existing large homes to downsize through reverse remodeling.

Read all here: http://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/save-california/?singlepage=true

Bob Hobert

I truly enjoyed Bill Tozer's 11 Feb 11:16 PM exercise of free speech.

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