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11 March 2014

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fish

Things have gotten so out of hand about guns in school that kids who make an index finger gun with their hand or have half-eaten pastry that resembles the outline of a gun are kicked out of school by the bureaucratic thought police. These worthies have thoughts that such behaviors precede the kinds of mass shootings by the insane that we have witnessed during the last decade or so. Now Maryland and Florida have finally responded with their versions of the so-called ‘pop tart’ bills that are coursing their way through legislatures. The hope is that when passed, these laws will reign in the zealous idiots in the schools’ administrations.


Simply not possible! Idiocy this powerful merely finds new and different ways in which to flower.

RL Crabb

If plastic bags are killing the planet, just think of the damage latex gloves are doing. It's so...unnatural!

Russ Steele

Just think about the medical costs of excessive latex usage:

Latex allergy is a medical term encompassing a range of allergic reactions to the proteins present in natural rubber latex.[1] Latex allergy generally develops after repeated exposure to products containing natural rubber latex.

Latex sensitive bartenders are going top lose their jobs.

fish

Latex sensitive bartenders are going top lose their jobs.

That's okay....I see another "protected class" on the horizon.

Bonnie McGuire

Looks like Babylon syndrome with the great immigration flood of people speaking different languages, cultures etc. creating mass confusion in a nation that has forgotten its foundation and common sense.

Ryan Mount

It appears that California lawmakers are trying to reverse this idiotic latex glove law with emergency legislation:

http://www.sfgate.com/food/article/Lawmakers-pull-about-face-on-food-safety-glove-5295547.php

Here is the coffee-spitting moment from the article:

"'It had unintended consequences,' said Assemblyman Richard Pan, D-Sacramento, a physician and chairman of the Assembly's Committee on Health, which carried the bill in the first place."

Here's a tip for the State's disembrained legislature: next time, how about talking to the people you represent before passing a law that fundamentally changes with way we go about our lives? What a bunch of d*cks.

We have become such weenies, afraid of everything and looking for antibiotic wipes and creams to save us. Yikes germs! Reminds me of this:

http://reason.com/reasontv/2008/04/24/food-fight

MikeL

I will be telling food handlers at the restaurants that I frequent that I have a latex allergy and prefer that they handle my food with their bare hands...washed of course...

Ryan Mount

Washing hands is far more effective. You have to change gloves frequently (and re-wash ones hands) in order for this to be effective.

So in case of a bartender, s/he would be changing their gloves between drinks. Off the scale dumb.

In a nutshell, this is a classic case of symbolism over substance; to make people feel safer rather than actually be safer. Our quest for a sterile society might ironically end up making sicker.

fish

In a nutshell, this is a classic case of symbolism over substance; to make people feel safer rather than actually be safer. Our quest for a sterile society might ironically end up making sicker.

You would think that the good doctor would have more sense.....or maybe not.

More staggeringly good news for the nation:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/11/inside-the-beltway-a-new-interested-in-rahm-emanue/

The campaign slogans practically write themselves!

Let Rahm do for America what he's done for Chicago...or...Instead of the Illinois Wimp we have now...doesn't America deserve an Illinois Thug

It's going to be a fun couple of years!

Todd Juvinall

fish. Come over and tell your pal Ben Emery he is misguided about Netanyahu will you?

Gary Smith

I wonder which third of society that I fit into? I don't think it is the unlabeled one. I don't agree with you most of time George but you are right on the mark with this one. The school issue of political correctness has been going on for some time. When my 28 year old son attended NU he was suspended for calling another boy a "fag". I was told as a parent that if this happened again he would be expelled.

Walt

Yes... The "growing madness".. Just who was it here that said," he who gets/spends the most money wins."?
Sorry to rain on your parade on this fine sunny day, but did you hear what happened in the FL. election? The lefys even through in the "kitchen" Sink
to try and win. They out spent the conservative 3 to 1, yet still got their hat handed to them.
So tell us again how "he who raises the most money wins". Another fluke? That was the excuse when the same thing happened in Colorado recalls.

The "madness" from the Left is only going to get worse.
Heck. I may have to see who Mom votes for this time around.( absentee of course)

fish

Heck. I may have to see who Mom votes for this time around.( absentee of course)

Threadwinner!

Walt

Another example of "madness".. See the sour grapes in the paper about Blue Lead Mine? The local ECO gang over near Greenhorn Creek got caught with their pants down, even after the County sent out notices. They want a "do over". How dare the mine be allowed to reopen. Yes... MORE madness to follow.

Keen Observer

I wonder which undergraduate degree will be required by the state for the workers (with full benefits of course) that will administer birth control to does and teach bucks to properly utilize latex (now is the time to invest in Trojan Condoms, whom will no doubt land the RFP from the Federal Gov.). I can see it now, B.S. in Mammalian Population Control. Is there no end to the bureaucracy?

George Rebane

Our designated reader reports that RR posts and comment streams are still the hot topics on leftwing blogs. One worthy there took this post to task citing bogus statistics to make the case that the deer population problem was due to the lack of hunters. While laughable, these folks have their blinders firmly over their eyes when it comes to the impact that liberal gun hysteria and promotion of animal 'rights' over the years has had on what can be hunted where and when. The above cited deer population problem could be solved very quickly with more enlightened hunting laws.

About 200 people are killed and countless others injured by collisions with deer each year. The dollar cost of this carnage is over $1.1B. But progressive policies ignore this loss of human life and attendant liberties, for it serves their greater (A21) goals of how humans should live and deport themselves.

Joe Koyote

About 200 people are killed and countless others injured by collisions with deer each year. -- This is real important..NOT! Perhaps a more important question might be how many people die and what are the costs from industrial pollution. I bet it's more than 200 and $1.1b. Another classic example of making mountains out of molehills complete with conjectural blaming of liberal policies. Pretty sketchy. How do you know the rise in the deer population is not due to some other cause like an abundance of food caused by unusual weather. You don't, but it is very convenient to make such a spurious connection.

Thank god they passed the farm bill so po people won't starve! -- Yes there are always incidents of people trying to beat the system. It would seem to me that the simple solution is for businesses in question to not take EBT cards. Or is the sale more important than ethics? If stores don't take the cards then there is no foul. It is a two way street. Some information on welfare queens.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/12/this-chart-blows-up-the-myth-of-the-welfare-queen/282452/

fish

Sad to see the rationalization machine spin up....I probably won't get to the Atlantic article immediately Joe...perhaps you can enlighten me as to whether policing the system and preventing people from using their benefits at strip clubs and X-rated book stores was addressed?

Russ Steele

Fish, You forgot the Casinos with EBT machines.

Stevenfrisch

You may disagree that the decline in hunters coupled with expanding woodland habitat east of the Mississippi has anything to do with increasing deer populations, which a large number of state fish and game biologists agree is the case, but my stats are not bogus. Less people hunt. End of story.

fish

Fish, You forgot the Casinos with EBT machines.

My bad Russ! Thanks!

Michael Anderson

More cougars and wolves! More hunters!! More poppa deers with rubbers on them peckers [that unfortunate image is now stuck in my head...damn]!!!!

Russ Steele

Why are fewer people hunting? Most people used to hunted to feed their families. In the 1940s and 1950s my family hunted every year to fill the freezer for the winter: deer, antelope, and elk. We fished in the rivers and froze the fish in coffee cans filled with water. Many of our neighbors did the same. It was part of survival strategy in rural Idaho, and still is in some Idaho counties. Then the Great Society came along in the 1960s to eliminate poverty. The need to hunt for survival declined. Over time it was easier to get food from the government and the culture changed, hunting was look down on by those who were incapable of doing what was once part of a survival skill. Since many citizens no longer had the hunting skills, and the government was keeping them from starving, the unskilled made it culturally intenable to hunt poor Bambi, Bambi's mother and father. Thus, there are fewer hunters and more deer to run into at night on the highway. Take way those EBT cards and there will soon be a lot more hunting in rural counties across the nation.

George Rebane

JoeK 1113am - your incisive logic again compared factors not coupled in my post. In more detail, my point is that the liberals' solution to such problems is always more expensive, intrusive, and ineffective government applied belatedly. The deer population in the east has been for decades a growing danger, environmental detriment, and homeowner nuisance. The deaths and cost stat was just an illustration of this and not an exhaustive comparison of societal costs from many sources. But thanks for the effort.

According to the Fish & Wildlife Service today there are 13.7M hunters still braving the regulatory web to hunt where and when it is legal. If the hunting laws in the affected regions were rolled back to what they were in the 1940-50s (see RussS 1204pm), the problem would be solved for zero marginal cost. And that especially if the venison could be donated to various charities.

Russ Steele

I got this from the Diplomad 2.0 but it applies to this discussion. I was first aleted to this liberal crap last year when my Graddaughter in 8th grade at the time asked me if I had seen it. It was shown in her Social Studies. I pointed out the inconsistence, in the hope she would ask her teachers some questions. Here is the Diplomad's version:

My daughter came home yesterday with an assignment from her sociology professor to watch a video called "The Story of Stuff." You can watch it on YouTube, if you have the stomach for it.

I note this because it is emblematic of the nonsense being taught university students all over the Western world. It is full of non-facts, e.g., "we have used up one-third of the earth's natural resources," and pushes relentlessly the idea of limits, limits, limits. It also has the customary jibes at "corporations" and capitalism and bemoans that government is not doing enough to "protect us."

I don't know who the person is in the video but she talks gibberish and delivers it in a baby-talk sort of way that I guess is how one must address university students these days.

Nowhere in the anti-capitalist, anti-consumption diatribe does the video mention the power of innovation, e.g., the internet has revolutionized the world without using any appreciable amounts of non-renewable resources. Beyond that, of course, the video and the college professor teaching this absurd class cannot answer one simple question, "Can you name one, one, one nonrenewable resource that we have run out of?" Iron, copper, coal, tin, silver, gold, oil, gas? The video is also full of nonsense about the forests being cut down in North America. The video claims that only 4% of the forest cover that existed at the time of European settlers exists today. The US Forest Service would beg to differ, noting that about 70% of the forest land that existed in 1670 remains forest. In addition, another 7% is in what is called "reserved forest land," and on and on. You can read the report for yourselves.

The universities are hopeless. This all confirms my worst fears that increasingly we are being ruled and dominated by people with no idea how wealth, real wealth, is created.

fish

Partial retraction of 10:18 am...as well as a partial validation of Joes request:

It would seem to me that the simple solution is for businesses in question to not take EBT cards. Or is the sale more important than ethics? If stores don't take the cards then there is no foul.

http://reason.com/blog/2014/03/13/raw-story-totally-busts-reason-in-the-gr

Joe Koyote

On the issue of people using food stamp cards to buy non-food items: On whom does the greater mischief fall. the person who uses their EBT card to purchase non-food items or the business organization that willingly makes the exchange? Or is their equal culpability?

fish

I don't expect much discretion from either party. There should be a way (I know there is because this isn't the first time the government has been embarrassed in this fashion resulting in a mad scramble to curtail access to casinos and the like) to restrict the vendors to grocery retailers.

Walt

Us hunters have been going elsewhere. Ca. has raised fees and added restrictions
past the point of stupid. Maybe Joe and Steve should ask those who (or did) hunt. Then there is the fact that most private property parcels are now so small, that they are un-huntable. There is always someone's house not that far away. ( a little thing called hunting safety)
Deer in places like LWW and LOP know full well they are safe from ALL predator's and never leave. They inbreed and many are sick. Yet nothing is done. Same goes for wild Turkeys. Many have turned "blond" ( no offence ladies)
But again for some reason ,nothing has or will be done.

Even pig and bear tag fees have gone up. Harvested bears are down close to 60% since the hunting laws changed. ( So welcome Yogy and BooBoo with open arms on a more regular basis. Then only F&G will be shooting bears.( nuisance bears)
But we read a while back that people were peeved a bear was taken out and shot
because he broke into a home. BTW,, There have been MANY bears getting into occupied homes this last Fall. Right here in the county. The bear went in one door, while the occupants fled through another. ( no fear) Nope,, you didn't see that in the paper. But you can find them in the sheriff log books.

The ECO gang did a good job of ruining hunting. Now enjoy the critter overpopulation.

Russ Steele

Here is a local animal control story, related to me by a family friend who was with Fish and Game. A family moved to Nevada County from the Bay Area and bought an house on the north side of Idaho Maryland about two miles from Brunswick. The lady of house was very upset by the coyotes barking and howling at night in her neighborhood. She demanded F&G remove the animals. Fish and Game complied. Two year latter the lady called Fish and Game complaining about the rabbits that were eating her flowers and garden plants. The F&G Officer explained the rabbits were her problem, she had requested the coyotes which control rabbit populations be removed, and they did not plan to return them. "Wait another year, and they will return to eat the rabbits," said the Officer. "Have a nice day."

Walt

Russ. Thanks for that reminder.. Ya' know that Target store in Auburn?
I had my role in it's construction. We had " Friends of Bell Rd." (or some other obstructionist clan.) out to make noise and our lives miserable.)
That hole was a swamp. They were out to "save this,, save that" but not an endangered nuttn' existed. Just one small Beaver dam. Beavers living in the middle of all that racket, not to mention next to 49! Who knew?
After I cleaned all the muck , mud, and homeless refuse, and the Beaver dam too, the critters built a new dam just up stream from the creek crossing 49.
And did a fine job judging by all the new flooded low lands. ( one of our agitators property by chance). Even Fish and Game had had enough when the people demanded the Beavers be removed. F&G explained that they are not endangered. Hire a trapper at their expense, or shoot the damned things.
What happened after that I don't know. But the "new lake" was gone in a few days.
Nature came back to bite the hand that protested for them.

RL Crabb

Back in the nineties, there were reports of a buck elk wandering around the west county, until some bozo shot "the biggest deer I ever seen!" Fish & Game was not amused, and fined him accordingly.

Russ Steele

Walt,

You reminded me of another beaver dam story. I was stationed at Loring AFB Maine that was build in a large meadow, that had several streams crossing it. One was channeled about 6 to 8 feet deep behind the Bachelor Offices Quarter(BOQ) and along side of the Officers Club, both brick buildings, with the small stream running about 75 to 100 feet from both buildings. The base was 16 years old when I arrived in 1963 to live in the BOQ. In the years since the stream was channelled, willows grew on the banks of the channel. It was hard to see the channel through the mature willow thickets.

The Officers Club was about 200 yards from the BOQ with path that paralleled the stream connecting the two. One spring morning the path was covered with water. The beavers had quietly built a huge dam in the channel and the spring flow was escaping flowing down the path toward the officers club. The beavers were captured and move elsewhere on the huge base, the Air Forces largest, and the engineers destroyed the dam with a crane with a giant claw. The next spring the water was again flowing down the path, the beavers had returned and rebuilt the dam. Again they were captured and removed. Dam removed. Third spring, the beavers and the dam were back. The base police were called they hunted down and shot the beavers and the dam was removed. That summer we moved to Castle AFB in Merced, and forgot about the beavers. Thirty years later at reunion, the subject of Loring's beavers enter the conversation. They kept coming back year after year, and finally the Air Force put in a pipe and covered over the channel to keep the beavers from building more dams and flooding the Officer Club. Moral of the story, you better know what you are doing when you start messing with Mother Natures critters.

Russ Steele

In retrospect, the channel was closer to 3-4 feet deep were the dam was built, but deeper behind the BOQ which was on a little higher ground.

Todd Juvinall

Many people call deer "rats with antlers", but alas, I have been a hunter and I on;y hit one in my lifetime. It was crossing the road at night full steam ahead and it hit me and went flying. I stopped and watched as it got up and boogied away. That was on McCourtney by the Fairgrounds.

Funny how we (well not me) voted to stop killing cougars in our state and the number of deer has grown. Anyone have an idea why?

stevenfrisch

Has the number of deer grown in California? I think the original reference George made was to deer populations 'east of the Mississippi." Here is a chart from the California Department of Fish and Wildlife indicating a drop in populations in California since the early 70's, but the chart ends before 2000.

http://www.dfg.ca.gov/wildlife/hunting/deer/population.html

Here is an article quoting Fish and Game re: deer population and late seral forests.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/04/09/144553/as-habitat-disappears-so-does.html

It would appear that fire suppression, over growth in our forest, and interruptions with deer migratory corridors and fawning grounds has more to do with declining populations than mountain lion populations do.

A pretty good reason to go back to select thinning in California forests along with re-introduction of low intensity ground fire, the conditions we saw before the 1900's

Critical point "east of the Mississippi".

Todd Juvinall

Old data.I talk to hunters of which my son is one and they say there is an abundant number and growing larger. In this end of the county these animals are everywhere. I have a family about 1/4 mike up onmy street and the buck is huge.

During the General Plan hearings of the mid nineties, I was able to fight off the attempts by the eco nuts to lock up thousands of private property acres for the deer "migration" corridors which were in fashion at the time. If you want to check it out go back and read the transcripts. It weas a big deal at the time.

Walt

Ever see LWW deer? Some are no bigger than goats, and the antlers just don't seem to fit the body.
The ECO gang love to claim "critters just can't co-mingle with man"(BS). Tell that to the ones in LWW or LOP, or anywhere else critters are safe from hunting or predation.

Now us hunters in Ca. have to deal with the lead bullet ban. See the price of copper?

stevenfrisch

The charts I posted indicated that we are near the top of the norm for deer population, and is the most up to date charted data out there right now for California. There is data on a subregional level that is newer, for example recent studies in the northern Sierra. So I would agree populations would appear to be high.

But of course if you stuck your finger out the window and got your finger licked by a doe your anecdotal observation from your porch is surely more accurate than the Department of Fish and Wildlife biologists!

Oh, and you locked nothing up....state regulation covers deer migratory corridors not local general plan land use policy.

Todd Juvinall

The deer corridors were being used to lock up and regulate to a new level the private property in the county. The issue then was drawing the lines and accepting the corridors as a fact and made one more mitigation in any landuse applications. You obviously were not there ot knew anything about it or you would not have made the dopey statement above.

Todd Juvinall

This link to the Nevada County General Plan, starting at page 30, will show the extent of the discussion and the final wording. In the beginning the DFG and the local eco nuts were trying to forbid a property owner to use land they decided was a "fawning area" and a "corridor". I helped get that out of the plan thank goodness.

https://secure.mynevadacounty.com/nc/cda/planning/docs/General%20Plan/Volume%202.%20Nevada%20County%20General%20Plan%20%281995%29/VOL%202%20SEC5.pdf

Walt

Corridors?,,, Really? Deer go where they damned well please. Good luck with signs " no deer past this point".
These deer don't "migrate". I had the same doe in my yard for several years.
Then she brought her kids by to eat up my lawn and flowers.

I wonder what the excuse will be when the pig explosion takes hold.
No one hears about that.

Walt

Your gonna love this Beaver tail...

http://downeastwildliferehabilitationcenter.com/thedam.htm

The response to the gov. is priceless.

Walt

ATF coming to a gun store near YOU!!

http://dailycaller.com/2014/03/15/calif-gun-store-owner-to-feds-no-you-cant-have-my-customer-list/

Just what our "all rights caring" LIBS said would NEVER happen.

stevenfrisch

So lets see, just the facts; having read the appropriate section, Nevada County's general plan contain no limits on CDFW activities above and beyond what is allowed in state law.

Deer do indeed use migratory corridors to access summer and winter range and fawning grounds. That is an established fact. If you interfere with their migration by feeding or providing salt licks the Bambi you have in your backyard or the copse of trees in your neighborhood is not an indicator of species behavior when uninterrupted.

Science is science and anecdotal information gained by drinking a beer on your porch is just that, anecdotal.

Todd Juvinall

Well I can't believe the Frisch actually admits he knew nothing about what he was bloviating on the deer issues! The reason the language ended up as it does in the GP is because the lefties here tried to make it another hoop for landowners and it was defeated. Your Truckee herd included.

stevenfrisch

I admitted no such thing Todd. I have read my share of studies on the Truckee and Loyalton deer herds, as well as comment letters from the CDFW on the issue regarding specific projects in Nevada County. The CDFW regulatory authority over these issues is ABOVE the General Plan; they have a separate mandate under the California Fish and Game code.

If you want to think you did something 'important' as a Supervisor to assuage your ego, that is fine by me.

By the way do you agree that deer use corridors to migrate between summer and winter habitat and for fawning? If so, why would you not correct Walt?

I'll tell you why. Because if a friend is full of shit but they agree with you on other things you won't correct them. That about says it all. A evidenced repeatedly here you guys are the kings of anecdotal nonsense.

Todd Juvinall

Frisch, wqe all know when you are lying. You know nothing about the deer and now that I ave pointed out the facts you claim some form of knowledge. We know you. Regarding the deer. Sure they travel back and forth because of weather and time of year just like the caribou. Except short travel distances. The DFG is the minimum the state does and the General Plan can make it tougher. That is how law works and I am surprised you, the self proclaimed "smartest bear" did not know that. Walt has much more intelligence than you and I know that eats at your craw. He is a good man and he does not treat others as you do here. He is well read and his heart is in the right place. You are the one who we always have to correct and your cut/paste gets really old but we still put up with you. Oh, and how come I never saw you at any of the many meetings on the General Plan and Zoning back then?

stevenfrisch

Todd, something either "eats at you" or "sticks in your craw", nothing I know of eats a craw.

I attended eastern Nevada County General Plan meetings, why didn't I see you there?

You did not answer the question about why you did not correct Walt.

Todd Juvinall

Eastern meetings? Oh sure. You weren't there either. I think you are just a BSer Frisch. Cut and paste mostly. No intelligence springs from your noggin. Plagiarism mostly.

Walt can believe what he wants. I only try and keep the left's lies from sticking. That is why I correct you. You know you did not attend any of those meetings yet you think you can get away with them. Too funny.

Heli

The thing about getting to our age is that human stupidity becomes crystal clear and the sad thing is not enough people want to open their eyes to it. It may be a culturally different flavour in Australia, but the stupidity is the same.
Are you up-to-date with the Crimea situation? The idential situations occurred in Estonia in 1924 and 1940???? The big bad bear has not changed its blatant tactics.

George Rebane

Heli 349am - The situation with the Crimea has been apparent to me for some years now, and the recent annexation was totally anticipated as has been reported here about Russia's intentions in its 'near abroad'.
http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2014/03/obamas-new-world-disorder.html

As we track the developments in our tepid response to this outright expansionist strategy, I will have more to say about it when we discover how Russia will continue to expand into the Ukraine. Tere tulemast!

Todd Juvinall

Obama just did the JuJu on 11 Russians and cutoff their welfare checks. Sanctioned by the "organizer". Scary stuff.

Walt

We need to hide our chief GW denier.
http://dailycaller.com/2014/03/17/u-s-college-professor-demands-imprisonment-for-climate-change-deniers/

I will take the first shift. And in the dead of night, spirit him off to Todd's place. Don't tell me who's next on the list in case I'm captured.

Todd Juvinall

Walt, good luck. I will prepare a place at my home. Oops, are they reading this? Crap, they know where I live. Watch out, the AGW Gestapo is after us all.

Bill Tozer

Everybody put tape over their mouths and run to the hills. Then maybe we will be safe from the speech/thought police. I will never tell them my inner thoughts, NEVER!

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Bill Tozer

Concerning critter population: I know when they (whoever "they" are) introduced the wolf back into Washington State among others states, the law of unintended consequences worked perfectly. The wolves of Northern Idaho and Eastern Washington drove the moose down to lower elevations. Thus more moose contact with humans and their hobbles this year and last winter. Tragically, people hitting a moose on a country road is more serious than slamming into Bambi. I reckon those motorists who have died from unexpectedly hitting a moose unseen before on their road or who are disabled for life think the whole re-introduction idea is horse pucky, aka, madness.

Concerning illegal aliens getting legal status, I do have to wonder what all the law abiding millions of people across the globe who are waiting patiently for their chance to come here legally think about the illegal aliens who cut in line and are given a fast track. Millions who are following the rules to gain legal status must think this is madness and most unfair.

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fish

Posted by: Bill Tozer | 17 March 2014 at 01:23 PM

But what is liberty without wisdom, and without virtue? It is the greatest of all possible evils; for it is folly, vice, and madness, without tuition or restraint.

I love the sentiment with a few reservations. I note that under the moral therapeutic state, man is never allowed to become wise. His actions are proscribed by an ever narrowing set of permissible behaviors and acceptable thoughts. He never has the opportunity to fully examine all possible options. He is forced to see life through blinders. The teaching of virtue is considered outmoded or only acceptable if dispensed by the state...to hold thoughts deemed inappropriate even if they are not acted upon is unacceptable.

Heli

Thanks George, for the re-direct. Accidentally ended up here, however fantastic reading how people are thinking over there. Isn't freedom of speech wonderful! Do the Russians have a similar chat line, on similar subjects.
Problem here in Oz with fracking - need to find out the connection between fracking and control of water and corrupt State politicians presently under investigation. Perhaps fracking isn't the problem, but corruption? (Water? will it be the new oil?)

George Rebane

walt 1017am - what is beyond belief is that self-styled intellectuals of the Left still believe that their ideology can thrive in a free give and take of ideas. Inimically tyrannical, their philosophy gladly embraces the asymmetric debate in which they appeal to the gun to silence those who oppose them and their ideas, all the while claiming that they are for free speech from all quarters. These pages are witness to such one-sided condemnations along with their subsequent denials.

Walt

I put nothing past the radical Left. Remember when they (yes, even we, including me,)laughed at Rush when he fist started saying "they" were coming after the SUV?
Now when a Leftist religion is on the line, dust off the brown shirts that have been stashed deep in the closet. A Progressive " teacher" calling for jail for those that don't buy his crap? HELL!! cut off an appendage while your at it.
I do believe punishment for Heresy is off the books by now.
I'll never forget the words of a Berkeley U student who said to some TV reporter and camera,, " You can say anything you like,, just as long as we agree to what you say." ( Some tree sit-in if I recall)

Since jail for us heretics isn't going to happen, the EPA has been doing a work around on that.
BTW.. Someone needs to check on Russ. Let's be sure someone hasn't thrown a bag over his head, and is sitting in some ECO jail.

Bill Tozer

Mr. Walt: I worry more about Dr. Rebane than I do Rush. Rush can buy a boatload of legal experts who attack like sharks to take on the good fight for freedom of speech, but can Dr. Rebane? I am not privy to the Good Doc's current financial status, but let's say they would rather line him up in front of a firing squad (after cutting out his tongue and chopping off all his keypad typing fingers) than simply bankrupt him. The Lefties want silence. Silence to them is Golden. The debate is over, so shut the F up and fall in line.

Madness, simply madness. I had a niece that took one semester at our local Sierra College (she was home schooled and only 16 at the time), but I digress. She took a collegiate creative writing course. The assignment was to write an article on any subject she chose, except one. The class was barred from writing ANYTHING about abortion. Not that a 16 year old home schooled kid who already passed our high school graduation requirements would want to write about abortion, but the point is she could write about donkey sex with her left arm or the weight of the fuzz in one's navel, but not the forbidden topic. She told me she just did what it takes to get out of that class alive and with a good grade, even to the point where she learned that writing about any conservative topic (for, not against) was a sure way to get a poor grade. She learned to play the game early, thanks to our little Sierra College. That experience helped her get her Masters at Boston College. Even dark clouds have a silver lining.

Yep, them libs are so open minded aren't they? You would be a fool to state otherwise because their idea of free speech demands that be the case. Gotta love them Libhole Progressive types. Its for our good and not their control freak egos. Ya right.

The madness continues. This current news blurb is all too familiar. Reminds me of that poor Vietnamese immigrant farmer that lost the farm and every penny he had cause his tractor killed a bug or endangered rat on his farm. So much for the American Dream. How do you explain that to any sane person?

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/03/14/wyoming-welder-faces-75000-a-day-in-epa-fines-over-what-he-built-on-his-own-property/

Bill Tozer

Madness is a good phrase of the day because common sense has been tossed out the window. It is madness to think of every ever increasing role of government into our daily lives and all aspects of the human experience could result in anything but loss of liberty, loss of freedom and total control by the State. It is madness to think the Constitution is something other than a document of prohibitions on government. Common sense has become uncommon sense and good has been labeled evil and evil is now being called good.

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Concerning the Lefties unrelenting efforts to silence anyone/everyone who hints at disapproval of their little schemes and designs, I retract my comments about Dr. Rebane facing the firing squad. The Progressives do not believe in capital punishment so Dr. Rebane's life may be spared. On second thought, capital punishment requires a trail and conviction, which is messy, public, and its outcome uncertain. Ah, much easier for our Lefty comrade just to toss him in the Black Hole of Calcutta or secretly ship him off to Devil's Island or some Disneyland House of Horrors Gulag. They might still cut off all his keypad typing fingers. Ever try to hold a bar of soap or wipe yourself with just thumbs? It ain't pretty I tell ya.

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Russ Steele

Walt,
Still kickig, just very busy. So far evated capture by the lefty ECO Nuts.

Walt

OOHHHH BOYYYyy... NOW what will our MJ gang do?? The dope crowd love to push the med. end,, but will their inner ECO loon take over? The same dope smokers are AGW "true believers".
Now see what their internet bible says...

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2014/03/17/MoJo-Marijuana-Causes-Global-Warming

The paradox is about to hit.

BTW,, Keep on the move Russ. Invest in burn phones. My underground bunker has yet to be finished. They will never find you there.
I'm surprised your wanted poster isn't on every phone pole in Nevada City.

Walt

The AGW gang isn't done yet. Another doom and gloom publication.
Just THIS time, they are going out only 90 years. ( we saw how well a few decades of predictions went.... Uh,, not all that great.)
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/official-prophecy-of-doom-global-warming-will-cause-widespread-conflict-displace-millions-of-people-and-devastate-the-global-economy-9198171.html

Remember.. According to the geniuses at East Anglia U said,, " Snow fall in D.C. will be a thing of the past, and only will be read about by future generations".

I do believe the Mid West and East Coast could use some of that GW right about now.
Seems a "mini-ice age" has hit 2/3's of the nation.


fish

Remember Walt...anything unusual is "evidence"! A little warmer than you recall...GLOBAL WARMING......a little cooler...GLOBAL WARMING.....drier this year...GLOBAL WARMING....wetter....GLOBAL WARMING....haltosis......warts....toenail fungus...GLOBAL WARMING.

You get the gist!


I'm a little concerned they've become more shrill recently....makes me think things might be much worse financially for the various governments (and their favored grant recipients......Hi Steve) than we've been led to believe!

Walt

Quite correct Fish. Hence the change to "climate change". No matter WHAT happens,
they can claim the "high" ground. They gotta be "high",, to keep up the bovine excrement. Catalytic converters coming to cow behinds in a pasture near you.
At least activated charcoal diaper cow fart carbon sequestration systems.
Not really proven to work, but a "feel good" measure probably invented with taxpayer dollars, needs to be implemented non the less.
I hear they are working on the same thing to put on wild life. Look at all the new government jobs that would be created. Tracking down all those carbon emitting critters will be big money, and a new tax will be needed.
Of course a feasibility study will be needed. ( let the local grant money fight begin.) The SBC will be all over that. Just sacrifice a acre of old growth timber to apply for the huge new grant gold mine. (Can't get a dime without the paperwork.)

Walt

Here is some expensive cat food. Endangered sheep.... THAT'S what's for dinner...

http://www.foxnews.com/science/2014/03/18/bighorn-sheep-conservation-arizona-mountain-lion-catalina/#

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