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23 February 2015

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Bill  Tozer

There is an acronym some people turn to in times of decision. Called ACE for accept, change, or eliminate. Don't think Obama chose the A.

About college transcripts. Obama attended one year at tiny Occidential College which is not even a beep on the radar. I immediately took an interest because I have two cousins that went there, a high school teammate that was recruited by Occidental College and later I hired a helper who was an Occidental grad. No one can tell us what courses Obama took, his grades, his roommates, etc. Yes, there was one professor who said he remembered him.

Not the end of the world, but it sure raises my eyebrows. We know Al Gore roomed with Billy Joe Thorton , or Billy Ray Something and what Hillary said and wrote in college. We know Bush's grades in college were better than Gore's. We know too much...except for the Current President. No one no where no how can find even one paper Obama wrote in college including the Harvard Law Review. No outside insight on his thoughts and formulation of his beliefs except for what he chose to disclose in his books. Historians will have to dig deep.

So, we are left with his actions, current statements, and who his friends are. Another one of life's unsolved mysteries. Actions speak pretty loud though. ACE? You decide.

https://www.facebook.com/PatriotPost/photos/pb.51560645913.-2207520000.1424700458./10152819825635914/?type=3&theater

L

Giulani's remarks make logical sense. If Obama actually believes of America the things he says, why would he like this country, much less love it?

OTOH, if he doesn't believe them, then the conclusion is the same. L

RL Crabb

If a man is going to run for President of the United States, he most likely has some affection for the place. I'd say he just wants to see it go in another direction. As for Rudy, his pop was a gangster thug. Is it any wonder he became a Republican?

fish

As for Rudy, his pop was a gangster thug. Is it any wonder he became a Republican?


Hey.....does anybody know.....is it a requirement to be a lisping fairy (not gay.....just a sissy.....Guliani, Peter King, etc.) if you want to be a republican from New York?

Scott Obermuller

I think Mr Crabb has actually nailed it. Yes, he does have some (read: a lot) of affection for the place. The place of office - lots and lots of power. And the physical place called the USA. The physical place has lots of hard working white Euro-descent folks to take from and room for millions and millions of non-white non-Euros to give to.
What he has no affection for is the original idea envisioned by our founders that a fed govt would exist solely to protect it's citizens and ensure our liberty and civil rights. He firmly believes in a govt that will be the decider as to who pays what and who gets what. He does not have any affection for the idea that the USA should be or ever was any better than any other country in the world.

George Rebane

RFCrabb 126pm - Uuuh, that was cold. Having no love for the place as it is now, and wanting "to see it go in another direction" are not inconsistent. I wouldn't mind running for president of Russia for the same purpose, even though I have no love the place as it is now either.

And if the children of thugs cause no wonder in becoming Republicans, what similar succession avoids wonder if they become Democrats?

Bill  Tozer

Them New Yorkers have a different way of doing things. They are not so laid back like us on the Left Coast. Take Anthony's Weiner for example. Or the Dem hard nosed prosecutor turned Governor who had to leave office for itty bitty teenie weenie indiscretions with Ladies of Ill Repute, or escorts of the evening if you prefer. How quickly we forget all about them. Was his name Elliot or something?

Now, if you want a no nonsense direct reply, just ask a Jersey man. He will tell ya a thing or two in a most straightforward manner, using the fewest words allowable to get his/her point across.

I do like Paul Ryan's playlist. He ain't secretive about it and like Gov. Christie, we know everything there is to know about his past. Easy research for future historians, unlike the person referenced in "Pay No Attention to the Man Behind the Curtain".

Does Obama love America? I don't know (which in and of itself says a lot). Does his heart beat to Red White and Blue or does his heart throb to Red White and Green? Hard to say. But with friends like Obama, who needs enemas.

Bill  Tozer

And now a view from The Purple side of the aisle. We angry old white men simply do not like for'ners. They be different.

http://www.vox.com/2015/2/23/8089639/obama-derangement-syndrome

fish

Posted by: Bill Tozer | 23 February 2015 at 02:25 PM

I'm still convinced that they hired him to fill in for Maddow because they didn't need to change the wardrobe or make up when he was subbing.

Todd Juvinall

My Dad was a Navy volunteer in WW2 and then a contractor building homes here. A family man and a good husband. Is it any wonder I became a Republican?

Brad C.

Fish, It helps if you like to dress up in women's clothes also,

http://www.infowars.com/cross-dresser-giuliani-questions-foot-in-the-mouth-bidens-mental-capacity/

George Boardman

Waffling Rudy is now tempering his remarks, as evidenced by the op-ed he wrote for The Wall Street Journal.

He's just a political hack with nothing better to do, and would have nothing at all to do if Fox News didn't keep giving him a thin layer of credibility. When Rudy made his bid for the Republican presidential nomination, he bailed out after he lost his first primary. Cut and run seems to be his game.

fish

Posted by: Brad C. | 23 February 2015 at 03:14 PM

Yeah....he always seemed a little too "La Cage aux Folles" comfortable in some of his SNL skits. That said....questioning Joe Bidens mental faculties is always a legitimate pursuit.

Brad C.

Rudi was merely blowing his dog whistle to get his audience of well-heeled conservatives at the recent "private" dinner salivating for the upcoming election.
This is an old song. Remember, back in '08, it was also determined that Mrs. Obama was not proud of America.
Ya gotta give the old geezers at the table something they can understand, like Obama is a Muslim and he doesn't like America.
What a hoot!

Todd Juvinall

Yeah that Rudy G, cleaned up George Boardman's favorite hangouts in Times Square. Worked to keep NYC together after the attacks. Convicted many of GeorgeB's favorites in the Mafia. Yep, he is just a hack.

Bill  Tozer

Oh Brad. I have a couple of friends that aren't cross dressers. Probably know a few if I think about it. Even work with one and boy does he ever need a makeover, IMHO. At least cross dressers are decisive, not like those bi-sexuals. Speaking of buy sexual, his name is Spitzer. Elliot Spitzer. I knew it was up in my squirrel cage somewhere.

Good to see Fish swam back to our little pond. I was getting quite upset worrying about him and all. Best call the doc and tell him I won't be needing the double dose head meds afterall. Today is turning out to be a splendid day now that we are all better now. See ya down at The Raging Queen. Drinks are on me.

Obama does not love America. They had to force him to stand in front of an American flag his first 18 months or so in office until folks started noticing and sqawking.

fish

Good to see Fish swam back to our little pond. I was getting quite upset worrying about him and all.

fish had to swim under the ice in frozen Tennessee for the last week William!

Todd Juvinall

Welcome back fish!

RL Crabb

Rudy's idea of a strong leader is Vlad Putin. Now there's a role model any gangster would admire.
I don't care for some of Obama's "hope and change" either, but the more I see of what the Repubby's are doing to voting rights and their anti-gay agenda in the various states where they hold power, the more I am convinced that I will never vote for the assholes. Guess I'll just have to be content to write in Mickey Mouse.

George Boardman

Re Todd's 3:29:

You'd never catch me in a tacky place like Times Square, unless I was visiting a reporter or editor at The Times.

When visiting New York on business, I stayed at places like the Helmsley Palace (now the New York Palace), the Waldorf or the Plaza.

I don't recall seeing Todd when I was enjoying one of my expense account dinners at Le Cirque. He was probably dining on a street vendor hotdog.

George Rebane

RLCrabb 433pm - What exactly are the Repubbys doing to voting rights?? I hope you're not foisting the leftwing anthem that voter registration and having to prove you're a citizen is somehow taking away voting rights. The data, especially from the black communities, demonstrates exactly the opposite.

Nevertheless, if your self-imposed alternatives in the voting booth are reduced to progressive Democrats and Mickey Mouse, writing in Mickey is definitely the best policy.

Ben Emery

Bob,
Welcome to the club of not voting for the big two. I do in CA for state offices and lower offices since top two implementation we don't have a choice of another option in the general election. I have voted 3 times for top two in the 7 Presidential elections I have voted on and unless some amazing candidate emerges challenging the leadership of the D's or R's I will most likely never vote for a D or R Presidential candidate again.

Todd Juvinall

GeorgeB, yep I was probably eating the hotdogs on the street. I guess you hotsie totsie intellectuals are too good fo that. Anyway, I am sure you utilized every cent of that generous per diem. Probably a tax write off too. What a hoot!

I wear my asshole badge of courage very prominently as a Republican. Democrats and fence sitters are what arrive from it. LOL! Too funny!

Todd Juvinall

What I find interesting about the crics of the R's especially on social issues is there is never any critiques on the dems social issues. Even those fence sitters refuse to be as enthusiastic about their dislike for the left's positions on things like "partial birth abortion" or even pedophilia. Why is that?

Walt

DAMN!,,RL,,,, What a crime it is to keep only those with the right to vote, to do so.
What next? give every illegal boarder crosser the right, just because they are here?
HELL!! Even the union goons got caught stuffing the ballot box. 20 more votes than there were workers. Is that what you want to happen in elections? You need to stop using felt pens. Those vapors are messing with your noggin.
LIBS have been living up to that " vote early, and often".

The real "dog whistle" is the crap about voter suppression about showing ID to vote.
You need it for just about everything else in life.
With the same logic of crying about ID and voting, maybe buying a gun should fall into the same category. A felon can't vote, But plenty did to get some LIB elected. ( Al Franken) Yes,, enough to sway the election. ( yet when the facts of that came out, it was LIBS who smiled and didn't give a shit.. By any means necessary.. right?)

Walt

Rudy calls it like it is, and Lefties go blind with rage.( yup,, truth hurts)
Nevermind the fact the LIBS said the same about Bush ( damned near word for word) yet that's OK..( nice double standard LIBS have) But I don't recall Bush hanging out with radical Commies like "O" has a history of doing. Do I need to list them?
Every time shit hits the fan, "O" hits the links. When heads rolled (literally) I wonder if "O" was thinking if the head made the hole in the fist lop.

Bill  Tozer

Well, this 1/2 hour program does not spare Obama at all. Most surprising being from the Left. I often wondered how an unknown junior Senator could throw his hat into the ring the same calendar year as the elections and take down the juggernaunt of Hillary and out raise the Republican Mcclain 2 to 1. Silly me, we were told it was a savy internet campaign with little po folk sending in 5 and 10 dollars.

No wonder The Emerys don't care to vote straight party or for either party. Got to get half way through the clip to get to the good stuff about Tiny Timmy, Eric Hold 'Em Holder, and their Boss who directed them not what to do. Obama ain't no dummy spending all that time slamming the rich, lol. Yep, a community organizer through and through. Bush the First came out smelling pretty good, W not so good. O even worse.

Moving forward, Obama still thinks the Constitution is fundamentally flawed, but he and his lovely bride sure love Air Force One, vacations, jet setting, and having a private helicopter bring the girls their pooch. So, I have to concede that O is human after all. All we can do is hope and possibly change.

http://billmoyers.com/episode/full-show-big-jail/

Bill  Tozer

Holy smokes! Even Dildo Debbie threatened to call out the man behind the curtain for his Islamic practices.

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/wasserman-shultz-obama-anti-semitic-woman/2015/02/22/id/626235/

Bill  Tozer

Mr. Boardman. You are correct again. Rudy is waffling indeed.

https://www.facebook.com/foxandfriends/photos/a.113848842036054.27704.111938618893743/810159429071655/?type=1&theater

Brad C.

Dildo Debbie? I prefer the term battery-operated-boyfriend (BOB) except I guess she is gay so maybe she would prefer another term. How did she come by that moniker? Did it have anything to do with Texas?

Villareal vs. State
Facts (from the court’s opinion)-
On June 25, 2004, Corpus Christi Police Officer Adrian Dominguez was working undercover when he visited a business, called Friends 4 Ever, to determine if it was selling obscene materials or devices. Dominguez was aware that law enforcement agents had previously informed the business owner that the business needed to cease selling certain items that were considered obscene under state law. Appellant was at the business working as a cashier and sales clerk. During the visit, Dominguez purchased a vibrator from appellant; the vibrator was called “Lick it Lover” and resembled the male sexual organ. A few hours after Dominguez’s purchase, police officers arrived at the business, where they executed a search warrant and placed appellant under arrest.

Bill  Tozer

Brad, indeed the moniker goes back to Texas last election cycle. After the female canidate for Governor and other congressional female Democrat candidates saw they were trailing in the polls, they took the abortion debate to a new level. "The Republicans are going to take away your sex toys!" Of course Debbie from Florida was/Is the head of the Democrat Congressional Election Committee and picked up this and sent mailers out to the Carolinas, Kansas, and the sisterhood in Texas. Thus the moniker. That and being so scary looking, a nice MX Missle shaped Thermos from Starbucks is as close as she will get to the real McCoy.

Brad C.

Does not seem fair. The men don't get busted when they have sheep in the truck with them.

Bill  Tozer

Brad, Brad, Brad. Life ain't fair. Ever take your tee shirt off at a public pool? It ain't fair to the female gender, now is it? And if you look like me, it ain't fair to women, children, and anyone who just put something in their stomach. Butt ugly I be.

It's a matter of being smart, with a wee bit of luck. Ever do something like speeding and the guy behind you got pulled over? Nothing to do with fairness. The readon the stout burley Scots wear kilts is because the darn sheep can hear a zipper 100 yards away. In Missouri, the good rural boys practice safe sex by spraying a big orange X on the sheep that kicks. See, it's all out being quick on your feet, improvising, and being smart. They just want a piece of ewe. Nothing to do with fairness, but I have strayed off topic.

Obama just goes around critizing the good ole USofA endlessly like Brother Ben. Blame America first. Sure, the British colonists roughed up his grandpappys and threw him in jail. And his papa really hated the Jews. So it makes sense that Obama treats the representatives and Ambassors from Israel and Great Britian so shamefully (for a President of the USA to treat our closest allies) Secretary of State Hillary drove it home when she declared that France is our closest ally. Yep, France did help us kick the Redcoats back across The Pond. Couldn't have done it without them. Actually, the Aussies are possibly our closest ally as they have joined with us in every conflict in the last hundred years.

Can you really say Obama loves this country? If he was like me, he would say "I love my country but I fear my government." Good luck ever hearing that from Mr. Bigger Government Is Better.

George Boardman

Did Rudy make the statements cited before or after he wrote the Journal piece? If the answer is "after," then he's just pathetic.

Walt

Maybe George B. can tell us just what "O" has done or said, that's actually PRO America, and really means it. ( good luck with that)

George Rebane

GeorgeB 1123am - the cited quote from Politico is from the dinner, the original one that launched the kerfuffle.

fish

Did anybody really think that the Republicans victory last year was going to change anything in DC.........


http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/mitch-mcconnell-announces-a-vote-on-a-clean-dhs-funding-bill-is-coming-20150224

George Rebane

fish 105pm - Silly me, I did.

Brad C.

It all sounds very Christian of Obama to take the "let those without sin cast the first stone" stance regarding who are the bigger evil doers. I think he is merely pointing out that the US and all religions have done things that might seem now as over the top (Crusades, Dresden, Hiroshima).

The mention by Obama of the atrocities of the Crusades as compared to recent ISIS publicity stunts is just that- a comparison. Heck, Lincoln (the Great Emancipator) mass-hanged over 30 Indians (I guess they felt emancipated as their necks snapped), so he has ISIS beat-so far.

http://www.unitednativeamerica.com/hanging.html

Speaking of medieval behavior, the Middle East seems to be kind of retarded in that medieval way and stuck in the old tribal/religious past, probably because of sleep deprivation due to those guys chanting from the minarets across the land every 5.5 hours.
They seem very macho, and the society very male dominated (kind of like Texans with their dildo prohibition- what's next, the vegetable isle of the grocery store?).

Over the centuries, the Mid East has been overrun by various groups who have carved the place into territories. After the World Wars, a lot of lines were drawn in the sand over there by the victors without, I am guessing, consulting the locals. Seems like more than a few are still pissed off about it.

Could ISIS want to create a new 'country' based on religious and cultural homogeneity - kind of like America used to be after we killed the Indians and before the Muslims and illegals arrived?

Scott Obermuller

"It all sounds very Christian of Obama to take the "let those without sin cast the first stone" stance regarding who are the bigger evil doers."
You are joking, right?
There is no 'dildo ban' in Texas, but have fun with made up facts if that's all you have.
If you want to go for situational ethics, Brad, don't ever call for help if some one is beating you to a pulp. You wouldn't want to be hypocritical, would you?

L

Brad C. 415pm, Hiroshima saved more than a million lives, probably 100,000 of them American. Raising the flag on Mt. Fuji would have made Iwo Jima look like once around the ballroom.

And, for your information, there are more than three times more American Indians around today than at the time of the Revolution. Something about preventing disease, starvation and their wonton killing of each other on a continuing basis. Not pretty or nice, but also not extinction.

drivebyposter

"Brad C. 415pm, Hiroshima saved more than a million lives, probably 100,000 of them American."

Probably low.

http://theamericanpresident.us/images/projections.pdf

There's absolutely no point in arguing with historical revisionism based on purest BS, though. You are dealing with a form of religion, not evidence.

Todd Juvinall

Hannibal and his army killed 100,000 Romans in the battle of Cannae on August 2, 216 BC. Talk about slaughter. All hand to hand.

RL Crabb

Being that my dad was already in the Philippines getting ready for D-Day II and my uncle was wounded at Iwo Jima, I have to side with Harry using the Big One to put an end to the madness. Oh, I know it's fashionable to repeat the story that the Japanese were going to give up, even after committing suicide on every island they occupied that wasn't part of the sacred homeland, but I'm not buying it.

Scott Obermuller

It has long been a curiosity to me that lefties love to go on and on about how dishonest the US govt was in dealing with the folks that lived here before the Euros got here. Now, it is certainly true that our good ol' govt did, in fact, lie and cheat the natives on a regular basis for a good long while. So why is it that when that same govt lies and cheats us all now, we aren't supposed to talk about it? The left calls us names and claim we "hate govt".

fish

Posted by: Scott Obermuller | 25 February 2015 at 08:24 AM

I don't know Scott....after all.....they "are the ones they have been waiting for"! A variation on the lefts ongoing
"No True Scotsman" argument.

George Rebane

re RLCrabb 756am - Since their development during WW2, the nuclear weapon has arguably been the greatest savior of human life outside of vaccines and antibiotics. The lives lost in wars between countries since then have been a pittance, since all such subsequent wars have been constrained in duration and scope due to the fear that they may escalate into civilization destroying nuclear exchanges.

The biggest killers have always been governments killing their own in planned mass murders that had no limits on duration and scope (one of the downsides of the Westphalian order). The latest and greatest killing of over 100M Chinese occurred during China's Cultural Revolution - totally self-contained, ignored by the world, and still politically incorrect to talk about due to the new economic prowess of China.

As per ScottO's 824am, governments all over continue to be the distillations of their people's worst spirits. They have always extracted a terrible price for providing us with the vestiges of social organization. And as popular dumbth has become endemic, so has the ability of governments to manufacture and project evil. Our Founders knew this.

But big government has bred its own massive congregations of worshippers, promising economic salvation and social justice for those who would only believe and comply. As more and more serious observers and writers have started puzzling about the state of affairs between the worshippers and skeptics, they conclude that there is no middle ground to be found. The Great Divide is not only real, but wider than ever.

Walt

Maybe our "big gov." Lefties can tell us just how "better off" they are since our own government has taken control of our lives. Get any of the "redistribution of wealth"?
Today you need a small fortune just to think about starting a "small business",,,fees, permits, local, state and maybe FED, licenses, inspections, and the list goes on.. Yet bitch about "big money".. It Takes "big money" to just start making "little money".
Thank You Progressiveism.
Dear old Dad started his sandwich making empire on the kitchen table.( It grew to be the biggest catering business in S.F. at the time) Nope,, can't do that today. Hell Your own kid can't put a lemonade stand on the front lawn without permits and/or business licence, posted calary count and nutritional values. ( Big gov. needs to protect you from unscrupulous 12 year olds)

Ben Emery

Walt,
"Lefties can tell us just how "better off" they are since our own government has taken control of our lives. Get any of the "redistribution of wealth"?"

You are mistaken, it is corporate America (especially financial, pharmaceutical, military complex, and energy sectors)that control the Democratic and Republican Party's who in turn control our government. It is working out great for them and lousy for the rest of us.

fish

You are mistaken, it is corporate America (especially financial, pharmaceutical, military complex, and energy sectors)that control the Democratic and Republican Party's who in turn control our government. It is working out great for them and lousy for the rest of us.

Wrong Ben! Without the mechanism and threat of force backing government the entities you cite would have far less control over our lives.

So Walt is correct, it is government.

fish

Yep.....if it weren't for corporations everything would be awesome.


http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/soros-ford-shovel-196-million-to-net-neutrality-groups-staff-to-white-house/article/2560702

Todd Juvinall

My Dad was in a ship at Okinawa. He would have been part of the invading force of the Japanese Islands. I am glad Harry dropped the bombs and made them surrender. Crabb and I would not be arguing today if he did not drop them.

George Rebane

re BenE's 1056am - Another surefire demonstration of how the progressive brain dysfunctions. As Messrs Walt and fish point out it is ONLY with the corrupt government gun that corrupt corporations can keep out competition and assure their profits which contribute to keeping the corruption alive. When government grabs powers that allow it to have those relationships for sale, then they will be sold to and exercised for the benefit of the highest bidders. A progressive playbook in action as the public loudspeakers blare about the evils of capitalism, and the local lackeys take up the refrain.

Walt

Hell Ben,,, there are some corps. that have the game well figured out. If they can't sell their products, they buy the politicians to pass laws mandating their use. Nice scam.
From gas pump fittings to building materials. All in the name of "safety", or " global warming". That especially true right here in Ca.
Try building a deck with nails alone these days. ( NOT going to happen)

Gas stations spend big money on vapor recovery. They don't work for shit, but they are "mandated".

Scott Obermuller

Obama just vetoed the pipeline - now Ben has to figure out what his new story is about the corps running the govt. I'm sure he has a dandy reason to tell us.

drivebyposter

"You are mistaken, it is corporate America (especially financial, pharmaceutical, military complex, and energy sectors)that control the Democratic and Republican Party's who in turn control our government. It is working out great for them and lousy for the rest of us"

If you extend the concept of 'corporate' to the notion of self-interested ethnic groups or government unions, I completely buy the concept.

What is 'us' then?

The government itself probably could be considered the largest corporation. Increasingly strong Caesars are reasonable guess for the future.

It seems to me that Spengler's 'Faustian' culture is on the way out in any case. The Western industrial culture, with help from within (which you can see in this forum), is following Oswald Spengler's predicted glidepath. Just do the best you can. A quick quote from his book "Man & Technics':

"The history of this technics is fast drawing to its inevitable close.. It will be eaten up from within, like the
grand forms of any and every Culture. When, and in what fashion, we know not.

Faced as we are with this destiny, there is only one world. outlook that is worthy
of us, that which has already been mentioned as the Choice of Achilles — better a
short life, lull of deeds and glory, than a long life without content. Already the danger
is so great, for every individual, every class, every people, that to cherish any illusion
whatever is deplorable. Time does not suffer itself to be halted; there is no question of
prudent retreat or wise renunciation. Only dreamers believe that there is a way out.
Optimism is cowardice.

We are born into this time and must bravely follow the path to the destined
end. There is no other way. Our duty is to hold on to the lost position, without hope,
without rescue, like that Roman soldier whose bones were found in front of a door in
Pompeii, who, during the eruption of Vesuvius, died at his post because they forgot to
relieve him. That is greatness. That is what it means to be a thoroughbred. The
honourable end is the one thing that can not be taken from a man. "

Ben Emery

I do include labor unions into the special interest category and they should not be able to control through contributions anymore than Chamber of Commerce should.

What the US government has turned into is a massive corporation with the soul purpose of increasing profits for large corporations and industry. Homeland Security is Crony Capitalism at its worst. The EPA and USDA has been captured by the Monsanto's of the world. SEC has been in control by The Fed, Goldman Sachs, ect.... for a long time. Name the regulatory agency and there are going to be three or four companies who control it. If we look at lobbying for regulations it is these companies that spend the most to keep small independent businesses from competing with the giants. Just look at the Dodd/ Frank law and how many lobbyists from financial sector with massive checks in hand flooded the halls of congress. The number was in the thousands and the result is a very convoluted law that didn't address the very things that caused the financial meltdown.

drivebyposter

"What the US government has turned into is a massive corporation with the sole purpose of increasing profits for large corporations and industry. Homeland Security is Crony Capitalism at its worst."

It's fairly obvious that national government is largely in place as a conduit for a system of spoils. An awful lot of the money goes to special interest groups that don't look a bit like Lockheed Martin, but that's a quibble.

Since the US has a corrupt system of resource distribution via government, the correct response would be to shrink that government, no?

Personally, I think that the system that produced the F-35 fighter and Section 8 housing will continue down it's current drainhole. Even for the Emerys, their individual Prime Directives should be to avoid the inevitable train crash. In the end, personal relationships will count for more than political hand waving.

George Rebane

One more time. Government is the large nexus of special interest corruption only to the extent that it is given the size and power to control both selectively and comprehensibly. Now look for the ideologies that promote such size and power.

fish

Posted by: Ben Emery | 26 February 2015 at 07:47 AM

Ah....still looking at the results and never the causes.

The government you desire, the one that fixes every injustice, soothes every hurt, and wipes every runny nose of the increasingly moronic and numbed populace must be, by definition, so massive that it's an irresistible target for crony rent seekers.

Sorry Ben.....you can't have your benign welfare state without your murderous corporate warfare state.

Scott Obermuller

Ben - you are continuing to ignore the holes in your theory. The corps try to run things as much as they can through what ever channels they can, but ultimately it's the voters that put folks in office. You don't like lobbyists in the halls of congress? They aren't the only ones there. Corps pay taxes and have every right to be represented. Who gets to pick and choose who talks to our representatives? Just you?
What are your solutions? Public financed elections? How much does that cost and who gets to decide which 'favored' candidates get the money?
Our govt is corrupt for these reasons:
1 Power corrupts - more govt equals more power.
2 Folks in power tend to want more power (more govt) and they tend to favor govt education that teaches that govt is the answer to everything.
3 As a nation, we are fat, dumb and happy. Basically we're human and we fall into bad habits. We take things for granted and start to assume we are owed stuff.
We are in a vicious downward cycle with an electorate that now is convinced that the govt is the source of all of our stuff. Turning that around from this point is impossible as far as I can see. I would love to be proven wrong.
Ever since we have had social order and govts there have been folks like Ben that want to blame some outside malevolent force - the Jews, the bankers, the negroes and so on. Look in the mirror.
Pogo: "We have met the enemy and he is us!"
Rule number one: don't vote for anyone that claims they will solve your problems.
There is no rule number 2.

Walt

Ben outs the EPA?? Hay Ben.. The EPA is the LIBS biggest lovechild, and pretty much the most powerful of gov. jackboot thuggery. They are one of the most Socialist gov. departments. BTW.. Also didn't like the XL pipeline. ( nope,, big business didn't get any favors there.)

joe smith

Walt 0829
"Big business didn't get any favors there". You are as dumb as a can of Spam.
HUGE corporate dollars lobbied against XL. Who owns Burlington Northern that currently hauls the oil? Who represents the trucking industry? Motels, restaurants, paving contractors, on and on have a vested interest in keeping the status quo.You are so busy looking at yourself in the mirror you forget there is another side.

Walt

OH.... You mean BIG LIB donors? You may care to see who makes big bucks off "oil by rail".
Then there is the ECO lobby.. The one "O" is blowing at the moment.
"O" sure made the LIB labor unions " lean forward" on the XL,, then gave it to them "hard and dry". He made them a bunch of promises, and screwed them but good.

George Rebane

joes 900am - You mean to tell us that MSNBC got it all wrong when it identified courting Obama's far left constituency - the ones dead set against the pipeline - as the real reason for his XL veto?

Paul Emery

Gosh Walt

Wasn't the EPA started by a Republican President-Richard Nixon? On top of that it was a Presidential order. You can thank the Repubs for that one.

Walt

Back to that again Paul? Yaa,,, never mind the FACT that needle bending ECO LIBS have taken over, and infested it? It goes to show that anything actually good a Repub did, LIBS can bastardize, ruin, and turn evil.
Never mind that EPA of today has used bogus science to push the LIB agenda. ( that would be from the exposed frauds of AGW) The same crap CARB of Ca. has used.

George Rebane

PaulE 1020am - I don't think anyone here has held Republicans blameless for their public policies, especially the more progressive Repubs like Nixon. But it defies regular logic to blame the brownshirt jackboot tactics the EPA has adopted since then, under strong Democrat support and less effective Republican opposition, on either Nixon or the GOP. However, leftwing logic is unaffected by such considerations.

(BTW, following similar argument with other government departments, it is easy to see which ideology is rapidly taking America toward a prison nation.)

Todd Juvinall

Gosh Paul Emery, wasn't this country formed by men who said we are in charge of the government? And look at it now. Your pals in the government have taken us. Jeeze, your logic is crapola!

Walt

On the subject of government agencies,, and jack boot tactics, now AMMO is in their cross hairs. If they can't ban the gun, ban the ammo. The rush is on as I type to get what they can. The good ol' .22 ammo is harder to find than Bigfoot as it is, now .223 and 5.56 will be just as scarce. If it fits the AR15, the "G" man will ban it.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2560750

Good thing I shoot .308, and my buddy reloads.

Walt

As promised... Look what BIG GOV. has done now.
http://dailycaller.com/2015/02/26/fcc-votes-in-favor-of-net-neutrality/

El Jeffy will be orgasmic.
If George is getting too much traffic here, some of us may be redirected ( in the spirit of fairness) to his lonely page, if we like it or not.... ( don't think in can happen? This is LIB government at work...)

Brad C.

Do politicians get into politics in order to do good - or to do well? Altruism, or ego/self-interest for personal gain? A little of both? Do they first find it personally rewarding, then realize it can be financially rewarding also?
Whatever the answer, you will find it in both political parties.

fish

Do politicians get into politics in order to do good - or to do well?

I think in the beginning most tell themselves that it is the former. Clearly they stay for the latter.

Scott Obermuller

Just read the bullet ban language. Because it's 'armour piercing'.
Because the electorate are idiots they actually believed the hooey about 'bullet-proof' vests and 'armour piercing bullets'.
Bullet-proof vests aren't and never have been. All sorts of rounds can kill some one with an 'bullet-proof' vest.
AR-15s can be re-chambered to a different round and then they'll ban that kind of ammo. And on and on we go. You can always spot an evil govt when they go after the citizens right to arm them selves to the point at which they are a threat to the govt. The govt is supposed to be afraid of us. The line in the sand has been drawn and it ain't in the dessert of some far off country. Obama can wage war after all - just not overseas. Right here against American citizens.
Combine the bullet ban with their new plans to control the flow of info and we have us a full on fascist govt.

Walt

Yes Scott, I have the AR15's big daddy. AR10...( .308) They look almost identical.
The AR upper receiver can be changed out to just about any cal. If you have an AR, you can buy any upper you like and walk out with it. Be sure to get the proper magazine for your diff. ammo.
BTW. My Ruger stock is up 6.60 on the news. My ammo maker's stock should be doing the same soon.

Paul Emery

Gosh and golly guys. I was just trying to put a little historical perspective on the origins of the EPA. Any problem with that? You guys are sooooo sensitive.

George Rebane

Re bullet ban regs - Our Founders gave us the right to bear arms for the prime purpose of securing ourselves from our government becoming a tyranny (just like George III was a few years before). The whole purpose of our having those guns is to be able to penetrate the bullet-proof vests of future battalions of our Gestapo, KGB, Stasi, ... . If the only kind of firearms and ammo our government lets us keep are those against which their minions are secure, then the Second Amendment has been constructively repealed.

I discussed this more fully under the notion of 'par force'.
http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2008/04/par-force-an-un.html

Walt

No Paul,, your just trying to blow a dog whistle.
Another classic Paul " But look over here!" ( otherwise known as "trolling")

Paul Emery

No Walt, just trying to put things in historical perspective.

Speaking of EPA corruption Reagan's gal at the top takes the cake. Remember "Sewergate" ? I almost forgot about it. Yes, the glorious Reagan years!

"Rita M. Lavelle, former chief of the Environmental Protection Agency's toxic waste programs, was sentenced today to six months in prison and fined $10,000 for lying to Congress."

http://www.nytimes.com/1984/01/10/us/rita-lavelle-gets-6-month-term-and-is-fined-10000-for-perjury.html

fish

"Rita M. Lavelle, former chief of the Environmental Protection Agency's toxic waste programs, was sentenced today to six months in prison and fined $10,000 for lying to Congress."


Wow.....these days that gets you a promotion and a book deal. Times were hard back then.

George Rebane

I have long been arguing incompetence for what has issued from the White House. But then there's the opposing argument.

Brad C.

Pay no attention to the article in the SFChronicle on AGW,

http://www.sfchronicle.com/science/article/Berkeley-experts-study-strengthens-human-link-6101054.php

fish

Posted by: George Rebane | 26 February 2015 at 03:03 PM

To the cheers of a large segment of the populace!

fish

Posted by: Brad C. | 26 February 2015 at 03:31 PM

Stay tuned for thorough debunking of this latest study in 5....4....3....2......!


It really chafes that people challenge your faith doesn't it Brad.

Brad C.

Fish, Gotcha! and as always, lol!

Ben Emery

Scott,
You stopped at lobbying when in fact it is the vote that I am most concerned with.

-Why do you think the GOP has been pushing to eliminate as many eligible voters as possible?

-Why are dark money super pacs allowed to invest into campaign with no disclosure where the money came from i.g. Cuba, China, Russia, Israel

-Why is it that we have a retention rate between 85-90% in the US Senate and House of Representatives when for decades the approval rating of congress is at an average of around 30%? 113th congress was in the single digits for awhile.

-When elections are privately funded and no spending caps are in place the candidate who spends the most money wins 90% of the time. To get large sums of money relatively quick do you try to reach out to millions of people for small donations or go to the small few PACS or wealthy individuals to receive the money and in exchange there are specific votes that need to be made in their donor favor.

Our federal government is not supposed to be the big or powerful over the people. As we continue down the path of big money to play in politics the bigger and invasive our federal and state governments become. At the ground level we get screwed trying to rally enough support for change that takes years to create and then swiped away in one court ruling by SCOTUS with powers they have taken upon themselves and were not laid out in their US Constitutional powers.

fish

Posted by: Brad C. | 26 February 2015 at 03:54 PM

Russ did a fairly comprehensive analysis of the amount of carbon that would be removed under the current proposal as it pertains to California specifically ....it's minuscule.

The per capita annual carbon generated in the US from using fossil fuels is about 4.4 tons. California’s population is 38,800,000. So if carbon emissions for the entire state went to zero, we would prevent 170,720,000 tons of carbon from entering the atmosphere each year. That sounds like an impressive number, but it is only 0.17072 gigatons (GT). The Earth’s atmosphere contains 720 GT of carbon. The oceans contain 38,400 GT. Every year, the atmosphere and oceans exchange about 90 GT of carbon. Nothing the state of California does is going to measurably change the composition of Earth’s atmosphere, and any claim to the contrary is utterly irrational.


India and China, despite their recent PR moves declared long ago that they planned to treat themselves as "developing nations" (read exempt from emission regulation) for the next hundred years or so. They are close to emitting what we now do and will only emit more as they continue to industrialize.

Explain to me how, other than making you guys feel good, that you've really been part of something that "made a difference", that this will have any appreciable effect of the environment?

...and of course, and as always......LOL!

Ben Emery

George,
President Obama is no different than any of the last 4 Presidents. He is the front person for some very powerful special interests that have taken over all avenues of information that reach the White House. Personally I believe all 5 of those Presidents broke international law and are war criminals and George W Bush and Barack Obama have shredded the US Constitution and should have faced impeachment trials in congress.

Do not mix up hating policies of our government with hating our country. Would you say all of those conservatives that spoke out against or hated the New Deal and progressive era that followed haters of America? My guess is you wouldn't.

The US since the cold war has made a turn down a dark path and since the fall of the USSR has made an even darker turn to become the antithesis of the ideals our nation was founded on, in my opinion of course.

fish

Stay tuned for thorough debunking of this latest study in 5....4....3....2......!


My response @ 4:16 was not the debunking....I expect that to come from elsewhere....each side manages to eviscerate their oppositions documentation on a near daily basis.

George Rebane

BenE 420pm - That Obama is no different than the last 4 presidents is a contention that today receives tremendous nationwide pushback. Your news sources probably carry none of it, so you believe it is only something you read on RR. Daniel Henninger, WSJ Dep Editor, summarized the opposing sentiment this way -

"The U.S. just tried electing a rookie president and had six years of amateur hour. It doesn’t work. ..., the seriousness of the task facing voters in 2016: Elect a successor to the most catastrophic American presidency in over 80 years. And it ain’t over yet."

(BTW, have no idea what your ding-dong school lecture about mixing hating country to hating the policies of some miscreant leaders is all about. These years of commentaries demonstrate that most certainly I know the difference. Moreover, I knew and defended that difference when you were still a sanitary problem for your parents.)

George Rebane

I draw your kind attention to this post's 26feb15 update.

Todd Juvinall

Ben Emery, please tell us who fits your bill as a leader for the country. Also, do you have a plan to elect that person?

Scott Obermuller

From Ben:
"Why do you think the GOP has been pushing to eliminate as many eligible voters as possible?"
Total BS, Ben. BUT - let's go with your hallucination. What is the total number of 'eligible voters' that have been horse whipped back into their homes by the Rs?
What if they had gone to the voting booth and voted?
Now comes your point about the re-election rate of our reps.
"Why is it that we have a retention rate between 85-90% in the US Senate and House of Representatives when for decades the approval rating of congress is at an average of around 30%?"
If you took the time to look at the breakdowns in each election, you would find most won on overwhelming numbers. Add in the made up numbers of voters kept from voting because of the Rs and it would be the same result.
Your question about why do folks re-elect their own representative when they hold congress in general at a low regard is so easy once you actually think instead of just regurgitating Daily Kos BS.
The polls are taken of a sample of folks that may or may not even vote.
The poll reflects how the average person feels about the job the entire congress is doing. Not the person they personally voted for. Both the left and the right think the congress is doing a crappy job. A lot of folks in the middle just don't think they have enough money in their pocket. Must be the fault of congress. I happen to like Logue and McClintock and have voted for them. Not perfect, but good enough to vote for. They represent a small minority in congress and can not make policy changes or force votes on important changes that are needed.
Hence - over the years, I like my choice, but I don't like the job congress in general is doing.
Most people like their 'guy' because he's promised them stuff and promises to punish the folks they don't like. So they march into the booth and vote for him or her again and again and again.
Most voters haven't got a clue as to what's going on in the world. They are the problem.
Please tell me why the govt gun taking even more of my money to start another bureaucracy in order to give money to another Dem in California to run for office is going to make things better? You want a corrupt govt to have more money to pick who wins the election. Wow. Sounds real good. We have a big and powerful govt because most of the voters want it that way. Ask the average voter that thinks the govt is too big what part of govt they want eliminated. Uh-Oh. Well, well, uh - not that or that or that or that - come to think of it, they can't think of any part of govt they want eliminated. Actually they want more, now that you asked. And now we have govt control over the internet. And the average Joe thinks that's swell. "No rich SOB is gonna get movies down loaded any faster than me! I'm an Amurican and I have my rights!"
See how it works?

Ben Emery

Scott,
#1 - The numbers are in the millions.

#2- Retention rates have to do with Gerrymandering and Campaign Spending. Both reasons eliminating virtually any chance of an independent candidate winning a seat in state houses, congress, or the Presidency. Out of 535 congressional representatives 2 are independent from the Republican or Democratic Party. In California I believe not a single state rep is outside the two parties.

The result of #2 makes any candidate who actually wants to serve in a state or federal elected office go through the two massively corrupted political parties.

Public financing has signature and small donation requirements, both are very tough to meet but it takes someone serious to qualify for the funding. Getting a couple dozen people is relatively easy but getting a couple hundred is very difficult.

Todd Juvinall

Second request of Ben Emery.

Ben Emery, please tell us who fits your bill as a leader for the country. Also, do you have a plan to elect that person?

Ben Emery

Bernie Sanders is who I am supporting for 2016 and grassroots democracy campaigning is the plan on getting him elected.

Paul Emery

George

Are you serious? Obama was more catastrophic than Bush? The before and after of Bush's eight years are without comparison in modern times. Really, he was asleep at the wheel when our country was attacked, responded by wasting our military in Iraq which had nothing to do with 9/11, got us involved in two endless unfunded wars costing us trillions of dollars and thousands of lives, and he sat around while our economy collapsed and did nothing to warn us of the fraud and corruption that caused the stock market and real estate values to collapse with massive unemployment and added trillions to our national debt. Now that's a legacy second to none.

Scott Obermuller

Really, Ben - "The numbers are in the millions."
And the list of these 'millions' is available where?
You really think these 'millions' of made up folks scattered out in all of the thousands of precincts would make any difference? Even if they all magically voted for B. Sanders, he still wouldn't get much of the vote.
You want to limit govt by electing B. Sanders?
Since the system is all rigged, How did B. Sanders get elected?
If Bernie Sanders was pres and he vetoed the pipeline bill, how is that different from Obama vetoing the pipeline bill?
Do you really think all of the 'independent' politicians would all fall in left wing lock step? You might want to consider that there are a lot of right wing 'independent' folks that would just nullify your independents. Votes on Capitol Hill are aye or nay. The political party affiliation of the person voting doesn't count.
Sorry, Ben. We get the govt we deserve. There is no secret cabal of hand-rubbing white capitalists magically running the govt.
I know you can hardly wait until the govt forces you to hand money over to one of the Koch bros as they run for elected office, but I like to be able to support only the candidates I want.

Michael R. Kesti

Scott Obermuller 26Feb15 09:42 PM

Really, Ben - "The numbers are in the millions."
And the list of these 'millions' is available where?

There is, of course, no such list because there can be no such list. That list's absence is therefore proof of nothing. I both hope and suspect that you can do better, Scott.

The above should in no way be construed as my agreement with Ben Emerey's opinion that the Republican Party seeks to disenfranchise voters.

Bill  Tozer

Mr. Kesti, there is only one E in Emery, FYI. ;)

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