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30 May 2015

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Don Bessee

Prayers to his family and RIP to a great man. Enjoyed his company last at the Republican spring dinner which was dedicated to him and celebrated his life and achievements. He was honored with proclamations from both Congressmen as well as our State senator and assemblymen.

Walt

Mr. Robinson was a good friend of the family, as so with all his kin.
He will be missed. My condolences to Tim and his family. They just got over dealing with another death in the family.

Russ Steele

Lowell Robinson was a community pillar that will be missed. I interviewed him several times on economic issues and found his insight to be very helpful in understanding the core of an issue, especially transportation, timber and environmental issues. We will all miss his wisdom and insight.

Todd Juvinall

OMG! I just saw him at the Republican tribute to him. He looked great. Sorry Lowell, but heaven awaits.

Bonnie McGuire

Sorry to hear. Have known him since high school. A very fine person who has done so much for our community. Our best wishes for his wonderful family.

Walt

Bonnie. Did know you are a "lifer" around these parts. Glad to hear it.
I hope he gets a proper send off, fitting for an old logger.

Bonnie McGuire

Walt...It's wonderful to have been born and raised here. Lowell was a couple of years older, and his brother Neil was in my class. Husband Mel is a little older than Lowell. We were in the trucking business and hauled all kinds of things, but mostly logs for over 40 years and then bought a Woodmizer sawmill and milled lumber for another 15 years. One of our sons has worked for Robinson many years. They're good, down to earth people who know how to get things done.

Bonnie McGuire

George, just want you to know your sandbox and other discussions are wonderful compared to some I've noted elsewhere. We're very fortunate you put forth the effort. The result is greater understanding about many things. Thank you

George Rebane

BonnieM 601am - Thank you for the kind and appreciative words Bonnie. No matter how different are our views of the world and what is happening in America, we do need a place to make our points and explain ourselves. Agreement is not required for understanding each other. And those undeclared, uncommitted, unsure, or hewing to some muddled middle may benefit from seeing the stark differences that now polarize our country.

Todd Juvinall

I echo Bonnie's words here and thank George for the opportunity to debate, smackdown and get smacked down by words! I noticed today that MA and SF are now over at the CABPRO Reports spewing their dogma. Those two are, along with the Emery's, a good example of clueless people.

Bill Tozer

Dr. Rebane, are you certain that your readers would prefer some new insight rather than wading through snark on snark? I dunno. Snarky you say?

http://snarkamendment.blogspot.com/2014/05/benghazi-is-back-because-it-never-left.html

George Rebane

BillT 931am - Yes Mr Tozer, some days it does make one wonder where lie the true joys of wide ranging discourse ;-)

steven frisch

Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 31 May 2015 at 08:31 AM


Are you talking about the old CABPRO blog from 2012 Todd? or the new neo-Nazi CABPRO that posts covers from the Vőlkischer Beobachter?

http://cabproreport.typepad.com/weblog/cabpro/

Gregory

Thanks to Frisch for his Godwin forfeit.

steven frisch

Posted by: Gregory | 31 May 2015 at 11:36 AM


Sorry Greg, if there is such a thing as a Goodwin forfeit, the honor goes to CABPRO for featuring the Hitler Youth on the cover of their newsletter :)

George Rebane

Just for the record, there is indeed a 'Godwin forfeit' (Gregory 1136am) that derives from Godwin's Law - "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."

Todd Juvinall

So let me understand. Frisch calls people Nazi's and then claims a article about how bad the Nazi's are is something bad? Jeeze, liberals are just stupid. And Gregory is correct, Frisch (the Truckee troll) loses again.

Gregory

The classic statement of Godwin's law of Nazi Analogies is that the one who brings up the Nazis is the one who automatically loses, and Frisch's out of the blue that labels the current CABPRO as neo-Nazi qualifies both in a Godwin context and, arguably, defamation, something Frisch has shown no small talent for.

I expect CABPRO will always have a special place in Frisch's black heart for being central in thwarting the wretchedly misnamed Sierra Business Council's NH2020 initiative. I have never been a CABPRO supporter but they did a nice job helping to get us out from under that one.

Todd Juvinall

You are correct Gregory. CABPRO under Margaret Urke's leadership back then did defeat Frisch's attempt to destroy the people's private property rights and allow the government to come on that property without a warrant to search for "flora and fauna" they thought was important. Yes, Frisch is what I would call a true supporter of fascism since he pounded his chest and did forums for NH2020 as I recall. Drew Bedwell saved the citizens of Nevada County from people like Frisch and the Gang of Four.

Bonnie McGuire

It's amazing. When Pres. Bush senior told us we were going into a new One World government that wouldn't be Communist nor Capitalist I wondered why he didn't mention Socialist like the German National Socialists (Nazi's) since we seemed to be following their pattern. Before Hitler was elected Germany even had its "Back to the Earth" green environmental movement....hence the well taken care of Black Forrest everyone used to admire. It's not only amazing, but almost funny that so many don't remember and therefore don't realize we're repeating what we condemned.

Todd Juvinall

I went to the State and reviewed the Sierra Business Council's last 990 which was 2013. After a review I determined it is operated along the lines as the Clinton Foundation. Wow! The libs really know how to use a 501 c3 for a make work organization and are all very creative in their "expenses" for travel and other things. I would suggest these "non-profits" should be reviewed as closely as the IRS has the Tea Party requests. Mu goodness no wonder there is a 18 trillion dollar deficit. All the freeloading going on is breathtaking!

Here is the link to the SBC PDF, you judge them for veracity.

http://207.153.189.83/EINS/680397204/680397204_2013_0aed79d9.PDF

Todd Juvinall

The SBC is the antithesis to Lowell Robinson's endeavors that actually mad money and paid taxes all these years. What is wrong with the SBC picture?

George Rebane

Point to ponder - Out of a $3.5T federal budget the government awards about $500B annually to for-profit companies for such things as defense systems, road building/repair, office supplies, transportation, food, fuel, ... . It also awards about $700B in grants, etc to non-profits.

Todd Juvinall

I reviewed the Department of Agriculture's budget and way down in the bowels are all the "grants" it gives to non-profits. Billions of dollars! If one reviews all the Executive departments it is revealed they all have these slush funds they send money to their pals in the eco and liberal business models. I have asked many times over the years for a review and explanation of why the taxpayers are being fleeced. No answers, no changes to the scams.

Gregory

In today's The Union, George Boardman has indeed chosen argumentum ad verecundiam over scientific argument, with a side of pickled red herring in a tobacco sauce as a distraction. On the web it isn't as yet included in the Columns section but it is in the middle of the editorial page in the ePaper edition.

George, I know your'e out there, here's a tidbit from James Lovelock, of Gaia fame, one of the demigods of the environmental movement:

The great climate science centres around the world are more than well aware how weak their science is. If you talk to them privately they're scared stiff of the fact that they don't really know what the clouds and the aerosols are doing. They could be absolutely running the show. We haven't got the physics worked out yet. One of the chiefs once said to me that he agreed that they should include the biology in their models, but he said they hadn't got the physics right yet and it would be five years before they do. So why on earth are the politicians spending a fortune of our money when we can least afford it on doing things to prevent events 50 years from now? They've employed scientists to tell them what they want to hear...

We do need scepticism about the predictions about what will happen to the climate in 50 years, or whatever. It's almost naive, scientifically speaking, to think we can give relatively accurate predictions for future climate. There are so many unknowns that it's wrong to do it.

In the five years since Lovelock said that to The Guardian, the science behind clouds and aerosols being a missing piece of the climate puzzle has only gotten stronger. I became aware of the issues of variable albedo (reflectiveness) of the Earth as a result of other factors in early 2007 and there is a 540 million year record of the ocean temperatures varying in lockstep with the galactic cosmic ray flux our solar system is bathed in. GCR's role in creating cloud condensation nuclei has been also established in a major ongoing experiment at CERN, CLOUD (Cosmics Leaving OUtdoor Droplets). The co-author of the paper I thought was most impactful, "Celestial driver of Phanerozoic climate?", astrophysicist Nir Shaviv, was at the time a fairly obscure assistant professor of physics in Jerusalem but is now a full professor and has spent the last year at Princeton's Institute for Advanced Studies as an IBM Einstein Fellow, a nice way to spend a vacation away from students.

George Boardman, it's clear you don't read the science yourself, find yourself a copy of "The Chilling Stars", authored by the late Philip Calder (a science writer) with Henrik Svensmark, a Danish physicist who found himself a target of the climate cabal when he published on an interesting correlation of cloudiness with cosmic ray incidence. If you're capable of reading articles in Scientific American, a Svensmark paper, "Cosmoclimatology" was in Astronomy & Geophysics in early 2007. I'd suggest reading Scientific American on the subject but they drank the CO2 Koolaid a long time ago.

Todd Juvinall

GeorgeB's column was another foolish attempt to discredit those who argue the science is unsettled. I would like him to do an indepth article on how much money the taxpaters have spent through grants to "scientists" and government agencies trying to prove the computer models are right. But as we know, the computer models have been tweaked numerous times to get the results the AGW crowd wants. Vaclav Klaus said it best, AGW is political not science. But GeorgeB has drunk the koolaid.

Gregory

Todd, try not to delve into the science, you just don't have the knack.

Boardman, one of the best balanced pieces meant for general consumption in the last year is "Climate Science is not Settled", a detailed op-ed in the WSJ last fall by a former professor of physics and provost at CalTech:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/climate-science-is-not-settled-1411143565

If you don't have a WSJ sub and don't know how to retrieve a paywalled WSJ article without the sub, try the library, it's the Sept 19 2014 issue. Steven Koonin, purer than Caesar's wife in the world of physics, was appointed by the American Physical Society's climate statement crafted after the IPCC flag was raised in 2006 and the world's scientific societies were pushed to salute it. In the APS' case, the top officers (none of whom had any expertise in climate) drafted the statement in private at a jolly nice lunch and they apparently appointed Koonin because all those deniers would have to believe him, but Koonin didn't come to the answer the APS officers wanted, and so the statement remains untouched a year and a half after the review began, long after, under APS rules, statements are to be reviewed,

The WSJ piece was apparently written and published after the APS stalemate was clear... in effect, Koonin's resignation from the statement review.

Todd Juvinall

Gregory, I didn't get into the science, I leave that too you. I do the politics which is more my forte'. Klaus confirmed what I wrote about the politics in 1997 when all this crapola started. It is a way to imprison people in a dogma of lies to gain their money and enslave. All very simple. I will argue on the politics and leave the science to those who think that is what it is all about.

Gregory

Todd, scarequoting "scientists" is making a scientific judgment you'd best leave on the table, as is claiming they are tweaking the models based on what the AGW crowd wants, as if they were just doing their duty.

There's a long history in science of scientists often unconsciously tweaking results in favor of what they just *know* is the reality. As Richard Feynman said in an address to CalTech graduates, "The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool."

George Rebane

re Gregory's 1234pm - Mr Boardman should have seen this last fall.
http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2014/09/walking-back-climate-science-policy.html

Russ Steele

George Boardman destroys his credibility in latest Union Column. Details here: http://sierrafoothillcommentary.com/2015/06/01/boardmans-credibility-blown/

Bonnie McGuire

Todd...Good observations on your part. I don't care if it's science, religion, medicine...whatever. If it's a group there's politics involved. Those who want to rule and those looking for special favors. Add money, and it's a done deal. There's real science that admits it doesn't have all the answers, and paid science that claims to know it all.

Todd Juvinall

All this is politics and the AGW promoters are simply those that want to control. Just look at our state. The real reason all this AB32 crapola is in place can be seen in the rules and regulations we now have to bow to and to the billions in the bank of California, looking for someone to spend it. California is the poster child on what AGW really is all about.

George Rebane

In Mr Boardman's favor, I don't think that he has destroyed his credibility, except, perhaps, with those of his readers who are indiscriminately credulous. His more discriminating audience knows his credentials in interpreting the veracity of things scientific, and therefore saw his column to be a commentary of his opinions that it clearly was. We here take him to task not for his (lack of) scientific knowledge, but for how he views reports from science and then interprets them.

All scientific knowledge is constantly under revision, it's a work in progress. Even lay people quickly become aware of this as they read in the popular press a constant litany of changes and revisions in the prescriptions and prognostications from science that impact our diets, exercise, psychological wellbeing, first response to trauma, etc. No one with any understanding of science has 'settled science' in their lexicon.

Todd Juvinall

GeorgeB falls into the category of "duped" in my opinion. That doesn't make him a bed person, just not too informed. I look at the language=ge for a lot of my proof about somethings veracity. Orwell was correct that changing a words meaning or definition is very telling. AGW is a prime example.

George Rebane

Administrivia - Dear readers, I invite your attention to the 2jun15 update to this post. Time to get worried?

Walt

OK,, lets hear what the nay saying Lefties have to say.
I put nothing past "O" and Co.at this point. The FEDS saw what can go down at the Ted Bundy Ranch, and now may be acting accordingly. " We have rednecks with guns who know how to use them".

Bill Tozer

Well, call them what you will, but they do resemble Nazi Youth. And they called my buddies in the Lone Star State looney tunes for noticing that a few Wal-marts had closed for plumbing repairs as Homeland Security vehicles were amassing behind the stores, not in the front parking lot. Boy, what are military vehicles doing there hiding in the back?? I bet they were fixing the plumbing along with FEMA Corps.

http://www.whiteoutpress.com/articles/q42012/homeland-security-graduates-first-corps-of-homeland-youth/

I guess if you wanted to go for the jugular, Texas would be as good a place as any to start. Nothing to see here, and, yes, they are not technically Nazi Youth.

Scott Obermuller

I'm concerned, but not worried. Worry doesn't do a bit of good about anything. I'm certainly not too surprised. This nation is headed for financial collapse of some sort. Have no idea when, but the trajectory only points one way. We continue to fall further into debt with no plan whatever to stop. What do people think will happen? It's the same story around the world, so all it will take is some financial hicup in a far off land to bring the whole pile down. Even with rigid wage and price controls, folks will realize the money's no good and there will be massive shortages of needed items. Around about then the word will get out that certain areas (large urban populations) have plenty and the more rural outlying areas are being starved. It's not really evil - it's just that if you only have so much, you prioritize your resources to the most in the smallest areas. Most of the power structure lives in these areas and they don't want rioting a few blocks away. This training seems to be pointed at subduing the uppity country yokels.
Might be in my lifetime - might not. There appears to be nothing I can do about it since I'm in a tiny minority. I'm not going to beat my head against a wall. I can suggest folks read books like 'The Envoy'.
You get a very vivid view of 'civilization' with a few supports kicked away. Humans are hardly far from animals when a few societal norms are removed.

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