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27 October 2015

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Jon

A total compromise budget is "hard left"? lol. Could it be that the 4 leaders of Congress didn't look at the annual budget process in military terms of killing and destroying, but rather a way to come together and do something bi-partisan for once? Split country, split philosophies- seems like a compromise budget is about right. And the full faith and credit of the US is fairly important I would think.

On another note, re: the big NYT piece today on the melting of Greenland. Would like comments from the denialist types here always talking about a new ice age and building up of ice in polar/cold regions. Is this piece about Greenland a lie? Why is Greenland's ice pack now largely a series of rivers draining to the ocean?

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/10/27/world/greenland-is-melting-away.html

Walt

Now here is a nice steaming pile for the sandbox.
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2015/10/27/the-lefts-war-on-comment-sections/

Who else of the LIB persuasion do we know of keeps a jackboot on comments?

Jon

Walt, why do you think Greenland is melting? Just take a wild guess!

Todd Juvinall

Is it the land and the ice? Greenland melting? What a hoot! And the NYT! Those darn Vikings settled that land a thousand years ago (even grew grapes) and then it iced up and they left. I guess their Bugatti automobiles did not work well then.

Gregory

There is melting in Greenland every year in the northern hemisphere summer months, I thought you knew that, Jon.

The gold standard for meteorology in the Arctic is the Danish Meteorological Institute...
http://www.dmi.dk/en/groenland/maalinger/greenland-ice-sheet-surface-mass-budget/

If you look at the Acc. SMB (Gt) chart about 2/3rds down, you'll see that Greenland is currently adding ice mass at a rate above the 2 sigma level variations for the date. The scary articles that are keeping you up at night are projections assuming IPCC predictions are correct.

Walt

OK "jon",, explain the petrified forest in Arizona. (it's now desert lands)
Yup, there used to be trees there! How bout that "global warming" for ya'?

Somehow people like you believe they can keep things just the way there are, right now.

How bout the nice aquatic fossils they find around Folsom? That was beach front property.

Really want Yosemite to be full of ice again? It really wasn't that long ago.

Just a few years ago, man made artifacts have been found on the bottom of the English channel. (from human settlements)

The seas go up, the seas go down, and there is jack shit we can do about it.
That bright ball of fire in the sky has control of what happens here. Not the "carbon bullshit" the ECO bastards push.
How bout all these fires? Just think of all the crap they put up? Yet nothing "climate wise" has happened.
By the loony tune ECO bastards thinking (and hocky stick) Hawaii should be uninhabitable
today, and underwater.
Seen pictures of Hawaii and the beaches from way back when? It sure looks the same today.

Steven Frisch

Posted by: Jon | 27 October 2015 at 03:42 PM

Boy these guys are going to love it when Paul Ryan guts the Freedom Caucus :)

Jon

Sorry Greg, there is not this level of melting in Greenland every year. But millions of people understand that, as reflected on the front page of the NYT. If you don't it really doesn't matter.

Jon

Steve, evening to you as well. Bad week in DC for the "freedom" caucus and Co, to say the least! And even the Trumpster has had a bad one too!

Do you have any idea what the host was trying to say about Lawton, OK on the other thread about Muslims in Europe? LOL.

Jon

Walt, please cite where anyone cited or implied Hawaii would be underwater in 2015? Thanks.

..making exaggerations look plausible ain't exactly your strong suit, is it?

Bill Tozer

Good thing Greenland is melting. Manna from Heaven for Europe. Now the EU has a place to send their unwanted Muslim communities full of rapists and shaby abusers of all women, be they Muslim or normal ladies. Greenland is the perfect place for refugees from the Stone Age. There they can hump their goats without resistance until the sheep come home. Lots of elbow room as well. Only drawback for the them is there may not be enough native white women in Greenland to satisfy their bloodlust. But, all in all, melt Greenland, melt!! The sooner the better.

Jon

There you go Bill. Seizing a great opportunity for your witty brand of racism!

Todd Juvinall

Freedom Caucus? Is that the white guys version the Congressional Black Caucus? Oops, Mia Love is a member of the "Freedom Caucus" and she is a cute black woman with a extraordinary brain. So Steve Frisch, dissing the FC means you are a racist pig. Is that right?

The Vikings are still waiting for the "jon" to tell them why they left Greenland.

Todd Juvinall

BillT, when ISIL takes over Amsterdam do you think they will pay for sex in the Red Light District?

Jon

On the subject of Going Nowhere Fast, a big fat LOL for Jason Whatshisname.. These far righties are precious :)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jason-chaffetz-irs-chief_562fdc84e4b06317990fd88f

don bessee

If Frischy won't hire people of color than why should anyone be surprised he is a hater of conservative people of color even if it a woman?

don bessee

make that people of color then. Thanks auto spell check. lol

Russ Steele

Posted by: Jon | 27 October 2015 at 03:42 PM

OK, Jon which of these paper indicating the current melting is not unusual, would you like to discuss first? I can create a dedicate page at http://sierrafoothillcommentary.com for the discussion and I will block all the troll. We can have a nice examination of the facts.


Abstract – 20 April 2012
An aerial view of 80 years of climate-related glacier fluctuations in southeast Greenland
…the recent retreat was matched in its vigour during a period of warming in the 1930s with comparable increases in air temperature. We show that many land-terminating glaciers underwent a more rapid retreat in the 1930s than in the 2000s, whereas marine-terminating glaciers retreated more rapidly during the recent warming….
http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/ngeo1481
——-

Abstract – 10 Nov 2011
High variability of Greenland surface temperature over the past 4000 years estimated from trapped air in an ice core

….The record indicates that warmer temperatures were the norm in the earlier part of the past 4000 years, including century-long intervals nearly 1°C warmer than the present decade (2001–2010). Therefore, we conclude that the current decadal mean temperature in Greenland has not exceeded the envelope of natural variability over the past 4000 years, a period that seems to include part of the Holocene…..
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2011GL049444/abstract


Abstract – 14 July 2009
Greenland Ice Sheet Surface Air Temperature Variability: 1840–2007
…The annual whole ice sheet 1919–32 warming trend is 33% greater in magnitude than the 1994–2007 warming. The recent warming was, however, stronger along western Greenland in autumn and southern Greenland in winter….
http://dx.doi.org/10.1175/2009JCLI2816.1
——-

Abstract – 20 June 2006
Greenland warming of 1920–1930 and 1995–2005
We provide an analysis of Greenland temperature records to compare the current (1995–2005) warming period with the previous (1920–1930) Greenland warming. We find that the current Greenland warming is not unprecedented in recent Greenland history. Temperature increases in the two warming periods are of a similar magnitude, however, the rate of warming in 1920–1930 was about 50% higher than that in 1995–2005.
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2006/2006GL026510.shtml

Abstract – 6 June 2006
Extending Greenland temperature records into the late eighteenth century
“…The warmest year in the extended Greenland temperature record is 1941, while the 1930s and 1940s are the warmest decades….
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/greenland/vintheretal2006.pdf
——-

Abstract – 1946
The State of the West Greenland Current up to 1944
“….It is found that warmer conditions existed during the decade of 1880, followed by a colder period up to about 1920, when the present warm period began. The peak of the present warm period appears to have been reached in the middle 1930’s,…..”
http://www.nrcresearchpress.com/doi/abs/10.1139/f42-055
——-

Abstract – July 1937
A period of warm winters in Western Greenland and the temperature see-saw between Western Greenland and Central Europe
Particulars are given regarding the big rise of winter temperatures in Greenland and its more oceanic climate during the last fifteen years….
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/qj.49706327108/abstract

I think any logical person with the ability to do a little research on the Internet can find the scientific answers to Greenland's melting. It has been doing it for centuries, and will continue every summer.

Jon

Russ, perhaps you should take it up with the NYT. Front page story this morning read by hundreds of thousands of people around the US and world. The Times piece wasn't focusing on this one year.

George Rebane

re Jon 813pm - It seems to me that confirming the progressive NYT's "hundreds of thousands of people around the US and world" as reason to accept its view of reality is a step down from consensus science to consensus crowds to maintain the comfort level of True Believers. Will they next point out the millions of trees that gave their lives for the Gray Lady's print edition as further validations of the newspaper's editorial content?

don bessee

Hey Russ, that's a sorry I am not up to the heavy lifting from 'the jon' and the NYT is his bible, heck a front page makes it so. LOL ;-)

Todd Juvinall

Russ haven't you learned the True Believers only believe in a flat earth? Science stands still. "jon" would be on the panel condemning Galileo for goodness sake. One other thing. "jon" has learned well from Hill-Billy Clinton that there is more than one way to lie. Don't believe your lying eyes.

Russ Steele

Posted by: Jon | 27 October 2015 at 08:13 PM

NYT is not interested in the facts, they would destroy the narrative that they use to generate climate change hysteria, which sells papers. Telling their readers Greenland melt in normal, would deny them the ability to sell climate change hysteria on the front page. Follow the money!

I offered you a free science lesson and you turned it down.

fish

Posted by: Russ Steele | 27 October 2015 at 08:54 PM


I'm sure the climate change coverage by the Old Fey Lady is every bit the same top notch journalism as that in their most recent expose of nail salons in the city Russ!

Really who needs facts when there's an important message to deliver?

Bill Tozer

Tina Fey? :)

Paul Emery

No doubt Ryan will part out the remaining Tea Partiers and isolate the few remaining to die a natural political demise. The TP's are at the lowest level of public approval since their incarnation.

http://www.pollingreport.com/politics.htm

Steven Frisch

"Freedom Caucus? Is that the white guys version the Congressional Black Caucus? Oops, Mia Love is a member of the "Freedom Caucus" and she is a cute black woman with a extraordinary brain. So Steve Frisch, dissing the FC means you are a racist pig. Is that right?...........

Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 27 October 2015 at 07:26 PM"

Seriously Todd you are so full of shit.

Bill Tozer

Now, this stir that bacon will cause cancer is again much ado about nothing. First, the dire warning comes from the UN of all things, so the funded study is not worth the paper it's written on. The UN? If you Google "monkey tries to hump a football", a picture of the UN Building pops up. Geez, the veg heads always are telling us that raising beef will burn us.all up, lol. They sure like to cry wolf until their cries become ignored or taken with more than touch of amusement.

http://www.someecards.com/life/health/susannah-mushatt-jones-oldest-person-bacon/

Bill Tozer

In the Irony Category, the city and local artists were not the only ones that love Houston.

http://www.khou.com/story/news/local/2015/10/01/cameramen-showcasing-houston-robbed-at-gunpoint/73131586/

Russ Steele

Drudge: US CONGRESS TO INVESTIGATE NOAA’S TEMPERATURE ADJUSTMENTS

It is about time, almost half of claimed global warming is due to data tampering by NASA over the past 10 years.

https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2015/10/28/nasa-has-nearly-doubled-global-warming-by-data-tampering-since-2005/

Russ Steele

Breaking: NOAA refuses to provide Congress with e-mails on study claiming climate pause never happened!

Now I wonder just what is in those e-mails that NOAA does not want the public to know? The real question is will the lamesstream press investigate? My guess is that NOAA gets the same cover that the IRS got.

Walt

NOAA might take a page out of East Anglia U's playbook. Destroy the data so no "non believer" can see it, and use it against them.
Congress asked(demanded) to see the science used by the EPA, and got the finger, the EPA claiming that science "secret". I dare the true believers to look up the news of that "secret science". Sorry boys and girls, the EPA isn't NSA and info like that isn't a threat to national security. Just LIB BS security.

Here is the Greenland story from a more reputable source.
http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/27/ny-times-greenland-is-melting/

Steven Frisch

Let's hear it for NOAA not buckling under to what is essentially a witch hunt by a Congressional Committee whose record on publicly going after scientists for working with federal agencies is legend.

http://www.csmonitor.com/Environment/2015/1028/NOAA-refuses-to-comply-with-House-science-committee-subpoena

Steven Frisch

Posted by: Walt | 28 October 2015 at 08:35 AM

By the way Walt NOAA has already turned over the science or agreed to do so as part of this process.

Todd Juvinall

Ah, the endless support of government because they can do no wrong. Libs, you just have to admire their slavish love of bureaucracy.

fish

On the climate change front.....


GORE: 'Global warming' making people dumber...


Progressive feature....not progressive bug!

Steven Frisch

Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 28 October 2015 at 09:03 AM

We just like facts Todd; we can't help it if we tell the truth and you look silly (can I say silly George?)

Todd Juvinall

But Steve Frisch, your facts are all fabricated. Why would you believe them? And I thought you were a "smarter than the average bear"! Is that a mental disorder?

fish

Let's hear it for NOAA not buckling under to what is essentially a witch hunt by a Congressional Committee whose record on publicly going after scientists for working with federal agencies is legend.


TRANSLATION:

It would be better if nothing untoward turned up during this investigation. Better to stonewall this until the electorate can be distracted by the next shiny object waved before them.

Steven Frisch

Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 28 October 2015 at 09:15 AM

My facts are confirmed by one of the best newspapers in the country, the Christian Science Monitor, and conformed by the House Committee (they readily admit that all science was turned over). You see 'fabrications' under every rock.

Jon

Yup Steve, Todd J is full of shit. Kudos to NOAA for holding their ground. As two members of Congress admitted last week, these Committees are only formed for one reason, to help the GOP. Sorry boys, people are tired of these political witch hunts. Screw these partisan amateur buffoons in the Freedom Caucus.

fish

Posted by: Steven Frisch | 28 October 2015 at 09:31 AM

But government agencies always lie. Selective IRS targeting....VA Healthcare scandal....Hillary Clintons state department e-mails.....etc.

To quote a great man...."this isn't the hill you want to die on"!

Todd Juvinall

No Steve Frisch, the government lies about most everything these days. Fish s correct. Your facts are fabricated and untrue. Try harder. I see your sock puppet "jon" is eating your excrement. What a hoot!

George Rebane

To the interested reader - isn't it comedic how our liberal readers continue to accuse those of us PGW skeptics of being lonely outliers when the debate about AGW has grown to congressional levels with non-cooperating government departments involved. Now NOAA joins the IRS, State Dept, EPA, DoJ, ... in their refusal to cooperate with Congress. And the usual progressive chorus again launches into their rendition of the Witch Hunt Chorus. (You are sure to find additional editions of Exhibit A in the sequel.)

And as the debate continues, be prepared for these low-information types to again claim that PGW skepticism resides only in the heads of redneck ignoramuses living in isolated backwoods communities.

Jon

The fact remains that no one except the far right takes these hack Committees the least bit seriously. Impeach the head of the IRS..LOL. Good luck in your losing endeavors, boys. Darrell Issa can tell you about losing endeavors!

Bill Tozer

Ah, just keep it all under wraps until we sign our future away at Paris. Once the ink dries, then release the records all day long.

Hey, does anyone know if that Federal law that requires firms with 20 or more employees to keep records of all e-mails on all computers for a few years applies to gobberment as well?? Or, did they exempt themselves from the law of the land per Standard Operating Procedure? . Just wondering....

Time that Judicial Watch and other open government advocates and a few news organizations finally get a judge to threaten the EPA or NOAA with contempt of court for not releasing FOIA records, it will be 2021. Then they can say "What difference at this point does it makes anyway?"

Witch hunt, Steve? That in and of itself raises eyebrows. The Hillary defense. That witch hunt on Hillary only last week revealed that Ambassor Stevens (her long time friend) sent. 600.... Let that sink in......600 e-mails directly to his friend Rodclam and she said she did not ever receive one. Guess he did not have her private e-mail address. It was a secret. Nothing to see here, just a witch hunt by the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy and USA Today and Ruetgers, and...........

Jon

here's an amusing story about David Koch inadvertently praising socialized medicine! Good stuff.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/charles-koch-oops-praises-obamacare-without-knowing-it-2015-10-28

Gregory

Some at NOAA want to spend the witches' money but don't want the oversight? NOAA turned over the already public information, the Congressional subpoena is for information they didn't make public but Federal dollars enabled and reside in Federal computers and Federal storage cabinets.

It's a sideshow but a sideshow the Congress has a right to pursue.

Regarding Jon's Greenland sideshow, the NYT article was about a few scientists doing fieldwork to gather information in an attempt to validate their computer models which remain unvalidated, meaning they got grants to produce models with scary output and now they're trying to validate the results. In the meantime we have the DMI pages showing Greenland ice gaining mass in October at a rate larger than the 2 sigma range of the past..., and all the recent seasonal mass changes being within recent natural variations (summer melt, winter freeze), but that's just weather.

fish

Posted by: Jon | 28 October 2015 at 10:05 AM

I love it when you spontaneously change the subject......

Todd Juvinall

This is SOP for lib True Believers and the tactics are right out of the Communist Manifesto. Alinsky perfected those tactics for the left in America. As we see the TB's and their sock puppets like "jon" spread their lies at all levels of the country. As GeorgeR said, just look at all that stonewalling by Obama and his henchmen. I bet Steve Frisch and his sock puppet "jon" would be all in for a Congressional Investigation of a conservative organization. What a couple of losers. As long as these libs get their cut they could care less about the truth.

Jon

Have no interest in hack Congressional investigations of anyone. I'd rather see legislation moving on the hundreds of serious issues that need attending to in this nation.

Gregory

Let me translate Jon 10:29AM.... don't gore (or is it Gore?) my oxen.


Where o where is Joe Koyote?

Russ Steele

Jon it turns out that the Arctic is far less ice free than many thought or expected just some years ago. So how wrong can the models be!

More Arctic ice and up to 1.5°C colder!

Navigable NWP postponed 40 years!

The study finds that in 2014 “more ice survived the summer as MYI than in the nine most recent years” and it was only “slightly less than during 1968–2015 on average (Figure S5)“.

Also “between November 2014 and April 2015, winter air temperatures were between −0.5°C and −1.5°C colder than during 1980–2010.”

Moreover the study also has climate experts profoundly postponing yet another prediction: The Northwest passage will not be navigable for another 40 years…let alone the Arctic becoming ice free!

Again the real world data trumps your climate models. It seems to me if you are a logical human being, the facts that the models are more wrong than right, you would begin to question the validity of the models. However, you seem to be locked into closed mind mode that only the NYT can access with it's hysterical science.

More here: http://notrickszone.com/2015/10/27/geophysical-research-letters-shock-finding-in-2014-more-multiyear-ice-than-previous-nine-years-arctic-winter-0-5-1-5c-colder/#sthash.BT740gIq.dpbs

Bill Tozer

Despite what Obama & Co try to do via Executive Orders and no matter how hard the Reepublican congress tries to give away the Constitution powers of oversight and controlling 100% of the purse strings to go along to get along, these aforementioned Congressional duties belong solely to Congress, like it or not.
Jon, it's called checks and balances whether you or Joe Blow find these facts distasteful and a burdensome hindrance to your agendas. And some elected officials (believe it or not) take that specific oath to defend the Constition of the United States of America very seriously, whether you have any interest in Congressional oversight or not.

don bessee

Comes out today that the Russians have been flying Iranian arms into Syria twice a day for the last 10 days, that's 20 aircraft loads of violations of the UN arms embargo on Iran. Some good news coming out of Syria regarding the Russians ability to keep their aircraft in the air. Satellites showing they are breaking down at high levels and the number of aircraft in the air has been severely degraded. They sent their best and the mission availability rate is dismal. Up tempo air ops are not easy and even the best wrench turner can not make up for poor manufacturing quality. Just ask the Indians about their joint venture for a 5th gen that has the Indian's saying the russian plane is junk and they are not going to pay for it.

Walt

So truth and facts are now are "witch hunts".. OK,, I declare open season on witches.
Interesting fact.. MOST "witches" have a "D" next to their name. No wonder they run at the first whiff of tar.

Here are some "facts" to shove up the a** of the first "witch" we come across.
A dose of that "secret science".
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/04/29/3652747/epa-secret-science-bill-passes-senate-committee/

"Nope,, WE don't need to justify the science "we" use!"
http://www.examiner.com/article/epa-head-we-don-t-need-to-justify-our-regulations-with-data

Goes to show, Progs don't give a shit about truth and the rule of what's right.
And they wonder why they have been branded COMMIE bastards!

Walt

Really Stevey? Hot of the presses.
http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/28/climate-wars-govt-scientists-refuse-to-hand-over-internal-records-to-lawmakers/

"National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) officials argued such records are confidential and “essential to frank discourse among scientists.” The science agency said it has a history of protecting the “confidentiality of deliberative scientific discussions.”

NOAA’s decision not to comply with a subpoena from House science committee lawmakers has only angered Chairman Lamar Smith , a Texas Republican, who says Americans have a right to know what taxpayer-funded scientists were thinking when they altered the temperature record in June."

But YOU said the records have been forked over.. So who is the lying SOB?

George Rebane

Walt 140pm - Hope you get an answer to your very salient question. I think other readers share our interest.

don bessee

Stoners do not make good legal document writers. Arkansas rejected a pot legalization ballot proposition because of the volume of spelling and grammar errors that confuse the meaning. The State secretary of State said when your are amending the State constitution your have to do it right. Duh. I wonder how many of the 17 full commercial pot legalization ballot props in the CA Secretary of States office will suffer the same fate? LOL ;-)

Walt

Well Dr. R, , It's the good ol' " By any means necessary" then throw in "Lie, cheat and steal" just for good measure.
With the way these guys operate, Charles Manson should be pardoned by now, if you use "AGW evidence" as like measure.

Jon

Walt, have you followed the total unraveling of your boy the Trumpster, he of high energy lunacy and those slow, deflating poll numbers. Behind now in Texas as well. Love how he is alternately begging and threatening Iowan caucus voters! What a class act! Great theater.

Stevenfrisch

I'm a little out of touch right now due to travel but the salient point made by the article, confirmed by the house committee and that I made was that all of the 'science' meaning the studies have been handed over. I think NOAA made its point about the email. If private sector scientists and academics can't protect their discussions they will be subject to attack and discrimination from ideologues.

Gregory

Jon is back and still hasn't learned enough to read the Danish Meteorological Institute ice pages, nor has he owned up the the NY Times article he was citing as his gospel didn't actually state that the recent Greenland summer melting was out of the ordinary range as indicated by the DMI page I linked.

The problem for Jon is that the NY Times is not a primary scientific source; the DMI *is*.

Walt

You can only hope. "jon". But that's what you get when you rely on LIB news.
The same news that is the cheering section for the criminal Hillary.
OH how you would howl if Hillary was a Conservative and had done what she did. But since she's not,, It's JUST FINE..... That good ol' Prog. double standard.

don bessee

The 'jon' so piously adamant in his pronouncements resorts to the bob and weave a la 256p when confronted and contradicted (again). LOL ;-)

Walt

"jon" thinks Trump id done? LOL!! So Carson is ahead in ONE state. BFD... On the national level. he's still up by 8%.
Sucks to be you "jon".

Jon

:)-a,> (lol)

whatever you say Bessee.

Stevenfrisch

Walt you need to learn to actually read the links attached and respond to comments based on the information contained in the articles. If you had read the article you would see I never said nor never contended that the email was withheld.

Gregory

"If private sector scientists and academics can't protect their discussions they will be subject to attack and discrimination from ideologues."
-Frisch

If they want to be free from Congressional oversight they should steer clear of Federal grants and Federal agencies. NOAA is clearly subject to Congressional oversight and if you send email to NOAA servers, expect it to be part of the Federal record.

don bessee

Its still ducking the issue at 343p.

Jon

Walt, hope for what? :) I don't really think you understand the point...he's a freaking joke, Walt. A comic book character with zero chance of becoming President. So I hope that Trump WINS the nomination! What can I do to help the man? Would love to see him as the GOP standard-bearer! Love love love him for GOP Nominee.

George Rebane

Stevenfrisch 336pm - So that there is no misunderstanding, "all of the 'science'" does NOT mean the only "the studies", but also the relevant data and its inevitable production pathway. One of the very sore points of the PGW controversy is that its adherents have played politics with their reports of disclosing the work behind their much publicized conclusions. The politics is that they convince lay people like yourself that submitting a published report with either no data or only processed data included is a scientific disclosure. Such pronouncements only convince the great unwashed similar to Hillary or the IRS citing the number of pages of emails that they have turned over to investigators - these are meaningless figures intended only to impress the gruberized.

To be clear, there is no necessity for the research staffs to turn over their work communications, given that there was no perfidy involved. The data used and the normal detailed reports of methodology and substantive reasoning will suffice. However, the reports that I have seen of NOAA's disclosures fits nicely into the above described bag of tricks. And why not, any complaints of insufficiency, no matter how valid, will be labeled again as a politicized witch hunt that then buys time, fades memories, and gives opportunity for spinning more yarns to confuse the issue. Obama's administration has well demonstrated that even Congress has a short attention span and low threshold for political pain and principle.

fish

Love love love him for GOP Nominee.


Whoa, whoa, whoa...... easy there Paul Lynde......tells us how you really feel about Trump!

Bill Tozer

Steve/jon @ 3:36 pm.

Now I have heard everything. Yep, Steve/jon, you really bought the farm on that one:

"If private sector scientists and academics can't protect their discussions they will be subject to attack and discrimination from ideologues."

Well, Shoot Howdy, welcome to the private sector there boy(s) and jon. Like Congress demanding all the oil execs to turn over all private e-mails on their computers to make sure they ain't all colluding like and trying to pass a sneaky one by the American public?
Yes, the law says "turn it over" and all correspondence conducting business with or for the gobberment is property of the People of the United States of America, a soverign nation. Turn it over like today.
Does "us" have a problem with that?? Maybe some head busting Teamsters might arrive at your residence and help you see the light. It's the Liberal way of doing business. Or, Chicago Style if you prefer.
Who cares about the chilling effect on private discussions between like minded researchers, scientists, and academic nuts?? That is what your side has forced down our throats for years. What, you don't like your medicine you force on others, so you should be exempt?? No wonder Brother Ben rails against your kind of elitist philosophy. You are now The Man and everybody is throwing stones at you, ass wipe hypocrite. Here, take a pull off the dog that bit ya. Sucks when your own dog bites his master's hand, doesn't it? Oh, I forgot to add shit for brains.

No one is above the law, cum breathe. Now you know what we mean by being censored by the Left. There are ways to put The Big Chill on what you say, write, and think. Yes, there are even ways to make you sing like a stool pigeon.
Helpful Hint #21: dust of that old turntable and dig through the garage until you come across your old "Mary Poppins" original song track LP. Crank up "Just a Spoonful of Sugar Helps the Medicine Go Down" at or above 102 decibels. Then take a whole double decker Devil's Food cake and consume it at a single sitting. There, feel better now, goop gobbler?

Jon

Wow, that's pretty profane anger unleashed by the Toz. Whew. I hope actual physical violence doesn't follow in some form. Following a Paul Lynde reference with that kind of foaming is not at all appropriate.

Steven Frisch

I'll wait for George to remove Bill's profanity and prove his standard :)

Jon

prepare for a long holdout, Steve :) Useful idiots at work.

Jon

Also find it ironic that Tozer all of a sudden seems to be in favor of a strong-arming Federal government.

Walt

Bill is RIGHT!!
The LIBholes believe their scamitists can hide their fake, trumped up garbage "data" from prying eyes. How dare it be questioned!!
You take gov. grant money to brew up that snake oil, the gov. is entitled to "what's in it". That includes the taxpayers who's pockets said money came from.
HELL! this is the same BS that got laws past. Yup, "secret science" says the EPA!
I say F U !!
Everyone who got a dime in the name of ECO should be prosecuted under the RICO act, and made to repay the taxpayers. ( HAY.. The ECO bastards want us "deniers" hung from the same tree,, but "we" didn't get a dime via fraud. The ECO bastards did.)

Yes.. Turn over that manufactured "data" for all to see. What ya' got to hide?

Bill Tozer

Oh Jon, you just haven't got to know me and my teddy bear self yet. I am the ghost of Tom in The Grapes of Wrath. Whenever and wherever injustice and favoritism arises, I will be there to defend to tired, the poor, the weak in the name of Justice for All, and pecan pie of course.
Oh Steve, was it something I said? How about addressing the Lib Big Chill methods I raised and which you objected to the exact same practice.
Oh my, an angry Toz is no laughing matter. Quick, throw the dead bolt on the Clubhouse Treefort and do not....I repeat again, do not answer the tap, tap, tap on the clubhouse walls. Danger Will Robinson, danger. You must not peek out through the slates on the fort, no matter how much you are tempted, no matter how strong the urge, no matter how loud and persistent the tap, tap, tap, rap-a-tap, tap, tap becomes. You do not want to know what is out there.

Dr. Rebane, Dr. Rebane!! Mean ole vulgar Toz called me a Bozo no-no and boy is he angry. Make him stop, ooooooooooooh, pleeeeaaaaaze make him stop.
What a jerk wad.

Walt

Cry us a river "jon",,, can't handle a little adult language? Poor thing... Need a tissue?
You want censorship, there is another place we know of that deals in that. It may be a lonesome tomb, buy hay! can't have everything. But it will have the censorship you crave.

Walt

WOW!! How the tables got turned on poor MSNBC. The "moderators" got their collective asses handed to them. The crowd was ready to get a rope and string them up by the light fixtures.
It goes to show why MSNBC is in the crapper. (No wonder "jon" is the way he is)

That bitch tried to attack Trump.. Uhhhh,,, BIG mistake. Then looses her place in the failed attack? LOL!!! Boy... Did she look stupid,, and self inflicted. Then Trump had his way with her.

Trump looked pretty Presidential "jon",,, Can't wait for him to take the game to Hillary.
" Oh... I can't debate Trump.... I,,I,, fell and bumped my head..."

Bill Tozer

"Us" got butt hurt. Heaven forbid! Here's what butt hurts me:

https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/746306152170091/?type=3&theater

Great time to allow in 500,000 Muslims with no visible means of support. Didn't the Fed say just this week that raising interest rates now is bad timing because the Obama/Reed/Queen Pea economy sucks big time. That makes me angry. Run for the hills. Grap the babies and the little old ladies. Flee the plague all villagers great and small.

Bill Tozer

Hey "us"

https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/746192535514786/?type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/746252528842120/?type=3&theater

Steven Frisch

Posted by: Bill Tozer | 28 October 2015 at 07:31 PM

Come on George, what say you about name calling standards? Just curious.

Bill Tozer

Trump is the man. Ole "us" search the web all day long for signs of cracks in his armor, hoping he sinks into the abyss of wannabes. He is kicking butt in the Carolinas. Might come in second in one state so far, the tiny obscure Iowa. Think South Carolina alone has more delegates that 10 Iowas.

Hey "us".

https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/746192535514786/?type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/746252528842120/?type=3&theater

Walt

Really Steve? You don't seem to have a problem when YOU do it.
Yup,, Hypocrisy in action. I know,, I know.... It's LIB thing... "we" just won't understand.
( Just like a little kid whining to Mommy.. "Make him take it down!!")

George Rebane

StevenF 806pm - you clearly had some imbalance in mind about the appellations you and Mr Tozer have traded in these pages. Pray, what are they?

You and yours continue to denigrate RR. I have made no representations about fairness or this blog's "standards", although I have expressed my desires and at times my frustrations. As always, the high moral ground belongs to you. Revel in it.

Bill Tozer

Patience there, Steve, patience. I am sure the Good Doc is not at the computer right now doing something more worthwhile. He will get around to admonishing me publicly. I hope he whacks my pee pee nice and hard. Maybe I will get sabraged by the Good Doc.

Steve, in the meantime, you can ground me and send jon to your room. I have been so naughty and deserve my just desserts. Oh, lay it on me and don't keep jon waiting too long.

Bill Tozer

See, Steve, that didn't take long. To balance the books, you can talk dirty to me. Make it real nasty and leave me begging for more. That is how you can dispense justice. Come on, treat me like your underlings. Pretty please.

Yo "us": you were right the other day. Gotta give you the ole hat tip.

http://patriotpost.us/posts/38537

don bessee

CNBC could not figure out that they were not the ones debating. LOL What was with the blathering that delayed the start? CNBC has no viewers normally, could this have been the attention deprived unknown CNBCers trying to get some lefty street cred or just nerves from knowing that people were actually watching them?

don bessee

Is anyone surprised that when the UN showed up at the Iranians rouge nuke site at Parchan they were shown an empty building that had been a bustling complex which held the test chamber? UN observed the building had been recently painted. Thanks 0 for the anyplace anytime inspections, how very 0care of you. So in the same week we have massive weapons embargo violations with the collusion of the Russians and they spit in they eye of the UN 0 gives them a seat at the table on Syrian peace.

Jon

"Bill is RIGHT!!
The LIBholes believe their scamitists can hide their fake, trumped up garbage "data" from prying eyes. How dare it be questioned!!
You take gov. grant money to brew up that snake oil, the gov. is entitled to "what's in it". That includes the taxpayers who's pockets said money came from.
HELL! this is the same BS that got laws past. Yup, "secret science" says the EPA!
I say F U !!
Everyone who got a dime in the name of ECO should be prosecuted under the RICO act, and made to repay the taxpayers. ( HAY.. The ECO bastards want us "deniers" hung from the same tree,, but "we" didn't get a dime via fraud. The ECO bastards did.)" So says Walt


Walt, I know you done graduated the 8th grade, but paleez...

Todd Juvinall

If you engage "jon" the troll you get nothing intelligent from him/her. Just yapping partisanship for libs and commies.

If you read Frisch you see he is just a run of the mill copy/paste guy. Nothing intelligent to say. But he does put on the 11 year old whiny girl ast all the time.

The debate was really a good one tonight. The MSNBC fools were taken to the woodshed. America got to see the leftwing bias of those fools and we all got to see what is important to the lames. They act like Steve Frisch! 11 year old girls!

Overall all the candidates did just fine.

Bill Tozer

Well, Jon, another nice diversion. Tell me, how does Steve feel about hiding government work on government time at government facilities? Figure he will give me the ole silent treatment and you are well positioned to speak for him. So, what do "us" think? Is it the ole "what's good for the goose is good for the gander" or are we relegated to the "need to know" category?

Don @ 8:48 pm. Sounded like a lot of fun. We wild conservatives are playing the field, dating all the candidates one by one seeing who wins our hearts. The Dems, on the other hand, are stuck with their grade school crush of so many decades ago. As long as she still looks purdy in their rose colored glasses, all is well.

Speaking of the UN, Don, the epidemic is back. Let's do the Time Warp again.
http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/two-thirds-world-has-cold-sore-virus-who-n453236
Yep, I remember when a cold sore was just a cold sore, before AIDS came along and blew the Herpes Epidemic Crisis End of the World Plague right off the front page.

Finally, you will not friggin believe THIS: Steve's EPA came out and said to the Navajo Nation that there is nothing bad in the river, everything ok, no worries, those orange suds are safe for taking bubble baths in and safe for human consumption. Nothing to see here.
Now, I and the President of The Navajo Nation asks, "If the toxins are so harmless, why did the EPA take over 10 days to even admit the poison was released by Steve's EPA into the river and dire warnings were issued?? If the heavy metals are so harmless, why even bother to clean up the site? Why, if a private company could be found to hold responsible for polluting the earth, the EPA would go after the company with everything they had, including prosecuting to the fullest extent of the law and seeking untold millions in fines and beating the guilty with the ugly stick from now to eternity.
But, when government commits the crime, the water is safe. Guess the EPA and government scientists were just kidding around when they declared the toxins cause cancer. Oh, they are bunch of jokers, I can assure you. Funny guys our protectors of drinking water. Another one of those "do as I say, not as I do." We just don't have a need to know.

Jon

Bill,
Its just not healthy to be this roiled up before bedtime. Yoga, meditation- check. Political anger? Not good.
How many hours of sleep can a racist one so radically troubled be expected to get?

Walt

Love it. Our pet LIBS sure have grown REAL quiet about the debates. The "jon" should have been Trump bashing by now... But nuttn... But he did manage to cut and paste my comment.
Really "jon"? I think I know what I wrote, and others have the ability to read.
8TH grade? Yup,, Yeseryyy Bob,, I even gradeeated high schooo... Even some college uder this here belt.
But I was born to remake GOD'S work by moving those mountains, and keeping the map makers employed.
It takes smarts to make shit run down hill.

I hear you can't even put the toilet seat down.

Jon

Walt, I gotta hand it to you- you're a brilliant guy in so many ways. So you have a nice night there in your gated community, cuddled up with your substantial arsenal at your disposal should any Penn Valley home invaders come calling.

Be Prepared- The Girl Scouts and Walt have something in common!

don bessee

Perhaps Frischy can answer the 'jons' question about how many hours of sleep a racist needs since Frischy does not hire people of color and advocates for policies that hurt poor people of color the most.

Steven Frisch

Posted by: George Rebane | 28 October 2015 at 08:19 PM

Well fuck you too George.

[I leave this as a matter of record. For when all other pretensions fail, we return to the basics which have been there all the while. gjr]

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