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08 October 2015

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Don Bessee

Reporter Lachlan Markay of the free beacon is twittering that a woman's profile on Wikipedia was amended to allege an affair with McCarthy, the IP address that did it is a DHS ip. With the proven Secret Services smear job on Ben Chavetz you got to wonder if they are making a habit of political hits??? This administration has manipulated the IRS and DHS into political hacks and backstabbers through his appointments.

Todd Juvinall

The "u" is a white guy. He seems to think drinking in McGees is a fun time and all those crackers there are racists. He even sees them in his closet as he stumbles in to his rented room. My goodness, are all these libnuts drunkards or drug abusers? "u" is just the latest example of a psychotic libnut. You just have to love their loonieness.

Jon

Definitely baggage and something bad surrounding McCarthy. Maybe following in the footsteps of Delay, Hastert Foley, and Livingston, et al. Regardless, he was unable to string 2 sentences together in his recent speeches and TV interviews. A bit of a problem.

Best of luck! Paul Ryan wants no part of this circus- as he ponders a future run for higher office. If people even remember his name.

George Rebane

ToddJ 341pm - Todd, work with me. Keep the race stuff on the 4oct15 sandbox. Or better yet, write a piece on race in Nevada County for your own blog. You know the goings on in Nevada County way better than do I, and would also provide a better perspective over the years.

Jon 353pm - I don't know, you may be right. But not to worry about people remembering Ryan. EVERY Democrat who pays attention will always keep Ryan in mind, and the same goes for most Republicans. I think that guy has plenty of political legs left, his time is yet to come.

Walt

Just read the bitch about the Newmont water treatment "plant".
Seems there are a few greedy people over that'a way. "Compensation"? Really??

Jon

George, I do agree that Ryan could be a formidable, attractive future Senate or Presidential candidate. He disappeared over the last 3 years- intentionally- to put the 2012 way behind him. The Speaker job has absolute no upside benefit to him, now or in the future. Who was the last Speaker who became Senator or President? That being said, everything you read today says the full court pressure is being applied to him from all sides.

Jon

James K. Polk, the last Speaker to ascend to the Presidency, 1845.

Don Bessee

Russian defense ministry says all its cruise missals hit their targets from their Caspian launch points. So the Russians meant to hit Iran with 4 of them! LOL. 15% of their latest and greatest version hit two countries away from their declared targets.

Don Bessee

Thanks for the orange squiggly box, now I do not look like I have any connection to the 'jon'.

Walt

Blue,, does look good on "jon".
So a few Russian missiles fell a little short... I call it a good start.

Don Bessee

The 'jon & u' should have empty white boxes to reflect their empty rhetoric. ROFLOL in honor of he whos name we shall not utter. LOL ;-)

Jon

Kevin + Renee = Total Chaos in the House. Oh boy, he is Bob Livingston!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kevin-mccarthys-exit-affair-allegations_5616f004e4b0082030a1e0a8

Jon

Ah yes..a Family Value Tea Partier, this Ms. Almers! She's not the first Tea Bagger to be screwing around in Congress.

fish

Well if it upsets Peter King this can't be a bad thing!!


“It is total confusion — a banana republic,” said Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.), a Boehner ally, as he recounted seeing a handful of House Republicans weeping Thursday over the downfall of McCarthy and the broader discord. “Any plan, anything you anticipate, who knows what’ll happen. People are crying. They don’t have any idea how this will unfold at all.”


Sounds like a political party that deserves to go the way of the Whigs!

Todd Juvinall

Didn't the Whigs turn into the Republicans? LOL!

I am watching some of the news shows and they are peeing their undies over all this. Now this is the press that says the Congress is a do nothing. Hell, they are doing something! You can never satisfy the libnuts or their press lackeys. All this keeps them from passing more BS crapola on we the people!

fish

Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 08 October 2015 at 07:40 PM


In essence, yes they did.

Wouldn't you prefer a party that wasn't just "democrat lite"?

Jon

Isn't it just so ironic now. Boehner will be in charge for the foreseeable future and will cut deals to avoid a financial crisis before year end. They cannot legally get rid of him now until he says so.

Best of luck with your PR department, GOP! LOL.

Todd Juvinall

fish, they did and now there is a mini revolution. Kinda fun.

Don Bessee

Cracking up that 0's Iran capitulation 'executive agreement' is in gross violation of multiple laws say govt. legal review. Oooopsies. Sorry we can not let US owned subsidiaries overseas do business with the SCUM BAG MULLAS. Guess the Iranians have had their you can keep your doctor bull crap like us. My hotties best Doctor has closed shop because of 0 care as have many independent specialists.

Don Bessee

GQ,CNN and MSNBC- FUCK you Ben Carson. More leftist elites feeling comfortable with race attacks on Ben. Great he has them so worried.

Todd Juvinall

DonB, the libnuts have no nards. They do have big mouths though. A bunch of whiners. Sort of like that little kid in fifth grade who tattles on everyone and ends up being liked by no one. That is Paul and "u" and the troll.

Jon

"Nothing will change until the Republicans quit acting like kindergarteners and start acting like adults". Commenter, Thursday night

Jon

"My hotties best Doctor has closed shop because of 0 care as have many independent specialists."

First of all Don, we know there's no hottie involved here, so lets stop the charade. Secondly, there is not a single doctor I know who closed shop due to Obamacare. List them out, or we don't believe you. There are many other factors in medicine, starting 20 years ago, that impacts the sustainability of independent medical practice, but Obamacare isn't one of them. Its actually a net improvement for most practices.

Bill  Tozer

Yo Jon, you got a shout out from The Donald. He said to tell you that we are winning, will continue to keep winning, and we will be winning so much we will grow tired of it, like its a bad thing.

Unrelated to the preamble above, let's check in and see what 0bama is doing.

https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/738710072929699/?type=3&theater

fish

Posted by: Jon | 08 October 2015 at 09:47 PM


That is just nonsense jon. Independent practitioners can't afford the paperwork burden....that's why they are quitting in droves and going to work for Kaiser or other industrial medicine providers. This is a feature not a bug for Obamacare .....to bring otherwise independent physicians under the umbrella of control of the bureaucracy.

You should think you fibs through better!

Bill  Tozer

Walt's man just won't go away. He will be around for months. Never argue with Walt, he is right when it comes to The Rest of the Story.

http://citizensfortrump.com/2015/10/08/trump-leads-in-new-poll-frustrates-media-narrative/

Bill  Tozer

Holy smokes. Rubio and Trump are budding up. hmmmm.

http://citizensfortrump.com/2015/10/07/trump-sent-prank-care-package-to-rubio/

Don Bessee

The 'jon' You are correct Sir, you have no hottie! I do. Its a manly thing. :-)

Don Bessee

The 'jon' 'there is not doctor I know.' Well of course you don't and thank you for acknowledging your obvious limitations. Who is 'we' lefty jeffy, frichy and the sock puppets? The real people in Nevada County know how beautiful and powerful Ellen is and I am sure even in her current situation she would kick your ass if you were stupid enough to piss her off face to face. Gotta giggle at that thought. Tough lady with 30 years as a union member. While not a perfect shot at long range in short ranges she is deadly. For you I am sure she would be happier to just give you a beat down with some joint dislocations just for fun. LOL

Bill  Tozer

Don, you should take the high road and send Jon a oversized poster of Rosie O'Donald wearing hot pink short shorts and colbotl blue cowboy boots. He can hang it above his bed or use it as a mural. Gotta think of others in their time of need. We don't want him going off half cocked at a public school near you cause he couldn't find someone to play hide the salami with. Think of it as a public service or health and safety concerns. Fed Ex it Don. I thank you in advance.

Bill  Tozer

Follow the money and show us po folk some green.

http://news.yahoo.com/pressure-grows-global-climate-cash-help-hard-hit-190349639.html

Jon

fish, 10:03, you don't know how to read apparently, and you don't really know much about the healthcare system. For the last 15 or so years in particular, docs have been leaving private practice to be bought up by the giants as you mentioned. And as I said, it has very little or nothing to do with Obamacare in nearly every case. In fact Obamacare has greatly increased the pool of providers in many areas in CA and around the country. Clinics and multi specialty groups who know what they are doing are booming in many cities and towns of CA. People are getting long needed care for the first time in decades.

Thanks. Happy to set the record straight.

Don, you're simply a blowhard clown and either everyone knows it who lives around here, or they will soon find out. Strong and beautiful- funny stuff.

George Rebane

Sen Tim Kaine (D-VA) gave a major address at the Cato Institute Policy Forum in August. The senator is a member of the Senate's Committee on Foreign Relations and Armed Services. He made a strong case that Obama is one year into a war in Afghanistan that has no legal authorization and violates existing congressional strictures on the Executive for deploying armed forces. The bad part about that is that Congress has been complicit in letting Obama get away with it.
http://www.cato.org/blog/sen-tim-kaine-cato-year-counting-unauthorized-war

fish

Posted by: Jon | 08 October 2015 at 11:01 PM

fish, 10:03, you don't know how to read apparently, and you don't really know much about the healthcare system. For the last 15 or so years in particular, docs have been leaving private practice to be bought up by the giants as you mentioned. And as I said, it has very little or nothing to do with Obamacare in nearly every case. In fact Obamacare has greatly increased the pool of providers in many areas in CA and around the country. Clinics and multi specialty groups who know what they are doing are booming in many cities and towns of CA. People are getting long needed care for the first time in decades.


I love chatting with you boys about this shit! You in particular are such a knob polishing Obama fanboi that it almost hurts to watch! Good too to see your language change from bold defensive statements of ACA into greasy, heartstring tugging sales pitch towards the end.

Oh well I guess you can't help who you love!


The way of the dinosaur and dodo?

Physician private practices will almost certainly continue to decline, but they probably aren't headed for total extinction. Some doctors will resist the temptation to work for larger entities, even if their pay suffers as a result.
While the shift away from private practices was already under way prior to Obamacare, the legislation definitely threw gasoline on the fire. As a result, perhaps another federal action is now needed: adding physician private practices to the endangered species list.


http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/06/08/obamacare-shoving-doctors-out-of-private-practice.aspx


Here’s a dirty little secret about recent attempts to fix ObamaCare. The “reforms,” approved by Senate and House leaders this summer and set to advance in the next Congress, adopt many of the Medicare payment reforms already in the Affordable Care Act. Both favor the consolidation of previously independent doctors into salaried roles inside larger institutions, usually tied to a central hospital, in effect ending independent medical practices.


http://www.wsj.com/articles/scott-gottlieb-obamacares-threat-to-private-practice-1417990367


Fewer Doctor-Owned Practices?


More physicians have been compelled to leave individual practice and take salaried positions at hospitals since the Affordable Care Act’s passage, and researchers predict this trend will only become more pronounced over the next few years.

Under the ACA, physician-owned practices must apply for authorization from the Department of Health and Human Services, endure a “community approval” period and be located in an area where population measures are met.


http://www.poweryourpractice.com/practice-management/how-affordable-care-act-hurt-practice/


Regardless of the intentions of the administration, a disturbing result of the legislation is that clinicians are closing their practices and many are joining the ranks of hospital-employed providers.

Private practices are spending less time with patients and more with their EMR-enabled devices filling out digital paperwork to satisfy government requirements, all with the 'mandated intention' of improving patient care.

Medicare continues to reduce reimbursement amounts and tighten the nooze on private practices.

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-1096549


You could have approached the discussion as well from the premise that every single thing that the federal government does results in a diminution of freedom...which is clearly what is occurring as a result of the law.

"Government control of health care.......control not care!"

Jon

fish 4:28, that crap just goes to prove, any unqualified partisan can write an article and make it seem factual. Most of what you linked is total bullshit.

Todd Juvinall

Jedd Ackerman out past Publisher was on CNN being asked about the President's visit to Roseburg. Here is a snippet. I hope it works.

https://www.facebook.com/lacey.ackerman.37/videos/1634289363493075/

fish

Posted by: Jon | 09 October 2015 at 07:32 AM

Another first rate rebuttal jon. Absolutely top drawer!

Jon

That's right fish, the passages you cited were unqualified BS, written by partisan hacks. Next time find something written by health care experts.

Jon

Todd, I do like the nickname Jedd. Fitting.

Walt

Affairs in D.C.? And "jon" wants to try and make something of that? LOL!!! OH YAAaaaa..
Hay "jon".. Ever hear of Bill Clinton? That was just a "vast Right wing conspiracy".
Too bad W.H. internes had bad table manners, and were sloppy eaters.

As for the Teflon Don, GO TRUMP! ,, The "jon" sure got that wrong from the start, and continues to do so.

OK, folks,, "Hookers for Hillary" are back in "action". Call it continuation studies in "Liberal Arts".
Collage debt can be "capitalized" on.
http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/09/bunny-ranch-brothel-offers-to-pay-down-student-loans-for-new-sex-workersbunny-ranch-brothel-offers-to-pay-down-student-loans-for-new-sex-workers/
Future Gov. high level employees? ( IRS?)

fish

Posted by: Jon | 09 October 2015 at 09:33 AM

That's right fish, the passages you cited were unqualified BS, written by partisan hacks. Next time find something written by health care experts.

The way of the dinosaur and dodo?

Physician private practices will almost certainly continue to decline, but they probably aren't headed for total extinction. Some doctors will resist the temptation to work for larger entities, even if their pay suffers as a result.
While the shift away from private practices was already under way prior to Obamacare, the legislation definitely threw gasoline on the fire. As a result, perhaps another federal action is now needed: adding physician private practices to the endangered species list.

http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/06/08/obamacare-shoving-doctors-out-of-private-practice.aspx

Keith Speights

TMFFishBiz

Keith began writing for the Fool in 2012 and focuses primarily on healthcare investing topics. His background includes serving in management and consulting for the healthcare technology, health insurance, medical device, and pharmacy benefits management industries.

A money guy....money guys are usually ambivalent on the politics and just look at the issues and how they effect the bottom line. He's much like you have tried to portray yourself on various threads....the cool above the fray expert on matters financial.


Here’s a dirty little secret about recent attempts to fix ObamaCare. The “reforms,” approved by Senate and House leaders this summer and set to advance in the next Congress, adopt many of the Medicare payment reforms already in the Affordable Care Act. Both favor the consolidation of previously independent doctors into salaried roles inside larger institutions, usually tied to a central hospital, in effect ending independent medical practices.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/scott-gottlieb-obamacares-threat-to-private-practice-1417990367


Dr. Gottlieb, a physician and resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, is a member of the Health IT Policy Committee that advises the Department of Health and Human Services. He also invests in and advises health-care companies.

Writes for AEI on the topic but advises HHS on health IT matters. HHS thinks he has something to say on the subject. A physician as well.....remember when Sugar Frosted Barry O's had his white coated flock surrounding him during his the Rose Garden Obamacare sales pitch? We were supposed to trust physicians then weren't we?

Why not trust a physician now?


Fewer Doctor-Owned Practices?

More physicians have been compelled to leave individual practice and take salaried positions at hospitals since the Affordable Care Act’s passage, and researchers predict this trend will only become more pronounced over the next few years.

Under the ACA, physician-owned practices must apply for authorization from the Department of Health and Human Services, endure a “community approval” period and be located in an area where population measures are met.

http://www.poweryourpractice.com/practice-management/how-affordable-care-act-hurt-practice/

Ahmed Mori

Ahmed Mori joined CareCloud as a content writer specializing in Meaningful Use certification, EHRs and mHealth. He enjoys researching and reporting on innovative healthcare technologies. Read his work on PYP and the CareCloud blog. Follow him on Twitter: @AhmedPYP

Yep....just another Team Red hack!


Regardless of the intentions of the administration, a disturbing result of the legislation is that clinicians are closing their practices and many are joining the ranks of hospital-employed providers.

Private practices are spending less time with patients and more with their EMR-enabled devices filling out digital paperwork to satisfy government requirements, all with the 'mandated intention' of improving patient care.

Medicare continues to reduce reimbursement amounts and tighten the nooze on private practices.

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-1096549


So what do we have....an agnostic who investigates the financial aspects of Obamacare, a doctor who writes about Obamacare, and two interested amateurs who write and publish articles about Obamacare!

How are they any less credible on the subject than you?


U Mad Bro?

Jon

Good post Walt. Covered a lot of ground there. But tell me- what were Dr. Rebane and I wrong about? Trump has no upside left, he can only go in one direction. He peaked in late July as I told you. And remember the rule Walt- the marathon is not won at the start or by the early sprint. Its going to be a long and slow decline for Mr. Trump...long and slow.

George Boardman

Walt, you better load up because they're coming:
http://www.ncscooper.com/federal-gun-confiscation-unit-arrives-in-penn-valley-ca/

Walt

Thanks for the heads up George B. I doubt "they" will make it this far.
You will find pictures on milk cartons of the missing first.
This is PV. NOT Nevada City.
I even moved my Bradly fighting vehicle for better accessibility. Now it can't be seen by Google Earth.
As the song says,, " A country boy can survive".

Jon

hey fish, you don't get it do you? The inefficiencies, reimbursement problems, and economic viability of private practice started long before Obamacare. The regulatory changes, technology and reporting requirements started long before Obamacare. The drive toward consolidation into large healthcare systems started long before Obamacare. If Obamacare is repealed, the changes in healthcare will continue unabated. So conveniently lazy and inaccurate to wrap all these changes under Obamacare, but its good politically.

Todd Juvinall

Fish excellent comments. The reason health insurance costs rose so much is the interference in the business of insurance. When the government started passing laws requiring them to cover things then all hell broke loose on the cost side. Why should we let the government involve itself? If a company wants to insure only corns on your feet, why or how did it pass they have to cover anything else?

Walt

No,,,,"jon",,, MY philosophy is holding strong. " Get in front,, and STAY there."
LIBS just can't do to Trump what they are doing to Carson, which is down right despicable.

It's pretty sad that collage grads need to turn to prostitution to pay off their GOV. loans. Yup,, Liberalism is working.
" High mom and Dad, I graduated collage!!" Dad:" that's great news honey,, have a job lined up?" ( you can figure out the rest)

Jon

That's right Walt, it is sad. The excessive cost of higher education is a very complicated issue, way beyond your pay grade. But I'm quite sure you would vehemently oppose additional government aid for deserving college students. Not sure you're exactly the guy to comment about higher education, Walt.

Todd Juvinall

Walt, I think he is liking the "pink" this month.

fish

Posted by: Jon | 09 October 2015 at 11:20 AM


So if we repeal Obamacare these trends will continue but the empirical evidence so far shows that with Obamacare these trends are accelerating. Costs up (faster), consolidation continues (faster), regulatory burden increasing (faster) hey you're right jon it sounds like a great deal....should have done it years ago!

Actually though no need to repeal we'll just wait for it to collapse of it own weight soon enough!

George Rebane

fish 1205pm - Interesting to watch this thread. I do believe that you may be too hopeful about expecting Obamacare "to collapse of its own weight soon enough". Never underestimate the power of leviathan to raise taxes to pay for any and all of its foolish programs - there is no limit to their ability to confiscate your wages or wealth. And listening to our progressive brethren here, you can tell that they condone such confiscatory taxation 'for the common good' as they see it. Recall what the USSR did, and what the EU countries are going through right now after discovering that their socialized medicine programs are unsustainable (higher taxes, reduction of services and still the healthcare percent of GDP keeps increasing).

fish

Posted by: George Rebane | 09 October 2015 at 12:22 PM

Even by the usual standards of incompetence from the federal government this law is bad. This may be the worst law ever enacted.


http://benefitrevolution.blogspot.com/2015/10/my-visit-with-armstrong-getty-re-latest.html

Pour yourself a scotch.....maybe 2 or 3.....or 4 and spend sometime on the linked site. It will reinforce your position that this is the last great century of man!

This isn't your usual DC bad this is Chicago bad....headed for Detroit bad!

fish

Yep.....taxes are the price we pay for civilization!


http://freebeacon.com/issues/feds-spend-60000-for-play-about-first-gay-president-who-fights-zombies-in-wh-basement/

Walt

Anyone read the Union pages today?
So someone wants Eskaton to go union.(SEIU) I guess that person is sitting on a pretty good retirement account. Otherwise they will be singing a new tune when the new bill comes in.
Union will mean the cost will get passed down to the tenants. I'm pretty sure not everyone will like the price hike.
As they say, be careful of what you ask for.


fish

In honor of the Pontiff of Rome:

http://www.jsmineset.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/clip_image0014.jpg


He truly walks in the footsteps of Jesus!

George Rebane

fish 321jpm - Now that was cold Mr Fish ;-)

Walt

My devout Catholic Mrs. Is in agreement with Fish.
ya' can't get much closer to the truth.

What gets me, is just how did the Liberal "separation of church and state" loons even allow him in the building? Prayers inside the building? They must have come unglued! Let alone the POPE to even enter.(GOD forbid!)

Yes,, the Pope took a real chance stepping into that den of thieves.

Walt

" Someone",, gave me crap about "O" showing up in Roseburg. I stated that folks up there didn't really want "O" to show up. So....,,, "someone",, see the people lining the street
today? I didn't see one "welcome" sign. One reminded "O" he's missing his tee time at the golf course.
As predicted, he just had to make a statement that was anti gun, and more laws are needed.
He and the LIBS don't even know the existing laws on the books.

Bill  Tozer

Well Walt, if he is so supportive of gun control, perhaps your aquinatence should move to the south side of Chicago.

http://news.yahoo.com/anti-violence-programs-shut-down-chicago-shootings-climb-164912770.html

https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/738926242908082/?type=3&theater

Bill  Tozer

Rock and rolla time:

https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/738935822907124/?type=3&theater

Oh Chicago, the adopted home city of the Big Goose Egg, Mr. Zerobama.

https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/739078366226203/?type=3&theater

Bill  Tozer

Geez, how come after every school shooting, the lapdog libs want to take guns from those who did not do it. Can't recall one single NRA member going out hunting for people at work or play or class. Maybe I am plumb ignorant.

http://www.americasfreedomfighters.com/2015/10/09/boom-thousands-of-angry-oregon-patriots-destroy-obamas-visit-he-never-expected-this-video/

I be ignorant about a lot of things. I ain't a smart feller like the lofty libs, but I be a pretty good fart smeller.

https://www.facebook.com/angryamericanpatriots/photos/pb.492037610911691.-2207520000.1444443667./830939163688199/?type=3&theater

We have had enough. Go Trump

Bill  Tozer

Better get this quote in before Jon starts with his one glass of wine for us" routine.

Quote: "The FBI has seized 4 State Department Computers. That is breathtaking in itself if you think about it." I would say so. The wheels are turning. Lynch, Lynch's boss, and Congress all going after the poor 200 million dollar woman. Must be a The Great Bi-Partisan Conspiracy again. Nighty nite.

Don Bessee

Gee did you guys put out a hit on the 'jon' it has not spewed any bs for over 8 hours? If it wants to see Ellen it should go the Union archives and look at the front page the day after we passed the pot ord. 2349. That's her sitting behind the sheriff on his left in the business suit.

Walt

LOL!! Don,, Now THAT is a good one. Maybe the NSA computer data grab flagged him for a "visit" by the gun grabber van. (see George B's news flash above with my name on it.)

Don Bessee

I think the ASA vp POS is a likely candidate for the 'jon'. Much the same rhetoric. The failure to push back on the Bishop Allen story and the hate for Ellen seems to indicate their fear factor. They would be crazed if they had any idea of the coalition building that SAM has achieved in the bay area and northern CA. Well that is if they were not so stoned. ROFLOL

Walt

The "jon" get busted? There was that raid shortly after his last post.
He would't be the first of George's resident Leftys to get stuffed in "extended stay" Nev. Co. ( Just a guess.)

Michael R. Kesti

Jim Firth commented today on an article posted to Jeff Pelline's Sierra Foothill's report with the headline, "How is it they don't act" on guns? As I have been banned from comment on Pelline's blog I will comment here. First, to establish context, the text of Firth's comment.

I have to share these ideas from a reader of the Guardian,
How about we treat every young man who wants to buy a gun like every woman who wants to get an abortion -?~ mandatory 48-hr waiting period, ?~ parental permission, ?~ a note from his doctor proving he understands what he's about to do, ?~ a video he has to watch about the effects of gun violence…
Let's close down all but one gun shop in every state and make him travel hundreds of miles, take time off work, and stay overnight in a strange town to get a gun. Make him walk through a gauntlet of people holding photos of loved ones who were shot to death, people who call him a murderer and beg him not to buy a gun. It makes more sense to do this with young men and guns than with women and health care, right? I mean, no woman getting an abortion has killed a room full of people in seconds, right?

All of these comparisons are false and/or misleading.

Many (most?) states already require mandatory waiting periods between the time firearms are purchased and may be delivered.

Many (most?) states prohibit sales of firearms to minors and they may use firearms only under the supervision of a parent or a person designated by a parent. Some require training which ensures an understanding of guns' potentials and that training probably includes videos.

There are certainly more than fifty abortion clinics in the nation and abortions are also performed in hospitals and doctor's offices. There are, none the less, locations where a young woman would have to travel to obtain an abortion but it is interesting that most of these are in the nation's heartland where the term "family values" still has meaning and the demand for abortions is correspondingly low.

All are free to organize such gauntlets. It seems the strength of that conviction is lacking among the gun control faction, however. Perhaps that is because they know that very few gun owners are going to kill people.

Finally, it probably is true that no woman getting an abortion has killed a room full of people but every one of them have prevented or terminated a human life.

George Rebane

Re MichaelK's 136pm - there are about 1,800 abortion clinics in the US, and if the woman has an emergency or health related requirement for an abortion, they may be performed in almost all hospitals.

Walt

Firth is SOOO ill informed. Ca.,,, 15 day waiting period to acquire ANY firearm. ( VARY few exceptions to that law)
I can't go to Nev. or Oregon to buy a gun, without Ca. rules applied.(legally)
This "waiting period" has been deemed "Unconstitutional". But the courts are letting the state appeal, and the state is dragging it's feet as long as possible.

Someone should ask Firth (or any anti gun person) if they would like their doctors to turn over their medical records to the government. " there oughta be a LAW!!"
You know,, all that "private info"?? Then what else can the "G" man look for and "deem" someone "unfit" to do?(or own) Drive a car maybe?
Yes.. Let's let the government make those decisions. Watch how fast the tune changes.
Then they might tell you just what activities you can or can't do.( Gov. pays for your health care... Remember?)

Gotta love that attitude that " It's OK,, those laws won't apply to me".

Walt

The EPA is looking for a gun fight?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/oct/10/epa-spends-millions-on-military-style-weapons-repo/

"The Environmental Protection Agency has spent millions of dollars over the last decade on military-style weapons to arm its 200 “special agents” to fight environmental crime.

Among the weapons purchased are guns, body armor, camouflage equipment, unmanned aircraft, amphibious assault ships, radar and night-vision gear and other military-style weaponry and surveillance activities, according to a new report by the watchdog group Open the Books."

They can start with the illegal dope growers.

I guess the ranchers are next, since the EPA has power over the irrigation ditches.
OH the hell a guy will go through if an EPA drone see's a cow pee in a vernal pool.

Jon

Walt, you're brilliant in your paranoia. You are truly on to something.

Walt

Paranoia? Yaaaa......
Then try this on for size. The LIBS dream,, and SO ripe for voter fraud.
They finally found a way to get illegals to vote.
http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article38684598.html
"In a bid to improve voter turnout in California elections, Gov. Jerry Brown on Saturday signed legislation to automatically register to vote anyone who has a driver’s license or state identification card.

The measure was pushed by Democrats, whose candidates and causes typically benefit from higher turnout elections.

Assembly Bill 1461, by Assemblywoman Lorena Gonzalez, D-San Diego, will require the state to register adults to vote when they get or renew a driver’s license, unless they opt out. It will make California only the second state, after Oregon, to proactively register people to vote unless they decline."

Ya' think DMV is going to check for felons? (ya... Right)
Illegals now get driver's licences. (Instant voter)

Bill  Tozer

Now Uncle Jerry says it's ok for children of illegals to come on down and leave a big grease spot at the Unaffordable Care office. Unafforable unless you are deadbeat broke, then it be free. They play, we pay.

https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/739085776225462/?type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/561939430622950/?type=3&theater

George Rebane

re Walt 814pm - Does that now make it legal for non-citizens to vote in California since one does not have to be a citizen or even a legal resident to get a California driver's license?

Bill  Tozer

Wow what have we here. They say anger is the fasted way to get out of depression. You get depressed who you realize you are losing something, like a job, lady friend, reputation, a sure bet to be the First Female.
Man alive, they are coaching the bejeezus out of her to hide her anger the best they can. Debate prep for her is a crash course in anger management. Wonder what the next step in grief is?

http://nypost.com/2015/10/10/hillary-clintons-camp-she-could-have-a-serious-melt-down/

fish

Posted by: Bill Tozer | 10 October 2015 at 10:19 PM


I guess the next best thing to Hillary winning and me enjoying watching her slow descent into madness would be her losing and watching it happen much more rapidly!


Hmmmm.....can't decide!

Bill  Tozer

Oh, I just can't get enough of this sweet stuff. Awesome then the things that used to work so well suddenly don't work so swell. The longer she hangs around as the one and only Democrat Party National front runner, the lower the gender voter gap.

http://nypost.com/2015/10/10/hillarys-desperate-pitch-did-i-mention-im-a-woman/

I am Woman, hear me roar.

Steven Frisch

"Now Uncle Jerry says it's ok for children of illegals to come on down and leave a big grease spot at the Unaffordable Care office. "

Hey Russ, you gonna object to this, 'dog whistle'?

Jon

"Uncle Jerry says it's ok for children of illegals to come on down and leave a big grease spot at the Unaffordable Care office."

nah, there are no racists here. These are fine god fearing, great Americans posting here.

Bill  Tozer

Dynamic Duo: Yep, I put the grease spot in there on purpose just to see if you were paying attention and like chili fries. Never mind they get free health care and many citizens with full rights cannot afford $230/month with a 5k deductible for the Unafforable Patient Protection Act.

It's not what you say, it's how you say it.

We should go back to the future and go back to what worked back then. It was called "hospitalization." Buy a cheap policy that covered hospitalization for major events and pay out of pocket for the rest....just like Obamacare, only cheaper. With high deductibles, you still pay out of pocket today, just like having no insurance, except no monthly premiums that do you no good except a free yearly physical and mammogram. Just think how affordable health care and Heath insurance would be if we went back to the future. Hospitalization is cheap, like buying term life insurance, and with all the money you save on worthless monthly premiums, you could afford the out of pocket visits without breaking the budget. Think about that, grease spots.

Joe Koyote

More news about the Republican's shameful Benghazi investigation:

WASHINGTON, Oct 10 (Reuters) - A former investigator for the House of Representatives Select Committee on Benghazi is accusing the Republican-led panel of targeting Democrat Hillary Clinton to scupper her presidential bid, the New York Times and CNN reported on Saturday.

They said Major Bradley Podliska, an intelligence officer in the Air Force Reserve on active duty in Germany, alleged that he was fired for resisting pressure to focus his investigation into the 2012 attack on the U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi on Clinton's role.

For republicans, it's not about governing, just about winning.

Gregory

"For republicans, it's not about governing, just about winning."

JoKe is projecting a'gin.

Here's an account from another side
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/10/benghazi-committee-spurned-staffer-lying-fired-trying-blackmail-us/

Jon

Greg, very few people are buying the Benghazi kool aid anymore, especially after McCarthy slipped up. The gig is up. Way too much evidence that its a partisan witchunt.

Bill  Tozer

Jon Juan: There is a whole lot on Senate and House and Justice Department committees and investigations going on. No, not to do with Benghazi, just that Benghazi has led us to now two private servers. Remember, the FOIA requests and Congressional inquiry was for two Rodham aides' e-mails and communications (and from State around that time). plus, a couple of real pissed off judges who keep getting the runaround for well over a year and where starting to count to three.
Hillary's second daughter Mrs. Werner was not even in the top two. Cheryl Mills revealed the existence of the private server, thus explaining why State was missing 5 months of classified communiques.

So, the Benghazi thang has turned out much more hanky panky than just Ambassor Stevens laying there dead and photos of his killers sitting on him start appearing on Twitter. Guess they stopped to take Facebook Photos on themselves on top of their trophy as they "were taking him to the hospital".

FBI has seized 4 State Department computers. Hillary told her private server to delete all emails 30 days old AFTER State told Hillary to turn it over. Heck, when all is said and done, she will either be not charged, not guilty, or slapped with a misdemeanor.
But, I love the details of this that are in the small print. For example, the e-mail of State's Intel on the Republic of Congo from Rodham's office to The Clinton Foundation. Can't believe that impoverished country could ever come up with such a lavish donation to The Foundation while Rodham paid a visit to The Foundation.. Sweeeet!

fish

Say what you want about the Russians.....since chucking communism they have been building some awfully attractive and functional aircraft!

No more stodgy collectivist shit wagons!


http://www.unz.com/tsaker/week-one-of-the-russian-military-intervention-in-syria/

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/su27/images/su27_2.jpg

http://www.ausairpower.net/Su-34-Fullback/NAPO-Su-34-Fullback-V.Kuzmin-0112-2.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/user/glitterboy2098/media/RIFTS/Aces%20Wild%20-%20air%20combat%20in%20the%20golden%20age/aircraft/modern/Russian/mig35.jpg.html

Bill  Tozer

Look what the Koch Bros. did. Sue them I say. Hope the former boxer Harry from Searchlight got his licks in. Took one in the check bone though. Things are different when the gloves come off and your reflexes are a wee bit slower.

https://www.facebook.com/USAPatriots/photos/pb.133154313381817.-2207520000.1444588844./932458583451382/?type=3&theater

Todd Juvinall

McCarthy was not affected by the Benghazi comment on Hillary. In fact if the loons on the left would admit the truth they would see he did not make a reference to why the committee was formed but that Hillary was a lying skank about her role and it has affected her numbers. God forbid a politcal body (Congress) full of 435 politicians would say anything remotely considered political. Goodness the left is full of stupid people.

The loony libnuts posting here really have no clue. "jon" is as Paul Emery spews, "dancing on Stevens grave" Pathetic.

Steven Frisch

The reality is McCarthy's faux pas coupled with yesterday's whistleblower allegations from Air Force Major and former investigator Bradley Podliska took the Benghazi issue away from the Republican nominee.

Frankly the Benghazi Committee could do even more damage to the Republican nominee next week when Secretary Clinton testifies if they do not behave substantially better than their colleagues did at the Planned Parenthood hearings, which they have shown no ability to discipline themselves to do. l

All y'all can keep thinkin' you have an issue but from now on you will only be damaging a Republican nominee's ability to cut into independent support for Secretary Clinton if you do.

Todd Juvinall

You grasp of politics is really infantile. Number one issue for the American people is the economy. Benghazi and this new "revelation" are not in the cards of importance to the election 13 months away. The R's will lambaste the democrats using the failure of Obama and his policies of huge debt an Obamacare . So hold on to your eco non-profit tent sized shorts there Steve Frisch. You will need a army to clean them.

Steven Frisch

Seriously Todd, if you do believe the economy will be the number one issue (which I kind of agree with because the economy is almost always the number one issue) then your guys, barring an unforeseen recession (which I admit could happen), are friggin' toast. Your only hope is to use derivative issues like Benghazi to attack the Democrat BECAUSE the economy is the number one issue, and McCarthy just took that away from you.

On November 8th 2016 the US will have the lowest unemployment rate since 2000, the economy will according to almost all reputable economists and financial analysts not be in recession, inflation, gasoline prices and interest rats will be low, and consumer confidence and investor portfolios will be at near record highs.

If this election is about the economy you are in real trouble.

Plus we know your record for prognostication---you have picked losers for a pretty consistent 8 years while these blogs have been in existence.

Bill  Tozer

We do have an issue here, a issue about security. National security to be more specific. Lest we forget, Hillary is not indicted for nothing.
The political aspects of the four dead Americans are:
1). Rodham bobbled the 3 am call.
2). Rodham can't handle two e-mail accounts, yet is fit to be President?
3). A whole lot of greasing the palms surrounding the Clinton Croonies for decades now. Not just a Benjazi thang.
4). As our Nation's top diplomat, Rodham could not recognize what classified information looks like, not to mention top secret Intel. Gross incompetence to be exremely generous to her. Beyond comprehension considered her debriefing when leaving office and all State records are to left behind before walking out the door.
5). The Ragheads knew the exact steps, routes, and time Stevens would be when and where, most likely derived from hacked info between Rodham and her special advisor Sydney B, whom Obama himself refused to let Rodman hire him at State as a special assistant. Banned from government work.
6). Rodham is the perfect standard bearer of the Dem Party, yet because of her actions and decision making long long history, the American people would like to see a woman as President, but not "that woman". Rodham I mean, not Miss Lewinsky.

Todd Juvinall

Steven Frisch | 11 October 2015 at 12:16 PM

Perhaps you should not believe me but read all the polls from all the sources. My goodness are you that stupid Frisch?

94 million American out of the workforce and not counted in the commutation for unemployment. That is a widely known fact you apparently are ignorant of. Also, people who own their own businesses and are not an employee of their "corporation" are not counted in the numbers either. So add a bunch more. If you don't think the economy will be an issue then all I have said about how dumb you are is true.

Oh and since you are such a large employer of minorities in the SBC, the black and Hispanic unemployment rates are quite high. Especially with blacks. You know, the race of people you refuse to employ apparently.

Steven Frisch

Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 11 October 2015 at 12:48 PM

Did you read my post? I agreed with you that the economy WILL be an issue; the problem for you is that it will be a strength not a weakness of Democratic nominee. Yes there are too many people 'underemployed', about 25 million, but your figure of 94 million out of the workforce is actually irrelevant, that number was high before the recession, and most of those are by choice. The real issue is the 24 million who are underemployed and would want and do 'more' work. But who do you think independent voters are going to trust to bring that number down, the people who have reduced unemployment from 13% to 6% in 7 years, or the people who gave us a 13% unemployment rate to begin with?

You better believe the economy is going to a cornerstone of the Clinton campaign (or Sanders should he be the nominee); and the message is going to be we have already done pretty well compared to the Republicans and we can do more.

Bill  Tozer

Oh, Todd, don't be such a naysayer. Look at the bright side. For every net job this administration takes full credit for creating, there are 75 people on food stamps. See Mr. Stud Todd, the "progressives" are fundamentally changing America by helping the poor folks.....the exponentially growing po folk.

Steven Frisch

I will fall back on Todd's record of prognostication. He is like 0-2 in the Presidential sweepstakes, and almost always wrong at the state constitutional officer level.

It does not take a rocket scientist (like George or Russ;) to know that local elections are usually right of center. Todd's claim to fame is that he knows we will be represented by a Republican in the US House, and state Senate and Assembly Districts.

Wow, a monkey could tell me that.

Don Bessee

Frischy, Frischy, Frischy, there you go again. It sure as hell matters to that 94 million and their families. They are not nancy pelosis wanna be artists, that dog don't hunt. While some are fine being federal dependents that is the small minority. I have heard from the moms in the hood who know that 0's economy has given them nothing but 0phones and more lost youth and massive unemployment for real. They have been brutalized by energy costs for your green dream and had the 0 economy drop on their heads like a ton of bricks. Remember we spent a day or two dissecting those numbers and the 'jon' like you are wishing away bad news. The numbers of native born in the workforce has declined in direct proportion to the immigrant workforce growth. None of those facts are lost on the real people. You know, the ones who do not spout the party line.

Steven Frisch

Posted by: Don Bessee | 11 October 2015 at 01:52 PM

I am sure you are very popular 'in the hood' Don.

Todd Juvinall

Steven Frisch | 11 October 2015 at 02:00 PM

I see you can't debate even the bogus unemployment numbers. Typical libnut. Even a monkey could do better the you.

Regarding DonB. He takes women and children in danger an escorts them to safety as I understand. Incidents where you would hide and squeal like a 11 year old girl. You are sooo easy.

George Rebane

Re the 94M out of the workforce. According to the Dept of Commerce this cohort does not include the young, disabled, or elderly/retired. They are made up of people who 1) do not need to work because they have alternative (public and/or private) sources of income, and 2) those who are looking but can't find work. Category 1 contains the notorious one percenters but mostly welfare queens about which we may continue that line of debate about government's destruction of productive society to produce reliable voters. There can't be too many of the one percenters since they make up only about 3.2M of the population.

Category 2 is the real issue here as from their midst come the new systemically unemployed, and Obama's recovery has made these by the millions.

Steven Frisch

Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 11 October 2015 at 02:09 PM

Really Todd, I think Don is lying. Dn why don't you tell us about your selfless work escorting women and children 'in the hood' to safety. Who you you work for? Do you have a concealed carry permit? Do you work for a non-profit organizations? Do they receive public funding of any sort? Do they know about your court history in Nevada County?

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