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25 January 2016

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Russ Steele

In my 20 years in the Air Force, I had many assignments, and some of those assignments required Top Secret SCI Access. It was vital the enemy did not know how and when intelligence data was being collected as they could close the access points.

For those readers who never served in the military or served in a position when special need to know access was required, I recommend they read a book titled Area 51: An Uncensored History of America's Top Secret Military Base, by Anne Jacobsen

This is the first book based on interviews with eye witnesses to Area 51 history, which makes it the seminal work on the subject. Filled with formerly classified information that has never been accurately decoded for the public, Area 51 weaves the mysterious activities of the top-secret base into a gripping narrative, showing that facts are often more fantastic than fiction, especially when the distinction is almost impossible to make.

Once the reader starts it is hard to put the book down. But more importantly, it lifts the lid on a special access program so the reader can experience the collective need for special access programs and why they are important.

This something that Hillary Clinton's staff failed to understand. And in her hubris and feeling of superiority, I am not sure that Hillary Clintons understood the need for special access programs. Lives often depend on maintaining the secret. Something which she seem to disregard over a 1,000 times by using an unsecured server network.

It is easy for the left to discount the damage done, but those of us who have had admission understood the weight of the responsibilities that comes with access to vital secrets. The need to protect the lives of those at the spearpoint of a classified operation and to preserve the billions invested in developing a unique collection capability. Having once accepted those responsibilities we are totally dismayed as to why Mrs. Clinton and her Staff are not wearing prison orange.

Robert Cross

TOMORROW - 9:05 AM - Public Comment at the Board of Supervisors meeting - If you plan to address them, please meet me in the lobby at 8:30. The more of us who talk the better."

Don't be so sure of that. The BOS didn't seem to listen to the overwhelming number of people who spoke against the outdoor growing ban.

fish

Just the kind of headline that can push a progressive back into contention.........


"O'Malley Gaining Support Among Young Illegals in Iowa...


I swear.....with the exception of Ms Orange Pantsuit it's like they are all trying to lose!

Don Bessee

RC-1004 Lets not forget all the people who complained about bad neighborhood conditions in the last year and the ones with jobs who could not attend but had their voices heard by snail mail, phone and emails. Do you think it helped or hurt the growers to include a bunch of people from out of the area who could not even grow where they lived to a discussion about Nevada County?

Bill Tozer

Green energy will end violence. Always a silver lining.

https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/784080211726018/?type=3&theater

Todd Juvinall

Hey GeorgeR, here is the latest from "Jon Smith" on another blog. Liberals just don't stop voting for people becasue of their politcia, they try to run them out of business. Done to me many times. Now Strawser is their target. Thanks goodness the people of the county for the most part are not as extreme as Smith etal.

jon smith says:
January 26, 2016 at 10:18 am

I had to read this twice. I have shopped at Duane and Connie’s since day one. Great small town business. I had no idea he was a closet tea bagger in bed with right wing extremists with the likes of Todd and Keone. Not only will I certainly not vote for Duane, he has lost my business forever. I believe I am at the tip of the iceberg in the local mt. bike community when it comes to political leanings. This could be an expensive election for the Strawsers. I will do my best to spread the word. Go Heidi!

Don Bessee

The 'jons' have already provided ample proof of their intolerance for divergent opinions that don't slavishly follow the party line.

drivebyposter

"This could be an expensive election for the Strawsers. I will do my best to spread the word. "

lol. I have to admit that that's a particularly evil tendency in modern people of the political persuasion. Somebody disagrees with your pet peeves? Put them out of business, make sure they can't get a job, get them fired, shame them on social media, hand out personal info on them or their kids.

It's all pretty remarkable.

The internet has sped the whole thing up of course. It never forgets, and allows 'the word' to get passed around quickly in order to maximize punishment of the wicked.

It applies to companies of course. Imagine the fuss if a Chick fil A moved into the area. A bunch of well meaning people with signs spewing their feelings out about a company that seems to be connected to one of the subgroups (Christians) who are not members of a protected class.

Gotta love it.

Todd Juvinall

The left has been very successful in pushing America back into the hands of the "KING". The government "king" is made up of millions of the faithful liberal/left.

George Rebane

On the other hand, I haven't seen any conservatives vow not to shop at Briar Patch once they find out that it is owned and run by flaming liberals. When mindless middle roaders write off both sides as being morally equivalent, they're really missing something.

Don Bessee

Madam liar liar pantsuits on fire has bled off 18 points in her support among black voters in the last month.

Bonnie McGuire

More proof not to believe what some people say about being liberal...by looking at what they do. To me liberal means open minded and allowing others to have another opinion than yours. It's obscene how some pervert liberal to hide their vicious, hateful mentality towards others with whom they disagree. Historically they represent most of the bloodshed throughout the world. Very ignorant.

Gregory

I first walked into the Briar Patch (the one on Joerschke Drive) in early 1992. Lots of expensive stuff in small boxes and worm eaten organic produce (some of it more than OK) but also bulk foods at reasonable prices... a firm believer in life being too short for fake maple syrup, they kept my family safe from Log Cabin Syrup for many years. However, with three magazines featuring a smiling Karl Marx on the cover on their rack that day, we called them the "Commie Co-op" from the start.

They mostly lost my business when the Whole Foodsified location opened with new sky high prices. It never dawned on me to not buy at Briar Patch because I didn't agree with their politics, and I don't see a Pelline-led boycott of a popular store being a good move for the FUE. Some clever lawyer should probably write a couple of demand letters for all information on "jon smith" on behalf of the aggrieved.

Don Bessee

The dark lord of liberal lament land supporting a business boycott is easy for him and makes sense since he has nothing to boycott. ;-)

Bill Tozer

Without darkening Little Big Man's blog, I will just have to take ya'll's word for it. I like Dwayne. And his family and his dog. And his business. Good man. Not a conman.
Well, it's no sweat off of the Little Big Man's mangina. He ain't the type to be riding a bicycle anyway. Imagine what that "buried somewhere up there" bicycle seat would look like. Sorry, I will do a group vomit for everybody as a selfish act of community service.
This is indeed too much fun. No visual aides needed. Always a silver lining.

Oh, how thoughtless of me. Hi Jeffried! Love ya, man. You rock......and roll. Big hugs and kisses coming your way.

Bill Tozer

Baby Huey and the Sock Puppets getting ready for the Nevada City Father's Day bike race...in Nevada City of course.

http://www.funnypica.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Funny-Fat-People-Funny-Fat-People-021-FunnyPica.com_.jpg

Bill Tozer

Come on, it's getting cold.

http://www.memecenter.com/fun/835605/when-im-waiting-for-my-meme-to-get-featured

Paul Emery

Don

What is your source of your 12:11 ?

jon smith

Duane supports (or is supported by) the Tea baggers who advocate the elimination of bike paths, bike trails, and even bike stands because they are spawn of Agenda 21. I don't pretend to understand his rationale, but have shifted my business to the Bike Emporium in Auburn who advocates for bike trails. My wife recently bought a $4,000.00 bike from Duane (yeah, over the friggin' top). That will never happen again. Scoop: BONC will be going on record to boycott Duane's shop.

Todd Juvinall

Yeah we know you are a dumkoff Jon mith. The Tea Party is sooo scary (all those little old veterans( and their manifesto says they are against trails and hiking and even apple pie! Yep, you chickens crack me up. So Duane gets a endorsement and your ilk decides to boycott a local businessman. He does a lot of good for the community but you are so dense about things you can't see past your nose. You are what is wrong with America right now.

Bill Tozer

My, you really know how to hurt a guy, Jon Smith. Where do you stand on those Chinese Lanterns strung across Commerical Street? What are you going to do about the Stonehouse? Or granny units within 500 feet of a park? Boy, this is earth shattering stuff going on in the Berkeley of Da Sierra. Imagine that, a traitor among your midst. Now you are going to drive down the hill to spend your formerly local dollars. And that is also bad for the environment with your carbon footprint increasing with every kilometer on your trek to find serenity in Auburn. And the loss of local sales taxes. Alas, I can bear no more of this local yokel impotent stuff.

Knew a business owner locally that once exchanged pleasantries after hanging up the phone with an unpleasant person. He took a deep breath, exhaled, then said "You never want to lose a customer, but some you are happy when they leave." Don't let the door hit ya where the Good Lord split ya. Happy trails to you..
Meanwhile outside of Nirvana City in the big wide world:

https://www.facebook.com/USAPatriots/photos/a.448370578526854.103985.133154313381817/1049553528408553/?type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/USAPatriots/photos/a.448370578526854.103985.133154313381817/1055520317811874/?type=3&theater

Todd Juvinall

Smith is po-dunk lefty extremist. He would burn his own house down if his wife liked Tea.

Don Bessee

Tea Party? I thought the endorsement was from the Contractors Association?

Todd Juvinall

DonB, the Smith guy is insane to connect the NCBA and the TP's. But that is what the left does. Guilt by association. Run the bike dude out of town for some fantasy hatred. You cannot make this stuff up.

Walt

Really J. Smith? Maybe I missed it. Just where do the Tea Party types oppose bike paths?
Maybe where some "biker gang" wants to cut through private property.( that has happened in the past)
HELL! Here in PV we have a great bike path, yet some of the peddle pushers refuse to use it, and stay on the busy street.( Yup,, One who decided to hold up traffic, and yes,, I DID point out just where us taxpayers provided him safer riding... " USE IT YOU SOB!!!")

Speaking of "bikers",, Try stopping at stop signs.. They apply to you guys too.

As for "hip" foods, I don't shop there. "Organic" means just more expensive.
Organic isn't really environment saving. It uses more water, crops are smaller, and more prone to bug damage and disease.
Down at the local market there was an "organic" whole chicken, and next to it, was the standard grown. The "organic" clucker was scrawny,and 2/3ds the size. and not appealing one bit. Yet three bucks more than the one next to it. If you want to pay more for less,, have at it.

Bill Tozer

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http://gopthedailydose.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/muslims-by-jeff-foxworthy1.jpg

Gregory

Walt, I'm not familiar with the PV bike path you are referring to but unless a section of road is legally posted otherwise, cyclists have every right to use it.

Many bike paths are suitable only for kids riding slowly, not adults trying to get somewhere. Back off.

jon smith

Walt, I'm only repeating what Bonnie M. wrote a couple of months back in the right wing rag under the banner Agenda 21. She writes that bike paths, round abouts, and sidewalks are spawn of Agenda 21 to keep us in line with third world countries where most people don't have cars. If that isn't Tea Party gibberish, what is it? Hold up a mirror to the contractors board and you will see a reflection of our farthest right wing nuts. I do not begrudge either the left or the right, but I don't have much tolerance for extremists in either group. A great thing about being an American is that we have choices. I shop at SPD rather some giant grocery chain by choice. I will no longer shop at Tour of Nevada City bike shop whose owner is supported by a PAC that I despise when Real Wheels is half a mile down the road. Is it somehow wrong to vote with my wallet? It is nice to have choices even if you don't agree with my choice.

Bill Tozer

Gregory, the Penn Valley bicycle path is a nice (asphalt paved lanes) seen along Western Gateway Park and beyond. Built with Stimulus Funds I believe.
Sure, you see women on the lane walking their dogs to free range dog park and other walkers as well. Very nice, especially considering there is no true sidewalk along sections near the entrance to the park and the bike lane is a few feet back from the road and it's shoulder....a shoulder where most of it is non-existent.
Yes, anyone can ride their bicycles on the road (Penn Valley Drive), but not recommended. Be like riding up Pasquale Road to Casacade Shores using the edge or shoulder of the road instead of a specific bike lane just off the road (if there was one in this hypothetical example). Imagine Pasquale Road with 20x the traffic in both directions.
I, myself, have had to slow way down (under 10mph) if there are pedestrians on the street or if some ass wipe cyclists clogs up the lane because there is no reasonable safe passing or driving around cyclists sharing the road. Too narrow for a two lane thoroughfare, no shoulders in spots, and windy curvy road where you can't always see around the bend. In this respect, Walt is right. There is a nice designated smooth and safe bike path that runs parallel to the main drag. As far a cyclists wanting to get up and go, the whole area is a 25mph speed zone. No going fast.
All in all, not a hill worth defending for me today. Maybe when some pedestrian or cyclist gets their head crushed accidentally by a motorist, then I might revisit the topic.

Bill Tozer

PS: the bike lane is stripped in the middle to alert users to to stay on their side in which direction they are traveling, if I recall correctly.

Bill Tozer

Jon smith. We all vote with our feet and our wallets. Good thing is we have choices. Some places have more choices than others. If that is how you feel, more power to ya. It is plum unreasonable not to have people condone or voice disapproval of your or my (anybody's) choices. We don't have that kind of power, nor should we. As long as you are comfortable in your own skin is all that matters, whether people like it or not. That is what makes America great.
What many are passionate about is the idea that an indivual does not have some choices or rights as the collective indivuals have garnered more rights than the indivual. That is where the real passions come out.

Gregory

If people are walking their dogs on a bike path it isn't a bike path anymore. It's a sidewalk/jogging path. Time for cyclists over the age of 15 with some driving experience to use the parallel street.

Tozer, the lines on a bike path are not a barrier... once, when riding a large SoCal bike path (nice concrete, wide, with a line down the middle) I did a head-on when a 13 year old girl riding with her family decided to just veer into oncoming traffic... me. Came a cropper, flipping over and landing a few yards away. Took me about 15 minutes to decide my hip wasn't broken and chanced standing up, ended up with a diagnosis of a sprained hip (aka rider's sprain, not uncommon for horse riders). Couldn't walk for a couple weeks... I remember thinking that Naprosyn stuff didn't do a damn thing for the pain and tried not using it... big mistake. In those days I was generally riding well over 150 miles a week, sometimes over 100 miles in a day. Velodromes, too.

I avoided bike paths after that. Too dangerous to ride fast enough to raise a sweat whether I was trying to get somewhere or going nowhere.

Until your road is widened enough to safely pass a cyclist riding legally, you'll just have to wait until oncoming traffic is clear. That's the way is is on a number of roads, and it's the law. And if necessary for safety, even a cyclist can take over the whole lane.

Gregory

Ahh, "jon smith" (are you the Jon Smith with past ties to Forest Charter high?) is out to trash Tour of Nevada City because of what Bonnie M wrote in some rag in the past. What a nice guy... you also don't really know what DS thinks... you're just basing your animosity on the stereotypes you carry with you wherever you go. Jon Smith, do you have any clue how far away from the following ideal you are?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2VCwBzGdPM


The left thinks the right are evil and hate them. The right just think the left are wrong and hate the left back. The radical libertarian middle think both are misguided and can expect mistreatment from the main tribes. Perhaps the most tribal lefties and righties can sport a large red tattoo L or R to announce to the world what their tribe is. Put a big L or R sign in store windows to announce who the store wishes to cater to.

Gregory

"What many are passionate about is the idea that an indivual does not have some choices or rights as the collective indivuals have garnered more rights than the indivual." -Tozer

And how do you square that with your inability to graciously cede a few seconds of your time to safely pass an individual cyclist on your precious road... thinking the thought of a crushed skull should be enough to warn them away? Hmmm?

Walt

Yup, it's a nice day for a bike ride. The "biker gang" was out in force this morning.
( No bike lane on my stretch of road.) Ten of them stretched out for over 100 feet or so, and some closer to the centerline than the right edge of the road. Think the bastards would mover over to let me pass safely? Or ride closer together for the same reason? Nope,,, some days they would rather be pricks. It's days like this I wish I still had my old diesel pickup that belched a nice black cloud when I stomped on the throttle.
"share the road" works both ways.

So a two lane "bike path" isn't good enough because "someone" might be walking a pooch on it? GOOD GOD man! What do you yell at the people who are walking on the same road? Plenty NEVER walk against oncoming traffic.

Bill Tozer

Oh Gregory @ 10:14 in the am.

Do not assume I have never once failed to graciously cede all the time and place it takes to pass a motorist, pedestrian, golf cart thang, or cyclist, motorized or not. Do not make such an assumption as I am one of the good drivers on the road. Even it there is a pack of them, I never have endangered them nor myself nor anyone else on road, public or private. I just hang back and wait, whether i find it inconvient or not. Safety first and besides, they always wave to me or give me the thumbs up for my courteous behavior. In extreme cases, I pull over and let my problems go by.

I will concede however that what I described in Penn Valley is not a true bike path for serious riders. More like the little girl safety path you described. Thus, I know of no true bike only street ready bike paths in Nevada County. There are bike lanes I heard, but can't think of one off the top of my head. Fair enough.
We all share the road, duh. It's the law. I share whether it is the law or not. One law I always follow...to avoid crushed skulls. A motorcycle or bicycle against my pickup will always will have the pickup win. But, we are all losers in an accident. Road rage is not my forte. Besides, my limited riding down Greenhorn Road years ago made me realize real quick that this is dangerous, the road too narrow, the shoulder too full of gravel and pine needles, and all in all not a wise idea. I was worried about getting crushed myself, not to mention a busted pelvis or hip. :)

Me thinks my words to Jon smith angered you in light of this bicycle thang. Not intended to draw a parallel of individual rights vs the privilege and responsibilities of driving. I submit to authority which is for the betterment of health and safety of the governed (in a perfect world). I oppose power, which is only for the betterment of the one who has power and enriches only that person instead of the governed. Authority is good, power bad.
A group of people have more rights (collective of individuals) than a individual has is an interesting topic in the great divide. I never considered it for motor vehicle laws as such. Hmm. Gotta go. Do you work on MacBook Pros? Anyone you can recommend? My daughter's crashed, I think it is the battery. Have money, no talent. :)

Bill Tozer

Clarification. Silly clarification, but needed. I have been a good citizen since I stopped consuming firewater a quarter of a century or more ago. So, yeah, with DUI's long off my record, I still can't say never did I not endanger anyone on the road. I can say that I am most considerate and aware of my surroundings now that 2 brain cells left. Defensive Driving was how I was taught to drive being a son of a police officer. He used to see a car pull out of a driveway a half mile up the road and yell at me to "Watch Out!, you never know what they will do." while he was teaching me how to drive the ole wood paneled wagon. Heard that ole station wagon called a Woody is worth some buck nowadays.

Bill Tozer

It's all cool, man.

http://www.theunion.com/news/20343021-113/police-blotter-cool-guy-sam-just-wants-to

Gregory

Walt, a sidewalk with a human on one side and the leashed dog on the other side isn't a bike path, it's an obstacle course. The law requires a cyclist to ride as far to the right as is practicable, and sometimes that's near the centerline. Too many aren't as far to the right as they should be, but in my experience there are as many boorish cyclists as a percentage of the total as there are boorish motorists... and they pay the same taxes as you do.
Found it
http://www.bylt.org/trail/penn-valley-bike-trail/
"Traversing much of the community, it offers an easy and enjoyable way for locals and visitors to bike or walk between neighborhoods and to access Western Gateway Park."
Every trail like that I've ever encountered has had pedestrians waking side by side, sometimes across the entire path. A little girl with a little handlebar bell riding as fast as I walk will be at home and easily accommodated.


Tozer, thanks for verifying the PV path as one of those little girl safety paths; hey, little girls and boys and their families need a place to ride bikes, too, but they aren't worth a tinker's cuss for adult fitness or transportation. Good to hear you aren't harboring homicidal rages against cyclists... maybe Walt is just too distracted by guys wearing lycra.

Sorry, I don't speak Mac and have not used any shop for tech support.

jon smith

Walt, 1/26/9:21
Sorry I couldn't dig this up earlier but some of us actually have jobs and go to work to support our nation's GDP, homeless, destitute, and lazy dopers.
Regarding your question, "Really J. Smith? Just where do the Tea Party types oppose bike paths?"

Right here:
Agenda 21 Using Bike Paths to Achieve World Domination-
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/02/is-the-un-using-bike-paths-to-achieve-world-domination/252572/

That the owner of a bike shop would accept money from a PAC made largely of Tea Party, Agenda 21 conspiracy kooks makes no sense to us common folk who enjoy riding our bikes on paths and trails made specifically for . . . bicycles.

George Rebane

jons 601pm - Don't quite know whether you're uninformed or unread - pray, to what "Agenda 21 conspiracy" are you referring?

Todd Juvinall

OK, I read the article and I could not find one thing in it quoting a Tea Party person. Reuters "story" is bogus to your point about A21. If i missed it please cut and paste the quotes from a Tea Party person. I am sorry you are so afraid of those little old lady veterans that kept your sorry arse safe. What a wimp.

Don Bessee

...or just parroting the party line from the dark lord of liberal lament land the 'jon' may be. ;-)

Russ Steele

jons@06:01PM

The International Council for Local Environmental Initiatives (ICLEI) was created in 1990 as a non-governmental organization to implement Agenda 21 around the world using local organizations. These ICLEI chapters brings the adoption of Agenda 21 down to the local level. California has 111 City and County ICLEI Chapters.

Two Members of the County Staff attend ICLEI training according to a note in the CEO weekly email memo several years ago. California supporters of ICLEI include the California Air Resources Board, Office Depot and Pacific Gas & Electric Company.

Several years ago ICLEI changed its name so we wouldn’t notice that it’s an international organization. It’s now called ICLEI--Local Governments for Sustainability. The web site lists Countries around the world with ICLEI chapters, dedicated to implementing Agenda 21.

But, of coures you know all that as you are probably a member of the local ICLEI Chapter.

George Rebane

RussS 730pm - It appears to me that the only "Agenda 21 conspiracy" that exists is the broad-based effort by America's progressives to keep that global UN program under wraps so that their gruberized sheeple don't discover what their plan is. Their continuous denial of its existence and their wholehearted compliance sure looks like another version of the same thing they're doing denying the science against preventable global warming. Or their denial that Obamacare is bust and delivering nothing it has promised. Or their continuing to support Common Core in the face of evidence that it doesn't deliver education and its costs are going through the roof. Or ...

jon smith

Here is the comic book version of Agenda 21 that even Todd might understand. This whole thing started with bicycles and you made the pivot to avoid discussing bikes probably because even you realize how friggin' stupid it sounds to demonize bike bike paths, and bicycle racks at any government building because, according to the Agenda 21 conspiracy freaks, it promotes a one world order.

http://grist.org/basics/agenda-21-everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-secret-u-n-plot-in-one-comic/

Jon

jon smith is correct. Agenda 21 is a convenient strawman to rile up the undereducated and those easily terrified of change in America, to violently oppose any semblance of traditions, cultures and common sense policies practiced by every other nation on Earth. Unfortunately, even mainstream conservative organizations like the NCCA has fallen prey to this nonsense. Most of the members and leadership are too afraid to tell their Tea Bagger friends they are loony tunes.

Russ Steele

Jons@9:39PM

No, it is not a secret. It is spelled out in UN documents, participant reports and letters. The goals are quite clear, it just that you fail to acknowledge the long term consequences of the UN initiative. The real goal was wealth distribution, to take from the wealthy countries and distribute it to the third world countries.

Todd Juvinall

Agenda 21 is a UN deal. Why are you two loser "jons" do in love with it? You must have never owned property?

jon smith

I not only own property but built a pump track for my grandson so that he could have fun on his bike before the Tea Baggers bans bikes for fear that we may be encouraging our children to enter the slippery slope of of a one world order.

Yesterday's discussion encouraged me to Google Agenda 21 + bicycles. Over 200 million hits, most of it by or about Tea Party hysteria with headlines such as "Inside Agenda 21: The International Tyranny of Bike Lanes ..."

Todd Juvinall

You are losing it Smith. And why are you calling those little old lady Tea Party folks a homosexual term? Sicko!

jon smith

Baggers? Isn't that what you call them at the checkout counter Todd? I guess you lost the war on drugs so now you'll declare war on bike lanes. Sandblasters at your ready!

I'm of the mind to buy my grand daughter a horse. Hoo boy! I can already hear the cat calls from the Tea Party as I slide even deeper into the 3rd world morass.

Meanwhile, put on your tin foil hat and buy a set of black helicopters to burn at the stake: The more I learn about the Tea Party and their Agenda 21 fixation, the more I realize how much I misunderstood your marching orders.

http://www.amazon.com/TimMee-BLACK-HELICOPTER-Strikeforce-Plastic/dp/B0168VSHT0/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1453998778&sr=8-4&keywords=black+helicopters

Todd Juvinall

So Jon Smith, a homosexual term for the Tea Party is OK with you apparently. Do you realize you lost any credibility with your denigrating words? But you libs are good at that.

George Rebane

Is it not another sign of desperation when the Left has to construct a 'war on bikes' narrative in order to deny the existence of A21 and its impact on reorganizing American society?

Todd Juvinall

When I was a Supervisor I learned how many of these programs get traction and become a part of local laws and land use regulations. The staff would go out to find a existing set of similar laws in place somewhere else and then place that into the local rules, laws and regulations. Our General Plan is full of the crap. Anyway, the best place to see that strategy being implemented is in the "salaries" studies. It is all the same. And it gets to be the easy way for the regulators to convince a positive vote on the dopiest thing. Everybody else is doing it. And there you have it. That is how A21 got into our GP.

Bill Tozer

Hmm. Bad place to ride bicycles. Share the road, ass wipes. Only in California!

http://www.theunion.com/news/20365809-113/coyotes-on-psychedlic-mushrooms-stare-down-and-attack

Bill Tozer

Hillary in an Orange Jumpsuit. Boy, everyone out there south of the frozen tundra and north of the orchids of Central America are getting impatient. Will Hillary be donning orange or not?. When? Are we there yet, are we there yet?? Calm down. Time will tell. Just like so many things in life, just wait and see how it pans out.

This impatient soul just could not wait any longer.

https://www.facebook.com/624301770922958/photos/a.624363324250136.1073741828.624301770922958/1153671717985958/?type=3&theater

jon smith

GR 1/28/9:23
"sign of desperation when the Left has to construct a 'war on bikes'"

Did some Lefty write this page on the Tea Party 911 website? The page title is: It is all about going on a "road diet". Under "Learn to identify the signs of Agenda 21 in your community" Bike paths seem to be a sure sign of impending doom. Sounds like a war on bikes to me under no uncertain terms.

http://www.teaparty911.com/issues/sustainable_development_agenda_21.htm

fish

Posted by: jon smith | 28 January 2016 at 01:06 PM

Actually jon it appears as though George (feel free to correct me if I'm incorrect George) left out a word from his sentence. If I had to guess that word would have been "narrative"......as in... when the Left has to construct a 'war on bikes' narrative in order to deny the existence of A21 and its impact on reorganizing American society?


Stretch yourself a bit.

George Rebane

fish 113pm - correctemundo Mr fish, and so updated. Thank you.

Gregory

For a little local quantification, I got 372 hits for the google search term ' ICLEI "Sierra Business Council" '

Agenda 21 isn't a conspiracy, it's just what all the smart people (you know, left-liberals who believe in reducing the carbon footprints of the proles so their fearless leaders can fly their jets to Davos) know needs to be done.

This is the peak year for AGW, make the most of it, "Jon"/Frisch. It's very probably downhill after the El Nino passes.

Gregory

The "war on bikes" narrative is just justification for trashing Strawsers' business because he's running against the annointed one... Heidi Hall. And it isn't because he's joined any "Agenda 21"-driven group... it's because he's gotten minor support from a group that has some members aligned with one or more Tea Party groups.

This is ugly and vindictive small town politics at work. The Pellines of this town not only want the non-left to lose, they want them to starve.

jon smith

Gregory-
You are absolutely correct, Agenda 21 isn't a conspiracy any more than cloud seeding or electro magnetic radiation being emitted by smart meters. The conspiracy comes to fruition by those who take small bits of truth and twist them into the specter of world domination, chem trail hysteria, or thought control via smart meters. Conspiracy theories invariably evolve from the fringe of both the far right and far left wing elements. I am an equal opportunity jouster when it comes to pricking the extremes of either wing. Rebane and Pelline are neither better or worse than one another, they are probably more alike in their extremism than they are different. That said, quite frankly MUCH of what goes on in these blogs is educational if not entertaining. I've learned a lot and have changed my mind about things by what has been addressed here. My guess is that, politics aside, I could sit down with anyone who contributes to this page and have a delightful evening over a few beers.

Russ Steele

jons@03:53PM

Yea, Beer Summit works for me. We may not agree, but beer and conversation are always a welcome start to understanding.

Walt

Reading through the above posts, It's beginning to appear that Mr. Smith is taking too much of his MMJ derivative. Being one who reads the news and anything politics, this little "war on bikes" is pure horse shit. Another "look over here!" distraction.
There have been, and always will be A-holes on two wheels. You know, like the Progressive idiots who intentionally tie up traffic in Frisco on an annual basis, because they hate cars.
If Smith wants to believe Agenda 21 is fiction, that's his fault for being ill informed.
As the saying goes. "You can lead a mule to water but good luck making him drink." So if he dies of thirst, it's his own damned problem.

Smith...You have a search tool in that magic box of a computer. Try using it.

I do hope that wild hog you bagged didn't eat out of that toxic waste dump on Beale.
You comments point to that probability.

George Rebane

jons 253pm - Mr smith, I venture that you can not attribute a single extreme view to me that is the sole provenance of the "far right elements" (i.e. can serve as a reliable litmus test to classify one as being of the 'far right'). This has been an oft repeated query over the years, and only crickets have been the respondents. Perhaps you can do better.

Or maybe you could start from the other end and explain away my view on the redistribution of wealth or legalization of drugs or ... .

Don Bessee

Speaking of distractions news.yahoo.com/drug-traffickers-seek-safe-haven-amid-legal-marijuana-091648611.html Is anyone surprised?;-)

Bill Tozer

Extreme? Now this is extreme, as well as being Hillary's worst nightmare.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GQNbIBjMvtQ

jon smith

GR 15:15
"Or maybe you could start from the other end and explain away my view on the redistribution of wealth or legalization of drugs or ... ." I think you are very reasonable and thoughtful on these views. Maybe it's only because I share them?

You hit a solid note with your reference to the "sole provenance of the "far right elements"" The far right and the far left are joined at the hip when it comes to conspiracy theories. The hysterical fear of vaccines, chem-trails, smart meters, Agenda 21, etc seem to be of equal concern to both camps.

Bill Tozer

Here is another example of extremism that is of concern to both camps. Except one camp is pleading for the other camp to be an honest broker and follow the law.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/01/28/300-scientists-want-noaa-to-stop-hiding-its-global-warming-data/

Gregory

jon smith 334

Except Agenda 21 really exists and is a big part of the UN global warming/climate change/sustainability focus. Unfortunately, the right doesn't understand that ranting about the UN makes it easy for the Left to make them look like neo John Birch Society conspiracy loons. It isn't a conspiracy, hidden in the shadows. It's out in the open. Like the IPCC.

Time is on the side of the Agenda 21 foes. The "sustainability" movement, based on unsustainable demands for private money and government debt, won't last in a financial decline and the absence of real warming driven by warming detected by satellite sensors designed to measure it. People in economic distress won't be cajoled into spending more for less energy and moving from middle class single family homes to high density housing.

Walt

Maybe this is what Mr. S read.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2010/11/tea-party-agenda-21-un-sustainable-development

NOW we know which cesspool it bubbled up from.

Try this Jon.
https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/outcomedocuments/agenda21

Or from Berkeley U of the net,,, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21

Wait till you move up North where the BIG push to implement "21" is all the rage.

Russ Steele

Gregory@04:30 Excellent well said!

George Rebane

jons 334pm - Does it not appear that you have joined the Collectivist Cricket Corps in not even acknowledging my 315pm request? It would conform to a modicum of civil decency if those who don't respond with evidence of my sole provenance of the "far right elements" (i.e. that can serve as a reliable litmus test to classify one as being of the 'far right'), that they then cease repeating their baseless charge.

PS. What conspiracy theories???

jon smith

GR 17:08-
Did you not understand my post of 15:34?

Your Q: you can not attribute a single extreme view to me that is the sole provenance of the "far right elements"
My A: The far right and the far left are joined at the hip when it comes to conspiracy theories

You have sole provenance over nothing that I can see. Antipodes to that of you which might want to believe, You and Reinette Senum are soul mates who share a belief system both far righty and lefty that I do not ascribe to.

George Rebane

jons 554pm - I'm afraid you've answered nothing by giving your generalizations about the far right and the far left. That was not the question.

One more time and then we'll let you go. You have done a version of the progressive sidestep, and neither given any evidence of MY 'far right' extreme views, nor have you answered my question about what conspiracy theories I as a specific individual hold. All you have done is mouth the usual liberal pabulum that fill these pages and passes for logic in your circles. A logic that could not follow a single well formed proposition to its concluding theorem (statement of derived truth), diagnose a disease from symptoms, write a working computer program, or design any functioning device useful to man.

jon smith

Your Q: you can not attribute a single extreme view to me that is the sole provenance of the "far right elements"

My answer: You are absolutly correct. Your views (Agenda 21 happens to be the topic) are shared by elements of the far left. You do NOT have "sole provenance" of said views and I never implied such. I have read and re-read Agenda 21 and your interpretation is just that, an interpretation. Despite what Tea Party publications espouse, the fact that bike paths and round abouts are appearing in our neighborhoods is not (in my opinion) suggestive of a new world order bringing America to a third world status. If you still consider this pretty specific point as a generalization, coversation is over because it is obvious you have "a mouth to speak but not an ear to listen" (as paraphrased from Ben Franklin).

Walt

Funny thing about "roundabouts". (How can LIBS even use them? Politically incorrect! ) Your FORCED to turn right.
Those who think for themselves only need to "look" Left to veer "Right".

As for bikes,, We had bike racks long before "21" ever was dreamed up. Bikes too.
Nice stretch to say the tea Party hates bikes, and bike racks.

Now Jon. We ALL are aware the Left's stance on guns. They HATE them! Yet YOU own some!
(see where I'm go'n with this?) Do your fellow leftists know you own them?
There is no denying the "agenda" LIBS have on guns. I don't see or hear anything of the sort where bikes are concerned. Maybe obeying the laws while peddling one's ass down the road.

George Rebane

re jons 643pm - Can any reader tell us how in hell do bike paths and roundabouts have anything to do with MY views? And there has never been any "interpretation" of A21 objectives. They are a published compendium that maps one-to-one with progressive initiatives at ALL levels of government. To make sure of that, we send our - yes, from Nevada County - government administrators to A21 ICLEI classes. There is no conspiracy whatsoever connected with achieving A21 objectives.

This attempted exchange was another illustration of the hopeless polarization in our country. When two sides do not even agree on the facts, then any attempt to reason from them is doomed from the start.

Bill Tozer

Jon Smith is painting himself as a pragmatic, if not a reasonable centralist. Fair enough, whether one agrees or disagrees with my characterization. I am more of a pragmatic when the rubber meets the road myself on a bunch of things. Kinda like a half loaf of bread is better than eating air.
This whole thing started with someone's comment about Mr. Nevada City Bike Shop's endorsement by the local contractors' group. That raised the ire of the Taxed Enough Already Party haters and boy o boy that group is hated by the Libbies. The whole idea of smaller government, living on a budget, living within your means, individual responsibility, limits of government, limits on government (gasp) and just plain ole "back off" is heresy to most of the libs. I get it. Then to the extremes and now it's friggin tricycle paths.

Yo, Walt, you were right about that snob pack of cyclists in PV. After writing how the cyclists give me the thumbs up, I remembered a time about 4 months ago in PV that I came across a pack of them in the morning and almost got flipped off by them just for driving down the road slowly in the opposite direction....their road, both lanes! I got looks of disdain. Yep, they probably get together after a ride and talk about idiot motorists and we go home and bitch about those a-hole cyclists, lol. Same with politics.
Geeze, ever since Carter I have heard volumes about the evil Trilateral Commission taking over the world. Probably true (at least maybe talking about taking over the world over some expensive brandy in those smoked filled private rooms in the back of some exclusive clubs).
Then it was the Masons, The New World Order, aka, Marxism, The Jesuits, the Rothchilds (always the Rothchilds), and now it's Agenda 21. But Agenda 21 has a paper trail, a how to manual, and you can see the agenda with your own eyeballs from stack and pack, renewables, to even wondering if it is ok to mention national borders.
My beef with Agenda 21 (besides putting America second) is that for the plan to work on paper, the world's population has to decrease 20% for the food, energy, and self sufficiency to pencil out. That is where my alarms and bells and whistles go off. It ain't about recycling, eating less beef, Round-d-Bouts, little girl's bike paths or real bicycle paths.. It's about taking orders from some hare brained multicultural no borders non American Commie telling us what we should be doing from dysfunctional Europe.

So yeah, hate on the Tea Party and especially those neanderthals who reach into their pockets and pull out pocket sized copies of The US Constitution. Makes the Agenda 21ers roll their eyes, lol. And yeah, chanting USA!, USA!, USA!, is so Ozzie and Harriet, not to mention the real meaning of the chant: White Power, ignorance, and a whole slew of phobias.
Me thinks the Tea Party Supporters and the Agenda 21 supporters have difficulty with cohabitation.

Don Bessee

Dr. R, the 'jons' of the world are just gaming it and decline to have the conversations you want to engage. ;-)

Bill Tozer

O
http://patriotpost.us/cartoons/22885
Hey, the Greenie plans are showing results! Oh ye of little faith.

http://patriotpost.us/posts/40319

Hillary in an orange jumpsuit? Don't know. But what started off as rumors buried deep in the news has now turned into open floodgates on page one (below the fold).

https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/785452098255496/?type=3&theater

fish

Oh Bill.....this can't be good for our gal!



"SOME CLINTON EMAILS 'TOO DAMAGING' TO RELEASE
OBAMA ADMIN CONFIRMS"


At least she got a Ben and Jerrys flavor out of the deal......"Orange Pantsuit e-mail Crunch".....there's that.

George Rebane

Re fish 1258pm - The woman clearly belongs in jail awaiting trial, instead she is out on the hustings BSing her gruberized constituents that this whole thing is a vast rightwing conspiracy. We anxiously await Comey's findings.

But let me offer the following thought. Perhaps she should not be taken off the street after Comey delivers his stack to the DoJ. Let the scandal continue to simmer as Team Obama decides what Loretta Lynch will say (i.e. prevaricate) on the Sunday circuit. She will then definitely be campaigning as damaged goods for the Democrats who will be scrambling to put Plan B into operation. In the meantime more and more undecideds will be migrating toward the Republican side. Add to that some timely resignations from the FBI, and we'll have a real show for the voters as the truth develops that the Dems tried to foist a nasty, lying, selfish, hubristic felon on the country as its presidential candidate.

fish

Posted by: George Rebane | 29 January 2016 at 01:57 PM

Any which way we win.....she is indicted and and we get to bask in the warm glow of schadenfreude....she survives, manages to eke out a win but is so weakened that she's ineffectual and enjoys a completely useless single term. Plus she gets to weather and take blame (as a prominent member of the previous administration) for the recession that ought to be arriving in full force right about inauguration time.

Fun times indeed!

George Rebane

fish 226pm - You're a hard man Mr fish ;-)

Bill Tozer

Speaking of Orange Juice.....

What many do not understand is that MOTIVE in handling top top secret stuff is not even a consideration under the Espionage Act. Negleance does not include any alibisas as a defense, zero. And blame will not work either. And the material does not even need to be marked as her training in handling documents require her to recognize classified Intel. That is just the beginning.
Figured the FBI is making this a iron clad case 7 ways to Sunday. There are way too many former Intel pros writing about this so nonchalantly and in a monotone matter of fact manner that nobody is giving Our Gal even the benefit of the doubt.
The Clinton playbook has always used plausible deniability as the escape clause, but even plausible deniability won't work. They are out of trick plays. This has gone to from 4th and 20 to 4th and 99 with no time on the clock being down by 9.

Now, what Loretta will do is the 20 billion dollar question. Hell of a lot more at stake for O, the Globalists, and The Establishment Party than just Hillary. A possible landscape changer.

I actually feel sorry for Huma. Married to both Hillary and Anthony Weiner at the same time.. There is only so much disgrace and humiliation that one can take. She will do some time..possibly a few years. No argument. Maybe she can do the Muslim daughter of Iranian immigrant defense thang or maybe.....hell, she is going down. Those e-mails she exchanged with a security techie at State had me doing some head scratching. The dude was telling her (Huma) when Hillary was having some problems with her Blackberry he would set her up with a State issued Blackberry. It was secure but subject to FOIA requests. Huma replied "that does not make sense". The confused State security repeated it in the e-mail response and again Huma repeated "that does not make sense."

Walt

Hillary in trouble? Not according to the "O" and Co. The White House has left that to the DOJ.. Who at the DOJ is a minion of "O"? You guessed it boys and girls,, Loretta Lynch.
And the W.H. said today that Hillary is in "no danger of prosecution".
LIBS don't go to jail. Especially a Clinton.

Walt

I forgot. Some people need proof.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/article/2000828/

Bill Tozer

Walt, Ok, nothing to see here. I do like Josh using that months old quote that Hillary is not the target of investigation by the FBI, just her aides. Yes, that was true..... Many months ago. Both Hillary's campaign and the pundits have repeated that over and over.....months ago, lol. So, yeah, tis true, tis true!
I am learning to decipher political speech.

Bill Tozer

Excuse my indulgence. This goes in the Sandbox, but I liked it so much that I am sticking it here. Finally a good article about campaign strategies, about Hillary without any dirt, scandals, e-mails, or slant. No slamming, no praising. Might explain why O may prefer Clinton over the others, chiefly due to what O learned himself after 2008.
Again, it's off topic but it appears objective.. This is her argument to be President, and it does make sense. But, this is not an year where convential wisdom and pragmatism (I am pragmatic on many issues)... er....not a year for convential wisdom so far.

http://www.vox.com/2016/1/28/10858464/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-political-realism

Walt

Poor Gen. Petraeus. he got slammed for PLENTY less, and now some LIB judge wants to stick it to him some more. Yet Hillary is to get off scot free for worse on a wholesale level.
Oh.. What am I bitching about? The Gen. was a Righty, and not a LIB.. Nevermind.....

Bill Tozer

Walt, I feel your frustration. Trump is right when he keeps saying Gen. Petraeus has been slammed enough already and his life already ruined. Now it looks like they are piling on.
We all are getting frustrated by the slow moving train wreck of what will be left of Hillary Rodham Clinton. Seems at times justice will not be served. She might even skate. We all need to take a deep breath. We need to stand at ease and light em if you got em.. The wheels of Justice turn slowly.

Patience, Walt, patience. We are not even close to Super Tuesday yet, not to mention June.. Let her get her hopes up and think she will pull this off. Them BOOM. Revenge is a dish best served cold.

Besides, I have already got what I wanted. I wanted this to be brought out in the open. That goal has been achieved, good buddy. It's all over the news and Left, Right, Tweeners, inside gov't, outside gov't, the MSM are all discussing it in the open. No longer behind closed doors. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
Now, we just sit back and go fishing or fire up the smoker. It's out of our hands. In addition, I want Trump to take her or Bernie down on their own merit. A straight up toe to toe bare fisted brawl to win the hearts and minds of the majority of the American legal voters. EMailgate is just icing, but not the cake. Stand back and let the Libbies trash her first, then unchain The Donald to finish the job. Miles to go before we can rest comfortably, Mr. Walt, miles to go. Expect some setbacks, some dark days ahead, but keep your eyes on the prize. Keep your eyes on the prize......

First up is the Far Left. Then it will be our turn.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ralph-nader/hillarys-corporate-democr_b_9116450.html?

Bill Tozer

Yo Walt, this should cheer you up. Read the FB comments at the bottom. Always darkest before the dawn.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/three-days-before-caucus-hillary-clinton-stumps-to-half-empty-room-in-dubuque-iowa/

Bill Tozer

Night night.

http://www.theonion.com/article/retreating-clinton-campaign-torches-iowa-town-slow-52261?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=LinkPreview:1:Default

fish

Because....muh......science!


"FEDS HAND OUT BILLIONS FOR RESEARCH THAT MAY BE BASED ON PLAGIARISM, FAKE DATA: Now, isn’t that reassuring! Allison Lerner is the inspector general at the National Science Foundation. She and her small team of investigators and auditors have been warning for a long time that hundreds of funding proposals submitted to NSF contain plagiarized passages and/or made-up data. The Daily Caller News Foundation Investigative Group’s Ethan Barton was told by a senior NSF official that it’s impossible to know if grant recipients actually spend the funds as promised. Maybe it’s time somebody in Congress or at the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue listened to Lerner?"


Yeah.....but all that climate change "data"......I'm sure that's completely pristine.


http://dailycaller.com/2016/01/29/national-science-foundation-fabricated-data/

Bill Tozer

Z
https://www.facebook.com/192960330895646/photos/o.235086849974878/462459983945678/?type=3&theater

Bill Tozer

Yo Walt:

https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/786000918200614/?type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/785984351535604/?type=3&theater

Walt

Nice finds Bill. I would like to see the winner of the dice game who get's "first crack"
at "big Marge".
But she will go to Club FED, and not to Leavenworth where she really belongs.(if at all)

Bill Tozer

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http://nypost.com/2016/01/31/this-was-all-planned-former-ig-says-hillary-state-dept-are-lying/

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