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19 October 2016

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fish

Tonight we are having debate night with friends at Casa Rebane. A big fire in the fireplace, hot pizza and crisp salad, with freshly baked apple pie. And all washed down with appropriate amounts of martoonis and other libations to satisfy the anticipated need for analgesics and anesthesia. Hope you all are also fortifying yourselves for a night to remember. More after we recover whatever wits remain after the debate.


But playoff baseball is on.......

Bill Tozer

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/obama-signs-executive-order-requiring-loser-of-presidential-election-to-leave-country?ref=yfp

George Boardman

I'm watching the Cubs-Dodgers game. I'll let the pundits explain it to me later.

Walt

Make it fun Doc.,, every time a known lie is told, take a shot. Everyone should be hammered before Hillary finishes her opening remarks.

Walt

Good find Bill. The NC Scooper should have thought of that one. BTW. We stopped work a little early today just so we wouldn't disturb you when you got home. Backhoe teeth on those rocks near you are downright bone chilling.

Bill Tozer

Yep, time to lighten up for a few hours. 2016 is sure a doozie. I love this underlying tension that builds and builds like a steamy movie scene...or a cyst. Oh, the drama.

https://patriotpost.us/posts/45443

https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/936658283134876/?type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/426883867374699/photos/a.539274122802339.1073741824.426883867374699/1026268820769531/?type=3&theater

Gregory

Paul Emery, I don't bet on things as weird as presidential elections, but if I did, I'd insist on odds at least as good as i'd get from a bookie.

I must note you're the one who has insisted it was all over.multiple times and kept proposing bets way in your favor... my expectation is that it is much closer than the Paul Emerys have been insisting.

Propose a bet at Silver's current odds. You're the one who thinks he's the world's foremost authority... so

Walt

Paul betting on a liar and a cheat to win? How come I'm not surprised???

Bill Tozer

Blow by blow: Live streamed the debate, listened a bit, and fell asleep. Work up, listened a bit, went outside for awhile, listened a bit, took a shower, then caught the end. Sounded like Wallace kept things from getting out of hand.

I saw an egomaniac debate a money changer in the temple. The national mental health shrinks are telling folks to turn off tv, walk away from social media (without unfriending people) and do yoga or something. After all, they say, our country will survive. Well, I am not so sure it will. Maybe that is why they call it Practicing Medicine.

Tomorrow Gloria Allred is parading another woman up in from from of the cameras from some fancy hotel. Guess we better enjoy a rare 8 hour break. Tomorrow starts up where we left off.

The first question about abortion set the tone. Both took positions that were not in the nuanced place where most Americans are, so I guess both were playing to their bases and shoring up the base first and foremost. Never the twain shall meet. Nobody moved the needle. Hillary did not collaspe in a fainting spell on live TV and Trump did not blow it totally. 19 days to go. Oh goodie.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=333938620306617&set=p.333938620306617&type=3&theater

fish

Couple weeks ago "Matlock" was voting for Johnson.....then there was a switch to Hillary......lets see if we can flip him back to Johnson.


"While Hillary Clinton has spent the presidential campaign saying as little as possible about her ties to Wall Street, the executive who some observers say could be her Treasury Secretary has been openly promoting a plan to give financial firms control of hundreds of billions of dollars in retirement savings. The executive is Tony James, president of the Blackstone Group.

It is a plan that proponents say could help millions of Americans — but could also enrich another constituency: the hedge fund and private equity industries that Blackstone dominates and that have donated millions to support Clinton’s presidential bid.

The proposal would require workers and employers to put a percentage of payroll into individual retirement accounts “to be invested well in pooled plans run by professional investment managers,” as James put it. In other words, individual voluntary 401(k)s would be replaced by a single national system, and much of the mandated savings would flow to Wall Street, where companies like Blackstone could earn big fees off the assets. And because of a gap in federal anti-corruption rules, there would be little to prevent the biggest investment contracts from being awarded to the biggest presidential campaign donors.


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-20/billionaire-clinton-hillblazer-pushes-new-tax-funnels-middle-class-money-wall-street


Hillblazer indeed......

fish

Of course with this out there pulling Paul back to his libertarian roots might be difficult.


http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/301780-madonna-pledges-oral-sex-for-clinton-voters

fish

Remember when not accepting the results of an election was the patriotic thing to do.....


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-20/morning-after-what-all-newspapers-are-leading-after-last-nights-debate

fish

Every four years they republicans elect "literally Hitler", four years after that previous Hitler is tarted up as the good guy......"why couldn't you run a guy like this who the left could consider liking"?


"He is the worst major-party candidate in history.

He’s a gaffe machine. He’s an evil racist who wants to return black people to slavery.

He’s a brutal sexist who wants to return women to the subservience of the 1950s.

He’s a nasty warmonger who doesn’t get the fundamental intricacies of modern foreign policy, with the Manichean worldview to match. He’s an old homophobe with a history of cruelty to workers.

Think we’re talking about Donald Trump?

No, we’re talking about Mitt Romney circa 2012. That’s how the media painted one of the most honorable men ever to run for the White House, the creator of Romneycare, a northeastern Republican with a penchant for compromise and negotiation. Mitt Romney, the left claimed, was no John McCain — that halcyon of moderation and decency.

Now, of course, the media tells us that Donald Trump is a massive departure from the legacy of John McCain and Mitt Romney. He’s beyond the pale! He panders to racists! He’s a vicious sexist and sexual assaulter! He’s uninformed, unstable, ignorant, stupid! Why, compared to Mitt Romney, the man’s a monster!

Much of this may be true in a way it simply wasn’t about Romney. But by 2020, Donald Trump will be the new standard of civility and decency according to the Left.



Hah!

Bill Tozer

Perfect response Donald. Perfect:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/donald-trump-accept-election-230098

That is The Trump connection to his voters that few pundits understand. Nor ever will. Well, they keep misreading the populace votes that brought us both Bernie Sanders and Trump in the same year. Go figure, lol.

I was going to say a better answer to the "Call for Civil War, Part 2" would have been along the lines of "Look, everybody in this room knows they already rigged the election against Bernie. The head of the DNC had to leave in the middle of the Democrat Convention. Of course I will accept the election results if there is no funny business going on. I sure don't trust this sleazy bunch judging by the clips of people on Hillary's payroll plotting massive voter fraud." Reference to O'Keefe's second video detailing how to get around using buses (red flags) by using 3rd Party owned vehicles. And if a reporter spots some monkey business, who cares? Who cares, lol.

But, I forgot Trump is not a politican and he ain't going to tell the enemy what he is going to do. Good businessman answer.

Got thinking about Trump's first's answer. Not abortion per se, but saying the issue if overturned would be automatically sent back to the States per that's how it works. Boy, the Constitutionalists who have been screaming hourly for months about Trump not a true Conservative are tickled pink he may be a Federalist. They think that was the greatest thing since sliced bread, albeit they still don't like him but will vote for him solely because the alternative is worse. They didn't care much about the keep ya in suspense comment, lol.

Todd Juvinall

With the hysteria on the left and in the media it is in my view because the game is in uncertain territory.

Bill Tozer

Exactamundo Todd. The sound of exploding heads is always a good sign.

More on the debate:

https://www.facebook.com/UncleSamsMisguidedChildren.Net/photos/a.169953786533962.1073741830.169676909894983/569972779865392/?type=3&theater

I even learned something last night. The Left is still reaching back to the ole "Its for the children" line when nothing else works. Don't think the Heller decision had anything to do with Hillary's answer.

https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/937416729725698/?type=3&theater

Todd Juvinall

And look how Hillary spun her "open borders" BS. Of course it was on immigration of people but she said it was for energy. I mean, the media buys it! And if the people buy it we truly are one stupid ass group.

Paul Emery

Todd

Hillary is a good spinner but Trump is much better. Check out his denial of encouraging Nukes for Japan and South Korea when he is on record with Chris Wallace of all people as saying :

" DONALD TRUMP: So, North Korea has nukes. Japan has a problem with that. I mean, they have a big problem with that. Maybe they would in fact be better off if they defend themselves from North Korea.”

CHRIS WALLACE: With nukes?

DONALD TRUMP: Including with nukes, yes, including with nukes.

Last night h e denied saying that. Wallace went easy on him for sure.

Anyway this election is over. Within three of four dayw the parting out of the Republican Party will begin leaving him to "twist slowly in the wind" , a quote from the Watergate days.

Paul Emery

link

https://usuncut.com/politics/trump-claims-clinton-invented-statement-made-debate-moderator/

George Boardman

You might as well include the Republican National Committee in the cabal to defeat Trump because they are distancing themselves from claims the election is rigged.

Trump has not offered one bit of evidence to support his wild claims. He's just creating excuses for the beating his massive ego is going to take Nov. 8.

Paul Emery

George B

They (Republican National Committee} are part of it for sure. They represent the same "establishment" that Hillary bows to. TPP is the proof in the pudding. Most Repubs were for it just a short year ago in the Senate and Trump in no way represents their views. Almost the entire GOP Senate voted for Fast Track with only 3 opposing. Check out the votes here:

http://www.againstcronycapitalism.org/2015/06/so-who-voted-for-tpp-fast-track-in-the-senate-list/

Paul Emery

In the House tyhe vote was 219-219. Only 29 Dems joined the majority the rest being Repubs. So it's obvious that TPP is mostly a Republican supported mesdure however Obama is a big supporter as well. Trump opposing TPP puts him, in direct conflict with the vast majority of Congressional Republicans. No wonder they want to dump him This is big stuff.

http://gmoinside.org/how_reps_voted_on_fast_track/

Paul Emery

George Rebane

this election is going to be such a rout that any alleged voter fraud would have to be huge to mount a protest. Gore just requested a recount in a very close Florida election and graciously accepted defeat after he lost the recounbt. thjis is what he said:

"Good evening. Just moments ago I spoke with George W. Bush and congratulated him on becoming the 43rd president of the United States.........
Now the political struggle is over and we turn again to the unending struggle for the common good of all Americans and for those multitudes around the world who look to us for leadership in the cause of freedom.

In the words of our great hymn, ''America, America,'' let us crown thy good with brotherhood from sea to shining sea.

And now, my friends, in a phrase I once addressed to others, it's time for me to go. Thank you and good night and God bless America. "

http://www.nytimes.com/2000/12/14/us/43rd-president-his-remarks-gore-says-he-will-help-bush-bring-american-together.html

Bill Tozer

You guys still don't get it. The day Trump said his first words after he jumped in the race, some of us took off our Republican uniforms and folded them up neatly and put them in the footlocker. Then we pulled out the headdress and put the war paint on. After a couplef more weeks or so, we can put the headdress away in the trophy case until needed.

There is no Republican Party to go back to. No regrouping. If Trump fails, another will take his place next time and the time after that. Priebes (or whatever the RNC chair is called) has saved his own neck by doing his job lately. Always good to leave a remnant to tell the story to their grandchildren.. We got to clean out our side of the street first, but the pow wow council said to scalp Hillary, then come back to finish taking the garbage out. Whoever said the war plan goes out the window after the first skirmish knew what he was talking about. Many rats to smoke out. The ones who do not speak with forked tongue will be granted safe passage. They can fly under the flag of truce if they wish to leave before winter.

Then, you over there will have our undivided attention. As a peace offering (after much smoking on the peace pipe), an elder had a vision. We will make Gary Johnson head of The Department of Interior or Education. Trump has agreed that this is a wise thing to do. Those of the darkened heart will be taken out along with the rest of the vermin. They are many, but have grown slow, lazy, and overfed.

Best for you over there is sleep with one eye open. Sweet dreamies.

Paul Emery

I agree Bill Trump and the Trumpettes are in this for the duration.

After the election with Hillary easily winning and the Dems likely taking the Senate the parting out of thje Republican party will begin. Trump will hold court over his loyalists and split the party and become a Folk Hero of the right much like Tim Robbins in the 1994 film Bob Roberts about the Conservative folksinger who ran for Senate of Pennyslvania .

Paul Emery

Here's a you tube of the Bob Roberts trailer. Check it out ant you'll see what I mean.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2uWcukaSpg

Walt

The Repub party is not what it used to be. it went LIB lite a long time ago.
Nope,, this is not my Father's GOP. I know. I was there when it was.

The GOP forgets who put them in their respective offices. We put them there, we can take them out. Hence the rise of the Tea Party, and now Trump.

George Rebane

PaulE 416pm - your point eludes me.

Bill Tozer

Yo Paul, it's true, it's true.....and so much more.

http://southpark.cc.com/clips/jzkgqp/roll-the-tape | via @ComedyCentral App

Bill Tozer

Darn. I forgot about the Fairness Doctrine. Biggum mea culpa.

http://southpark.cc.com/clips/2sq7ys/my-opponent-is-a-liar-and-cannot-be-trusted | via @ComedyCentral App

Paul Emery

George

It's my personal prediction of what will likely happen in the near future. I'll repeat my soothsaying screed.

After the election with Hillary easily winning and the Dems likely taking the Senate the parting out of thje Republican party will begin. Trump will hold court over his loyalists and split the party and become a Folk Hero of the right much like Tim Robbins in the 1994 film Bob Roberts about the Conservative folksinger who ran for Senate of Pennyslvania .

That's how I see it.

Bill Tozer

Paul, you might be right. That Trump keeps violating established protocol. Has he no shame? Is there nothing sacred the scoundrel will not defile? Bad Trump, bad! No Trump, don't go there. Crap, he went there. Make him stop, o make him stop......

"When the audience booed at that line, Trump said, "That's OK, I don't know who they're angry at, Hillary, you or I. For example, here she is tonight, in public, pretending not to hate Catholics"

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/20/politics/al-smith-dinner-hillary-clinton-donald-tump/

George Boardman

Regarding Tozer's 7:29:

Would that be the same Donald Trump who once mocked Holy Communion by describing it as having "my little cracker?" Now there's a class act.

Don Bessee

Yo Boardman, I think I will stand with Cardinal Dolan who was seated between Trump and madam liar liar pantsuits on fire at the Al Smith dinner tonight. He said that if it had been said about the Jewish community, if it had been said about the islamic community, within 10 minutes there would have been an apology and a complete distancing from those remarks- hasn't happen yet."
A hater is a hater even if its a democrat.

John

I find it interesting that Paul Emery, and to a lesser extent, George Boardman are really focused on Donald Trump's flaws but seemingly oblivious to the flaws in Hillary Clinton, who appears to be by a wide margin, the most corrupt candidate to ever run for national office. I find myself wondering if they are blind, accepting, or embracing of the steady stream of scandals surrounding her that are unveiled almost daily, yet all they do is talk about Trump? Does any of what we hear about her bother you? Or is it just more of the "vast right wing conspiracy"?

Todd Juvinall

John libs stick together no matter what. If Hillary was a serial killer they would still say better things about her than a devout Republican. And for libs who hate religion it always cracks me up they use religious icons to belittle.

Russ Steele

Hey Paul, here is a little reality check:

IS THIS AN OUTLIER? – AT 9:25 A.M. ET: We refer to the IBD/TIPP poll, which had the best record of accuracy in the 2012 presidential race. From IBD:

Donald Trump held onto his 1-point lead over Hillary Clinton in the second day of the IBD/TIPP presidential tracking poll — 41% to 40%. Libertarian Gary Johnson and the Green Part's Jill Stein remain far behind at 7% and 5%, respectively.

In a two-way matchup, Clinton continues to hold a three-point lead over Trump — 43% to 41%. The poll included 779 likely voters, giving it a margin of error of +/- 3.6 percentage points.

The second day's results of the IBD/TIPP poll don't reflect any impact of the spirited presidential debate Wednesday night, which covered a wide range of issues, from the Supreme Court, to abortion, to ISIS, to economic policy and entitlement reform.

During the debate, Clinton repeatedly struggled to defend her policy positions and the Clinton Foundation scandal against sharp questioning from moderator Chris Wallace. When asked, for example, about conflicts of interest involving the foundation while she was Secretary of State, Clinton tried to turn the focus on what she described were the strengths of the nonprofit.

Rasmussen also defies the predictions of most of the polls:

It’s too early to measure the impact of last night’s final presidential debate, but Republican Donald Trump now has a three-point lead nationally on Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online White House Watch survey finds Trump with 43% support among Likely U.S. Voters to Clinton’s 40%. Six percent (6%) still prefer Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson, and three percent (3%) favor Green Party nominee Jill Stein. Another three percent (3%) like some other candidate, and six percent (6%) are undecided.

Ditto the Los Angeles Times poll, which has consistently put Trump ahead. Are these simply outliers, the polls that we'll look to in the future as having been terribly wrong, or are they finding things the others aren't? We won't know until the election is over, but the cold fact remains that the RealClearPolitics average of polls puts Clinton 6.4 points ahead.

That said, reading the Wikileaks emails from Podesta, it appears some of the polls are democratic driven to shape the public view that Hillary is winning, and everyone wants to vote for a winner, Right?

More here: urgentagenda.com

Bill Tozer

@8:58 pm, 10/20/16

Well, we already had a Sunday School teacher as POTUS. Now that was a class act. Didn't turn out too well for the country, but he gave us The Misery Index in a classy way.

Ever get that wafer stuck to the roof of your mouth? Neither have I, but plenty of Catholic friends have told me about the experience. Akin to eating a bowl of Captain Crunch with no milk.

Polly wants a cracker....NOW. Hey, I a voting for POTUS, not a Sunday School teacher or a hater that attacks the Little Sisters Society of Helping Blind Orphans.. Now that is real classy, is it not?

Bill Tozer

Re: Setting the Record Straight.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/10/20/okeefe-woman-backtracks-assault-claim-project-veritas-video/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social

Nothing to see here.

https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/935805899886781/?type=3&theater

Final thoughts: why don't we all agree to have the election today and get this over with. Election fatigue has set in......if we held the election today before the wag the dog Is scheduled, we won't have to go to war with Russia. It's for the children.

George Boardman

Re Bessee Oct. 20 at 9:11 p.m.:

Unlike you, I get the ironic humor intended in the email that purports to show Clinton hates Catholics and evangelicals.

If you are a conservative Christian and place a high value on propriety, Catholic is the way to go. Otherwise, you run the risk of being confused with that minority of evangelicals who speak in tongues and wrestle with snakes.

Re John Oct. 20 at 89:31 p.m.:

I keep hearing all these claims that Hillary is crooked and dishonest, to which I reply: Where's the beef?

As the attorney generals in California and other states have shown, you don't need the feds to lead the way. If you can establish any link to your state, you can bring civil or criminal charges against any individual or group in the country.

Most of the attorneys general in this country are Republicans, but not one of them has brought charges against Clinton. Maybe there's no there there.

Re Russ' Oct. 21 at 3:38 a.m.:

I've been wondering where he was. I figured he was either putting the finishing touches on his bunker or searching for the elusive October surprise, only to see him surface with a poll that shows his guy in front.

This comes after he cited several notoriously inaccurate online polls to "prove" Trump won the second debate. Russ doesn't seem to care where the numbers come from as long as they validate what he wants to believe.

jon smith

Russ 21/Oct/Ambien thirty.

Just as you frequently cherry pick and post misleading numbers regarding climate change, you continue to do so with your cherry picked polls of folks who will vote Trump.

You conveniently forget to put your poll numbers into context. Look at a map of the electoral college. It matters not one whit that bigly numbers of voters in Mississippi and Alabama are going to vote Trump when huge electoral college states such as Washington, Oregon, California, Michigan, New York, etc. etc are solidly in the HRC camp. The polls you trot out are meaningless when put into context of the real world of the electoral college.

Go find a mainstream poll tallied per the electoral college and name us one that finds Trump a winner.

Todd Juvinall

Boardman and fellow liberals in the press and elsewhere always protect their ilk to the nth degree. But if it is a Republican, uh oh, Katy bar the door. That is why we have the divide in America. The left sees nothing when it is their ilk, the right does. Just like Donna Brazil the other night claimed Megan Kelly was persecuting her when she would not admit she got the question for Hillary before the debate. That exchange is why most Americans hate the media. Liars and biased and trying to tell us we did not see or read what we saw.

Todd Juvinall

And furthermore,
Remember when the democrats were apoplectic when Trump said he could shoot someone on Main Street and get away with it? Of course it was humor but that is the way sourpuss liberals react. Now Trump says he will not give up his right to protest a vote which is totally smart. Al Gore sued after his numerous recounts showed he lost in 2000 to Bush. And Gore only wanted recounts in the counties he WON! The SCOTUS finally said this mining for votes was unconstitutional unless the whole state was recounted. So Gore conceded after 38 days.

Now we see the thuggery we on the right always knew the democrats were doing. The latest undercover videos exposing the democrat brownshirts admitting their strategies and successes in disrupting Trump rallies has gone viral. These democrat thugs also admit they are going to disrupt the voting and will commit voter fraud to get Hillary elected. These thugs also indicate that she knows about all this. No "plausible deniability" here.

So we have a true outsider to politics and the system everyone says they hate and want to change. And what happens? The establishment on both sides is doing their best to destroy Trump personally as well as the corrupt media. Sure he is brash and a big mouth but look at his opposition. He has done nothing to disrupt a Hillary rally. He has done nothing to her except expose the truth about her and her followers.

Is this what we want in America? Do we want to maintain the status quo? Or change. Remember the Executive is in charge of five million employees. And they will do what he or she wants. Just look at Obama and his coverup of Hillary's felonies on the classified emails. So get your sorry asses to the polls and change America's direction from disaster. Vote Trump.

Don Bessee

Seems Boardman is cherry picking that line, what about the rest of it? Ironic humor was hardly the intent. So as I said I will stand with the Cardinal on this one, he is right in what he said. The team of bloodless ghouls that run the Clinton campaign mean what they are saying. So save the revisionist spin there GB.

Gregory

The two most accurate polls in 2012 have Trump up one or two percent today.

The polls used for the electoral projections touted by 538 and RCP have Clinton up by a high single digit.

Houston, we have a problem.

Regarding poking Catholics with a stick, the best job of that was done by nice Jewish boy who was chased out of the math departments of Harvard and MIT for songs that piss people off:

First you get down on your knees,
Fiddle with your rosaries,
Bow your head with great respect,
And genuflect, genuflect, genuflect!

Do whatever steps you want, if
You have cleared them with the pontiff.
Everybody say his own
Kyrie eleison,
Doin' the vatican rag.

Get in line in that processional,
Step into that small confessional,
There, the guy who's got religion'll
Tell you if your sin's original.
If it is, try playin' it safer,
Drink the wine and chew the wafer,
Two, four, six, eight,
Time to transubstantiate!

So get down upon your knees,
Fiddle with your rosaries,
Bow your head with great respect,
And genuflect, genuflect, genuflect!

Make a cross on your abdomen,
When in rome do like a roman,
Ave maria,
Gee it's good to see ya,
Gettin' ecstatic an'
Sorta dramatic an'
Doin' the vatican rag!

The best advice for Paul is ancient... Don't count your chickens until the eggs hatch.

Gregory

"jon smith" 10:17AM

The two cherrypicked polls that have Trump up one or two percent are the polls that got the 2012 Obama victory right, within about a half percent of the final count. The others mostly had Romney walking away with it.

Regarding cherrypicked climate data, what you apparently miss about the scientific method, (altogether now) it doesn't matter how smart you are or how beautiful your theory is. If it doesn't agree with experiment, the theory is wrong.

It doesn't matter if there are a lot of other experiments that don't contradict the theory, and it isn't "cherrypicking" to focus on the failures; it's the scientific method at work.

John

Boardman 10/21 9:57. Thanks. That puts you firmly in the blind category regarding the integrity of HRC. I wonder if that explains Paul Emery's thought process as well?

Paul Emery

OK Gregory don't count your chickens until the eggs hatch Good advice right now Hillary has twice the number of eggs that Trump has so odds are more chickens will come out of those eggs

Bill Tozer

Well Paul, comfort yourself all you want. See you have been partaking of the opiate of the masses. No one begrudges you alittle relief from the the deep rooted call for change. That feeling of impending doom is there, isn't it? You can since it. But, you are correct. It's not logical. I works out for Hillary on the blackboard drawing in the office. Comfort yourself, Paul. Election is not today....bet you knew that.

Bill Tozer
Mr. Boardman @ 9:57am.

Unlike you, I know more about Church history than any reader on these boards. I say that confidently as it has been a passion of mine since around 1973. Historical view from 300 BC to about 1923. My journey has taken me from the bowels of the off limits (for certain eyes only) Gonzaga University Library with its extensive and exhaustive collection of Catholic and religious archives, second to none anywhere in the world outside the Vatican. Full disclosure: I am not a Catholic nor ever have been one, for whatever it's worth. I read books hand written by monks from the 4 corners of the globe 13 centuries old.
One particular interest to me was the period around Calvin and pre Revolutionary War in the Colonies where great revivals were going on and packed the streets for blocks in every direction to hear preachers stand on crates. A young Ben Franklin observed the phenonium it its prime and probably never saw anything like it again, but I digress. Another period of religious (spiritual upheaval) was shortly after the "turn of the century" 1900's that brought forth the Pentecostal movement. My studies revealed many things and answered the questions to what brought this or that group to the forefront...what was the catalyst, and the relationships (if any) of great spiritual awakenings/revivals\upheavels of the status quo prior to revolutions and great events/changes in governments/nations.. The answers are off topic.

Thus, Mr. Boardman, I can tell you that groups who speak in tongues do not wrestle snakes. They charm snakes. Lol. No, poisonous snakes have been used to bite the faithfull and then demonstrate the power of the Great Spirit to immediately heal if one believes. These events were mostly confined to traveling road shows by unaffiliated faith healers akin to a small family owned traveling circus. A handful still exist in 2016.
However, there are some amazing accounts of "miracles". But others in that period than flourished in the dust bowl era were not too different from today's snake oil salesmen found pushing miracle natural remedies on the web or selling man made global warming cures.

Point is they are some small sects out there that kiss snakes, handle snakes, hold up snakes over their heads, put their hands into a snake cage, but none wrestle snakes. Perhaps you are confusing closed secret sects of African/Tobaggo/Caribbean/Catholicism blends found in parts of NE South America and down in the bayou southwest of New Orleans. There are lots of things found in the bayou at night. Boo! You probably confused chanting with speaking in tongues, but they do wrestle snakes out of the brackish waters to make their potions in some places.

Bill Tozer

Oh Boardman, your bias against Southern conservative Evangelicals who wrestile snakes is showing again. Ok, we are deplorable here, no doubt about it. Rednecks and all strictly religious folks. But, the real and only threat to gays in the US are Islamic immigrants. Notice the unprecedented security at the West Hollywood Gay Pride parade this year? Off the charts. Security's fear wasn't the bitter Bible Thumper gun tootin' white male rednecks. Sure, there is always a crazy in every crowd, but LE as protecting our gay community from our Islamic residents. Go figure. The real rape culture is not on our campuses. It's in Sweden, Germany, and coming to a gated community near you.. An omen. Storm clouds gathering.

Immigration is the number one issue this year in some polling, but I never take that as the gossip truth. Another issue that the pro life and pro rights groups agree on across the board is late term abortions are generally indefensible and a no-no, with two exceptions. But, it's all them Deplorables out of touch with the pulse of Nation that are the real threat, eh? I be Irrdeemable and the basket gets bigger by the day. Come to The Light.

Todd Juvinall

Rasmussen and Investors polls have Trump up. And the lamestreams say these polls and the USC one are "outliers" Golly I am so glad they get to call them what they want. So special.

Bill Tozer

Who knows? Either Hillary is going to slaughter it, or it will be a nail biter. Here is Pat Cadell. I like him solely because he digs down deep for underlying sentiments in the populace, not necessarily just asking who you are going to vote for. The underlining issues are still there. That's my opinion, not necessarily anybody else's.

Here is Pat's Readers Digest version. If you listen to the audio, he expounds on it a little bit at the end after the cuts of last night's Catholic Roast. If not, , bottomline is Pat will know more next week when his data comes back. No predictions.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/10/21/pat-caddell-polling-is-all-over-the-place-shock-potential-is-enormous/

Todd Juvinall

Looks like the polls are tightening up and in some cases Trump is ahead. If you read the underlying poll breakdowns you will see they are weighted heavily towrds democrats in the case of Hillary's leads. And the pollsters add a huge indie number that is not true in the general voting population. This leads me to believe the jig is up and the press is truly rigged against Trump.

I listened to Trump's speech at Gettysburg this morning. He outlined extensively all his proposals for his first day and his first 100 days if elected. Very well done. However he did mention the liars who have come forward to claim he harassed or abused them and he restated they are all liars. He said after the election he will sue them as they have slandered him. I hope so. These sleazy Clinton tactics need to be stopped and rejected by the American people. After the exposure of the Clinton teams tactics of violence at Trump rallies, we all get to see the "low bar" Clinton claims to object too. What a hypocrite. Where is the FBI in this? They should be arresting these thugs for interfering in a campaign and using violence, lies and intimidation tactics to help Hillary. But now we know the FBI has also been corrupted by Obama and Clinton. We know Obama who claimed he knew nothing of Hillary's private server actually used a phony named email to communicate on that server. He too should be arrested. And what of all those people who read classified emails of Top Secret without clearances? They too should be arrested. But now we see how corrupt and rigged the system is for the democrats.

We don't need the status quo in my view. It has shown itself to be corrupt and in need of cleansing by the voters. Hillary is more of the same corruption and the lobbyists and well connected will remain our overlords if she is elected. Trump will boot them and according to his speech today, he will have a lifetime ban on people getting money from foreign countries who worked then retired or were defeated from public office. That is how Hillary and Bill got $250 million tossed into their pockets. GO TRUMP.

VOTE or SHUT YOUR MOUTHS!

George Rebane

ToddJ 1124am - you're a hard man Mr Juvinall, wanting jail time for the recipients of illegally sent classified emails. Heretofore recipients have been innocent of any wrong doing when they receive an email with classified content, since they would be unaware of the malfeasance perpetrated by the sender. But, if upon reading, they did confirm/know of the content's classification, and did not report its compromise, then they would indeed be liable for criminal prosecution.

Gregory

I'm going to keep quiet on the classified information I retain, even though the systems it regards are all decommissioned along with the F-14 that carried it, and that F-14s and all the systems it carried were owned by Iran when it was taken over by the mullahs and assumed to be compromised. Wonder how much Russia and China paid?

Regarding Trump's Gettysburg speech, I think Gingrich had something to do with that. I was wondering when that shoe would drop... Gingrich's Contract With America was a big part of his ascension to Speaker and the end of the Democratic Party's control of tax and spending policy which started when I was still on a liquid diet and filling diapers in the 1950's. Looks mostly OK to me, though it won't lead me to waste my vote on a fellow I really don't agree with on all that much. Am happy in a way not to live in a battleground state and be faced with the "lesser of two evils" rationalization. Vote for the Stoner!

Not that much time remains, with voting already started in some places, which leads me to another observation: at least for Federal elections, all voting should be on the first Tuesday of November, period, except in case of injury, disability, national service, etc etc. The way it used to be was better not because it was the good old days but because Election Day is election day and ought to be, as much as is possible, with everyone voting with the same information at the same time.

Of course, that does tend to limit the number of times any particular Democrat can manage to cast a ballot in a single election, but we should all expect some sacrifices for the common good.

Todd Juvinall

Today's SacBee had one national political article. Of course it was on Trump at Gettysburg. He had a number of "first 100 days" plans for the country. What was the left's only takeaway from the extensive ani manifesto? His vowing to sue the babes who are paid by Hillary to defame him.

Todd Juvinall

Trump up 2.

http://www.investors.com/politics/trump-up-2-points-nationwide-while-clinton-campaigns-as-if-the-race-is-already-won-ibdtipp-poll/

Of course the lames will call this an outlier. But it was right on in 2012.

Paul Emery

Todd writes

"babes who are paid by Hillary"

Todd, can you document that or did you make it up.

Bill Tozer

Todd, they totally missed the results of way back in....drumroll please.....way back in.....2014! Said Mitch was toast, some babe was going to oust him, and the Dems were going to retake the House and Senate...7 days before the electio!! Hip, hip, hooray!! Turned out to be a slaughter alright. A slaughter of historical proportions of the Dems. They got too uppity and forgot their place in the pecking order.

Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered.

Todd Juvinall

Paul why don't you d your own homework for once. You go prove me wrong.

Bill Tozer

Todd @ 10:40 am.

Trump holding at 2.... yet again. Are you sure? Boy, take about massive civil disobedience. Don't they know who their masters are? Or, perhaps they know Masta has lost all moral authority. Lord of the Flies. Kill the Beast, Kill the Hilldebeest.

The slaves have taken control of the ship! Now, who is going to man the oars? Masta, do something. Do something Masta. Call in Loretta Lynch to do some lynching and stop this civil disobedience.

fish

Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 23 October 2016 at 11:11 AM


Todd.....shhhhh.....Matlock is on. I love this episode....where Matlock asks a lot of open ended questions.....!

Todd Juvinall

LOL guys. Hey ABC who hates Trump just came out today with a poll they say has Hillary up 12. I went and looked and this is their breakout of party. Of course this is being used by all the lames, even FOX.

"5
METHODOLOGY

This ABC News poll was conducted by landline and cellular telephone
Oct. 20, 22,, 2016, in English and Spanish, among a random national sample of
874 likely voters.
Results have a margin of sampling error of 3.5 points, including the design effect. Partisan divisions are 36, 27,31percent, Democrats,Republicans independents."

Now I have never seen that partisan breakdown before. Usuall it is way more indies. Anyway here is the link to the whole thing and we can see why Trump never gets a even break. For that matter no R ever does. Maybe GeorgeR can review the methodology?

http://www.langerresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/1184a12016ElectionTrackingNo1.pdf

Todd Juvinall

Just watched BBC America and they had this young blonde woman reporting as if the election was already over. Hillary wins with a tidal wave and the R's are destroyed. WOW!

Gregory

Paul E. started down that road a couple months ago... it seems a variation of the bandwagon approach to propaganda. It's a fait accompli, go with the flow. Start thinking about how to rehabilitate GOP voters in the aftermath.

Then there's the USC/LA Times poll whose characteristics of voter support show no variance for white voter preferences and little change for female support after the supposed Trump harassments/assaults were brought forward for the first time years after they should have, assuming there is truth to the charges.

This is the old Clinton playbook... The Politics of Personal Destruction. Remember that phrase?

The USC/LA Times (RAND) poll, the IBD/TIPP poll, had their bona fides established four years ago when they were the outliers showing an Obama win over Romney. Today, they buck the "common knowledge" that Hillary is walking away from Trump. My feelings are that the common knowledge smells more like desperation and that their private pollings are more dismal than they want to admit to.

ScenesFromTheApocalypse

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-23/new-podesta-email-exposes-dem-playbook-rigging-polls-through-oversamples

Paul Emery

You do your homework Todd to prove that "babes are paid by Hillary" I did some googling and came up with nothing. Which "Babes" are you referring to or is it all of them? What news service reported on that story, I found none,

By the way the Karl Rove is giving up on Trump.


In an appearance on “Fox News Sunday,” the Republican strategist said that Donald Trump’s poll numbers are simply too dismal to end in victory on election night.

“I don’t see it happening,” Rove told Fox. “If he plays an inside straight, he could get it, but I doubt he’s going to be able to play it.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/karl-rove-donald-trump-cant-win_us_580cb4c1e4b000d0b15727dc

George Rebane

Scenes 716pm - Well this is pretty serious stuff. Categorical oversampling to produce desired poll results is out and out fraud. Somewhere in this there should be something beyond a code of ethics that was violated. Hillary is an established sleazebag, and the evidence from recent emails shows that she also runs at the head of a pack of sleazebags.

Todd Juvinall

Paul Emery, try harder.

Rove never supported Trump. No biggee. 15 days to go. Brexit.

John

Paul Emery, after all of your "research" on Trump, have you ever thought to research the lies, deceit, and corruption connected to Hillary Clinton? It is astonishing. There are even numerous websites that detail the 40+ people that have died under mysterious circumstances after running afoul of the Clinton machine. Kind of makes the discussion about 20 year old sexual harassment claims pale by comparison don't you think?

George Rebane

It's really called leverage - it takes about 100 cases of Democrat "lies, deceit, and corruption" to equal one Republican case. Anyone who doesn't believe this has not delved into lamestream media coverage of the election or attempted an in-depth discussion with a Millennial (which hard to do since you hit bottom almost immediately).

Paul Emery

John
what else is new? I'm not voting for either. What we have here is a complete failure of the two party system.

Paul Emery

I mean John someone who publicly mocks someone with a physical disability is not emotionally or morally qualified to be President.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2015/11/26/donald-trump-mocks-reporter-with-disability-berman-sot-ac.cnn

Gregory

Trump had done the same "spaz" routine to mock reporters who aren't 'differently abled'.

Of course, no one would consider Craig Ferguson emotionally or morally qualified to be anything but a foul mouthed comic (one of the greats in my opinion) but he does a great imitation of a Pakistani with MS to illustrate what James Doohan's fake accent as Star Trek's original Scotty sounds like to him.

It comes back to Trump having gotten traction specifically because he would power through the PC brigades sent against him... remember, every GOP nominee has gotten the same treatment. Romney was roasted alive four years ago, now he's the honored dead. Same with McCain. Bush II would be similarly remembered had he the good taste to lose gracefully instead of winning. Twice.

Paul Emery

You're not voting tor this guy are you Gregory?

Todd Juvinall

The lamestream polls and their advocates are corrupt. They have many more democrats polled than the election stats say they should. And they under report Republicans. What have we told you all about the media? They are 90 percent democrats and these phony polls show it. Investors Business Daily and the Rasmussen Polls have the most accurate polls. ABC polls are totally false yet what poll does the lamestream media use? The ABC poll. They are trying make voters disillusioned for Trump. To me it is going to fail as most people know the media is in the tank for democrats. What's new?

Paul Emery


No reason to take Todd seriously on polling this election. He was 10% off in 2012 having subscribed to the unskewed polls that had Romney by 7. Ends up being Obama by 4.

Dean Chambers, the man who garnered praise from the right and notoriety on the left for his "Unskewed Polling" site, admitted today that his method was flawed.

"Nate Silver was right, and I was wrong," Chambers said in a phone interview.

http://www.businessinsider.com/unskewed-pollster-dean-chambers-nate-silver-election-dick-morris-michael-barone-2012-11


Todd Juvinall

Polls from the past

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_polling_for_U.S._Presidential_elections#United_States_presidential_election.2C_1980

Gregory

No Paul, I am not voting for Craig Ferguson, and my reasons for not voting for Trump have little to do with his spaz imitations of people. It seems to me you're nearly running on empty to come up with that. Old news from his learning curve... no, it isn't fake reality TV anymore.

Hillary is on the record that huge number of American voters are both deplorable and irredeemable. Not a great start for a unification if she does win. Not very Christian, either.

*IF* my voting for Trump could actually result in an Elector not going to Hillary, I'd have a hard time in the voting booth this year. But it can't... even if there is a tidal wave for Trump, California would be the last breakwater to be swamped.

Paul Emery

Thanks for the link Todd

yes Reagan came from behind and won but there were several factors. One was John Anderson who had around 20% at his peak and mowt o his support went for Reagan when he pulled out and most of all Donald Trump is no Ronald Reagan.

Now can you send me a link verifying the fact that women you say are being paid my Clinton to trash Trump with false claims.

Todd Juvinall

Oh Paul, no, you go find it. Looks like this race is going son to the wire. And of all people, you crack me up the most. You have bombarded us for years about how we need a outsider and when you get one you trash him relentlessly. You have as much credibility as a sea anemone. You re a phone baloney no ones cares what you write about politics now.

Pocahontas made a speech at a Hillary rally today and told the world the Trump referring to his accusers as "nasty girls" was OK. She said she was one too and all those "nasty girls" will vote. We all know that a nasty girl like a nasty boy. So I expect him to get their votes.

Todd Juvinall

Oh and it was just reported that Terry McCaulliffe, the Clinton "bag man" for past campaigns and now the Governor of Virginia gave 500K to a dem state senate candidate last year. And guess what? She is the wife of the Deputy Director of the FBI and he was part of the Clinton investigator crew.

BradC

Jester for Secretary of State,

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/american-vigilante-hacker-jester-defaces-134709264.html

Gregory

Donald Trump is no Ronald Reagan, but Hillary is also no Jimmy Carter who was both likable and honest.

Bill Tozer

Paul, I am not convinced that this is a failure of the two party system. Could be a one off. I know you have been decrying the two Party system for years, as many others who don't fall into the R/D camp. But, after many decades, I cannot point to the successes of the 3 party system. What we may be witnessing is the reconstitution of one of the two major political parties. The R have to do something. People like you were saying the R party was toast in 2008, relegated to a small regional party (i. e, The old Conferate States of the South filled Bible Clingers viciously hated by the usual religious bigots like Boardman). So, with the R party doomed to the dust bin of history, surely a new 3rd and 4th party would emerge. Hmm. Where are they?? I have to disagree with your premise of 8:51am as this as a complete failure.
The choices this year are none of the above for most, but not a complete failure. Perhaps running an independent and self declared socialist was not the best fit for the Democrat Party. Trump may be a good fit for the New Republican Party however it evolves. Maybe, maybe not. Time will tell

One thing is for certain. Many of our institutions will be/are damaged as a direct result of this election. The media, the government, many pollsters, the Justice Department, liberal arts colleges, the NFL, etc. I am NOT saying the NFL or the FBI or the 3 big networks (and the NYT) are going away. Nah, their credibility and trust has been severely damaged. Can we even trust the establishment polls anymore?

If I poll a group of folks in the following manner I can guareeteed a 8% or so lead for Hillary. Take the populace and divide in two. In the first half, poll 14% more Dems than R's. Take the 2nd half and compose them of independents and undecideds. This group as a whole should break around 50/50, or 55/45. Combine the two and you have a 7-9 point lead for the Dems. Easy as pie.

I finally see one flaw that our founding fathers missed. Most government types have historically had an acrimonious relationship with the press. Hostile. Ourfounding fathers relied on a free and vibrate press to be a pain in the ass to government, asking probing questions, exposing corrourption and malfeasance. The press was viewed as confrontational and protected to stay that way. The framers figured the 4th Estate would keep an skeptical and wary eye on the necessary evil the founders called government. They knew government was innately prone to grap more power and become serve serving. And our government must be constrained for the our Constitutional Republic to stand. They did not foresee the MSM of 2016.

Paul Emery

Good observation Gregory

Gregory

Likable, honest. Also proven incompetent, but so is Hillary who failed her D.C. bar exam.

George Rebane

Given Hillary's record since the DC bar exam, some of us believe that her incompetence has been demonstrated many times in things of much greater moment since she attempted that little test.

Bill Tozer

Am I the only one who is wondering "where is My Gal?" She is only doing one campaign appearance a day. Seems like of low coming down the stretch. Either she is not physically up to the task or her advisers are trying to keep that ex-wife sounding voice away from the press and public by design.

https://hillaryspeeches.com/scheduled-events/

Gregory

Yes, Hillary has fumbled more than a few times but I think installing as President a lawyer who couldn't pass the test to practice law in Washington DC is a special case of insanity.

Of course, she also kept the failure a secret for decades. All those stories about following her man to Arkansas... when it really was a move to the state whose bar exam she *was* able to pass.

Paul Emery

Trump tonight was blasting the mainstream media polls that are paid off to conspire against him by Hillary's campaign. that must include the Fox Polls that have Hillary up by 6,

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2016/polls

Bill Tozer

Big Kaine Rally drew 30 people. They expected 300. You guys can argue over polls. It is rather fun. One of you will be proven wrong and one of you will be proven correct. It's so logical that Hillary will kill it. It's packaged perfectly.

Oh BTW Paul, the bookies across the pond have been busy. 65% of the money is riding on Trump. That percentage is the same that was riding on Brexit passing, despite the polls showing the exact same margins as Hillary beating Trump and No on Brexit killing it. Just saying........2016 is the Year of the Reckoning. Cleveland Indians in the Series? It don't make sense. The Cavs win the NBA, the RNC Convention nominates Trump in Cleveland, and now the Cleveland Indians. Something weird is going on in Ohio. Must be something in the water. 30 people at a rally??? Say it ain't so.

Paul Emery

Well Bill we'll find out in a couple weeks about the polls when the votes come in. Then the argument will shift to election fraud which will inspire investigations into all those Republican governed States that voted for Hillary.

Bill Tozer

Play it Paul. Oh, us rowdy conservatives have been jaw boning about election tampering quite seriously since July. I may be taking a road trip myself to help a brother out.

Now, we can agree that every election has reports of election tampering, stuffing ballots, losing ballots and that kind of stuff. And some is human error, the one offs. I think the surveys about election fraud are asking the wrong folks. They ask it they saw anything questionable. If Mrs. Nicelady is volunteering at the polls and is given papers or ballots and treats the sacred vote with all due diligence, she is the wrong person to ask. She sees nothing. She does not know that the person who just voted has already previously voted across the state or county line. Sure, the fraudulent voter may even have registered at a vacant house he say 3 blocks away.

Paul, with all due respect, I feel that you have underestimated the vast reach of the Clinton Political Sleaze Machine. Like a stratched record, I keep saying this is a well greased machine that is bigger than the DNC or everything the likes this nation has ever seen. One big private creature whose tentacles have bought key personnel in media (executives and publishers on down), gov't (domestic and foreign) the executive branch, and the international Maoists and Islamic Fascists. So, of course, we all kind of are not excepting anything titled...er..crooked when we read the many polls.

Your side decries Republicans trying to manipulate/suppress the vote as the act of Mrs. Nicelady at the neighborhood voting place asking all the nice people to show ID. Lol. Yes, that does disapportionately affect the poor hired defrauders their chance to vote again and again.

Ain't saying hanky panky is going on in every single nook and cranny in every voting place in America. I hope you are not saying it does not exist or statically insignificant. Somewhere between the two.

Never underestabiment the Clinton Sleaze Machine. It is neither for God nor Country. Nothing wrong with keeping an eye on the henhouse.

https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/940168349450536/?type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/940203192780385/?type=3&theater

A Patriot's first duty is to protect his country against his government. Thomas Paine, your idol.

https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/730668940416664/?type=3&theater

Don Bessee

BT 823- That report said that the mass percent of total bets was on Trump at 65%, total $$ was 71% madam liar liar pantsuits on fire. It mirrors the real world, MLLPF has the 1% and Trump has the mass of small donations, kinda like Bernie. So if the establishment is off in their polling like the brits this may be an interesting Thanksgiving. ;-)

jon smith

Bill Tozier Oct 24 9:30pm
Regarding voter ID. Back in the day when I was 18, I registered to vote by old fashioned pony express. Nobody asked for my ID. To this day I vote by mail. The only confirmation that I am who I claim to be is a signature I have purposefully scribbled nearly illegibly several times just for fun. Nobody apparently even looks. Maybe I should sign it jon smith.

George Rebane

jons 838am - Mr smith, the real question is how do you and yours feel about that being the only requirement to perform the most sacrosanct act of a franchised citizen in a democratic republic?

Gregory

Pop up for Trump... He's +1.1% over Hillary by today's USC/LA Times/RAND poll, a 2% rise over yesterday. Either that's a trend, or it isn't.

"Then the argument will shift to election fraud which will inspire investigations into all those Republican governed States that voted for Hillary."

Or all the KVMR "peace center" types will be sitting around listening to old Utah Philips tapes wondering what happened. Whatever happens, counseling services will be in demand for the next few months.

BradC

Michael Moore endorses Trump!

BradC

Moore on Trump,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ud1tWx_im8w

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