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14 November 2016


Bob Hobert

I once considered pursuing a journalism major - I was a college freshman caught between crumbling career ideas and my looming post-university Vietnam-era military service. I did manage to write my way through many college courses and was especially challenged in developing effective writing skills in my Air Force ROTC classes. Writing also played an important part in my Air Force career, even as a career pilot. It saddens me that the journalism profession has become home to so many journalistic incompetents that most newspapers and news shows are pure political propaganda. This election exposed the broad media/journalism spectrum as fraud. There were some competent voices, however -

Bill Tozer

Dr. Rebane: Good map of the Greenies master plan. Strike that. The Green Wienees are just the face slkscreened across the front of the curtain. Pay no attention to the Dr. Evil in his lair behind the curtain.

I always was curious about why a certain story never grew legs. About the time those FEMA camp conspiracy theories were at their peak. Got sent a link from a local Seattle tv station. There were a bunch of Greenies from around the world doing the fact finding mission thang north of Seattle. The reporter asked about what countries they were from and what's doing on kind of stuff. The replies shocked me. They said that they where in a UN Zone and they don't need no stinkin's papers. They got do what they pleased as they where in the 100 mile UN Zone along our northern border. Nothing to see here.

Bob: Gotta smoke them out. :)



Writing paid a significant role in my AF Career also. As a new Captian, I filled a staff position at Castle AFB, where B-52 combat crews trained. My extra duty was DO Security Officer. The Director of Operations Vice was a Col from WWII. He obtained his commission as the last pilot standing in his bomber unit. Col Haines had been a full bull since his early 20s. Right after I joined the staff Col Haines called me into his office to discuss a Security Training letter I had written. He found my writing wanting. "As a Navigator, you had better learn to write better than most pilots if you want to succeed in this Air Force," he said. In early morning meetings he critiqued and cajoled me in to being a better writer over the two years I was at Castle AFB. I was never as good as I wanted to be; however, I found that marrying an English major was a real asset in writing for publication. I enjoy writing and blogging but still struggle to be a better writer, as my editor has no interest in editing my hobby scribblings.

Bob Hobert

I keep on my desktop and use it often when reading Ruminations!

Bill Tozer

Dr. Rebane penned: "One more thing. Listening to the media (FN and lamestream) talking heads this weekend explaining “why” Trump won and Hillary lost is comedy on steroids."

Dedicated to the late Mr. Boardman:

Ben Emery

Very misleading map but very does a very good job at distorting the reality. Your Great Divide mantra is this very thing Urban vs Rural mentalities. Both are real and both are equally important.

Here is my post today.

We have so much more in common than we are led to believe. Political Parties, especially major political parties, jobs are to train us to think of government with sports team mentalities. My team vs your team and winner takes all. I personally don't like political parties but since we are forced to participate in a partisan system I choose the party that shares my values most.

"“The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge natural to party dissention, which in different ages & countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders & miseries, which result, gradually incline the minds of men to seek security & repose in the absolute power of an Individual: and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of Public Liberty."
- George Washington Farewell Address

“It serves always to distract the Public Councils and enfeeble the Public Administration. It agitates the Community with ill founded Jealousies and false alarms, kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot & insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence & corruption, which find a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country, are subjected to the policy and will of another." - George Washington Farewell Address

My hope for the Trump presidency in our commonalities we are brought together at the local level so we can start determining our own futures instead of our futures being in the hands of a small few people in distant capitol cities. Trump is unqualified, dangerous, and very ignorant of the powers and duties of the office he now holds. We all should be very cautious and nervous about the next 4 years. A weak person in a position of great power are what the predators and jackals wait for, we saw this with the George W Bush administration. This is the time we come together to secure ourselves from a Trump administration, future administrations, and quite frankly the last 7 presidents and their administrations.

I spoke at a Green Party meeting in Oakland the other night to 50 plus people about strategies to advance our ideas forward.

"I believe that we have better ideas, but I also believe that good ideas don't matter if people don't hear them."
- President Obama November 14, 2016

This was exactly my message. Bernie Sanders largely ran on a Green Party platform and tens of millions of Americans strongly agreed with those issues. So for Greens our ideas and issues aren't the problem.

The #1 problem of the Green Party are all the obstructions put in place to make sure they are not seen or heard unfiltered. The same goes for Libertarian Party. Basically minority parties are only allowed on corporate media/ news outlets when they are being portrayed in a negative light. Whether that is spray painting a bulldozer, having a memory lapse moment, or taking a very complex issue and reducing it down to sound bites so anyone trying to explain a different approach sounds like they don't know what they are talking about a.k.a. Student Debt Jubilee and the Federal Reserve

Problem #2 is the messaging for the Green Party. Once size definitely does not fit all. Urban coastal voters have much different perception of the US and life in general as those who live inland and rural areas. This divide is found everywhere in the world. The beauty and tragedy of this is the fact the Green Party actually addresses this divide in its Ten Key Values/ Platform.

Rural folks like the idea of Decentralization, Grassroots Self Determination, Community Based Economics, Getting the Most Out of the Land they Work and Live On, etc...

These are Green Party ideas that are built into every platform produced from the party.

George Rebane

BenE 832am - Thank you Mr Emery; could you also provide links to Green Party 'messaging' where we all read its authorized perspective, platform, and proposals (e.g. Ten Key Values)? That would be very helpful to assess the nature of the unification you see possible.

Ben Emery

My two cents on the election.

The Dem primary showed the huge disconnect the party leadership has with their base and showed us to what extent they would go to ensure their handpicked and groomed candidate became the nominee. Bernie was tapping into the blue collar working class discontent of American and Clinton belittled his supporters as she did Trumps. Trump got the "right" discontented workers to come out where Clinton did not. Her biggest attraction was she was a woman and she wasn't Trump.

Clinton by far was the more experienced and qualified. But experience and qualifications don't mean a whole lot when they are done poorly. She was handed the US Senate seat in NY and then handed the SoS seat after losing her then "sure thing" bid for the presidency in 2008. Clinton deregulating Wall St and then Hillary becoming the US Senator from that same state with Wall St money and backing seems a bit too cozy for me. A state she had never lived to make it even more obvious. In a strange way I am feeling bad for Hillary right now. She has spent a lifetime trying to be liked and moving into her twilight years she is shown in simple terms she is disliked so much a predatory capitalist bigot is preferred over her. Kind of sad if we think about it.

Trump is a privileged predatory capitalist bigot who entered into the race to the stir the pot. He never intended or even imagined he would have a chance at winning the f-ing thing. He stoked the lowest common denominator in the US, racism, to get people energized. It is a dangerous game but then again he figured his campaign would be done by October 2015. Brown people are the reason we have no jobs, liberties, or security in the US. By keeping brown people out all those things will return are his promises, which will bear no fruit. In fact it will actually exacerbate the problems with civil liberties and further divide average people against each other causing strife that leads to a more authoritarian state. The exact opposite direction we need to go if we are going to address the major issues of our country and the world.

Todd Juvinall

No one cares what you think. Go back to bed. You lost.

Ben Emery

Here are the specific issues and then the link. If we can begin to see where we agree, which I think the foundations of the Green and Libertarian/ Conservative alliance is the decentralization aspect where we bring control closest to the people. We might not agree on other issues but it should be done at the local and regional level not some stiffs in suits in cities somewhere far away where their only understanding of the local regions are corrupted conflicted of interest representatives.

CA TKV are written in question form that allows all ideas and ideologies to come to the table to participate. You can find more summarized ideas by searching specific issues on the site. I pulled from the national website.

From the CA TKV
How can we build a better relationship between cities and countryside?

Grassroots Democracy

Every human being deserves a say in the decisions that affect their lives; no one should be subject to the will of another. Therefore we will work to increase public participation at every level of government and to ensure that our public representatives are fully accountable to the people who elect them. We will also work to create new types of political organizations that expand the process of participatory democracy by directly including citizens in the decision-making process.


Centralization of wealth and power contributes to social and economic injustice, environmental destruction, and militarization. Therefore, we support a restructuring of social, political and economic institutions away from a system that is controlled by and mostly benefits the powerful few, to a democratic, less bureaucratic system. Decision-making should, as much as possible, remain at the individual and local level, while assuring that civil rights are protected for all citizens.

Community Based Economics

We recognize it is essential to create a vibrant and sustainable economic system, one that can create jobs and provide a decent standard of living, for all people, while maintaining a healthy ecological balance. A successful economic system will offer meaningful work with dignity, while paying a "living wage" which reflects the real value of a person's work. Local communities must look to economic development that assures protection of the environment and workers' rights, broad citizen participation in planning, and enhancement of our "quality of life". We support independently owned and operated companies which are socially responsible, as well as co-operatives and public enterprises that spread out resources and control to more people through democratic participation.

Ecological Wisdom

Human societies must operate with the understanding that we are part of nature, not separate from nature. We must maintain an ecological balance and live within the ecological and resource limits of our communities and our planet. We support a sustainable society that utilizes resources in such a way that future generations will benefit and not suffer from the practices of our generation. To this end we must have agricultural practices that replenish the soil; move to an energy efficient economy; and live in ways that respect the integrity of natural systems.

Ben Emery

You are narrow minded that cannot think outside a very small world view of partisanship. You've missed out on the blessing and gift we have been given called, life. There are so many magnificent and beautiful experiences to be had that you've most likely missed out on due to that narrow mindedness. Trust me, many inside the Democratic Party Machine suffer from the disease.

In the 2016 Presidential election the entire world lost because it sent a message to the entire world the US Empire is in steep decline, which is a red flag or symbol for very dangerous. Up until now power doesn't voluntarily give it up, it has to be taken. There is no evidence that trend is going to change. Those who are being targeted of losing their power or privilege start behaving with exceptional irrationality and violence to try and hang onto that power and privilege. The US has been going down that road quite awhile and it picking up steam.

Are you familiar with the Casey Jones story? Selling out the future to create comfort today keeps building on top of itself until the speed is out of control and we go off the rails.

George Rebane

BenE 900am - "Brown people are the reason we have no jobs, liberties, or security in the US. By keeping brown people out all those things will return are his promises, which will bear no fruit." This understanding of Trump's positions on employment and illegal aliens is beyond simplistic and a gratuitous expression of your frustration with the election's outcome. It is hard for me to believe that it is your considered assessment.

re your 930am - First, thank you. The point (value?) with which I and mine are in most agreement is 'Ecological Wisdom'. The remainder of them have systemic shortcomings which have been hard/impossible to overcome in human societies without the attempts rapidly descending into dissolution or tyranny. These points have been covered here over the last decade, but do need to be revisited from time to time. I will do that and look forward to your more developed responses.


"You are narrow minded that [sic] cannot think outside a very small world view of partisanship."

Pot, meet kettle.

Ben, I can't remember a single time where you took a couple facts, rubbed them together and came up with a logical conclusion that related well to reality. To wit:

Brown people are the reason we have no jobs, liberties, or security in the US. By keeping brown people out all those things will return are his promises, which will bear no fruit. In fact it will actually exacerbate the problems with civil liberties and further divide average people against each other causing strife that leads to a more authoritarian state.

That is the left wing fantasy Trump, what one believes if they lived in the Left's echo chamber that was forever hearing the "dog whistles" it expected to hear.

No, being against safe spaces for illegal aliens isn't racist.

Todd Juvinall

Ben Emery, I really think all you think about is some political slight and partisan position. I have a great life. Kids, grands, friends, traveling, many people of color in my life. I get out and about. I look at what I consider my personal achievements and don't wish for more. You are simply in a bubble and can't get out. My granddaughter is half Mexican. Smart, college grad, and now a mom. You are in your own cracker world view and liberal mantra's that don't work. I am sad for you and those around you.

Ben Emery

Since your complete reason for living is to win every argument what you have to say is meaningless. Only time will tell with Trump. My opinion about Bush/ Cheney was correct, about Obama/ Biden were correct, and I left the Democratic Party in the 1990's which also has been proven to be a correct move.

Your worldview is what limits your ability to enjoy the most out of life. It falls into two neat little groups, which basically divides the entire earth population roughly 50%.

My neat little groups falls into two categories as well. The 0.5% of extremely wealthy people who buy government officials to influence policies of both parties that secure their wealth, property, and power is one group. Then there is the rest of us.

I consider you and I on the same team but you just don't realize it because you're to busy trying to figure out how to defend and promote the Republican Party. I think you are a complete asshole but assholes need to family and people defending them as well.

Ben Emery

Should read

The 0.5% of extremely wealthy people who buy government officials to influence policies that secure their wealth, property, and power is one group.

It is the same all over the planet not just in the US.

Todd Juvinall

Ben Emery | 15 November 2016 at 03:19 PM

Oops, I forgot. You do not read anything we arite so your responses are disconnected from the thread. Read my last post, think about it then read your last one. You will see you did not read mine. Try harder.

Scott Obermuller

I welcome Ben's comments here as they highlight the simplistic childish thinking that goes on in lefties' heads.
He starts off by complaining that the map George displayed in his post is "misleading".
He doesn't say which map is misleading nor why, but since Ben says so, we are supposed to just bobble our heads in agreement.
"We have so much more in common than we are led to believe."
Yet he goes on in multiple posts to disagree with far more items of contention than he agrees with we conservatives.
BTW Ben - If you want to quote Washington, please educate yourself on ALL of his quotes. But it is nice to see that you consider a wealthy, white, slave-owning male to be a person we should look up to.
"The #1 problem of the Green Party are all the obstructions put in place to make sure they are not seen or heard unfiltered."
Actually Ben, the green party does its best to hide what they're really up to. What they really want is to get rid of capitalism.
No one is stopping the Green Party from posting anything they want on the internet, making all of their points available to almost everyone in the world.
"A successful economic system will offer meaningful work with dignity, while paying a "living wage" which reflects the real value of a person's work."
Every person on earth has the same amount of dignity due them no matter what economic or govt system they live under. More money does not equal more dignity.
The "real" value of a person's labor is determined by the person or entity paying that person for his or her labor. The laborer is at liberty to accept or decline the offer of remuneration. End of story. Any other entity that would intervene is inhibiting our liberties. You want a living wage? Fine. Tell us what it is but remember, it has to be local. No federal or state laws can be made regarding minimum wage. Because 'local control'.
You want local control? Fine - lets start by eliminating at least 1/2 of the cabinets of the executive branch and their idiot rules. Funny how I've never seen Greenies go against federal rules.
Your problem Ben, is that you want good things but expect them to materialize by magic. If some one points out the problem with your thinking, you assume they are against your goals.
"In a strange way I am feeling bad for Hillary right now. She has spent a lifetime trying to be liked and moving into her twilight years she is shown in simple terms..."
Yeah - like: liar, crook, sell out...
I feel sorry for her too. Anyone who cooks up a scheme to enrich themselves by setting up a bogus org that is supposed to "help the children" and in reality is nothing more than a criminal front to sell out American foreign policy to the highest bidder will surely pay for it suffering in eternity.
And I can feel sorry for anyone destined to suffer that fate.
Wow - I guess we do agree at least a little.

Ben Emery

Bill Tozer

Look at the bright side Ben. Those green backs and checks are pouring in now. Your war chest just got bigger. Keep those cards and letters coming, kiddies.

Scott Obermuller

Ben's link at 9:57 - You do realize that Bernie endorsed Hillary for pres? Even after he knew he'd been rolled by her machine? Total loser. But thanks for the entertainment.


Ben E, it just seems that way because I win the arguements I have with you. Regarding those rich folk buying influence, PJ O'Rourke put it something like this: When buying and selling is controlled by legislation, the first things to be bought and sold are legislators.

BTW Ben, have you come to terms with the past election solidifying the stare decisis status of Citizens United?


Posted by: Ben Emery | 15 November 2016 at 09:57 PM

Yeah......and I can just imagine how disheartening it was to see Bernie up there so lustily endorsing the HillBot 5000!

Bill Tozer

Time to drain the swamp. This sickens me. Screw crony capitalism. I feel violated.

Don Bessee

It seems the dems in Nevada City are still fully engaged in rigging the system. Todays Union gives 1 day notice to Thursdays 130pm planning commission meeting on the proposed pot shop.
Then they tell us about the fix designed to slide this by the people, schedule the public comment period that basically covers the Thanksgiving vacation period.
Then they will make a decision at a special meeting at new years.
Couldn't have thought up a better schedule to suppress public, especially families participation. I guess those pushing the pot shop don't celebrate the holidays like the rest of the world. Ham handed and obvious they be. ;-)

Bill Tozer

Ben: Your Green Party plan won't work. If based upon getting money out of politics as the starting point, then your next step of leading us to Utopia is fatally flawed. Why? Let's start with ridding/greatly reducing crony capitalism and undue big money influence out of politics. The best and easiest way is to have a much smaller government. Suppose 3 trillion smackers are there for the lobbiests and crony capitalists to get their hands on. Now if there were only 1 trillion smackers available for them to droll over, you just cut the bad money and influence by 2/3. Thus, a smaller government reduces the bad money in politics. But, your plan calls for a bigger government for free health care for all, free this, free that. Thus the contradiction. You want your cake and eat it too, but there is not enough cake to pass around due to not enough ingredients to start with. The eggs were tossed when you got rid of money in politics and the flour was insufficient to work with when you got rid of crony capitalism. Your cake is too small.

I would submit there is a direct connection with money in politics and bigger government.

Barry Pruett

Here Jeffie...I'll use it in a sentence for you. In fact, I'll pull one from California Law Review for you.

"It clearly defines what is not protected activity, giving warning to potential defendant states. It is comitous since it provides the protection to both foreign and forum states; and it is no less fair to the domestic citizens than their own laws are."

See the word "comity," but you would have no idea what that is.

Barry Pruett

Or this one...

"Under the existing facts, the State of Missouri could not be bound by the decree of the city court of Alton, yet it could come into that court and assert any claim it might have in either the property or the funds in the hands of the receiver. (Cf. Clark v. Barnard, 108 U.S. 436, 27 L. Ed. 780.) The extent and nature of its claim could then be determined in an orderly and regular procedure. We know of no principle or precept which prevents a duly constituted State court from exercising jurisdiction over land within its territorial limits because of the existence of an outstanding contractual interest therein in some person or entity beyond its jurisdiction. Petitioners seem more to seek the abnegation by Illinois of its own sovereignty than the comitous recognition of the sovereignty of Missouri."

People Ex Rel. Hoagland v. Streeper, 145 N.E.2d 625 (1957).

George Rebane

BarryP 348pm - Thank you for enlightening us all (and here I thought I invented it; oh well).

Barry Pruett

Very rarely used word. Being that English is not your first language, your usage is impressive.

Don Bessee

The leftists are very comfortable throwing slurs and their labeling verbiage at us in an effort to minimize and disparage us deplorables when they are vacant of any intellectual discourse.

The Dark Lord of Liberal Lament Land's arrogance toward Dr. R is very evident in his overeager display of his own limits. Our local left is wallowing in their denial and chicken counting. ;-)


WOW! jeffy morphs from being one of the Stepford Wives to.......well to one of the malfunctioning Stepford the space of a paragraph!

jeffpelline says:

December 1, 2016 at 8:33 pm

This is so sad. While I was making dinner for our family (Dungeness crab cakes), and catching up with our family about their days — a wonderful conversation — Barry Pruett was preoccupied with Todd Juvinall’s blog: “Barry Pruett December 1, 2016 at 6:16 PM Read. A. Book. Jeffie. 😂😂” Then Don Bessee weighed in about the “The Dark Lord of Liberal Lament Land’s.” Blah, blah, blah. Have you ever read this about Don? . What does Mrs. Bessee (if there even is one) think? On top of this, Don, a loud-mouthed, anti-marijuana activist, just got drubbed on the state marijuana initiative. These people are losers, social outcasts and community outliers. social outcasts. At least the blogs give them an outlet to express themselves.

"I was going to make you was going to make you coffee......"


17 minutes......decent time jeffy....not great!

Work on it!

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