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19 November 2016

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Russ

Nine celebrities who say they'll move to Canada if Donald Trump becomes president

http://www.businessinsider.com/celebrities-move-to-canada-if-donald-trump-becomes-president-2016-11/#lena-dunham-5

Questions is will they be welcome in Canada? Want to guess how may will whimper out and not go?

fish

I hear Canada is considering building their own wall just to keep Lena from crossing.....

http://www.torontosun.com/2016/11/10/no-thanks-lena-dunham-canadians-tell-american-celebrities-to-stay-home

Gregory

Ramirez is a genuius... "Applause Will Sound"!

Alas, empty promises, a wager placed with the expectation a loss can't happen.

The next two to four years should be particularly interesting... gun issues will again come to the fore with the SCOTUS regaining a pro-2nd majority and brand spanking new Blue state "common sense" regulations that are anything but, including our Prop 63 which steps on both gun ownership and interstate commerce. Challenges are said to be ready to roll.

Then there is the EPA's carbon jihad which is likely to be stopped in its tracks.

Gavin Schmidt, Czar of NASA-GISS (perhaps the only NASA group that rejects satellite measurements in favor of heavily adjusted terrestrial temperature gauges) has warned Trump not to cut his department... I wonder how well that will work? If that actually trickles up to Trump, I'd guess not very well.

Then there's Common Core, and the Trump Dept. of Education transition lead is the Hoover Institute's Williamson "Bill" Evers who has been pushing back on Constructivist education for at least 20 years. His HOLD (Honest Open Logical Debate) parent's group in Palo Alto being the first during California's Math Wars in the '90's in reacting to math fluency in PA taking a tumble when the Whole Math debacle started... I drove to a Palo Alto school auditorium for a presentation with all sides present including Bill Honig who kicked off the new ways to teach but hadn't intended for traditional math to be trashed. But trashed it was thanks to Phil Daro, author of whole math at the state level in the '90's and now the original Chair and continued lead author of the Common Core State Standards (that no state had a role in drafting) in Mathematics, despite Daro having no degrees whatsoever in mathematics. In fact, his progression at Berkeley was first majoring in physics, then majoring in math, and finally majoring in English so he could graduate. HINT: strong students in physics and math will generally complete the major.

But hey, in the world of Common Core you can have someone who lacks the credentials and credibility to be hired to teach math at NU High School set the standard for the whole country. Is this a great place to live, or what?

Guns, climate, education. There may be primal screams in our future just over those issues.

Bill Tozer

They never have liked us. Never. Now they really really hate us. More today than yesterday. And more tomorrow than yesterday.

They are not moving to Canada. The MSM is the biggest sprewer of fake news. They have become obsessive and petty. Best to just keep pushing forward and pay them no mind. The longer the anti-Trump demonstrations go on, the more repulsive they appear to the general population and tarnishes the image of the Leftist side. I hope the protests go on for months and celebrities show what airheads they are each time they open their mouths. It shows all of America how out of touch, insignificant, how silly, how breathtaking butt ass stupid they are. All this plays well into our hands and offers bigger future openings than I thought. Mark the tape.

And yes, the MSM, academia, and the "entertainment industry" cannot not stop themselves. The Left is moving stark raving radical left at breakneck speed to help our cause. It's all good news. But (always a but)...never ever think that they are not extremely dangerous, no matter how infantile they act.

Oh, yeah, the courtesy pic or two because I cannot not stop myself.

https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/955249097942461/?type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/956132007854170/?type=3&theater

Todd Juvinall

Wait till these lovelies see the tax rate in Canada! What a hoot!

Bill Tozer

Hillsdale College? Oh my, the times they are a'changing. New civics lessons on the horizon.

http://hillsdalecollegian.com/2016/11/trump-considering-arnn-secretary-education-speculation-increases-president-elect-fills-cabinet/

Bill Tozer

Hollywood Stardom and painful introspection: I must say her tweets nailed it. There is always one in every crowd.

"No, never excuse hatred, but how do you move forward in a climate of hate when you only expect the worst of an entire group of people?"
http://heatst.com/politics/susan-sarandon-destroys/

Paul Emery

George

Move to Canada? Not me George. I'm quite happy with the direction Nevada County is going. Lots of independents and fewer Repubs per acre than in recent memory.

IN a parallel thought causes me again to encourage Todd to move to Modoc
County since Nevada County is now solid blue . There are more of the old fashioned red neck Republicans up there that he can feel comfortable with.

Bill Tozer

Play it again, Sam.

Bill Tozer

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https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/956422721158432/?type=3&theater

Don Bessee

PE- The other day on your show we were discussing how the potential AG picks would impact weed, it looks like Trump's appointment of Sen. Sessions as AG is going to be a buzz kill for recreational weed. ;-)

Walt

LIBS sure fear Trump. Is Paul going to do his best to get the stage show "Hamilton"
to play at the Nevada Theatre? They hate Trump too.

Bill Tozer

Walt, look at the bright side. When they are all be packed in the old theater, it will be the absolute perfect time to call in an air strike.

Bill Tozer

Gosh, Paul, don't be such a tard..

http://www.disclose.tv/news/are_you_suffering_from_trump_acceptance_resistance_disorder_tard/136500

Speaking of tards, wonder how Boardman is progressing lately? Some things take longer for some people than others.

https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/745141025636122/?type=3&theater

Don Bessee

Just looked at an Ipsos poll that was done before the election and held back because of its explosive results on immigration policy;

Immediate deportation of criminal/gang illegals- 75% support

Detaining or immediately deporting all illegals- 62% support

Cut back on legal immigration- 57% support

Fine businesses who hire illegals- 67% support

I can see why they did not release it until now.

Paul Emery

That's good news for the rec growers Don. It will be back to normal with minimal risk and high profits. Marijuana laws are unenforceable on a Federal level except for really large grows which everyone is opposed to. As to the small grower-30-60 plants the Feds won't bother. It's not cost effective.

Walt

Great pitch Paul, advocate breaking the law. Yet I'm forbidden from owning 30 round magazines for my gun, because some state law written by gun haters says so.
I can't buy a gun in Ca. that's legal in 49 other states. But I'm not like you. I follow the law, no matter how distasteful, or politically driven it may be.

Paul Emery

Besides that Don I thought you were for States Rights in that matter except for large exporting situations. Trump is on record saying he supports medical MJ 100% and it should be left up to the states. What is your view Don? States rights or no?

Here is Trumps position as expressed to O'Reilly. Of course Trump says one thing one time and then changes his mind when it's convenient.

"In terms of marijuana and legalization, I think that should be a state issue, state-by-state," Trump told The Washington Post. "… Marijuana is such a big thing. I think medical should happen — right? Don’t we agree? I think so. And then I really believe we should leave it up to the states."

He has also expressed support for medical marijuana, telling Bill O'Reilly in February that he's, "in favor of medical marijuana 100%."

"I know people that have serious problems and they did that they really — it really does help them," Trump said. "

http://www.businessinsider.com/where-donald-trump-stands-on-weed-legalization-2016-11

Gregory

Solid blue, Paul? Most folk in Nevada County who voted, voted against the Democrat.

They also voted against the gun control measure and voted for the GOP candidates for the state legislature, and more than half voted for the GOP congressional candidates.

I realize that 48%/44% Dem/GOP gives throws the local blue meanies a life preserver but 48/44 is still (repeat after me) a toss up by the RCP convention... not at all something to bank on and laughable compared to the majorities in the Bay area.

In the meantime, the first public employer in California to default on the bill sent by CalPERS has arrived. Yes, tiny Loyalton in Sierra County paid everything required while their four pensioners were still on the payroll but they've choked on the continuing bills from CalPERS to cover continuous CalPERS screwups long after they retired.

They won't the last to just say no... and the generous pension plan is one of the lynchpins of California's Democratic machine.

Bill Tozer

I thought burning wood chips would save Loyalton and power beautiful downtown Nevada City and Truckee as well. Boy, I thunk wrong.

Paul, Trump said Medical marihuana hoochie hoochie. Boy, everytime you hear medical, your mind and lips and fingers immediately race to recreational hoochie hoochie.. every single time. Why is that?

Bill Tozer

I haven't bother to follow the new dope regs. Where did Paul come up with 30-60 plants? Is that the new recreational pot limits? No bother. Google earth will point the places not in compliance in if need to borrow some tomatoes. At least the county will rake in the dough at 100 bucks a plant (I heard somewhere). . Enough money to add a few more enforcement officers to bust the offenders, rake in the cash, and minimize risk. A good thing. 30-60 plants? Learn something new everyday.

ScenesFromTheApocalypse

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/11/17/elector-threats/94003176/

Don Bessee

PE, you are misremembering, I am against ANY kind of export across state lines. Prop 215 and AB266 are the law in CA. We sill have to flesh out 266 next year. I would expect the Trump administration to adopt a SAM like approach to medical, remember President Trump is only ok with some kind of medical, not recreational. Sessions will not be letting Sean Parkers dream of big industrial recreational weed come true. ;-)

Walt

So Trump is putting someone in that will actually uphold the laws of the land. Unlike the likes of Holder and Lynch. They only enforced the ones that were politically expedient, and even made a few up.
Our Lefties have a problem with that? FED law, trumps state laws. There is nothing new about that.

Bill Tozer

Looks like Mad Dog Mattis is still in the running. A Marine of all things. The General once hopped in a fox hole and spent the night in the dirt with his troops on the front line miles away from the command post in Afghanistan. A no nonsense yet very fair man. If nominated, he will deliver a wealth of good quotes for the press to report. Wonder why he rubbed the pussies in the Obama Administration the wrong way? Maybe because he thinks a soldier's job is to win. A great mystery I tell ya.

https://thelastgreatstand.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/1467322_649301955112911_1259994383_n.jpg

Gregory

Walt, if you bought your 10+ round magazines before the old California ban, you can keep them until July. Or longer, depending on challenges to the law.

Bill Tozer

Boy, a lot of heads are popping right now. I haven't seen the Democrats this upset since the Republicans took their slaves away. Now Obama is folding like a soggy pretzel.

Trump did say in the primaries "we are going to win and win and we will will grow so tired of winning that people will be asking 'Mr. Trump, can't we lose just once, we are tired of all this winning' and I will say no."

https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/11/19/administration-asks-judge-to-suspend-immigration-court-case-until-next-year/?ref=yfp

Paul emery

Well Don the people in California have spoken that they want recreational marijuana legalized. It was a sound victory a landslide. What does that mean to you

Don Bessee

PE- The conversation has been about the impact of the Trump election on Federal enforcement and 64. The feds are not going to give a shit about 6 plants in your shed. AG Sessions can crush industrial production of commercial weed anywhere. I don't think AG Sessions gives a shit about the voting percentages on prop 64.

We get that you are ducking the issue and pointing elsewhere, I though you would slide over to Nevada County being a blue area. ;-)

Todd Juvinall

Cracks me up. Paul Emery was a daily basher of Trump and of all of us that supported him. He makes up funny demeaning names and then tells us hos he reads the polls so well. And then he gets shellacked and suddenly crickets. Oh Paul, all you yapping was for naught. Trump/Pence won and you lost. Hell, your guy got what three percent? Seems ike we are the mainstream now and you are in the woods, lost and alone. Enjoy the next four years. And I called it right this time.

Paul Emery

I was just thinking of your well-being Todd With the shrinking percentage of Republicans in Nevada County it seems to be happier being around people of your own kind You can tell them stories about how you alone fired people at the Board of Supervisors if they didn't like you

Paul Emery

Wow Don. I thought you were a conservative Sure looks like you're siding with federal control over states when you gloat about how much power sessions will have

If he moves in that direction it will certainly be a return to the good old days of pot cultivation I don't think he'll very much Hell l be too busy rounding up 12 million illegal immigrants as Trump promised he would do

Todd Juvinall

es Paul Emery, I do hang mostly with the same birds. Makes life more fun. And we don't whine like liberals. Mostly people who actually accomplished things in their lives. And it was fun the clear the swamp when I got elected. So I know what Trump feels like.

Bill Tozer

States' Rights are paramount to us. Many states have laws that exceed Federal guidelines which is ok with me. California vehicle MPG and emissions standards come to mind. States can exceed standards, but not fall below guidelines.

The real issue here is not growing dope locally, an issue that is dear to Paul's heart. The real issue here is Paul is a one hit wonder. Nevada City and a few selected parts of the county are where Paul's worldview begins and ends. No problem with that. Has nothing to do with the new Administration or the new Senator from CA. Whoever coined the phrase "All politics is local" certainly had Mr. Emery in mind.

I get it. Spending ones life on Off Broad Street, listening all day everyday to alternative radio, immersing oneself into the local bar music scene, and rubbing elbows all day with folks who grow dope.....well, it would make one believe that pot is the savior of the local economy and, like Utopia, will have no downside, no problems, just perfect little plots and all is well.

Yes, we all have the inalienable right to freedom to associate with whom we choose, a right that precedes government. The general election just was background noise to Paul. His glorious victories that consume his world are all based on growing recreational dope. Not much else. His world stops at the Nevada City line, unless he heads to the ER or goes for a dip down by the river.. Let Paul relish in his victories. He is transforming his Hood into his own image. Without growing dope legally and without no stigma attached, Paul's world would be crashing down on top of him. It is the most important thing to him. Yep, like many bands, a one hit wonder.

Walt

Payback is a bitch.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/20/trump-supporter-disrupts-chicago-performance-of-hamilton/
"The audience member, who was sitting in the balcony, reportedly shouted, “We won! You Lost! Get over it! F*ck you!” during the number “Dear Theodosia.”
"a Facebook user wrote, “At the end, the performers were crying… so was I. They didn’t break characters once. They still sang their hearts out.” "

Walt

WOW... "Hamilton " are true blue Trump haters.
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/11/20/hamiltons-lin-manuel-miranda-helped-hillary/

Larry Wirth

Funny, didn't hear any celebs saying they would flee to Mexico in the event... wonder why that would be? L

fish

Posted by: Walt | 20 November 2016 at 09:28 AM


Enjoy it once!

Better to draw a distinction between the classless behavior of the New York "Hamilton" cast and Trump supporters in general!

Walt

Now Fish..... Once in a while one must stoop to another's level for the message to be understood. It seems this time the message was post marked "return to sender".
It's was "O" and friends that originally stated those vary words.
Now they cry upon hearing their own "words of wisdom"?
At least Pence gave them a pass.

Damn right I will enjoy this. I gave up on playing Mr. Nice Guy a long time ago.

fish

Posted by: Walt | 20 November 2016 at 11:14 AM

At least Pence gave them a pass.


I didn't say don't enjoy it.....during the entire campaign we were told that this was how Trump supporters were going to behave when Hillary won.....there's absolutely no reason to live down to their expectations after winning!

Bill Tozer

My, my. Seems President-elect Trump has Pences's back. That's the kind of guy you want to be in the foxhole with. Got your back, Mr. Trump. I may have been wrong to think they should take away Trump's Twitter machine......he ain't POTUS yet. It's the transparency I love. There are different vehicles of which to preach from the bully pulpit.

Calling the smash hit Hamilton "overrated" is down right mean. Worse possible thing he could have said to the talent. Actors and actresses are highly insecure neurotics. Like telling a comedian they aren't funny or telling a Snowflake you don't give a rat's ass about their feelings. Brilliant!

Bill Tozer

https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/957140687753302/?type=3&theater

We got your back, Mr. Trump. We are in this together.

http://unclesamsmisguidedchildren.com/anarchists-promise-inauguration-disruption-bikers-trump-ride/

Walt

Bill.. Looks like plenty are putting money on the bikers.
If the "disrupters" start anything I'm sure the Trump bikers will finish it.

Bill Tozer

"President Obama told Peruvians Sunday night that America has often "fallen short of our ideals" of democracy, rule of law, a free press, an independent judiciary, free markets, and a social welfare system to help the disadvantaged." ROFLMFUEO!

No, B. Hussein O, you single handily bobbled the ball on rule of law, an independent judiciary, democracy, and our ideals just to begin to scratch the surface. It wasn't Hillary that got vanquished, it was YOU. . You have fallen short, sir, and the jury finds you guilty as charged. Apology tour is right., you sorry sumbitch.

Walt:
Meanwhile, back on the home front, lets check out Kentucky. Kentucky has a red statehouse for the first time in 85 years, aka since 1921. Kentucky was the last Democrat controlled legislative body in the South. Was. Good job Obama. No apology needed. Now, what the heck shall we do with those pesky Kentucky haters you left behind?

https://www.facebook.com/UncleSamsMisguidedChildren.Net/photos/a.169953786533962.1073741830.169676909894983/587221938140476/?type=3&theater

Sam Montgomery, shouldn't you be in Canada by now? We ain't going to take it no more.

Scott Obermuller

The Trump derangement syndrome has now expanded to include the pres of France.
"France president Francois Hollande warned Donald Trump on Saturday that US commitments to reducing climate change and global warming are "irreversible".
...Hollande warned the businessman turned reality TV star that he has no choice but to respect the commitments made by his predecessor as US president, Barack Obama."
NO CHOICE?? OMG!!
Excuse me, but what's this little Napoleon going to do when Trump tells him to go pound sand? I'm pretty sure Monty Python did a scene or 2 that would be appropriate about now.
Side note - this article in the Telegraph described the incoming head of the EPA thusly:
"Mr Ebell is a denier of climate change, currently works at the Competitive Enterprise Institute, a free market think tank."
Sigh - no, he does not 'deny' climate change. Idiots.
No wonder I think so little of the press these days.



Walt

OK Lefties,, why is this latest act by "O" not treason?
http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/11/20/report-outgoing-president-shuts-border-aerial-surveillance-program/

Gary Smith

Almost laughable, Berkley Professor Robert Reich's 14 point plan to stop Trump. Isn't this what Dems accused Republicans of doing in 2008? I especially like #13, after you have done everything in your power to obstruct, then evaluate his performance. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
http://yubanet.com/opinions/robert-reich-the-first-100-day-resistance-agenda/

George Rebane

GaryS 318pm - Trump's election reveals that it's harder by the day to find areas of commonality between 'us and them'. When we compare values, mores, worldview, functioning of intellect, ..., we are quickly reduced to admitting that our similarities don't go much between how our noses are located between our eyes and mouths. Unbelievable.

Gregory

denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance

Sounds like Reich has worked through denial and is deep into anger and bargaining. In the meantime, Trump's opinion poll numbers continue to rise.

I fully expect the loyal opposition to do their best to run the Trump administration off its rails but it appears Trump will be pulling one Reagan trick... getting his message to his followers directly. Reports from Trump's "off the record" meeting with elite media today was apparently not as the media expected, a meeting to help define media access... it was reported to be a "f-ing firing squad" where Trump told them what he thought of them, including a labeling of CNN as a pack of liars, possibly because CNN acted like a pack of liars during the election season.

We live in interesting times.

Paul Emery

George

Do you agree with Trumps position on NAFTA that it should be dismantled? This is a test of our "common views"

Bill Tozer

GaryS @3:18

Former Labor Secretary and man of small stature Robert Reich could have saved time writing and just reposted this list. I like #13 on this list as well. #10 ain't bad either. per link below.

Looks like the opposition will go on for awhile. It's already to roll out on a monent's notice. 10,000 trained professional activists to oversee 2 million agitators. Name a cause and they will roll. Smells like Astro-Turf.

http://nypost.com/2015/11/14/how-obama-is-bankrolling-a-non-stop-protest-against-invented-outrage/

Yep, they have an action plan. The only thing they did not count on is they took such a annihilation of their senior management ranks they only have Chucky Schoomer left to roll out in front of the cameras.

Bill Tozer

Gregory@ 3:41: The Trump Towering Inferno.

Boy, I am a man of little faith. I got all worried sick when the Media Bigwigs and assorted soulless despicable hotshot news anchors of the MSM were invited to Trump Towers today. "Darn", I thought, Trump is going to play nice with those who are drooling and ejactulating over the thought of pouring acid down his throat. But, I should have known. Trump is not a Washington politician. How siily of me. Oh me of little faith. Nevermind. Interesting times, indeed. That is change I can believe in.

One thing that caught the Exuatled Members on the 4th Estate is they were given no trigger warning before the blowtorch burned their pretty faces and singled their hair.. Come to think of it, the reason we heard the wailing and gnashing of teeth from sea to shiny sea on Nov. 9th was because the nation was not given a trigger warning. We bad, so very un-PC. Mr. Trump, good move. Trigger warnings are not mandatory.

Bill Tozer

Opps: forgot link. GARY SMITH:

Here is the list R Reich could have copied, with # 10 and #13. My apologies.

http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/09/10/lefts-playbook-satanist-saul-alinskys-13-rules-political-warfare/

Scott Obermuller

It just gets better and better. In this morning's edition of 'the newspaper of record' for Idaho there was an article from the 'extreme' center of the road AP about the issue of electoral college delegates being pressured to change their vote. Of course they led with an example of a Trump delegate. The poor guy just can't bring himself to actually cast his vote for Trump because he is - gasp - a "Christian". Normally we would have the left waving their finger at us and telling us not to inject our religion into American politics or govt. Some how that doesn't seem to be happening this time. Possibly an oversight. Who knows?
Right? Anyhoo - it seems this "Christian" gentleman of the highest moral character has already pledged (on his honor) to vote for the Rep. candidate who wins the election. But now it seems he won't do that because he 'didn't know' Trump would be the candidate. Either having a high moral character isn't what it used to be or the fact that he is just butt stupid remains to be seen.
He has complained that some folks are a bit miffed at his refusal to honor his prior commitment and have issued vile threats in his general direction.
Much later in the article, the authors admit that Trump delegates have been threatened for voting along - gasp - party lines. The headline and the first part of the article are completely misleading in intent.
Keep it up 'liars' - and there will never be another Democrat in the White House.

ScenesFromTheApocalypse

https://i.redd.it/frw9s5w9pzyx.jpg

Walt

Now that the Proggies are a minority, you can hear the demands of affirmative action for the political class in their whining. " We who are now in the minority, demand an equal say."

Bill Tozer

Now the good news. I hope the Dems go full bore balls to the wall Alt-Left. Looks like Chucky Schoomer has ten of his own up for reelection in 2018.......in red states! Maybe Trump will get some cooperation in the Senate....maybe 60 votes....on other things besides massive public works. Not Virginia!

"And to make matters even bleaker for Senate Dems, some of the seats they do hold belong to states that voted for Trump over Hillary Clinton last week. Of the 25 Democratic senators up for re-election in 2018, 10 come from states where Trump won: solid red states Indiana, West Virginia, Missouri, Montana, and North Dakota, along with traditional swing states Michigan (still recorded as likely Trump until all votes are counted), Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida, and Wisconsin—which all voted for Barack Obama in 2008 and 2012. Tim Kaine also faces re-election in Virginia, a battleground state Clinton won only narrowly on Tuesday."

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/11/14/democrats_unlikely_to_take_the_senate_in_2018_midterms.html

Scott Obermuller

At 6:02 - we know it's a phoney picture because she wouldn't be holding a fire arm.

ScenesFromTheApocalypse

"Now the good news. I hope the Dems go full bore balls to the wall Alt-Left."

Ctrl-Left

Paul Emery

Yeah the Repubbers in Nevada |County are going to sing the same song as the Proggies nationally. They can read the same lyrics. Actually the Trumsters lost the popular vote nationally just like they did locally. Pretty funny for sure.

fish

Actually the Trumsters (sic) lost the popular vote nationally just like they did locally.


Be sure and let us know how that works out for ya Paul.

Todd Juvinall

Yes it is funny. As a Constitutionalist it means they were pretty darn smart in the beginning. You are cracking me up with your vitriol. Never happy unless the pot growers get a pass. All the rest is blubber time. What a hoot. How is that vote for Johnson working out?

Paul Emery

Todd

Considering the fact that Californians voted strongly in support of recreational Marijuana (55-45%) what do you think the right thing for the Trump administration to do is? Do you favor States Rights ion this matter?

Paul Emery

Todd

I voted to support the Libertarian Party and not necessarily Johnson. By the way Todd have you ever checked out his record as Gov of New Mexico? Two terms with a budget surplus.

Walt

Our Lefties sure are in need of a 12 step program. Paul has yet to deal with step two. It's going to be a long few months.

Don Bessee

PE- Say this three times while clicking your heels; President Hillary Rodham-Clinton. Did that help take you to where you wanted to be? Thought not. Its President Trump no matter what you whine about. ;-)

Paul Emery

Don I did not vote for Hillary. How many times do I have to repeat that.

Let me ask you the same question that I posed to Todd for your comment. "Considering the fact that Californians voted strongly in support of recreational Marijuana (55-45%) what do you think the right thing for the Trump administration to do is? Do you favor States Rights ion this matter? "

As a Libertarian I am strongly in favor of states rights in this matter. Where do you stand?

Don Bessee

Clicking your heals back to our last conversation PE? ;-)

Todd Juvinall

Yeswe Paul Emery, I am and have always been a majority States Rights man. The abuse of the Commerce Clause to let the EPA and all the other Federal Alphabets into the State has been my thing. And yes, I give as much support to the vote for ganga as you gave to Marriage Rights, Prop 8.

Paul Emery

Todd

AS a Libertarian I believe that the government has no business being in the marriage business, It is a right that cannot be decided by the ballot box. It is "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" as described in the Constitution.

Also Todd locally the swamp is filled with those liberal critters again and what is your side going to do without the Sierra Lizzard to lead the charge in draining the swamp.

Gregory

Paul, what about the government's hand in what arms you choose for your own self defense?

BTW, "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" is not a phrase to be found in the Constitution and has no force of law.

Todd Juvinall

Marriage is between one man and one woman. Two men are a perversion and that is the way of nature.

The swamp is filled with liberals. I agree. Now Mr. Trump will be draining the swamp and the people across America are rejecting liberalism.

Todd Juvinall

Oh and my point destroyed your snark about state's rights. Prop 8 was my destruction of your point and you lost. No defense.

Gregory

Paul, should it be legal for a father to marry his daughter? Mother and son? ... he sure knew who a boy's best friend is... Brother and sister? Pan paniscus and Homo sapiens sapiens?

It really isn't so simple, is it?

Todd Juvinall

Paul wants a homosexual married couple to be able to grow and sell ganga. Simple.

Paul Emery

You got it Todd. You want a government that has the power to enter your bedroom and backyard at will to check out what you're growing and your choice of companionship and personal commitment. That's why I'm a Libertarian and your are a Republican.

Correct Gregory not part of the Constitution, but is part of the Declaration of Independence and an expression of the yearning for freedom that led to the American Revolution. but is used in judicial decisions in questions of equality under the law. Do you believe that definition of marriage is a function of the Government and shopuld be enforceable under law ?


"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Bill Tozer

Paul, a common mistake I have made in the past (my support for Alan Keyes for Prez as an example) was confusing the Declaration of Independence with the Constitution. To follow your agrument using only the DOI, there would be no age of consent.

I once read a quote in The Union from a former unnamed mayor of Nevada City during the leadup to Obamacare. She said basically (my paraphrase) affordable healthcare is a right because having healthcare is part of her pursuit of happiness.

------Todd @ 8:05 AM. A homosexual married couple can now grow and smoke ganja legally. but selling pot is a horse of a different color. What you say about Paul's wants is undoubtedly true, but selling herb is different than growing or smoking it. May be a States Rights issue or even one's pursuit of happiness, but the IRS (Feds) has an insatiable appetite. Heck, all government has an unsatisble appetite. Selling ganja? Is that in the new recreational dope law? I have not read our new laws because I have the right not to. :)

Gregory

Paul, the Declaration of Independence was just that, a big F-U to King George V, along with the reasons why. It has no status in law and even before gay marriage courtesy a SCOTUS ruling, people were free to call themselves married if that's how they felt and I had no problem asking lesbian friends, "How's the wife?". "Marriage equality" was primarily about money and rubbing the noses of Evangelicals into the dirt. Social Security benefits and government pensions, tax issues, etc. Forcing some Evangelical schmucks running a small bakery out of business because they didn't want to bake a gay wedding cake? Really?

As an aside, I heartily recommend reading the Cliff's Notes Jefferson used while drafting the Declaration, John Locke's 2nd Treatise on Government, one of the best things I was ever forced to read in college, right up there with the Halliday & Resnick Physics and "Medieval Technology and Social Change" by White.

In California, civil unions provided all civil legal benefits possible, except for Federal money and coercing 3rd parties to conform. Back in the '90's I worked for a company that gave full spousal benefits to same sex partners, requiring Civil Union status after that became available and had zero tolerance for workplace intolerance over just about everything. Why? It got in the way of making money for all of us.

Since you're such a Born Again State's Rights advocate, Paul, why wouldn't Marriage be up to the states, which was pretty much the case at the time of the SCOTUS ruling?

Now, this is all a moot point since the SCOTUS has ruled... but while a 5/4 court after the first Trump appointment wouldn't find anything different, a 6/3 or 7/2 majority Scalian court might revise this and other issues. Like Roe v. Wade.


Todd Juvinall

Oh Paul Emery, you always are over the top. OK using your philosophy there is no right for the government to come into your house if you are abusing a child. Can't have that. We are a nation of laws and we all have opinions. You win some and lose some. But 5,000 years of marriage tossed by secular people is not right. You just saw a popular backlash on November 8.

Bill Tozer

This is how I remember the gay marriage debate.

Seems few if any opposed civil unions with the full rights afforded "married" couples. Adoption was a sticking point and perhaps it still is in the public's eye in some quarters, including some gay pundits. The problems that arose from not being legally married (or not having full civil union protections) arose in access to hospital ICU wards that allowed only next of kin in to see the patient, dissolution of property after death, family coverage of healthcare insurance provided by an employer, etc.

The real debate was over the definition of the word marriage. The tradition meaning of the word since man took a woman to be his "wife" and woman chose a man to be her "husband". That was the real sticking point of the debate over gay marriage. Not the legal stuff and afforded protections, but the very definition of the word English word marriage. That became the poke you in the eye stuff. Redefine a word or meaning and poke them Christians in the eye.

Like an enormous amount of laws enacted in civilized society, there are some things we all have to tolerate, but we don't have to condoneq. I always felt that changing laws never changes hearts. That is why the PC mantra is doomed to create a backlash. Pushing to hard. Knife cuts both ways.

Paul Emery

So Bill you believe that laws should be passed to protect the definition of certain words to be consistent with Christian Judea traditions?

George Rebane

re BillT 1019am - My two cents -
http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2013/03/marriage-by-any-other-name.html

Gregory

So Paul, you believe that laws should be passed to make room for Sharia law under the Constitution?

I'm not sure dropping gays head first off of roofs can be accommodated.

Paul Emery

Gregory

tat was a very clumsy effort to change the subject.

Todd Juvinall

My point has flusterated (my new word) Paul Emery. He is all in for ganga state's rights but not homosexual marriage being usurped by the Feds. So which is Paul? Prop 8 was voted in by our state's [people?

Don Bessee

Tit for tat PE? ;-)

Gregory

Paule 1056, "tat" was a fine effort to blunt your effort to change the subject.

Marriage exists because of reproductive biology and "Judeo-Christian" is just one tradition that honors that relationship, with the oldest known family burial being this stone age family killed nearly 5,000 years ago.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/11/081117-stone-age-family.html

Marriage is the only word I know of that encapsulates the relationship succinctly.

Paul Emery

So Gregory if reproductive biology is the criteria for defining the word marriage should there be another word for couples getting married who are beyond the age of child bearing?

Don Bessee

Viagra?

Todd Juvinall

Paul Emery is in to his dopey questions again. My goodness the man is really out there.

Answer Gregory's question Paul Emery. Is it OK for a man to marry his sister or his mother under your definitions?

Bill Tozer

Paul @ 10:37 AM. No, just saying the Left is always changing the historical and cultural meaning of a word or words to fit their purposes. I would hazard to guess we both believe there are too many laws and ordinances and regulations with the force of law already on the books. With that disclaimer out of the way, I believe the man on the street for the last thousand years defined the word "marriage" was the union of man (husband) and woman (wife). That includes bigamy.
It is the Left that passes laws to turn asunder the definition of words as commonly accepted and understood to redefine the terms of the argument.

While I am at it, here is a pet peeve of mine due to recent events. Take the word violence. The current PC trend is to take violence from an understood and accepted physical act to equating violence with the spoken word. One and the same now. Yes, we know the phrase "inciting violence" may or may not be a physical activity in and of itself, but that is akin to 1st, 2nd, 3rd degree murder and involuntary manslaughter. Those are legal terms to clarify the meaning of "taking another's life."
That is not what I am taking about. It is taking my spoken word directed to a specific listener on our campuses (add gov't and the workplace) and calling it violence. That bothers me because it is a dangerous trend, IMHO.

I have pondered this rapidly growing trend of skewing commonly accepted definitions of words that is spreading like gangrene across America in the context of Free Speech and various aspects our 1st Amendment. I wondered how we got to the place where someone merely writing the word "Trump" in chalk on campus steps is considered a threat, hateful, violence, and a host of other bad socially unacceptable things. Then it hit me. The only way to usurp the 1st Amendment and enforce group think as law (not to mention making contrary opinions illegal via enforcement) is through Title IX.
Yes, we need protections of minority rights. But we do not need laws such as Title IX that can suppress minority viewpoints and become tyrannical . Just saying perhaps it's time to revisit Title IX and make sure it does not supersede our inalienable rights.....me thinks it can't hurt to keep Title IX from casting too dark of a shadow and blocking out the sunlight. Just my opinion...

George Rebane

The correct (and precise) definition of words has been a determined fetish on these pages form since their inception.
http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2016/09/tongue-tied-in-america.html
http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2007/12/when-you-own-th.html

Bill Tozer

Doc:
But what does a green letter seven taste like? :). Happy Thanksgiving Dr. Rebane. 2016 gave us much to talk about and much to be thankful for. We dodged a bullet which is on my gratitude list.

Paul Emery

Tozer and George

Can you show me what constitutional authority gives the government the task of defining words?

Gregory

"So Gregory if reproductive biology is the criteria for defining the word marriage should there be another word for couples getting married who are beyond the age of child bearing?" PE 1ish

Paul, let me help you with your critical reading skills... what I wrote was

Marriage exists because of reproductive biology and "Judeo-Christian" is just one tradition that honors that relationship, with the oldest known family burial being this stone age family killed nearly 5,000 years ago.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/11/081117-stone-age-family.html

Marriage is the only word I know of that encapsulates the relationship succinctly.

If you are trying to make the case that marriage exists because of some force besides reproductive biology, please make that case. In fact it is also the case that Loving v. Virginia came down on the side of "it ain't the government's business" *BECAUSE* of reproductive biology, not the fun parts you prefer your partner to have and the fun parts your partner prefers you to have.


Gregory

PE 549

Just how do you think laws can be written without great specificity as to the meanings of key words as taken or intended by a legislature? Especially when you have Bubba the attorney answering under oath that it depends on what the meaning of "is" is.

Todd Juvinall

I suggest PE look at his insurance policies. The first few ages are what the words mean. That is how it is done. Look at the County General Plan, same thing. Every word is given a meaning and voted on. Tedious but necessary as we see Paul's confusion. Yje Constitution gives the legislature broad powers to make law and definitions are part of that power.

Bill Tozer

Hi Paul. No authority I know except when the courts struggle over words like obscene. Like the Supreme Court said, you know it when you see it. Can you cite what authority government has to change a definition of any word?

This is one man's opinion. Government does not make laws defining individual words. Culture and language does the definition thang. Simple.

Oh, forgot the friggin' disclaimer. The FCC indeed issues a list of banned words defined as naughty that ain't supposed to be uttered over the airwaves. Even NCTV can't run spanky movies at 3:AM, a prank that has happened on Community Access Television as well as commercial broadcasts....one went 6 hours on a news station in Houston (I believe) and nobody called in to complain, but I digress. :)

My new interest is currently trying to disprove the theory that "politics is downstream of culture." Or as Mr. Savage told Trump in 2011, anyone who runs on language, culture, and borders would win. It's what makes us Americans, the ties that bind.

Lawyers haggle over the meaning of words and their nuances . They pull these words out of existing languages such as Latin and English, The English words are found in a thing called an English Dictionary whose words have been developed after centuries of the influences of cultures. Or, the just replace the English word for marriage with the Arabic or Islamic or Greek or Latin or Chinese word for marriage. Better now?

George Rebane

PaulE 549pm - OK, as soon as you show me where I made such an assertion. Now that doesn't mean that I don't promote the precise definition of words - especially in laws, contracts, and agreements - that can be supplied ad hoc by whoever is party to such codicils.

Bill Tozer

Shouldn't you be in California by now?

Start at the middle of page 2. For Russ

http://www.forbes.com/sites/patrickgleason/2016/11/23/calexit-means-american-taxpayers-wont-have-to-bailout-californias-ticking-pension-time-bomb/#668bf55a9c65

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