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21 December 2016

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Scott Obermuller

The system master control algorithm will, of course, have to have a social justice vectoring side control to make sure folks of population-proportionate skin colors will be targeted no matter what other levels of danger are detected.
Anyway - I say no to such a system as it will end up costing 10 times the original estimate and will end up being used against any group not favorable to the govt even if they pose no threat at all.
In any free and open society, evil will find a way to cause mischief. Let's work on getting rid of the evil. I think you'll find the public is starting to wake up to the fact that waves of Irish and German and various eastern Euros didn't bring us this kind of constant mayhem.

George Rebane

ScottO 237pm - Good points Scott. The use against legitimate government opposition is real, but so it is with today with military SWATs and MRAPs. LASS is a suggestion for homeland use while we're fighting the ragheads elsewhere.

Russ

Once we create the killing machines and control them with AI recognition capabilities, during an update, the killing machines will take over and start eliminating IR signatures. It will all be accidental, not what people intended, but at some point, they will create a device that will assume control. A sister of Hall in every major city, killing every thing that moves. Humans and all warm-blooded animals will be considered useless rodents that are consuming critical resources. Yes, let's create LASS and install an all knowing AI controllers, but watch those updates.

George Rebane

Russ 504pm - The killing machines are already created; their autonomous deployments are classified. The LASS described above has no autonomous killing machines in its suppression subsystem which is human mediated. The autonomous AI functions are limited to the surveillance subsystem. But as with all such systems, we can't tell what V2.0 will be made to do - that is a political decision. In any case, the genie about which you worry is real and already out of the bottle.

Bill Tozer

Instead of having all these surveillance devices and armed guards on every street corner and in the middle of every block, why not just nip the problem in the bud and don't let Islamic Terrorists Jihads in in the first place. Seems that will protect us and our liberties more than watching after the fact video tapes of what happened. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Penny wise and pound foolish.

About Ragheads....Opps....Little folded sheet heads.....already here who hate gays, all non-believers of the Pedophile Prophet, believe in honor killings and wife beatings, female mutilation, slavery, sex slave trafficking, well.....rub them in bacon grease until they promise to behave. That would be humane and less expensive than having thousands of security details watch them 24/7. We have a big deficit to consider and well as our civil liberties. Yes, the price of bacon is soaring, but more cost efficient than LASS, which could be remotely controlled by a Islamic Jiihadist infiltrator in disguise. Who cares if bacon grease falls into the wrong hands....it ain't going to kill ya. :)

George Rebane

BillT 945am - Surveillance devices are already on every street corner Mr Tozer. And LASS does not call for "armed guards on every street corner"; it does exactly the opposite by greatly reducing the presence of armed security personnel in public spaces. I'm sorry I didn't explain it well enough for you to understand.

Not letting "Islamic Terrorists Jihads in in the first place" is no longer an option. There are over 3M Muslims in the US, and according to cited attitude surveys an enormous number of them support the global Islamist objectives. From these we may continue to see more acts of terror from those who become self-radicalized. Too late for that ounce of prevention; now any attempt to improve security will take pounds.

fish

Dr. Anderson and Dr. Peterson attempt at a diagnosis.


Michael Anderson says:

December 21, 2016 at 4:57 pm

That’s a nice find, Chris.

Speaking of crazy authoritarian ideas, here’s one that a friend just emailed to me. Talk about nutty!
http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2016/12/large-area-surveillance-and-suppression-system.html

Reply

Chris Peterson says:

December 22, 2016 at 9:29 am

So sad; such a brilliant mind wasted.

An Estonian immigrant who has devoted his life, and extensive American education, to the pursuit of eliminating as many fellow humans he may find undesirable from as safe a distance as possible. (A trait he no doubt picked up in his experience as an artillery officer, which explains his obvious distain for actual “combat” veterans as being too costly and ineffective.)
From his parents recollections of being cared for in a post war camp for refugees, (an experience he was without a doubt too young to personally remember), he has sought to distance himself from the truly hard work of promoting peace, and removing as many obstacles to it as possible, and instead focused on the far easier task of devising new and improved methods for killing the social outcasts of today’s society.

War, and social insurrection, should be a messy and horrific spectacle,never an armchair occupation, and never left to the drawing boards of those who would remove the human equation as much as possible. As we’ve seen in recent times, such as no more footage of the returning caskets, the farther removed we are from the actual carnage, the more it proliferates. Eating donuts and drinking lattes while monitoring fellow citizens for possible annihilation at the touch of a button is a far uglier existence than the actual act of murder itself, no matter the cause. The X, Y, and Z of his calculations has a certain insanity to them; such as Pol Pot meets Rube Goldberg.

We all revile an Orwellian future, but in Rebanes’ Ruined Nation, we have found a zealous architect of just such an existence.


I wonder if Dr. Peterson would feel as collegial towards Dr. Anderson after reading Michaels positively turgid post considering what Apache helicopters would do to the Tea Party members and people in Southern Nevada who he deemed insufficiently deferential towards federal power!

Speaking of crazy authoritarian ideas indeed!

fish

Sorry that was the ammo purchasing thread.....it had nothing to do with l'affaire Bundy!

George Rebane

fish 1036am - Right on schedule Mr fish, thanks. But something to again note is that your report of the progressives' response underlines why their public policies are so off the mark. They have no ability to consider any idea on its merits, and instead immediately fall to denigrating the messenger. Sadly, it is a behavior that in such minds is long ingrained and religiously passed on.

fish

Posted by: George Rebane | 22 December 2016 at 10:42 AM

I confess I'm less than thrilled with the need for a system like this. I'd rather just allow everybody who feels up to the task to carry concealed...not much help during a truck attack I grant you but useful in instances like Riverside and the Pulse Nightclub incidents. For the Nice attack and this most recent one I don't have any answers.


Bill Tozer

Dr. Rebane @ 10:12 am.

You made it clear. It was I who failed to read with undivided attention. Haste makes waste. I would hate to live in a world like that....which I will probably see sooner than later. I see no alternatives. Alas.
So, I take that as a "no" to the bacon grease remedy.

Paul emery

George would your ideas help prevent gun violence and killings such as tthat perpetrated by the likes of. Dylan Roof?

Paul Emery

More about Dylan Roof. What recommendations do you have to prevent these types of gun deaths?

Todd Juvinall

Too late but the death penalty enforced with speed may help.

fish

They have no ability to consider any idea on its merits, and instead immediately fall to denigrating the messenger. Sadly, it is a behavior that in such minds is long ingrained and religiously passed on.


No need to think when it's so much more fun to just cluck!

George Rebane

Administrivia - If a reader decides to post other blogs' comments here, please take care to vet them with the question, 'Would this comment and commenter be a welcome contributor to RR comment streams?' If the answer is no, then please just provide a link to where the comment was originally posted. I'm trying to limit the amount of horseshit in these comment streams. Thanks.

PaulE 1222pm - I'm not sure to which of my ideas you refer. But LASS definitely would not prevent the Dylan Roof or San Berdoo type indoor killings, nor is it intended to. The only chance of limiting such killings is if one or more of the intended victims is able to engage the killer and fire back. But defending oneself in such a manner and at such a place is politically incorrect. Much better to accept the killings and move on.

Paul Emery

Wow!!

Thanks George

Paul Emery

George

Statisticsa show that some 13,286 people were killed in the US by firearms in 2015, according to the Gun Violence Archive, and 26,819 people were injured [those figures exclude suicide].

How the US compares: The number of gun murders per capita in the US in 2012 - the most recent year for comparable statistics - was nearly 30 times that in the UK, at 2.9 per 100,000 compared with just 0.1.


Apparently this is nothing to worry about according to you the only solution is to have more people with guns.

ScenesFromTheApocalypse

http://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/guns4.jpg

George Rebane

PaulE 226pm - Paul, Paul, Paul, you have to enlarge your sources of information to include some beyond the usual socialist propaganda outlets. The above figure (also pointed to by Scenes 258pm) has explained it here before, apparently with no significant impact.

And I note that you and your ken continue ascribing all these sentiments to me as if I were their originator. While I'm honored, I cannot take all the credit and have to admit that there are one or two others in the land who share these thoughts.

Paul Emery

So you are questioning the stats provided buy the Gun Violence Advocates because that is a Socialist Propaganda outlet. Let me find another source that I will tag the same question.

Here's another source

"According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, in 2013, there were 73,505 nonfatal firearm injuries (23.23 per 100,000 U.S. citizens); 11,208 homicides (3.5 per 100,000); 21,175 suicides; 505 deaths due to accidental/negligent discharge of a firearm; and 281 deaths due to firearms-use with "undetermined ...


once again

Apparently this is nothing to worry about according to you the only solution is to have more people with guns.

Don Bessee

What percentage were illegal guns used by gang bangers killing each other PE 343pm? ;-)

Don Bessee

Since we know there will be no response to my 516pm, 28 Days to President Trump PE!

Paul emery

Who knows don. Killing is killing wouldn't you say?

What ideas do you have to prevent the Dylan rRoof type of killer?

Don Bessee

No PE, killing an intruder or an attacker or protecting another is lawful. Criminals killing with a stolen gun in the commission of a crime is something all together different, illegal. ;-)

Walt

All those laws that are supposed to guns out of the hands of felons worked great.. Didn't they Paul? Just write another law,, and everything will be hunky dory.

Ignor the local news where a handgun stopped the SOB with a shotgun. No need to go into the lowlife's history here. It's in the local rag.
Paul,, you going to complain that the handgun wasn't locked up? (good thing it wasn't)

Up here 911 is more than minutes away. Don't forget that seconds count.

Paul Emery

Don

I'm sure a breakdown on those numbers is available but back to the gist of this rr post raised the question as to what ideas George had to lower the overall rate of gun violence in this country which is off the charts more than any country in the modern world and he responded by saying give more guns to everyone and they will take care of the problem. Are you in agreement with George on that statement.

Also what would you propose we should do to eliminate Dylan Roof type racial terrorism?

george, that question is for you as well since you are the originator of this post.

Don Bessee

Now Paul, you know better than to fib on statistics @645, shame on you. The real list of gun violence by county is;
Honduras
El Salvador
Venezuela
Jamaica
Switzerland
Guatemala
Columbia
S. Africa
Brazil
Panama
Uruguay
Mexico
Then US

PE the fact is places long ruled by team lefty are the pits of death that push the Black and national rates higher. Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore and so on. Shame on you guys. ;-)


Paul Emery

What is your source of that information Don?

Don Bessee

Lets talk about the dem strongholds that are pits of death PE. ;-)

George Rebane

PaulE 343pm - This conversation is technically 'insane' because you insist on making connections which are not there. Your attempted point is that more guns in the population contribute to more gun violence. That is not true according to the CDC as shown in the graph. And when analyzed, the gun violence that does exist is of a specialized kind limited to very special and unfortunate cultural groups. Unfortunately, these are the same cohorts that progressives have sought to maintain in their current conditions of desperation to retain as guaranteed voting blocks. Paul, your agenda here is both naked and without merit.

Gregory

Paul,

Do you really think the availability of firearms drives suicide rates, or is it more to do with the number of people who want to commit suicide?

If gun availability and ownership rates drove violence, Salt Lake City would be the murder capital of the country.

Paul Emery

George
Theorigin of my input on your entry is that you were proposing a massive government surveillance and response program to deal with terrorism deaths which are a tiny percentage of overall gun deaths in our country.you then expressed no interest in pursuing solutions to overall gun deaths. You have also showed no interest in speculating about what ca be done to reduce Dylan Roof racial terrorism
Here is a summary from the American Journal of Medicine that compares us to other affluent countries.
US Comparisons with Specific Countries

The US firearm homicide rate was 7 times higher than that of the second highest country, Canada (3.6 vs 0.50 deaths per 100,000 population). The US firearm homicide rate was 600 times higher than the rate of the lowest country, Korea (3.6 vs 0.006 deaths per 100,000 population). The US total homicide rate (5.3 homicides per 100,000 population) was 2 times higher than the rate of the second highest country, the Czech Republic (which had 2.57 homicides per 100,000 population), and 18 times higher than the rate of the lowest country, the United Kingdom (0.30 homicides per 100,000 population) (Table 4).

You can dig into more details at this link.

http://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(15)01030-X/fulltext

Gregory

"Killing is killing wouldn't you say?"

A possibly apocryphal Old West exchange:
"Judge, you let the murderer go, but you hanged the horse thief. Why?"
"I've met men who needed killing but I ain't never seen a horse that needed to be stole."

Justifiable homicide is a good thing. Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

Gregory


Paul, for some politically incorrect fun, crunch the stats from your 7:25 only for white Americans, or Asian Americans.

Don Bessee

What a liberal white guilt link PE, High income countries in 2010 geeze. In honor of your obsession compulsion with all things Julian Assange of WikiLeaks infamy I went to your friends at Wikipedia. ;-)

Walt

Paul. All men are not born equal. Samuel Colt fixed that problem.

Now... There is something called the 2ND Amendment. Maybe you have heard of it? Read " shall not be infringed",, yet plenty of "infringement" has taken place.
It comes right after the 1ST. One your really enjoy the rights of. You ready for that to be infringed upon? How bout it "news guy"?How many lives have been ruined by "unregulated" journalism? The press can pretty much say what they like.." Fist Amendment" ya' now. " WE don't need to expose our sources" and all that BS. "The Press",, is supposed to be the watchdog on government. Well who has been screwing the pooch? Now "the press", is it's happy lap dog.(up until Trump came along.)

George Rebane

PaulE 725pm - This blog has a ten year record of my solutions to the gun deaths that matter. None of them are suitable for you or your progressive brethren - hence the Great Divide.

Paul emery

So what you're saying George is if I want to get an answer I have to read your book. Are you getting tired of doing this or something?i

Don Bessee

No worries Dr. R, our world view is again going to be the view of the FED's and SCOUTS for a generation! ;-)

Don Bessee

PE- In 4 hours it will be 27 days to President Trump, although he is already shaping world events and energizing domestic optimism as well as hope for change! ;-)

Paul Emery

Can't have you given up any attempt to documenting things you say ?@’

Paul Emery

Meant to say Don have you given up ...

Walt

Paul is REALLY frazzled. Typos DEEELUX tonight. Time to change the bong water.

How bout it Paul? Since the 2ND Amendment can be infringed, why not the 1ST where "the press" is concerned? A call to an end to "undisclosed sources" is fully in order.

Walt

OH Yaaa.. A reminder to Paul,,, Don't forget it was the LIBS in Sac. that reduced the criminality of GUN CRIMES in the state. Gun theft is pretty much a misdemeanor now. Yup,, that's "tough on crime".

Don Bessee

In PE's world its bong dark 30 Walt! ;-)

George Rebane

PaulE 757pm - No, but you do have to remember my documented positions on issues and the tenets of my credo, all available for your perusal and critique (use the search function on TypePad or Google). Find something in there that you would like to critique or expand on. I am tired of having these 'Hello World!' conversations as if each issue were introduced in the last comment stream. Circling the barn is not as much fun for me as it may be for others. Let's have these debates build on what was said before. Capice?

Walt

Just not going there Paul? The lack of "journalistic integrity" will be alive and well for a long time.

Paul Emery

George

You should appreciate and humor me as at least someone who brings a little debate to these pages. Your down to about three or four chest pounders and me who bother to participate. Otherwise your blog will just be the "world according to George a couple of his saddle pals."

All for me tonight. Got a book to read

Don Bessee

'little debate' is at least a factual close. I really do appreciate the humor. Peace out PE. Yippee Kaiya! ;-)

Todd Juvinall

Paul Emery does not understand blogs it appears.

Walt

Kinda one sided there Paul. It's a little frustrating to "debate" (and disingenuous on your part) someone who 90% of the time ends every last sentence with a " ? " . Then promptly changes the subject when hopelessly cornered.(which is often.)

Gregory

Paul, you made it clear you have a fan club that reads this blog and doesn't comment. It should do them some good to see what questions you avoid and what arguments you lose. Perhaps, if they exist, they'll join in, though they would have to get over the fact that the hard left can't be seen talking to libertarians or conservatives.

Todd Juvinall

Most pople come read and look but don't post. My blog surprised me when I see so many looks yet few posts. Don't judge a book by its cover I was taught.

Paul Emery

Not exactly a fan club more like curious onlookers.

Don Bessee

Try a hot toddy with some hash oil to help your sleep PE, tis the season. ;-)

fish

More senseless gun violence eh Uncle Paul......


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4061096/Danish-police-say-man-matching-description-Berlin-lorry-attack-suspect-seen-Aalborg.html

George Rebane

PaulE 842pm - Paul, my readership and blog related correspondence are more than I ever hoped for. And I have to believe that neither is due to the barn circling and snark that unfortunately persists in these comment streams. I am overjoyed when commenters post thoughtful repartees and mini-essays to reveal something new they have read or thought, or bring forth an argument that moves the peanut ahead in our discussions. Mine and every commenter's full record is available through RR search or Google (just include 'Rebane's Ruminations' with your keywords). We respect each other when we build on an exchange, we don't when we ignore what the other has already said (often repeatedly).

fish

Posted by: George Rebane | 23 December 2016 at 06:38 AM


Ah but George....the snark is so much more fun!

You've been putting for reasoned arguments for certainly longer than I've been here and as you yourself say the "opposition" is wholly incapable of engaging (Okay ....maybe Frisch...a little). This thread about what to do in situations where a large vehicle is used as a weapon prompted the the two comments I left here yesterday and later a hijacking of the thread (yes...I'm guilty too) by Uncle Paul to fixate on something dear to his heart but completely off topic.

I didn't start out as an online jerk......I devolved into one after repeated exposure to smug lefty dimwits.

Todd Juvinall

To top it off. I m on FB both as a public person and in some "closed groups". I even formed one called "Nevada County Debates". Keachie has some as well. Anyway, when you look at the membership numbers in the closed groups versus the number of commenters it is fascinating. Less than one percent leave a comment. Mst are readers. These blogs are no different.

Paul Emery

George your ideas are already obsolete According to trump all we need to do is have more nukes

"The United States must greatly strengthen and expand its nuclear capability until such time as the world comes to its senses regarding nukes"'

fish

Posted by: Paul Emery | 23 December 2016 at 08:40 AM


......sigh

Paul Emery

Fish in your view what do you think Trump meant by the world coming to its senses? Help me here I might have missed some profound wisdom from our next president

fish

Posted by: Paul Emery | 23 December 2016 at 09:15 AM


Sorry Paul....I'm excusing myself from the Uncle Paul Ask sThe Questions Rope-a-Dope until there is a little more back and forth. Oh yeah....staying on topic will probably benefit both of us (I'll try harder too) immensely!

John

What Paul does not comprehend about the increase in guns and decrease in homicide rate chart is the fact that there are 300 million +/- guns in private hands in the U.S. and only a tiny fraction, .0004% of those +/-, are used in a homicide. The remaining 299,988,000 +/- are in the hands of responsible, law abiding gun owners. More guns = less crime, on a crime per gun basis. Pretty simple concept.

Bill Tozer

Fish @ 9:25
I agree 100% with your two points: I am also excusing myself from Rope A Dope with Strawmen and vowing to stay on topic henceforth. Off to the Sandbox.

Todd Juvinall

Me too. I'll try not to engage but it is tough having lived by the Socratic all my life.

Walt

In Kalif.,, the LIBS are a little late.
http://www.infowars.com/trumpocalypse-suddenly-liberals-are-the-ones-stockpiling-food-guns-and-emergency-supplies/
Yet it's those with Lefty leanings that commit the majority of gun crimes.

Todd Juvinall

We know the left is filled with criminals. Why else would the democrat governors want them to have voting rights in jail?

Bill Tozer

Dr. Rebane.
Upon further consideration, nothing wrong incorporating new technogy into public safety. It's going to happen with or without my input. LE always fights to get the newest and best technology to protect d serve. It's on their wish list, whether they get it our not. The details will be worked out, but if less law enforcement are needed with better protection of fellow citizens going about their lives, go for it.

When I think of the unprecedented security needed to cover the latest Gay Pride Parade in W. Hollywood....mind blowing and a budget crusher for the city and when I think of the last and next New Years Ball Drop in NYC, well........it takes an army of police officers with the latest technology already.

What has happened here?? The Gay Pride parades never needed so much security and crowd protection before! Same with any good fun major event....in every big city in our Nation. What caused this? Oh yeah, Ragheads are the biggest thread to our countrymen and visitors alike, gay or not.

Stopping a good sized truck racing toward a crowd in its tracks is a different challenge. Sure, we do it around the White House with barricades and we close off streets around things like the DNC Convention in Philly.....to keep the bad guys out...like terrorists and other Bernie types, and suicide trucks, of course.

Technology can disable newer vehicles remotely and through using "ray guns", but disabling the ole Betsy truck needs some thought and new technology, IMHO.

Scott Obermuller

"More about Dylan Roof. What recommendations do you have to prevent these types of gun deaths?"
Yes - more and more. endlessly.
Isn't the question about how we will try to prevent nut jobs from killing innocent people?
No - Paul is only concerned with a white man using a gun to kill blacks.
If it were a black killing whites, Paul would not be the least bit concerned.
If it was someone killing blacks using a vehicle or gasoline, Paul wouldn't be concerned.
I had always thought we should be concerned with innocents being killed no matter what the color of the perp or the victim and the means of slaughter.
But that's boring.
And doesn't fit the left's real intention of depriving Americans of their Constitutional rights.

Scott Obermuller

Forgot the link
http://www.redding.com/story/news/local/2016/12/22/horrific-attack-leaves-burney-area-residents-reeling/95776678/
How does Paul propose to end this sort of violence?
Bicycles clearly need to be banned - or gasoline.
Or hoodies.
Where are Paul's solutions?
Nowhere to be found.
The question clearly has nothing to do with violence and mayhem.
The question Paul is asking is how can we get rid of American citizens' rights.
The answer is - you're not. Because of the 2nd amendment.
And don't worry, Paul. We'll die for your right to ALL of the rights.
Unlike your hand wringing about icky human stuff.
Jerk.

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