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11 April 2017

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Paul Emery

George if I were to except your argument about the obsolescence of declared war being a precedent for military response what kind of insurance would we have that would prevent a president from using military force purely at his whim ? What process in your view should be in place as a check and balance to That potential Abuse of power which may have been used in all recent history Vietnam being an example

Paul Emery

Sorry for the spelling I'm not very good at this kind of typing

Paul Emery

I mean the current administration as expressed Who the views of trumps press secretary doesn't even acknowledge that Hitler use chemical weapons in World War II Difficult to trust the judgment of this administration

Paul Emery

Let me rewrite this...

I mean the current administration policy, as expressed by the views of Trumps press secretary, doesn't even acknowledge that Hitler used chemical weapons in World War II Difficult to trust the judgment of this administration

fish

Posted by: Paul Emery | 11 April 2017 at 04:27 PM


Chemical weapons in combat were barely used at all Paul.

Paul Emery

Fish

Are you saying that there was not a war against the Jewish people and others perpetuated by Hitler that used chemical weapons?

Don Bessee

It was the Imperial Japanese who were the most profligate user of germs and gas on the Chinese. Hitler on the other hand who had been personally gassed in WWI was not big on the battlefield use. The Nazis started with bullets then carbon monoxide before settling on the gas bug spray zyklon for industrial mass killing in the camps.

Here is the conversation topic I have seen nowhere in the lamestream media; given that Syria has gas and has massive debts to Iran, does any question the likelihood that the Iranians and Hezbollah have it also?

So if Hezbollah drops gas filled rockets on Israel what will the nuke holding Israelis do in response, especially given the WWII Jewish experience?

George Rebane

PaulE 515pm - Are you being silly on purpose? You really gotta work on your gotcha questions.

Paul Emery

George

The Comment that Fish made is really stupid Yet you choose to question my language Good grief. I mean he says chemical weapons were barely used by the Germans

Gregory

Paul Emery, words mean things. The gas chamber at San Quentin wasn't a "weapon" and neither were the gas chambers in Nazi death camps used in their industrial scale exterminations. A chemical weapon of mass destruction would typically be a bomb or artillery shell that could be used on a battlefield whether rural or urban.

The Nazis invented Sarin and could have weaponized the stuff but they didn't. The cyanide poisons they used in their mass killing chambers had been tried in WW1 gas attacks but didn't work very well.

A grandfather I never knew was a US Army soldier in WW1 and was gassed, mustard, I think. He recovered. Nasty stuff. Apparently Hitler also got a snootful of that crap as a soldier in that war and there is some speculation that's the reason he didn't want to use chemical weapons on the battlefield.

So no, the Nazis didn't use chemical weapons and this is yet another "journalistic" feeding frenzy.

Don Bessee

What's wrong with Fish @ 449 po' ol' PE? ;-)

Paul Emery

GREGORY what was the point that trumps guy was trying to say if not that Assad was worse than Hitler

Bill Tozer

Look at WW1 if you need to see why chemical warfare was banned internationally. WW2, not much used if at all, on major battlefields.

Gregory

PAUL he said what he said. Try a quote rather than the Paul Emery emotional interpretation.

Here's a chemical journal's treatment of the subject:
"Third Reich chemists invented the devastating chemical weapons, but the Nazis didn’t deploy them against the Allies during World War II"
http://cen.acs.org/articles/94/i41/Nazi-origins-deadly-nerve-gases.html

Walt

Good Lord. Paul is trying to talk history again. It never turns out well for Paul.

Paul Emery

No one said they deployed them against us but they sure did deploy chemical weapons against the Jews and the gypsies so what's the point of what he was trying to say ?

Todd Juvinall

Trump's guy Estes win the open seat in Kansas 4. The press was doing their thing again. Oh my will this be a trend on Trump's popularity? etc. blah blah blah. Oh golly Estes won.

fish

Posted by: Paul Emery | 11 April 2017 at 07:51 PM

The temptation to pile on here in the face of your obvious confusion is overwhelming! So I'm not going to.

[Missing italics termination was again needed at the end of your comment. gjr]

Paul Emery

Yeah fish is fish you lay low on this one I agree

Paul Emery

I mean even Spicer himself is basically begging for forgiveness at this point I actually kind a like him. It was a really stupid thing to say and he knows it

Paul Emery

Spicer Quote " I made a mistake and beg for forgiveness "

Paul Emery

Correction " I made a mistake and ask for forgiveness "

Todd Juvinall

So forgive him. That is the Druid way right? Or is it decapitation?

Paul Emery

I forgive him Todd. He's asking for forgiveness do you forgive him ?

George Rebane

fish 814pm - You know, you really ought to give up on using italics in these comment streams. It's getting tiresome cleaning up after you;-)

Paul Emery

Todd I don't see you forgiving Spicer like I did. Isn't that the Christian thing to do ? druids beleave in forgiveness if a person confesses to doing something really stupid like he did I guess that doesn't qualify under your Christian ethic.

Todd Juvinall

Paul Emery you are just too funny.

fish

Posted by: Paul Emery | 11 April 2017 at 08:21 PM

Yeah fish is fish you lay low on this one I agree

???? More of your patented "Triple S" sentence stylings following another of your "episodes".

Paul Emery

Todd

The local Druid Clump (that's what we call a congregation) will be hosting a log pounding session for you next full moon, April 30, helping you to cleanse yourself of the guilt of casting judgement on Sean Spicer and not accepting his apology for saying something stupid.

Todd Juvinall

Sure, time and place and I'll be there. Can I tape it for Gil?

Bonnie McGuire

Here's some history involving chemical warfare. Beware of human natures constant mental/spiritual warfare...
https://www.chemheritage.org/distillations/magazine/a-brief-history-of-chemical-war

Bill Tozer

1:45 pm
Two full moons in April? The recent one (like yesterday) explains a lot.

Robert Cross

Are you people out of your minds? You are arguing the semantics of whether or not gassing millions of people in gas chambers constitutes a "battlefield" use of chemical weapons. Gassing people is murder, period, whether it's dropped from a bomb, shot in a shell, or distributed via fake shower head. This is insane and it is all about defending Spicer's absurd comment that only demonstrated just how stupid the people in trump's administration really are. Trump is an egomaniac and, as such, would never surround himself with people smarter than he is. Multiple people from "Saturday Night Live" commenting on trump's appearances on the show have said that he could barely read his lines and is basically functionally illiterate. So what does that make Spicer and the rest of trump's crew? And yes, I know they have a lot of money which is by no means any measurement of intelligence, especially when you inherit it.

Todd Juvinall

Sure Robert Cross, you are on to something. Spicer was mistaken. Liberal making the same error are forgiven and given a propmotion. Obama and his 57 states propelled him to the Presidency. And many more. Spicer apologized and I accept it. You can't becasue you are a liberal hack and any error is a firable offnse. Pelosi beat you to it and called for his removal. But hey, you are right, Trump is just a dumbass and 10 billion dollars and a real estate empire proves it. And his election by half the people too. So SNL says he has a issue with reading? My goodness, must be all those contracts and the fine pront from his empire. But of course this is America and even you, a failed bureacrat can diss those much better and more important then you. Good grief.

Paul Emery

Sure you can be there Todd. First you have to go through a purification though. Earthman, our regional spiritual advisor will be in contact with you about details. This is a sacred ceremony that can't be discussed excerpt in person.

Paul Emery

Robert

The amazing thing here is that even though Spicer admitted his mistake there are those who still believe in what he said including some participants on this blog (Todd excepted at this point) including Fish and Gregory. All they had to say is it was a stupid thing to say (Spicer) but instead they tried to justify his thinking. Amazing...

Gregory I recall you jumped all over me when I used a Hitler comparison to some point I was making. Not so this time when Repub Spicer did the same. Curious...

Bill Tozer

Yep. that novice Spicer really stepped in it. Didn't he know that all Hilter comparisons are the sole purview of the Left? What was he thinking?

Todd Juvinall

BillT, true. The left has a sole possession for Hitler comparisons. And when a outsider uses it, it is unacceptable. What a hoot!

Todd Juvinall

The difference Paul Emery of you being chastised for using the Hitler comaprison is easy. Trump has not killed anyone and you use it against him. Spicer was using the killer to killer comaprison. Easy to figure out.

Walt

Speaking of Hitler,, It's the LIB constituency that acts as a close resemblance to the well known "brown shirts".

Bill Tozer

Quote of the day:

“That the missiles are called tomahawks must enrage a lot of Native Americans.” —Mother Jones editor Clara Jeffery (“On behalf of the Jewish people, I am willing to waive all offense if we rename Tomahawk missiles Hebrew Hammers.” —Ben Shapiro)
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Is this what all the fuss was about? Geez, the way Botox Queen Nancy called for Spicer to be fired, I would have thought he quoted Maxine Waters or something ghastly like that.. Is that all there is to a firestorm???

Non Compos Mentis Godwin’s Law Moment of the Week or Whatever: “We didn’t use chemical weapons in World War II. You know, you had someone as despicable as Hitler who didn’t even sink to using chemical weapons.” —Trump spokesman Sean Spicer in a pathetically convoluted attempt to talk about Assad’s chemical weapons use, for which he later apologized.

fish

Posted by: Paul Emery | 12 April 2017 at 04:04 PM

The amazing thing here is that even though Spicer admitted his mistake there are those who still believe in what he said including some participants on this blog (Todd excepted at this point) including Fish and Gregory. All they had to say is it was a stupid thing to say (Spicer) but instead they tried to justify his thinking. Amazing...
Gregory I recall you jumped all over me when I used a Hitler comparison to some point I was making. Not so this time when Repub Spicer did the same. Curious...


Spicer admitted a mistake ....not the mistake.....that the only group who gets to set the Nazi narrative are Jewish special interest groups.

Now to your other point reasonable people when discussing the issue of chemical weapons used during wartime can make the following statement:


1) "Chemical weapons were used extensively by the Germans in combat operations during WWI".


This would be a historically accurate statement.


Reasonable people could also make the following statement:


2) "The Germans used almost no chemical weapons during combat operations during WWII".


Spicer made his claims in the context of the Syrian government delivering chemical weapons from aircraft into the battle zone. Was it stupid? Yes ......for the reasons mentioned above! Was it accurate? Far more accurate than your claim that extermination camp murders were in any way battle or combat related. If you and "Bobby the Pearl Clutcher" want to provide evidence that Assad is herding people into gas chambers I suppose we can discuss that.....but again that wouldn't be combat.

I really can't even get mad at you for arguments like this any more. You make a claim, are shown evidence that it's incorrect and jump right back on your horse to joust with another vaguely related strawman. I don't even think you are being disingenuous anymore, I think your descending into senescence!


Oh.... and if Gregory jumped all over you for making a Hitler reference it's almost certainly because you botched it! Not curious at all!

Walt

On the subject of war,, see the news? We just dropped an industrial sized can of whoopass
in Afghanistan. "O" didn't have the balls to use it,, but Trumps sure does.

Bill Tozer

Walt, days ago on April 13 @ 10:23am.
My, my.
First, calling the Mother of all Bombs (MOAB) "mother" is assuring MOAB's gender. That is a no-no.

Second, the Daisy Cutters and bunker busters are missing their Mother.

Third, that Crazy Fat Kid known as KIM (yes, Kim is a guy) really looked like a crazy fat kid again. I wish I could help him out in his hour of disappointment.

https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/rpp.235086849974878/834012670082290/?type=3&theater

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