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20 June 2017

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fish

Seen elsewhere……


"It does not change much. About 40% of the public is in favor of the Trump administration, and about 60% is opposed. This is bad news with respect to the ability of Trump to be re-elected, but that is 3 1/2 years away. In between now and then, there is probably going to be a recession. That will push Trump's public support lower. But on issues of politics, Trump has not lost support. The media have hammered him repeatedly. He is under investigation. He has no supporters whatsoever anywhere in the media, yet his public approval ratings don't change. The reasons why are varied, but the main one is this: the public that supports them hates the mainstream media, and will pay no attention to it. These people are permanently alienated politically.

The mainstream media are equally hostile. There is nothing that Trump could do to gain support within the mainstream media. So, he has no incentive to do anything that the mainstream media wants him to do. If he were ideological, he could create serious problems for the Democrats in the mainstream media. If he really understood politics, he would submit a budget in which virtually all of the federal executive agencies would be cut back by 25%, and then he would do it again next year.

The only issue which is going to undermine Trump in the hearts and minds of his supporters is a recession. That is going to happen, and he will not be re-elected. As I've said for a long time, I think the Democrats are going to take over both houses of Congress and the White House in 2021. They are going to get to be captains on economic Titanic."


…..and that's when it gets really interesting!

Todd Juvinall

The democrats are unhinged. They are so desperate they say all these programs proposed by Trump and the Congress woill kill thousands. Bernie and Pocahontas said so last night. Sure, the R's that are selliing there wares want their customers to die . You cannot make up the idiocy spewed by the libs. Then today we see the same unhinged crapola by RL Crabb in his unfunny "cartoon". He forgot that it is the left doing all the shooting and violence I guess.

fish

However, those wishing to consider other topics may gain inspiration from the winning entry in a Dutch artwork contest depicting Europe’s multi-culturalism problems that is making the rounds.

How soon before the artist finds him/herself in legal trouble…..hate speech doncha know!

Bill Tozer

Other topics?
1) Guy thang
.....you know, chipping on one another doing that masculinity swinging lasso over the shoulder thing. Guess Chelsea never saw Grand Torino . Boy, them Limousine Liberals are too tightly wound for my blood. Bannon and Spicer's girth can't hold a candle to Dick Morris since he got caught licking hooker's toes. Licking toes and massive weight gain must be some kind of cause and effect. Geeze Louise, look at Rex Ryan, but I really digressed big time. Have no idea where that came from. Anyway, Guy Thang.

https://heatst.com/politics/steve-bannon-makes-fun-of-sean-spicers-weight-upsetting-chelsea-clinton/?mod=sm_fb_post

2) Learning. Knowlege is good. If you want to hide some good juju from someone, but it in a book.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10209545585619755&set=a.10200933714088349.1073741827.1330630599&type=3&theater

Walt

Simple question for the Paul. Do you support ANTIFA? Simple yes or no will do.
Now place your bets everyone. Will Paul even speak on the matter? No guts no glory Paul.
Try and save what little creds you may still posses.

Scott Obermuller

Crabb's cartoon shows that lefties don't even understand the folks they don't like.
"I'm altright and I hate your religion". All sorts of folks have hated all sorts of religions for hundreds of years. Some hate all religions. Why is this suddenly a problem?
"I hate your sexuality".
Really? Which 'sexuality' would that be since there are alt-right straights and gays.
"I hate your foreigness".
I have never heard anyone say that or write that. Ever. Pure fabrication.
"If you're different, I hate you". Sounds like some one on the left, there. I'd love to have Bob demonstrate how he connects that bit with the alt-right.
The last pane is pure nonsense. If Bob wants to review the history of our nation, he'll find that a lot of early arrivals from Europe were extremely intolerant of any religion or mores outside of their own. Most came here simply to have better economic prospects.
Alt-right is the new grab bag boogie man largely concocted by the left.
A cartoon figure whose attributes they can dream up (see Crabb's cartoon) and then tar all conservatives with, using that same broad brush. For the left, it beats trying to come up with facts and examples and logic.

George Rebane

Re ScottO's 1119am - For the record it is important to remember that secular humanists 'hate' all religions as deficits of intellectual reprobates. And secular humanism is the dominant religion of the progressive Left, that implements its hatred through an avalanche of regulations and laws that have pushed almost all vestiges of religion out of the public forums. On the other hand, the fraction of the Christian Right that 'hates' other people's religions is miniscule. However, true to form the Left follows the Alinsky dictum of loudly accusing the other of what they themselves practice - our cartoonist is right in the groove.

Todd Juvinall

What is too funny about Crabb and his pals on the left is they are the "haters". I don't hate anyone. And in my life I have had friends and relatives who he hates alot. He is the hater not we on the right. We just laugh at him and his bogus assertions. Infantile at best. Liberals regard a disagreeement as hate since one is not supposed to say anything except them. I saw Carbb's pals slicing and dicing in Berkeley, up close. He should be ashamed of his propaganda. And his softshoeing his buddies the antifa and commies.

Bill Tozer

Oh my. Even when I think Trump is wrong, he turned out to be right. The Fakenews folks are not going to like this one bit, neither will their puppets who reside near great bodies of water.

http://yournewswire.com/npr-25-million-fake-clinton-votes/

Don Bessee

If its Tuesday it must be Belgium's turn, an explosion at the train station in Brussels and one jihadi with an explosive belt shot. That's a fast growing tree there Dr. R. ;-)

Scott Obermuller

George at 12:11 - True, true. To be fair, there are also plenty of libertarians and conservatives that feel the same about religion in general. Although the percentage is probably a lot smaller.
The left is usually very religious. Humanism has spawned the offshoot of environmentalism. Their god is the all-knowing, all powerful world govt that will magically take good care of everybody equally.
But the left will usually never consider any of that a religion.
There are a few exceptions. There have been some who openly declare that the 'environment' or 'being green' is their religion. Strangely, they also believe that the 'Constitutional separation of church and state' that they normally chatter on about doesn't apply in any way to their church. In fact, they want their religion to be the official state religion.

Don Bessee

How will the fakenewsmen deal with the murder of a muslum girl in VA by an illegal alien. It had started out as an anti-muslum murder narrative. With the arrest of an illegal alien it just totally screws up the Trump supporter narratives doesn't it? ;-)

fish

Posted by: Don Bessee | 20 June 2017 at 01:07 PM


Yes……it was truly a tragedy……the progressive narrative deprived of yet another "Great White Defendant"!

fish

Well the Atlantic is coming clean about electoral deck stacking…..something our own descendant-less Green Libertarian™ has been completely unable to do!


A larger explanation is political. Between 2008 and 2016, Democrats became more and more confident that the country’s growing Latino population gave the party an electoral edge. To win the presidency, Democrats convinced themselves, they didn’t need to reassure white people skeptical of immigration so long as they turned out their Latino base. “The fastest-growing sector of the American electorate stampeded toward the Democrats this November,” Salon declared after Obama’s 2008 win. “If that pattern continues, the GOP is doomed to 40 years of wandering in a desert.”


https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/07/the-democrats-immigration-mistake/528678/

fish

Someone of similar mind…..



With interest rates increasing, I would point out that market behavior has changed. The meteoric rise has stalled. In the past few months stocks have barely budged 1 percent either up or down per week. Except for last week when something strange happened; markets suddenly dropped nearly 400 points in a single day. Why? Well, that is a subject up for debate, but the majority of mainstream news outlets will tell you that it was all Donald Trump’s fault.

I have been warning since long before the election that Trump’s presidency would be the perfect vehicle for central banks and international financiers to divert blame for the economic crisis that would inevitably explode once the Fed moved firmly into interest rate hikes. Every indication since my initial prediction shows that this is the case.

The media was building the foundation of the narrative from the moment Trump won the election. Bloomberg was quick to publish its rather hilariously skewed propaganda on the matter, asserting that Trump was lucky to inherit an economy in ascendance and recovery because of the fiscal ingenuity of Barack Obama. This is utter nonsense!


I would hope he's smart enough to not wind up as somebodies patsy!


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-20/trump-setting-himself-take-all-blame-when-stock-market-tanks

Gregory

BT 1238 You should be ashamed of passing along that incredibly false claim... Pew and NPR wrote nothing of the sort.

PE
Missing from the last sandbox were answers to questions I posed for you to anwswer... here we go:


Paul, I'd be more interested in hearing your excuse for this, given your fine grained outrage shown at 1:21PM:

"Sad to say this is another example of the tragedy of gun violence in America. Will it ever end?"
Posted by: Paul Emery | 14 June 2017 at 09:55 AM

That was your first reaction after the shooting? "Another example of the tragedy of gun violence in America"? As opposed to celebrating the thwarting of a planned multiple assassination of GOP congressmen by a deranged progressive at a baseball practice?

Just hours after the shooting in Virginia stopped, several died at a 'Frisco UPS facility. The guy killed three former associates, then killed himself when the good guys with guns showed up. The moral of the story should be:
1) stronger laws against owning and carrying firearms in San Francisco (aka 'Frisco) specifically and in California in general need to be put into place, or
2) stronger laws supporting and enabling good guys owning and carrying firearms in California in general and 'Frisco in particular are needed.

Posted by: Gregory | 19 June 2017 at 03:23 PM

Also, in that 25 page report written in a furious 9 WEEK period kicked off by President Obama's request once it became clear hell had frozen over and Hillary would not be the next president, the report you use to claim the Russians "hacked the election", that phrase is curiously missing. Where did you pick it up?

Bill Tozer

Oh Gregory, not ashamed in the least. It was a targeted light jab intended specifically for one particular devotee of the Church of Resistance. Was hoping to hear "That is a big fat lie! Put up or show up!" Touchy, touchy.
Yes, not fair to the to those easily disturbed ones already on the edge, but anyone who fell for it will fall for the Russians hacked the elections. Feel no shame, but I can always lie to y'all and act all contrite and throw myself prostrate on the floor and then assume the fetal position awaiting my just desserts. Did like the reference to Pew Research though. Added a little cred to the story. :)
Ok, I am sooooo ashamed of myself for telling the easily paranoid one that he/she has hair on the palm of its hands. "No I don't!"....."Yes, you do indeed".
"Do not!"
"Do too."
"I do not and I can prove it. Be right back to you."
"Having hair on the palm of your hand is the first sign of being a arrogant nincompoop. The second sign is looking for it."
"I choose not to talk to you anymore."
"I am mortally wounded."

Friday shortcuts, many topics, Readers' Digest Version:

Upright: “Either the United States will return to a shared single language and allegiance to a common and singular culture, or it will eventually descend into clannish violence.” —Victor Davis Hanson"
https://patriotpost.us/posts/49693


Gregory

Now, on to the Russia thing. Paul, the issue isn't whether or not Russia tries to hack into any interesting computer in the USA they can find their way to (they do, and so do a number of other countries, most of whom are not our friends). The question is whether there's any truth to the charge that Russia tried to push the election away from Clinton, or that they tried and succeeded. David Brooks, the never Trump "conservative" that's liberal enough for NY Time's staff to not quit when he gets published there, twice a week. His latest is worth reading from start to finish but the finish is awfully good:

There may be a giant revelation still to come. But as the Trump-Russia story has evolved, it is striking how little evidence there is that any underlying crime occurred — that there was any actual collusion between the Donald Trump campaign and the Russians. Everything seems to be leaking out of this administration, but so far the leaks about actual collusion are meager.

There were some meetings between Trump officials and some Russians, but so far no more than you’d expect from a campaign that was publicly and proudly pro-Putin. And so far nothing we know of these meetings proves or even indicates collusion....

The people who hype the politics of scandal don’t make American government purer. They deserve some of the blame for an administration and government too distracted to do its job, for a political culture that is both shallower and nastier, and for fostering a process that looks like an elite game of entrapment.

Things are so bad that I’m going to have to give Trump the last word. On June 15 he tweeted, “They made up a phony collusion with the Russians story, found zero proof, so now they go for obstruction of justice on the phony story.” Unless there is some new revelation, that may turn out to be pretty accurate commentary.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/20/opinion/russia-investigation-trump.html

Let me repeat a past warning, Paul. Trump is being driven into the dirt by a constant drumbeat of Russia, Russia, Russia. If there is no there, there, it will come back and bite the Democratic Party in the ass, as will the collapse of the Global Warming story which is crumbling as I write. What will you write when all there is at the end is proof that Trump and Company were telling the truth all along?

Me, I'll wait until real evidence is produced of an underlying crime. Until them, I'll be happy to have Trump as president in order to be there to nominate more judges and justices who, like Goresuch, are libertarian-leaning Jeffersonian textualists. Or Scalias, Hamiltonian textualists. Or liberal lions like Hugo Black who also was a textualist. In short, judges and justices who think their job is not to invent the law but to interpret the law as written. Imagine that.

Walt

If and when the LIB loses the election today, Paul can always blame it on Russian interference. That excuse is always good.

ScenesFromTheApocalypse

fer Mr. Tozer:

https://i.imgur.com/GAAY8c0.jpg

Bill Tozer

Even the Dems are dropping the collusion thing, so we are now at Russia doing its dastardly deeds without Trump's help....and breaking some obscure statue on the books nobody knew about until TDS strike with a vengeance. Everybody says they will find something. Maybe a campaign adviser has some off shore bank accounts in Ireland or like Bill and Hillary's 2nd NY home that is placed in trust off-shore to shield from lawsuits) and we can dig deeper and find out MORE what exactly s behind Flynn's paychecks for services rendered from his clandestine days in Turkey were really about.
If you slow the tapes of the eavesdropping on Flynn's calls to the Turkey Bigwigs down real slow and play them backwards, there are subliminal messages to be revealed. Working on it as we converse. Treason, collusion, and maybe "pull my finger, comrade" secret handshake stuff.

I think this all goes back to the early campaign when those 30-55k Hillary e-mails done gone missing and she couldn't find them, the State Department couldn't find them. all the King's horses and all the King's men could not find them. The drip, drip, drip of the news from Judical Watch and media FOIA requests started insinuating she had been hacked (remember Guccifer 2.0, the Romanian guy who boasted about reading Hillary's State Department e-mails on his lunch breaks)...... ....well, that is when Trump said that maybe Putin has Hillary's 30,000 missing e-mails, and maybe we should ask the Russians to help a brother out and help us find those e-mails. It was indeed a selfless act of public service by The Donald, not to mention the absolutely terrific slap in the face to Crooked Hillary, the Untouchable,

Yep, Trump wants Russians to hack our computers! Trumps calls for Russians to hack government computers!....and on and on it went. Goes without saying that Trump appears to not help his own cause at times, but in the end he seems to be still standing at the end of the day....sometimes standing tall surrounded by the fallen. And yes, he is my little street fighting man, warts and all. Rosie does kind of have a pig face, now that I think about it. I forgot he took a jab at the press as well. Good multitasking there, former Citizen Trump.

“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” Mr. Trump said during a news conference here in an apparent reference to Mrs. Clinton’s deleted emails. “I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/28/us/politics/donald-trump-russia-clinton-emails.html

Russ

Paul, Gregory mentioned that Global Warming story was collapsing in his 3:00PM.

Here is some of the evidence of the collapse, two studies written by ardent warmers and luke warmers who could not deal with the scientific BS promoted by their "climatistas" academic lounge mates. Even Michael "Hockeystick" Mann has come on board in agreeing the pause happened, there was no significant warming for over 18 years, and the climate models missed the pause. All the while the global CO2 levels continued to increase.

Power quotes from the two studies showing that the climate models all you lefties keep in your humanist hymn books are not real science:

First Study: Over most of the early twenty-first century, however, model tropospheric warming is substantially larger than observed; warming rate differences are generally outside the range of trends arising from internal variability. The probability that multi-decadal internal variability fully explains the asymmetry between the late twentieth and early twenty-first century results is low (between zero and about 9%).

Second Study: In particular, we point out that this work used invalid modeling tools, contained modeling errors, and made implausible and inadequately supported assumptions. Policy makers should treat with caution any visions of a rapid, reliable, and low-cost transition to entire energy systems that relies almost exclusively on wind, solar, and hydroelectric power.

Gov Brown should be treating his vision for California's renewable energy plans with some of this caution.

More here: http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/06/black-monday-for-the-climatistas.php

Question? Were these two studies written because of the overwhelming evidence, or because the writers were worried about their job and the grants those jobs depend on now that Trump and his administration are in control for the next four years (3 1/2 now)? Change is such a bitch, which just keeps on shoving us all toward an uncertain future. Change happens, get used to it! Anthropogenic Global Warming is about to end with a whimper.

Don Bessee

Well its about time. The State Dept. is reviewing the security clearances for team Clinton and madam liar liar pantsuits on fire herself. 'If' they are found to have mishandled classified material the clearances will be pulled and they will be permanently denied access to classified material of any sort. ;-)

Scott Obermuller

Climate 'science'. Until the AGW hysteria mongers explain why:
The Paris Agreement is so important. China and India (2 biggest polluters) 'agreed' to INCREASE global warming gasses.
Next - why should we listen to anyone saying that 'the science is settled'. History shows the opposite.
Next - explain this: "At a news conference last week in Brussels, Christiana Figueres, executive secretary of U.N.'s Framework Convention on Climate Change, admitted that the goal of environmental activists is not to save the world from ecological calamity but to destroy capitalism." And she's hardly the only one.
Next - explain why we are supposed to ignore the emails uncovered in 'climate gate' that show so-called scientists are conspiring to hide data.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2011/11/23/climategate-2-0-new-e-mails-rock-the-global-warming-debate/#463e10fa27ba
Next - explain why all of the predictions of the climate alarmists never turn out to be true. In many cases, the exact opposite occurs.
I don't need to be a scientist to smell a rat.
You will never, ever find any climate alarmist that will ever touch these topics.
There are 'denialists'. They deny reality.

Scott Obermuller

Oh yeah - and this
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/nvidia-upgraded-as-cybercurrency-miners-go-bonkers-for-its-chips-2017-06-20
I've been aware for years that a good video card can be double the cost of anything else in a custom desk top computer. Typically for gaming. Gaming means high frame rates of complex graphics. IE - big time number crunching.
The cyber currency folks want these chips. That's important information.
I won't pretend to know all of the details, but digital and cyber currencies combined with looming versions of 'guaranteed govt issued incomes' spells huge disruptions in the global economy.
Even in the most locked down societies, the black market operates.
Supply and demand, folks. Ignore it at your peril.
Govts almost always do.

Bill Tozer

SCOTUS
Darn. And to think Obama was to devote his post Presidential years to this very issue. A modern day Greek Tragedy, or is that a modern day Greek Comedy? No matter. Try another door, Mr. O

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2017/06/19/scotus-throws-cold-water-early-obamas-partisan-gerrymandering-project/

Scott Obermuller

Don B at 5:07 - "The State Dept. is reviewing..."
And who is doing this 'review'?
Probably trying to figure out how to destroy or bury the evidence.
Oopsie - our hard drive crashed again!

Don Bessee

Scott, TRex is now in charge at State. ;-)

Scott Obermuller

Don - I'd like to think so, but the deep state is so ingrained.

Scott Obermuller

OK - here's another - this stuff just writes itself.
"In a speech in Amsterdam to a conference co-sponsored by the central banks of Sweden and the Netherlands, Boston Fed President Eric Rosengren said lower rates may be a more permanent feature on the economic landscape because they reflect broad population trends."
Population trends???!!!
Are you kidding me?
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-stocks-aim-for-record-open-as-tech-rebound-continues-2017-06-20
Translation: "I think we're losing control".

Don Bessee

I hear ya Scott @ 556 but without TRex running the show there would never have been a review. ;-)

Don Bessee

Where is that po' ol' pollhead when the only kind of poll that matters is happening? GA06 update, the Republican has pulled out to a 6 point lead after an initial 1.3 point lead. What a waste of $40,000,000.00 liberal $$ from SoCal and Martha's vineyard. 97% of the losers money came from outside his dist. Keep up with that model DNC and you will be bankrupt before the midterms! So with the other uncovered special tonight in SC that would be ZERO for 6 specials for the donkey's and green libertarian druids. ;-)

Bill Tozer

In regards to the cartoon Dr. Rebane added to the Sandbox heading, finally there is one person who stands up and tells us all the truth. How refreshing.

https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/862288457254711/?type=3&theater
SCOTUS:
https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/1055343127933057/?type=3&theater

Russia, Russia, Russia? Oh yes, I remember,
https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/1050472191753484/?type=3&theater

Walt

Better get another bottle Paul. LIBS LOSE again. Try some weed (you say you never smoke. Now would be a good time.) that should numb the melon for a while.

fish

DEMS LOSE AGAIN
GA SEAT SLIPS AWAY


Schadenfreude (/ˈʃɑːdənfrɔɪdə/; German: [ˈʃaːdn̩ˌfʁɔʏ̯də] (About this sound listen); lit. 'harm-joy') is pleasure derived from the misfortune of others. Borrowed from German into English and several other languages, it is a feeling of joy that comes from seeing or hearing about another person's troubles or failures. It is an expression of pleasure or self-satisfaction at another's failure.[1]


WOW.....wasn't even close!


https://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/georgia-congressional-runoff-ossoff-handel

Scott Obermuller

Keep in mind this is one of the 'progressive' countries still committed to the Paris Accord.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/dried-lizard-penises-india-sold-good-luck-charms-48152656
Meanwhile, back in the good ol USA the Dems did as they have been trained - vote for the woman over the man.
I'm surprised Ossoff hasn't been charged with a hate crime by trying take away a woman's rightful place in congress.
Oh wait - that deeply held belief by the Dems only works once in a while. Gotta love them deeply held beliefs. So deeply held. Watta bunch of maroons.
C'mon, Dems - please tell me about your deeply held beliefs.
I dare you.

Don Bessee

Even CNN has called the GA06 for the R, sniveling all the way they were at CNN. I wish Madow was on the air, she is the a team of angst when donkeys bite the dust. I keep waiting for the artery to burst. Emery, Emery, Emery? ;-)

Todd Juvinall

25 million spent by the democrats. And I wonder how th green libertarian is taking this. After all Trump's numbers are so low how could those rubes in Georgia not reject him?

Walt

All that Calif. BIG LIB money,,, GONE..... All for nothing. My advertising stocks Thank you.

Bill Tozer

Breaking News: Victorious KAREN HANDEL body slams Ossoff the Trump Slayer AND reporters from CNN, Huff-n-Puff Post and a disabled dude from the NYT!!!. Donneybrooke breaks out, Bikers for Trump join the fray! Nah, just kidding. That was fakenews.

OMG, we will again. This one had me sweating bullets. We win yet another one.. I have never seen such Leftist implosions and dismay since the Berlin Wall came tumbling down.

"Democrats had held the South Carolina seat for more than a century until Mulvaney rode a tea party wave to defeat longtime incumbent John Spratt in 2010."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/republican-aligned-with-trump-wins-south-carolina-house-seat/2017/06/20/b050ed8a-561f-11e7-840b-512026319da7_story.html?utm_term=.db7a17171fa3

That's two for two today, but no reason to boast or celebrate. The Dems sent the JV team to challenge the Righties. Kinda takes the fun out of it. The Dems bench is postage stamp thin and their starting lineup IS the JV team. Now they are going to send in the losers. Hmm. Guess that is what you do when your back is against the wall and you done run out of ammo.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/06/19/in-search-of-a-star-desperate-democrats-turn-to-losing-candidate-under-age-40-to-help-them/
-----------------------------------------
Now, the real Breaking News! Gregory, Fish, Judge Nap, and other independent thinkers, and Punchy. You time is coming!!!!! Yep, I only missed it by 4 years. I could have sworn 2016 was the year for a 3rd Party surge, but Trump, Comey, Putin, Mainstream Fake News, and The Deplorables sucked all the oxygen out of the room. 3.5 years to go. Gentlemen, start your engines. The pararie fire is gaining momentum.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jun/20/most-dems-would-consider-voting-third-party-poll/

Walt

Let me help ol' Paul out. It was REAL close. Only a six point loss. So take that as a real win. That'l show'm....

Bill Tozer

How weak is the Democrat Bench?

http://canadafreepress.com/article/how-weak-is-the-democrat-bench-try-president-al-franken-weak

Don Bessee

SIX POINTS! What happened, the polls said the young documentarian was going to win!!? Wacky polls, again the only poll that matters is election DAY! We won that poll and its all done other than the safe zones for snowflakes in GA's 6th! A 7pt lead turned into a 6pt loss for the donkeys, that's a yuge shift in a week.

All the alt-left stars and all the stars money still could not take a district that is not thrilled with Trump. Sweet. On to the midterms! ;-)

Todd Juvinall

Tell Crabb the ALT_Right just kicked his sorry ass tonight.

Walt

Pain REEEAAALLLY sucks.(and don't I know it...) So I can be a little sympathetic at the moment.
So I ask all my friends here to assist in helping ease their pain and suffering.
Send them a jar of Dr. Donald J. Trump's Butthurt cream. I'm sure they have run out of their first prescription by now. Now a new outbreak has hit. For those you know who have it extra bad, It's now available in suppository form. They can't afford to buy their own. We now where they sent it.

Don Bessee

Emery, Emery, Emery? Oh, ya, he only party parrots when he gets the talking points emails from the DNC. I guess they are still at a loss about how they blew up so much money for so little return and don't have any talking points yet. Now that's a familiar narrative. I spent a billion dollars and only got a bunch of unused fireworks to show for it t-shirt was the Clinton narrative was it not? ;-)

George Rebane

Gentlemen, gentlemen - be kind. As long as we can keep winning the elections, the least we can do is give them some polling results to keep their spirits up.

Don Bessee

Dr. R, this is Cali, there are tons (literally) of products to keep their spirits up other than actual spirits. I would expect that Hollywood is having a lot of white whine, edibles and coke (not the bubbly kind) being delivered since the GA06 race was called. ;-)

Don Bessee

Ok, lets get back to the business of the great debate.

With all the BS going on who else noticed that China just ended its 14 year old ban on US beef imports? Grain framers, truckers, processing plants, trains etc. will all beyond the ranchers feel the big love in the R states. Cow farts be damned! ;-)

Scott Obermuller

Winning!
https://www.crapo.senate.gov/media/newsreleases/idaho-us-beef-producers-regain-exports-to-china
I'm sure the NY Manhattan beef exporters are happy! Oh, wait, I guess not.
Money talks - BS walks.

Bill Tozer

Well, Dr. Rebane is correct as usual. Besides, It is not wise to take off the armor before the battle begins. Pride cometh before a fall and Bill Nye is not a real scientist, but he slept at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

We must indulge our suffering and dismayed fellow citizens and travelers with their little ray of sunshine, aka, Da Polls. That is not too much to ask, now is it? Think of your fellow man suffering yet another crushing blow to his hopes, his dreams, the way things he was told and most assuredly believed it would be. His whole worldview has been turned on its head.
The walls are crashing in upon him and we taunt? Shame, shame. Bad dogs, bad.
Let's not kick a man when he is down, especially one afflicted with so much contempt and disdain for all things Pubber, coupled with TDS and outbursts of uncontrollable urges to kick us even harder when we are down. We must be better than them. No rioting, no burning cars, no calling the First Lady a whore or the President's son a retard. And no being mean to the mentally disabled in our midst. Charity begins at home.
Man alive, they will be out for some serious payback now and we all should be concerned. They can't keep losing. What are the odds? Hmmm. Cubs win the Series after108 years (108 stitches on a hardball), no team had ever been down 3-1 in the NBA Finals and came back to win on the opposing team's home court, the greatest comeback in Super Bowl history, Trumps wins the election, and Army finally beat Navy. Looks like the Year of the Reckoning continues on and on. Nevermind about that "what are the odds" question.
The solution to alleviating our fears and anxieties over our personal safety and payback is simple: Never get tired of winning.
Allow me to be the first to extend the hand of comfort to our local radio personality and all around fine fellow.
. Yo, Mr. E, you are doing great! You really got him where you want him and he is reeling backwards on the ropes. You got him now! Opps, darn it, saved by the bell. I have full confidence you will be standing over him while he is out cold on the canvas. Maybe next round. Or the round after that. Or maybe a TKO.
Poor Rock and Poll. He is hitting the sauce pretty heavy tonight. We must keep him in our thoughts.

Aha! President Donald John Trump had led the way and had shown us all how to be magnanimous in victory.
https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/1112616908872345/?type=3&theater

Scott Obermuller

So - does anyone here think that Trump will cause Idaho to go red in the midterms?
What about any other state?
Michigan? Iowa? Florida?
Yes - everything could crash. That could happen no matter who was pres at this point. Low interest rates and a pumped up stock market always gives the financial market jitters.
Now Trump has to play a game of 'keep it going til the next election'.
Politicians always do. Fun.

Don Bessee

Something tells me that the Presidents public event tomorrow will be talking about where the beef is. If Clara Peller was still with us she would likely be an opening presenter saying 'here is the beef' as the Presidents intro. I hope they have fun with this tomorrow. ;-)

Scott Obermuller

Here's one for our resident expert on gun violence.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/06/15/seattle-gun-tax-failure-firearm-sales-plummet-violence-spikes-after-law-passes.html
Paul?
Crickets.

Bill Tozer

Now stop that, Kellyanne. That is no way for a lady to be gracious and magnanimous in victory. Bad girl, bad.
https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/1112669185533784/?type=3&theater

Oh, come on fellars, control yourselves. This is getting old. And stop all that hootin' and hollerin' and dancing around the pole with the pig head on top chanting, "Kill the Beast, Kill the Beast!" Stop it.
https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/1112615405539162/?type=3&theater

Great, you just had to bring Russia into the mix just as we got things to settle down for 14 hours.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1474650562580878&set=p.1474650562580878&type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10214202590325289&set=p.10214202590325289&type=3&theater

Stop it, out there. Remember, when they go low, Trump goes lower....er.....we go high? Control yourselves!! Ah, forget it.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1631502986908497&set=p.1631502986908497&type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1455801421134389&set=p.1455801421134389&type=3&theater

Enough you Deplorables, I say enough.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10209052682782360&set=p.10209052682782360&type=3&theater

Bill Tozer

Mea culpa. Mea culpa.
Forget everything I said about being nice, gracious, and magnanimous in victory. In a serious lapse of judgement, I forgot what subhuman scum our Fakenews Media and their water carriers are. A vile reprehensible collection of grunt sandwiches, boneless browns, puke buckets, and maggots. Best to squish them like the vermin they are. Mega mea culpa.

https://patriotpost.us/posts/49744

Mary Wanna

MAGA - https://govtrackinsider.com/eliminating-taxpayer-subsidies-for-stadiums-act-would-end-taxpayer-tax-support-for-sports-stadiums-94a7ec189c8c

Paul Emery

For your reading pleasure
Trumps and Besse are not bragging about Rasmussen any more. He's dropped 10 points in 5 days. Currently at -10
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

Greg

Sorry to break it to you, Paul, but a move from 50% to 45% is a five point drop, not ten.

The DEM record in special elections since Nov is zero of four. GOP candidates won 100%. And that is despite the utterly false belief of half of the DEM rabble that the Russians are the reason Trump is in the White House.

Walt

Back to fuzzy math Paul? Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Bill Tozer

Thanks for sharing the polls, Mr. E. Good news indeed. Welcome the latest numbers. Everytime Trump's numbers drop like a lead ballon, he wins. Just don't make sense, now does it? Boy, they sure dropped after Grab the Kitty and every R and Indie abandoned him.
I love it when the Talking Heads go running around waving pieces of paper with numbers on them in the face of the viewers and anyone they can find to share those babies with. Shout it from the mountain tops, break forth in song in the village square that Trump is DOA.
What goes up must come down. Boy, I heard a big thud last night. Something dropped like a rock and it wasn't the Deplorable Party.

Don't know why Mr. EEEEEEEEeee! finds the Libertarian Party wanting or has some principles he finds bothersome. They should be more Green, I reckon. I dunno. I can agree with them on numerous policies and guiding compass. But, I can see why Mr. EEEEEeee may not be happy as a Libertarian Party member. It all is starting to come into focus.

https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/1111895512277818/?type=3&theater

And now, a blast from the past. Unlikely source to be so spot on.

https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/1089381444529225/?type=3&theater

Gregory

"But, I can see why Mr. EEEEEeee may not be happy as a Libertarian Party member"

Paul isn't a Libertarian Party member, nor is he registered to vote as a Libertarian.

Paul Emery

Greg

RCP calculates the difference between support and non support. They were 50-50 on Saturday. Now it's 55-45. 10 point difference. that's the way all polls calculate their reporting numbers.

Gregory

Ahh, Paul, so if 60 people are for something and 40 are a'gin it, if one person moves their opinion, and its 59/41, they get counted twice?

So, what if there's three folk running for the same orifice? Or if for and against doesn't add up to 100%

No, a move from 50% to 45% is a five percentage drop.

100% of Congressional special elections have gone to the GOP. Four for four. What does that tell you, Paul?

Paul Emery

Whatever Gregory. 5%drop 10% difference. Can we agree on that?

Walt

Let Paul play with his poll till his heart is content. It ain't much, but its all he has to try and stay stable.

Gregory

Paul, can we agree that no votes were changed by interference by Russia in the 2016 Presidential election?

And no, just because RCP reports the spread doesn't mean everyone does it. If you go to Rasmussen, they report the 45% as the percentage of Likely Voters who support him, and report the spread between Strongly Approve and Strongly Disapprove as an Approval Index, currently at -14.

Bill Tozer

@ 10 am on the nose:
Touchy, touchy. He is one if he says he is. Today me, myself and I be whatever I choose to be. Afterall, political parties are just social constructs. :)

About last night........
The Deplorables down in Georgia dodged a bullet. In the April election for the vacant seat, all it took was 50% plus one vote to go straight to D.C. Jon Ossoff came close, got 48% with his closest challenger getting a distant 20%, who just happened to be some R woman named Handel.
I could see why the Dems tried so hard. Man, they tried. They gave it their all. On the Mr.Ossoff side, 500,000 doors were knocked on, a paid staff of 100 workers, 12,000 organized volunteers and they did the full court press media blitz covering every outlet from Korean newspapers to Christian Gospel stations since the primaries. Celebrity endorsement galore, money rolling in like grows on trees. And they fell short.

Yep, we dodged a bullet, but the roadmap to winning was laid out for us. Ossify had the anti-Trump wind at his back.. But, but, but.....Karen Handel tied her young opponent to Nancy Pelosi. She stuck to that theme over and over again. A vote for Jon Ossoff is a vote for Nancy the Botox Queen. A vote for the Ossoff-Pelosi is a guarantee absolutely nothing gets done for the next two years on jobs, the economy, and other issues important to you, my dear neighbors. A vote for Osoff-Pelosi is a vote for thwarting the work to be done that your family and our country needs. Maybe 'they' don't care about you. Hmm, not bad.

Ossoff the youthful Trump Slayer brought out the image of The Trumpmeister as his rallying cry and that image was red meat for the riled up foaming at the mouth rabid dogs. Handel brought out the image of the obstructionist Pelosi the Botox Queen who is approaching 80 years old, and blocks working on jobs and the economy on purpose.

Thus, it is fair to say when they go low, we go lower. You may quote me on that and I feel no shame. :)

Gregory

Paul, can we agree that no votes were changed by interference by Russia in the 2016 Presidential election?

Bill Tozer

"Paul, can we agree that no votes were changed by interference by Russia in the 2016 Presidential election?"

Au contraire, Mr. Gregory. I can think one one vote swayed by the Russians.

https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/1112659082201461/?type=3&theater

Yo Mr. Eeeee! Have you seen the approval numbers of Pelosi verses Trump? That is the answer to why Dems keep on losing in a nutshell. When will they abandon her??

Gregory

Emery?
Emery?
Emery?
Emery?

ScenesFromTheApocalypse

re: Gregory@10:58AM.

Heck, I'd just like to know what 'interference' even means. Having lunch with an ambassador appears to be part of the definition.

In more polling news:

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/875112655836643328

Walt

Maybe that carpetbagger Ossoff may have stood a better chance if he actually lived in that district. But then again, maybe not. The people voting can see Trump is keeping his word, when history shows LIB promise anything and everything to pander that vote, then deliver on nothing. LIBS have been great job killers. Great at separating people from their money, stripping us of freedoms, and can't write laws and regs. fast enough.

The people are seeing that diff. today. Nope, it's going to be a real hard sell to elect a LIB anywhere except Ca. But that will stop in due time. More regs and taxes are in our future. ENJOY....

George Rebane

Administrivia - please continue your election and polling comments under the next post. Thanks.

Walt

OK,, a change of pace.. It's time to close the local rivers to the public. They are killing people just about every day. Just look in the local rag for proof.
This year alone the rivers have killed more people than guns around here. We need river control!! As our Progs like to say, "if it saves one life.."

George Boardman

Thanks to our great leader in The White House, Ford won't be making the Focus in Mexico. They'll make it in China instead.

All of those American manufactured parts that would have gone into the Mexican cars? They won't go in the Chinese cars.

We'll see how good the new beef deal with China is for America. The new sugar deal with Mexico means higher consumer prices in the U.S. Some victory.

fish

Posted by: George Boardman | 21 June 2017 at 01:59 PM

Thanks to our great leader in The White House, Ford won't be making the Focus in Mexico.


More appropriately thanks to the 1 billion in savings China vs Mexico.


Bloomberg reports Ford to Save $1 Billion Building Focus in China Instead of Mexico.


Ford Motor Co. is canceling controversial plans to build the Focus small car in Mexico, saving $1 billion by ending North American production entirely and importing the model mostly from China after next year.

The U.S. automaker will start making the next-generation Focus in China from the second half of 2019, a year after output ends at one of its plants in Michigan. Ford will trim about $500 million in costs by shifting production to China, adding to the $500 million already saved from canceling construction of a small-car factory in Mexico earlier this year.

The company will be testing both consumer appetite for China-built cars and the tolerance of President Donald Trump, who has criticized automakers for importing vehicles from overseas.

“We’ve done a lot of research and consumers care a lot more about the quality and the value than they do about the sourcing location,” Joe Hinrichs, Ford’s president of global operations, said in a conference call with reporters Tuesday. “iPhones are produced in China, for example, and people don’t really talk about it.”



https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-20/ford-to-save-1-billion-making-focus-in-china-instead-of-mexico

fish

Whoooo! As bad as the political class is in California I think Illinois is worse……


Bruce Rauner spent a chunk of his personal fortune running for Governor in 2014 to save Illinois from its tax-and-spend political class. More than two years later it looks like the former private equity star has made better investments.

On Tuesday evening the Governor with the worst job in America explained why he and his fellow Republicans have offered to raise taxes for the sake of ending a multiyear budget impasse with Democrats. He said he’ll accept a four-year increase in the flat state income tax to 4.95% from the current 3.75%, expand the sales tax and implement a cable and satellite TV tax.

This is a political defeat by any definition since Mr. Rauner campaigned on lowering the income tax to 3%, not on restoring the rate close to what it was under the last Democratic Governor. The “temporary” 5% rate partially sunset in December 2014. Democrats who run the legislature refused to negotiate over a budget unless Mr. Rauner agreed to a tax increase, and now they’re refusing to make notable spending or economic reforms in return.

The political tragedy is that Mr. Rauner didn’t make this mess; he was elected to clean it up. Former Governors Rod Blagojevich and Pat Quinn, a crook and a schnook, borrowed some $17 billion through pension obligation bonds. Since 2009 the state bond rating has been downgraded 21 times. The biggest culprit is state House Speaker Michael Madigan, who fronts for the government unions.

Mr. Madigan hasn’t said if he’ll accept Mr. Rauner’s offer, and perhaps he’s holding out for even more concessions. Mr. Rauner may come out the political loser, but the citizens of Illinois will suffer the most.

Proposed Deal

1) Four-year tax hike to 4.95%, up from 3.75%
2) Expansion of sales taxes
3) New taxes on cable and satellite TV
4) Four-year property tax freeze*
5) No right-to-work reform
6) No collective bargaining reform
7) No pension reform
8) No workers’ compensation reform
9) No spending cuts
10) No term limits
11) No gerrymandering reform

*That alleged property tax freeze is just at the state level. It does not include a freeze by home rule districts.



https://mishtalk.com/2017/06/21/governor-rauner-screws-illinois/

Bill Tozer

Hey ladiy, let me explain something to you

https://heatst.com/culture-wars/if-youre-white-and-have-opinions-youre-now-guilty-of-whitesplaining/?mod=sm_fb_post

ScenesFromTheApocalypse

http://www.wbng.com/story/35662696/watch-details-of-major-weapons-bust-in-broome-county-announced

'Abdullah'.

Nothin' to see here. Move along.

ScenesFromTheApocalypse

Well now, that *is* embarrassing.

https://i.redd.it/rpvyx9hfn65z.png

Bill Tozer

Gregory. That shameful fakenews story about millions voting illegally is making the rounds. However, this is from a legit feed (Laura Inghram) and is taken from a different angle with seemingly credible sourced quotes.

Just passing it along......for your discerning eye.
http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/researcher-claims-millions-of-non-citizens-voting-in-u-s-elections/2/

Bill Tozer

FISH: : For your eyes only. Ok, Scenes can take a peek, but nobody else.....except maybe Walt, but not Mrs. Walt. :)

https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/1113393948794641/?type=3&theater


Gregory

Toez 1220

Yes, that link passes the initial smell test...

Russ

Environmental Fire Traps

"At least seven high-rise apartment buildings in England have combustible external panels similar to what was found at the London tower that went up in flames last week, killing 79 people," the government said.

Total building engulfed in 1 hour.
 
The number of clad buildings could be as high as 600. Unintended consequences of environmentalism -- fire traps

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/06/22/london-fire-local-administrator-resigns-amid-criticism.html

Bill Tozer

Gregory again!

FYI: You recently asked what ever happened to Glen Beck. Heard him for a few minutes this morning on my transistor radio. The Glen Beck Show, 1410 AM out of Marysville or somewhere in the State of Jefferson. Don't know where it is found on its FM broadcast, my transistor radio does not have FM. 9-noon slot, up against Rush.

Glen played a audio clip of Trump and I starting rolling on the ground laughing. I get Trump's humor and his bravoing. You get it, most get it. Those who don't it get confused and most perplexed, to say the least.
I was thinking the fact checkers would be gearing up to full speed now and the pundits would be looking with stern faces at what he meant by what he said, lol. So, I found the audio clip and sure enough, the fact checkers were counting beans. Love it.
Short clip.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40363390

Scott Obermuller

http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article157974029.html
Why isn't our single payer poster telling us how wonderful it would be?
Apparently there are a few problems. As in - how do we pay for this?
Our free heath care nut-case-in-residence has no answer other than we want to see folks die.
There is no truth in that, but it's all he has.
He doesn't care who has to pay anything. As in Illinois.

Don Bessee

Its starting to sound like the President is going to get another SCOTUS appointment. AP reports that Justice Kennedy had a clerk reunion party scheduled for next year but has moved it up to next week. Monday is the last public session, a normal place to announce retirements. ;-)

fish

The progressive left......devouring itself! Truly Magical!!!

http://nationalpost.com/news/world/jonathan-kay-on-the-tyranny-of-twitter-how-mob-censure-is-changing-the-intellectual-landscape/wcm/c94cb9be-3eef-4982-9e65-7f4e934c2afb?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+NP_Top_Stories+(National+Po

Bill Tozer

Fish @ 6;44. Score! Goal! Great link. Makes me sad for today's starving Fakenews wannabe's trying to make a buck. Baby, it is a cold hard world out there if you are booted from the "in group". Banishment is kind of a downer to those who are exiled. Like that line from A Chorus Line, "one fart and they call you stinky for the rest of your life."
You should post that link over on Safe Places, Great Divide, Progressive Report, but only if you want to. I ain't the boss of you! Liked this money quote:

From my time as editor-in-chief of a left-leaning Canadian magazine, in which capacity I had to monitor the online response to my content, I can attest that the true enforcers of Twitter’s journalistic gossip chamber aren’t exactly household names. Many are quite young, and have relatively few followers. What they do have are markers of authenticity that allow them to speak authoritatively on matters of race and gender. They also tend to inhabit professional domains that signal a devotion to purity of thought and cause: artists, academics, musicians, street activists, poets" and local fakenews directors for obscure counterculture FM stations. Ok, just the part in quotes for the purists out there.

Actually, the reason I am trolling you is I have a question. Have you heard or seen from Maxine the largemouth bass in the Waters lately? Seen or heard anything??? They must have put her on ice or the deep freeze.. Haven't seen nary a hide not hair from Maxine since they all replaced the words 'influenced' and 'hacked' with the simple new buzzword 'meddle'. Yes, corellation does not equate to causation, but sometimes you gotta wonder. Did see get banished?

Walt

Maybe I missed it somewhere else here.
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politics/presidential/cnn-deletes-retracts-story-linking-trump-and-russia-20170624.html

Will the Paul retract his fake news?

Then this hits the news wire.
http://nypost.com/2017/06/24/inside-the-shadowy-intelligence-firm-behind-the-trump-dossier/
"A secretive Washington firm that commissioned the dubious intelligence dossier on Donald Trump is stonewalling congressional investigators trying to learn more about its connections to the Democratic Party."

Man O man if this leads right back to the Dems. It puts "by any means necessary" on a whole new level.

ScenesFromTheApocalypse

Munger on Gore

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/23/buffett-partner-munger-says-al-gore-is-an-idiot-but-became-rich.html

Don Bessee

How did the truth slip out on cnbc, they are usually better party parrot fakenewsmen than that? ;-)

ScenesFromTheApocalypse

At least we can settle one thing.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/an-open-letter-to-gay-white-men-no-youre-not-allowed_us_5947f0ffe4b0f7875b83e459

ScenesFromTheApocalypse

...plus, the professional Left antes up on Otto Warmbier.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/professor-otto-warmbier-deserved-article-1.3274691

"His parents ultimately are to blame for his growing up thinking he could get away with whatever he wanted....Maybe in the US, where young, white, rich, clueless white males routinely get away with raping women. Not so much in North Korea.”

lol. Hey, I don't write this stuff. I'm just a reporter.

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