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10 June 2017

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Bill Tozer

Mr. Sauer:
Mr Norm, hope burns eternal. However, you articulated the bottomline best with "No evidence of Trump collusion with the Russians means no crime. But, to Democrats and their media cohorts this doesn’t matter." Exactly!
You are wasting your breath. All arguments loaded with facts and reason are out the window. It just means nothing to our highly educated closed minded brethren from the Dark Side of the Street. Nice try, though. Give you an A for effort.

Here is another optimist, falsely believing that reason will win the day. Fat chance.

https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/1104327363034633/?type=3&theaterI

Nothing, absolutely nothing, will satisfy the savage beasts until Trump is hung from the Tree of Woe alive and screaming in pain while his entails are cut out and feed to the fowl of the air. That, of course, is after he is drug down 9 miles of bad road and pummeled with the ugly stick wrapped in barbed wire. Which comes having Trump run the gauntlet and riding the Brass Rail, which comes before Trump is hinded and quartered.. Kill the Beast, Kill the Beast! Nothing less will quench their bloodlust. Bring them his head on a platter and then they might listen to your words.

You did not think you could reason with them, did you Mr. Sauer? More elequant orators than you have tried and utterly failed.

"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance—that principle is contempt prior to investigation."

I just cut to the chase and tell them to go pound sand. Not nearly as elequent, but says wasting my breath....and my awful habit of being too long in the tooth.

Bill Tozer

Opps, me bad. Norm was addressing those without Trump Degrangement Syndrome. Nevermind.

Spike

Each year, Renaissance Capital holds their annual investment conference in Moscow and invites keynote speakers from world leaders in various fields of expertise. In 2008, Tony Blair, the former UK Prime Minister and Henry Kissinger were keynote speakers. In 2010, Bill Clinton was paid $500k to speak. In 2011, Michael Bear, former Lord Mayor of London, was a speaker as was Mohamed ElBaradei, recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize in 2005.

Keep trying Norm

George Rebane

Spike 137pm - Not sure you understood the points Mr Sauer was making. All of those you mentioned had long-established back-channels with the Kremlin. For those of us not as lavishly endowed here, could you please connect the dots between your comment and Mr Sauer's article?

Don Bessee

The problem with slick willy getting 500 thousand (way more than his usual fee) was its proximity to the State Dept. greenlighting the sale of 20% of our uranium to the Russians. Who was the Sec. state that did it? ;-)

Spike

Giving a speech is not a crime. I will pass on that nothing burger.

Podesta had his Joule shares of stock options transferred to his daughter, Megan Rouse.
“Full transfer request, with Megan’s signature attached,” Podesta’s assistant Eryn Sepp wrote to him on December 31, 2013 — just weeks before Podesta joined the Obama administration.

Another nothing burger.

Don Bessee

Getting overpaid and having your wife commit a quip pro quo as a senior government official is a crime. Shouldn't nothing burger be retired along with madam liar liar pantsuits on fire?

Russ

Spike@01:37PM

What were Tony Blair, Henry Kissinger, Michael Bear, and Mohamed ElBaradei, paid for their speaking gig? How does that compare to Clintons $500K?

Bill Tozer

Trump was never under investigation? Boy, that is not what Fake Stream Media has told us. The elistists have gone mad, stark raving mad. But, that is nothing new, not by a long shot.

http://buchanan.org/blog/impeach-trump-conspiracy-127163

jon smith

"With 59% of Democrats now believing Russia hacked the November vote based on a steady stream of unfounded media attacks "
Today there is bipartisan support to dial up sanctions against Russia for cyber meddling in our elections. Every single agency and every single branch of our intelligent agencies have said without reservation that Russia hacked the elections. Sauer disregards this as Democratic myopathy? Norm can repeat what he wants to repeat as many times as he can repeat it but nothing will change these facts that are not simply "unfounded media attacks."

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/11/senate-russia-sanctions-239365

Scott Obermuller

"Every single agency and every single branch of our intelligent agencies have said without reservation that Russia hacked the elections."
jonnie boy has quite an imagination.
Unfortunately, jonnie boy didn't read the story he provided the link to.
There is zero evidence that the last pres election result was changed in any way by Russia.
If Russia had actually done everything jonnie boy thinks it did, Trump wins.
If Russia didn't do anything to affect our election, Trump wins.
Trump won the election.
jonnie boy, along with millions of others, just can't accept that fact.
And reality Trumps anything that jonnie boy dreams up.
Sorry.

Walt

Remember? "O" said he knew of Rusky monkey business, yet didn't give a crap in the belief that it would only help Hillary. The tune changed when she lost. THEN it was a big deal.
How soon some forget.

Todd Juvinall

Jon Smith is a partisan hack. And he believes anything his goddess Nancy Pelosi or god Bernie Sanders spews. Nothing to see there.

Bill Tozer

Wonder where Mr Smith and others get their news? I hope it wasn't from our Rock and Pollin' fake news director.

https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/1104286423038727/?type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/1104277879706248/?type=3&theater

Paul Emery

I never thought I'd see the day when the so called Conservatives in this country would cuddle up with the Russians the Trumpers have. Astounding.

Don Bessee

That's pathetic even you fakenewsman. ;-)

Gregory

Paul, your 953 truly is a pathetic misstatement of facts at hand. Refusing to get all wobbly just because the anti-Trump brigade is running around screaming "the Russians are coming the Russians are coming" does not mean all who don't join the Democratic Party conga line are getting cuddly with the Rooskies.

There's no there, there, anymore. Take it from Chris Matthews, the Trump-Russia collusion story got blown out of the water last Thursday. It's now the "obstruction of justice" story. Get with it, Paul.

Scott Obermuller

"I never thought I'd see the day when the so called Conservatives in this country would cuddle up with the Russians the Trumpers have."
Could you provide a single example?
Pretty please?

Gregory

jon smith 439
"Every single agency and every single branch of our intelligent agencies have said without reservation that Russia hacked the elections"

"Russia hacked the election" is a nonsense phrase with no meaning.

Don Bessee

Yes Gregory @ 1021. Its the Loretta Lynch and team 0 obstruction of justice story! That's the only obstruction of justice articulated by Comey. ;-)

Scott Obermuller

"The starkest aspect of Comey’s prepared statement was the president's lack of curiosity about the long-running, deep-reaching, well-executed and terrifyingly effective Russian attack on American democracy."
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/06/11/forget-comey-the-real-story-is-russias-war-on-america-215245
'Terrifying effective'!
OMG
Just think - good honest folk trying to vote for Hillary had their hand taken over by Russian intel and their vote ended up being for Trump.
OMG!
Maybe some of Americas' best leftistas can provide first hand evidence of the evil plan by Russia to thwart their best efforts to vote for the one and truly real American POTUS - HRC!
Maybe Paul Emery or some other concerned American can chime in on the obvious tilt of our countries leadership due to Russian in influence.

Todd Juvinall

Well hell has frozen over! Boardman did an excellent column today. How conservatives are shortchanged on campus and in the admins of higher learning.

fish

Posted by: Scott Obermuller | 11 June 2017 at 10:26 PM


Could you provide a single example?
Pretty please?


Remember Scott it's Paul Emery.....he'll eventually assign you to do his homework for him.

Paul Emery

Example of Russia cuddling. Gregory still doesn't accept that Russia interfered with our election .

Gregory 10:34

""Russia hacked the election" is a nonsense phrase with no meaning.

Walt

Paul. "O" didn't take issue with Russia meddling, until LIBS got shown the door.

I await canned response.

Walt

Some truth about Comey. Not so "upstanding" as Lefties care to paint him.
https://thefederalist.com/2017/06/12/james-comey-long-history-questionable-obstruction-cases/

Bill Tozer

10:43 am.

Hmmm. Russians hacked the election? How does one "hack" an election. Like hack an election and put it in your back pocket or put it in a drawer like a memo?
Interfered with an election, or did you mean tried to interfere, or tried to influence an election. Geeze, I thought that was Soros's PACs and his thousands of paid agents job. Or the Teachers Union's job or...the Chinese or the British Intel or Obama's job.

https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/1106264272840942/?type=3&theater

Bill Tozer

Now I can see why Punch Druky refused to vote for Obama the second time around. It was sooo obvious that the Cold War wanted its foreign policy back. The 80's are calling.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LSORBi7EIko

Guess it's better than looking the facts square in the face and come to grips with why Trump won and why to Dems continue to bleed seats up and down the ballot cross the nation ever since.......since Paul refused to vote for Obama or My Gal. It was that Iran thang.

So, now that Trump is off the hook, its crystal clear it is all Putin's fault. Or is Trump off the hook? Will Trump ever be off the hook? Will his tax returns be found with Seth Rich's fingerprints on them? Stay tuned for more of Days of our Lives after a brief message from our sponsor.

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Gregory

So Paul 1034am, is that your best shot at me? How is that "green libertarian" in you doing? BTW that isn't a Russian I am cuddling, she is a full blooded Serb, born in the USA. Not the same as Russian, though there are some resemblances.

Since you think you have a handle on words, being a news professional... what does "hacked" mean? Break into a computer and look around. Maybe copy files while you're there. Name the last election where that didn't happen by all sorts of actors, international and domestic. Now... count the votes that were not counted or changed as a result. My best guess for the total number of votes affected by "hacking" in November was Zero. Nada.

So, what does "hacked the election" mean, Paul?

Paul Emery

Russians hacked DNC files and used the stolen emails to distribute to Wikileaks to influence the vote against Hillary. Trump didn't have the integrity to not use stolen material in his campaign. Also there is tons of evidence as to how the Russians tried to influence the election by manufacturing and distributing fake news. And receantly the latest leaked information from the NSA that shows the Russians tried to hack into our election system with undetermined results.

"Russian military intelligence executed a cyberattack on at least one U.S. voting software supplier and sent spear-phishing emails to more than 100 local election officials just days before last November’s presidential election, according to a highly classified intelligence report obtained by The Intercept.

The top-secret National Security Agency document, which was provided anonymously to The Intercept and independently authenticated, analyzes intelligence very recently acquired by the agency about a months-long Russian intelligence cyber effort against elements of the U.S. election and voting infrastructure. The report, dated May 5, 2017, is the most detailed U.S. government account of Russian interference in the election that has yet come to light."

Of course the leakier was arrested and the rest is history but it shows clearly the intent of the Russians to interfere with our elections to the full extent of their ability. The full truth as to the extent is not yet known.

Combine that with Trump hiring Flynn to be head of the NSA with the full knowledge he was under investigation by the FBI and my yap is complete.

Don Bessee

BONG! Your first paragraph is pure fantasy. The FBI never got into the DNC server and can not say who did what ya po' ol' pollhead. Sounds like Scott is right, yapping. For all that you still cannot show the Russians managed any tangible result or anywhere near as much mischief as George Soros and his marching Marxist minions. The only evidence of electoral impact is the DNC v comrade Bernie in the primaries and the 0 admins cover-up for madam liar liar pantsuits on fires demonstrable crimes. ;-)

Paul Emery

Don

So you think the ODNI’s 25-page report from US intelligence agencies released a few month ago is bunk? How do you know more than the agencies that prepared the report.

“Russia’s goals were to undermine public faith in the US democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency,” the report reads. “We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump. We have high confidence in these judgments.”

The link is included in this article.

https://www.wired.com/2017/01/feds-damning-report-russian-election-hack-wont-convince-skeptics/

ScenesFromTheApocalypse

re: PE@12:34PM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4376628/New-questions-claim-Russia-hacked-election.html

Personally, I couldn't tell you who did the deed. The certainty brought by Mr. Emery to the situation is a refreshing thing. It also goes to show the value of opinion cloaked as 'news'.

also, to quote one of the local bearers of opinion:

"do you realize how ridiculous you all look arguing over whether or not the memo was legally released, as opposed being appalled at the content of the memo" - S. Frisch

The Russia outrage is quite funny given the history of the Saudis and AIPAC, but really this is about winning an argument, not being right.

Paul Emery

For your readsing pleasure Trump still falling. Now at -18 in RCP consensus polls. How low will he go.

Todd, just a reminder that when Clinton fell in the polls during his first term the ultimate result was he lost the House and Senate in the Mid-Term elections. that's the reasons the Repubs are freaking out about Trumps dismal showing in the polls.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

Inigo Montoya

Posted by: Paul Emery | 12 June 2017 at 12:34 PM


"integrity"


You Keep Using That Word, I Do Not Think It Means What You Think It Means.

Don Bessee

Unfortunately for the eco warriors and fakenewsmen everywhere, senior Senate Intel committee member DI FI said today that there should be a new investigation into Lynch and the Clinton email issue. Again, the only crime articulated by Comey was Lynch's and Clintons. HAHA. ;-)

Paul Emery

Don that is an entirely different topic.

Don once again do you believe the conclusions reached in the 25-page report from US intelligence agencies released a few month ago is bunk? I'm accusing you of Russian cuddling and a good answer would enhance your position.

Walt

Paul thinks his revisionism of things will fly here.. Uh,,, NOoooo.....

George Rebane

DonB 120pm - And the only crime known to anyone that has been committed since the Obama era has been the illegal unmasking of former national security adviser Mike Flynn. But the important point we should all continue to focus on is that the Left, starting with our own dear PaulE, can neither see nor understand any of this. Why? Because it does not fit into their national narrative designed to undermine the Trump administration. So they just talk past it.

Don Bessee

Po' ol' pathetic PE, as if I need to enhance my position which is rock solid. The unmasking probe has Muller taking a focus and the house intel committee has already issued subpoenas.

As someone who actually was on active duty I don't even have to respond to your insanity in line two. You, the leftists were always marching against the US moves that ultimately won and marching in support of the peaceful Russians. F($&@( hypocrites. You guys couldn't even lift a finger to help Georgia or Crimea, no defensive weapons to Ukraine and then ream Iran. Sold them the uranium and on and on.

Willful ignorance in advancing the party talking points is the mass hysteria of the current leftist like the po' ol' fakenewsman. ;-)

ScenesFromTheApocalypse

DonB@1:20PM

I think you might be onto something there. I really like the coined word "newswarrior".

PaulE @1:42PM

You mean this thing?

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf

It's mostly about RT. Basically the Russian equivalent of the BBC (or the NYT to the DNC). There's a few words in there about Russian intelligence efforts via the internet, although you might want to check Ft. Meade or Bluffdale if you want to be bothered about such matters. Seriously, read that piece of dreck again. There's nothing there. A good newswarrior would look elsewhere for scoops.

In any case, let's pretend there's actually proof that a Kremlin financed computer expert broke into the DNC files and released the wondrous id of the Democrats to the world at large. So what? Change the password next time.

Paul Emery

No revisionism Walt just citing the 25-page report from US intelligence agencies. Do you believe it was bunk?

George, show me where the unmasking of Flynn has proven to be illegal and who did it. Are there any indictments? Who has officially made the determination that's it's illegal?

what we do know is Trump hired Flynn while he was under investigation by the FBI.

Don Bessee

Sigh, not the why, why, why again. Much like a kid playing hide and seek covering their eyes saying if I cant see you then you cant see me. ;-)

Walt

The REAL manipulator of elections in this nation are the Democrats. From voter fraud, to their Super-delegate vote manipulation. "we say who you finally vote for."
Your choice is made in the back room.

Bill Tozer

Yes, the Intel agencies say there is a high degree of probability that Russians did this or that. They cannot say for sure because they were refused access to the DNC computers. Refused. Yes, the DNC hired an outfit to do the forensic examination of their computers. Yes, the guy who runs the outfit is a Russian! But, he is more anti-Putin than Punchy is. Yes, that outfit did much work for the Ukrainians opposed to Mother Russia. And on and on it goes.

Did the same Intel agencies say not one vote was changed because of Russian "hacking" or attempts to create mischief? Yes. Did Comey say that there was a 99% chance that at least 4 "actors" got into Hillary's State Department private server housed in a bathroom in Colorado? Yes. Oh boy, that is where the real treasure is to be found. State secrets are not campaign secrets. Much more damaging. At least 4 actors were in there reading all the goods on the United States of America. Can't say for sure, just a 99% certainty per James Comey.

Let's look at a similar case, or a hypothetical case if you prefer. Did Castro's boys cheer when JFK was shot? Did folks and politicians make overtures to Cuba during the decades of our travel ban and economic embargo of Cuba? Yes. Did they commit treason? Guess it all depends what your definition of "is" is. Did some of our politicians and pundits and experts say it was time to reevaluate our relations with Cue-ba? And on and on it goes.

We have a special prosecutor looking into the Russian collusion thing, as well as Russian interference with our election. RT stuff as well, aka, fakenews. To be honest, I have read a lot of RT articles, as well as sites from the Russian Foreign Ministry. Many were just disgustingly very personal "attacks" on the First Family. Obama with tons of make up on in full drag. Michelle looking wantonly and lustfully at a banana looking like an ape. Very personal. Some articles were good, some required the reader to make the leap of faith to draw conclusions. Yet, RT has published many articles from freelance excellent independent writers, some who have been interviewed and quoted on our little Democracy Now! show, aired locally by our local fakenews director.

We just have to wait and see until Mueller wraps it up. Of course, many of the NYT, Huff-n-Puff Post, and Washington Compost articles citing anonymous and former WH or Intel sources have been called by our Intel and FBI as flat out wrong. Wait and see.

The bottomline is we all know this will never end as long as we have those pesky unnamed witnesses seeing the one armed man drinking Black Russians pulled from his picnic basket on the grassy knoll. Wait a cotton pickin' second. He was drinking White Russians not Black Russians and he was eating Chicken Kiev!!

We just gotta wait and see the final report, then tear into it with a vengeance!

ScenesFromTheApocalypse

"Do you believe it was bunk?"

I can answer that.

There's nothing in there that isn't business as usual. Also, it reads like it was researched via a quick googling of the same websites you appear to get your information from. A giant self-referential CF.

Paul Emery

Come on Don show a little courage, is the cited report bunk or not? You can do it. You're a big boy.

Paul Emery

George

For you to check out:

Michael T. Flynn told President Trump’s transition team weeks before the inauguration that he was under federal investigation for secretly working as a paid lobbyist for Turkey during the campaign, according to two people familiar with the case.

Despite this warning, which came about a month after the Justice Department notified Mr. Flynn of the inquiry, Mr. Trump made Mr. Flynn his national security adviser. The job gave Mr. Flynn access to the president and nearly every secret held by American intelligence agencies.

Mr. Flynn’s disclosure, on Jan. 4, was first made to the transition team’s chief lawyer, Donald F. McGahn II, who is now the White House counsel. That conversation, and another one two days later between Mr. Flynn’s lawyer and transition lawyers, shows that the Trump team knew about the investigation of Mr. Flynn far earlier than has been previously reported."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/17/us/politics/michael-flynn-donald-trump-national-security-adviser.html?_r=0

Bill Tozer

"what we do know is Trump hired Flynn while he was under investigation by the FBI"

What we do know is that the Democrats ran a nominee that was under investigation by the FBI.

Walt

Obstruction by "O" and Co. is back in the news. But Paul won't touch that. I take his silence of those facts as "it's was fine when they did it." It's only relevant when LIBs are getting skewered.

Gregory

Paul, you're still firing blanks. That report, furiously put together and released in January at the end of Obama's last term, and in the terminology, "high confidence", the standard for the wikileaks claim, reads as follows:

"High confidence in a judgment does not imply that the assessment is a fact or a certainty; such judgments may be wrong" page 13.

For example, I have high confidence you didn't wade all the way through that report for yourself and are relying on the opinions of others, pointing to that report as your justification for ignoring Wikileaks repeated screams that it wasn't the Russians that leaked to them the Podesta email stashes.

Paul Emery

I did read the Report Don
So it's conclusions are bunk Don?

From the report:

"We assess Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US presidential election. Russia's goals were to undermine public faith in the US democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump," the report said.

Gregory

Paul... did they "assess" (a learned word for "guess") how Russia got the data to Wikileaks in a way that made Assange think it was a Democratic Party insider giving it up?

Walt

Well now. Comey the leakier? The trail points to him. He's going to need a good lawyer.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/06/12/comey-admitted-single-trump-leak-but-were-there-others.html

Walt

Forget Paul? all that was under "O"'s watch. What did "O" do about it? NOTHING!.

Find another tree to bark at.

Don Bessee

I don't have to prove my courage to a pathetic party parrot. In this county alone there are plenty of people who have personally witnessed it over the years. My personal favorite is still the stand off with the armed individual in the sniper suit. ;-)

Interesting reports on the long list of leaks to the NYT under Comey that are being referred to the DOJ IG by the Presidents personal attorney in the Comey complaint.

I expect we will see the former federal prosecutor in Jeff Sessions tomorrow. His statements indicate he will be on the offensive.

George Rebane

PaulE 203pm - Yes, the unmasking of Flynn is still a subject of legal debate. So let's posit that the unmasking was legal. We then have even fewer crimes to investigate as pointed out in DonB's 120pm. Now address that re my 'Mueller's Perpetual Motion' post.

Paul Emery

So you won't stand by your own words Don. Typical for you.

Gregory the definition for assess is: to determine the importance, size, or value of, assess a problem, assess the damage

That's what they did in taking into account all they knew about the situation . They then came up with an assessment that the Russians were behind the whole thing. Do you have a problem with that? Is it bunk?

Don Bessee

Its as if all of the substance damaged brain cells only let po' ol' PE remember what happened in the last year as to told to him by the talking points for lefties email. ;-)

Don Bessee

Too many to's. ;-)

Paul Emery

So at this point I will safely assess that Gregory, Don B and Walt are Russian cuddlers because they side with Putin and Assange rather than the assessment of American intelligence by declaring that the Russians had nothing to do with attempting to influence American elections by hacking private American emails and distributing results to Wikileaks to influence American voters so their choice Trump would win the election. Not sure about George. He's being typically coy about this sort of thing.

Todd Juvinall

No facts PaulE. But there is no there there and it is all a democrat wet dream. You fell for it and are now so embarresed you did tht you locked your self into the lies. Do some critical thinking man, you are coming acres unhinged. And right now the Russians appear to be more believable than any democrat.Sorry to say. But we are not at war so your fears are unfounded.

Paul Emery

Are you saying Russia is not our enemy Todd?

Paul Emery

You can add Todd to the slumber party with Putin. Todd, Gregory, Walt, Don all in their jammies waiting for a bedtime story from Putin.

Paul Emery

Also Todd are you saying the assessment referred to in this chat is a lie?

Gregory

Paul, that makes you an Obama and Hillary cuddler who is desperate to terminate the Trump presidency, as the slap-dash report you're hanging your hat upon was pushed through the Obama administration's last weeks.

You also didn't answer the question, so I'll restate it differently.. are you saying Assange is lying when he stated (multiple times) he didn't get the emails from Russians?

Don Bessee

The po' ol' fakenewsman is descending to depths of rhetorical depravity unseen before the discovery of his reoccurring TURDS eruptions@445. See ya tomorrow po' ol' PE. What would you prefer, a wedgie, noogies or a wet willy? ;-)

Gregory

assess
"estimate the nature, ability, or quality of"

estimate
"rough guess"

Yeah, Paul, assess really is a nice word for a rough guess of he nature, ability, or quality.

"It's a slam dunk, Mr. President"
Assessment by George Tenet, head of CIA (a Democrat appointed by Bill Clinton) to GW Bush regarding WMD's in Iraq

Paul Emery


I am opposed to both parties Gregory. Didn't support Obama 2nd time or Hillary firs time. Trump will terminate his own presidency Gregory without any help from Obama or Clinton. He's near the tipping point right now in the polls and yes they do make a difference-look at Clintons mid term disaster for the Democrats- and he has a dismal record passing legislation with grim prospects for "Trumpcare or his budget and tax cuts.

Yes Assange doesn't want to reveal his source besides he hates this country and will do anything to undermine it. So you believe him over the assessment of our security team?

The assessment has been reaffirmed many times since it's release and is still supported by all security agencies that now have Trump appointed leaders.

Don Bessee

It would be hilarious if the only indictments from Muller are for team 0 characters on the cover up and illegal name disclosures. ;-)

Todd Juvinall

No Paul Emery, I have no use for Putin. And yes we are not at war with Russia. How could you say that? Are you unhinged? And it seems you are committing a Confederate act here. Trying to destroy our Constitution. So I declare you the fifth columnist here. We are trying to save the country and the document. You are tearing it apart and for what? You are a Jefferson Davis.

Paul Emery

todd

I didn't say we were at war, show me where I did. However it's hopelessly naive of you to think they are not our enemy. Todd, do you admit you are siding with the Russians on this rather than American intelligence and security teams? Do you really comprehend what you are assuming by siding with Putin?

Don Bessee

The po' ol' fakenewsman has been making an A** out himself with the most outrageous assumptions Todd. Exactly what are security teams? Unbelievable. ;-)

George Rebane

For the record, I've made my position clear about Russia's desire to influence elections and the politics of every country they could get their hands on. And whoulda thought that so has the US over the decades, and every other country that could? When Russia was the USSR, they did it for world domination. Now I think that they're trying to mess with us because it is in their national interest. However, other than weakening the US internationally, I don't know what their other national interests are other than attempting to dominate (reconquer) their 'near abroad'. It is not in the Russian psyche to become a world class player in commerce. Why? Because their DNA makes them see everything as a zero-sum game - there is no win-win in their ontology (there's that word again).

Walt

This is a great sign of so called impartiality. Comey's bud who now is the "investigator"
stacks the deck with LIBS.
http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/robert-mueller-stocks-staff-democrat-donors/

Bill Tozer

Prison for Reality and prisoners in Reality.

We know what to expect from Putin and what to expect from The Democrat Establishment, the Alt-Left, the MSM, and our local boy carrying the water for the latter three. Right now, I see Putin as a lesser threat to our democracy that the above mentioned others. Gotta call them as I see 'em.

Paul Emery

Okay Don let me re-phrase that.

This is who compiled the Assessment I have been referring to in these postings

The CIA, FBI and NSA

Simple enough for you? You pick Putin rather than their report pure and simple. Russia cuddler Don "Bear Hug" Bessee

Here's a link to the report

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf

Gregory

Paul, remind me, how long have you been registered to vote as a Democrat and why didn't you change your registration to LIB when you decided to join me in voting for Johnson?

We have many enemies in this world, Paul, military and economic, and had John Podesta heeded the warnings the FBI gave him regarding hacking, it's quite possible he'd never have seen the email clickbait that the hackers (assumed to be in Russia) used to get into his computer. The GOP campaign committee didn't make those mistakes and it was their more hardened systems, not a lack of trying, that kept the GOP from being harmed.

The "assessment" of the intelligence community was that since they got in to the Democrat's network and learned more about them, that they must have favored the GOP... of course, DEM incompetence securing their system didn't enter into their "assessment" there.

Paul, you've been carrying water for the Democratic Party with the long knives unsheathed looking to slice the GOP since we started chatting nose to nose well over a year ago. Give it a rest.

Paul Emery

What does my party Registration have to do with the question at hand? Are you registered Libertarian and who did you vote for? You either believe Putin or the assessment presented. It's obvious where your sentiments lie. The FBI, CIA and NSA still support the assessment Gregory and they are run by Trump appointees. You seem to know more than the CIA NSA and FBI. Can you show me one instance of them not supporting the assessment?

Yes, Gregory is a Putin snuggler.

Paul Emery

George

this has nothing to do with Russia being a Communist country it's about it being a dictatorship run by international gangsters. Do you doubt that?

Paul Emery

Here's something to keep an eye on. Who lknows if it's true but it will be very Nixonian of trump to do this.

"President Donald Trump is “considering” firing former FBI Director Robert Mueller, appointed by the Department of Justice to lead the investigation into ties between Trump’s campaign and Russian officials, a friend said Monday.

“I think he’s considering perhaps terminating the special counsel. I think he’s weighing that option,” Newsmax CEO Chris Ruddy told PBS NewsHour’s Judy Woodruff on Monday. "

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-robert-mueller-firing_us_593f1d38e4b02402687c50d4?m=false&ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

Bill Tozer

Lest we forget, the dirty former Commie Bastards also hacked into the Congressional Democrat Campaign Committee, the DNC, and wormed their way into Hillary and Bill's private server. At least that Romanian kid did and enjoyed reading Hillary's State Department e-mails on his lunch break. Kids nowadays.
This was after the FBI came and warned them and yet Podesta's password remained PASSWORD. Hey, didn't those various members of Congress (D) hire those Pakistani brothers and their wives to do all the techie work with complete unfettered access? Geeze, one of the clan took his family and fled to his homeland and now the poor renters here don't know where to mail the checks. Lol. Which was after it was discovered they not only were hired and given the keys to a dozen or more Democrat Congresspersons' computers, they done stole a bunch of the physical computers. Greedy louts they are. Probably sold them for scrap. Or used for blackmail. Job security.
What is it with the Left and security issues? Some things just don't change after all these years, but I digress per usual.

Debbie wants her laptop back real bad. Real bad.

Don Bessee

Dementia boy at 552 who still can not read and understand much of anything. Go try and sell that about me anywhere and no one will be buying what you are selling. Have you stopped beating your dog?

Back to the real world, I just heard Muller hired a lawyer that is a Clinton foundation lawyer. Newt is pointing out how many dem donors have been hired. Hmmmm.... ;-)

Paul Emery

Glad you agree with me Bill that the Russians hacked Private computers to affect the elections. That's something the four cuddlers refuse to accept.

Todd Juvinall

Jefferson Davis Emery. Why are you trying to undermine our country and its election of the President?

Don Bessee

I think its time for Jefferson Davis Emery aka po' ol' fakenewsman PE to have a competency hearing and have a conservator appointed. Sad. ;-)

Bill Tozer

Sure, Punchy, whatever you say. Think I said dirty former Commie Bastards, not to be confused with the current Commie Bastards you carry their water for. Sure, Paul, whatever you say. isn't time for Mommie to bring you your pill? She is running behind I reckon.

Bill Tozer

Speaking of security issues.....

https://www.facebook.com/DeanJamesAff/photos/a.526803324053758.1073741828.526522320748525/1401393706594711/?type=3&theater

Paul Emery

Jefferson Davis Emery??? Where did that come from Todd? You are the one supporting a foreign enemy rather than our own government in a vital security matter.

Todd Juvinall

What are you talking about Jefferson Davis Emery? I don't support Russia or any other country over mine. You are undermining the country and causing a new Confederacy to arise with all your Trump hate. My goodness look in the mirror. You are pushing treason!

Paul Emery

It is you who supportw the Russians Todd not me.

Don Bessee

You did however protest against the US and advocate for socialist policies which are no different than the communists who avowed to destroy us. ;-)

Paul Emery

Protest? When where Don?

Todd Juvinall

Jefferson Davis Paul did you not understand what I wrote at 739? You are the one commiyying treason by creating a lie and undermining the Constitution. I am trying to save the country from you fifth columnists.

Bill Tozer

Timing is everything. Agree with Punchy's Russia Claims or risk 'character assisination'.
Fellow comrades, here is the money quote:

"How exactly did Russia hack our election?" Carlson asked rhetorically.
"They just did," he said of Democrats' response.
Carlson said that when people question that argument, they are met with harsh attacks.
"Character assassination is always easier than making a sensible argument," he said.

Now they are saying Sessions is Putin's boy toy. You can't make this stuff up. They have lost whatever brain cells they had left.
Oh, Vlady, hold me closer and be gentle tonight, lol. Oh Vlady, that's it. Oh Vlady, you tiger you. Grrrrrrr. Oh yes, oh yes, Ohhhhhhhhh Myyyy! Grrrrrrrrr!

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/06/12/tucker-carlson-donald-trump-russia-collusion-jeff-sessions-senate-alabama

Paul Emery

Todd

Once again do you support Putin or the FBI, NSA, and CIA in their assessment that Russia interferred in the '16 el3ction. I'm giving you a chance to redeem yourself and not be a cuddler?

Paul Emery

More evidense that Todd is a Ruskie supporter. A quote from Todd himself earlier today

"Russians appear to be more believable than any democrat."

Paul Emery

Does that mean you'd rather have the Russians run our country than the Democrats? Sounds like it.

Todd Juvinall

Jefferson Davis Emery, you really stretch things in that noggin of yours. I told you I have no lpve of Putin and yet you still try and put words in my mouth. When I say the Rooskies seem to be more credible than democrats, that does not mean I support them. But you are trying to undermine our country and have a coup agiaist a duly elected Predient. You and your ilk are Confedeates all.

Bonnie McGuire


The investigations go on and on to nowhere in the swamp other than to keep everyone in a twitter. Nothing happened with the investigation of Hillary's email breach of security. Maybe the email alias used by Obama was why the FBI didn't prosecute Hillary, because the President would have been guilty too. Bad, but so darned funny! Soap opera mentality...
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/440380/obama-email-alias-clinton-why-fbi-didnt-prosecute-hillary?utm_source=nr&utm_medium=satemail&utm_content=mccarthy&utm_campaign=obama-email&utm_term=VDHM

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