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05 July 2017

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Paul Emery

So what is Trumps military strategy George. So far he created some potholes in a Syrian airfield, quickly repaired with business back to normal, dropped a big bomb in the desert in Afghanistan and talked tough to pathetic little Cuba while praising Putin and the dictator of the Philippines for his inhumane shoot um in the streets strategy of dealing with drugs.

Also you add to that the alienation of our allies in Europe, the neutering of Nato and tough talk about the Wall being paid for by Mexico. He's pretty much a joke and Putin will slurp him up on Friday. Much cause for concern that you don't seem to have.

Walt

Lil' Kim was looking for another extortion payment, like he got from "O" and others.
You know, politics as usual. "pay'm to stay quiet." Trump isn't going to play that game.

Since Paul doesn't pay any attention to the news, (his posts reflect that) Trump is doing fine on the world stage. Great progress with the sandbox war. ISIS is getting it's head handed back to them.(LIB news ain't going to say that. No way will they help Trump look good.) Trade is starting to work in our favor for a change.(despite the LIBS selling us out to foreign interests for decades)

Now to put the ball in Paul's court.
OK smart guy, which West coast city should be hit first? It's either we stop them, or we get nuked. That lunatic WILL use nukes the minute he has a working unit.
So just how bad do you want to see a nuke go off over us?
Liberalism has allowed it to get this far.
And NO. I will not share my "prepper" stash with you. When and if the shit hits the fan, your on your own. Watch how fast the handouts dry up.
At least Hawaii is taking the threat seriously. They are revamping, and restocking their nuke shelters. You can bet Alaska is too.

It's hit, or be hit these days. Which do you prefer?
(Let the crickets sing.)

Bonnie McGuire

I don't know what's wrong with people who can't see and appreciate what America is when it comes to human rights. Our Constitution makes it possible for ordinary people to realize their dreams if they put effort into it. That's why so many people come here. The problem we've been having for some time is caused when government grows too large and makes excuses for more regulations, fees and taxes on private sector businesses and workers to feed itself. Ever notice how much the people's servants pay themselves? President Trump knows both sides, and hopefully will be able to restore sanity and prosperity to America and those who create it. Our government has sacrificed millions of our brave young men, and $ billions all over the world helping other nations. Like individuals, these nations have the power from within to choose what they'll become.

Paul Emery

Never said the threats aren't real Walt. The question is what is Trumps strategy and does he have one.

You say " ISIS is getting it's head handed back to them." Huh that's the first I heard of that. Document please-evidence as George calls it. No change of strategy from Obama if so what is it.

Don Bessee

Neutering of NATO?!? That was a self inflicted wound by the rich EU socialists refusing to pay for their own defense. The President rightly called them out on hollowing out NATO. You trolled him and guess what, they are now going to pay to field proper armies. Talk about being a mouth breathing drooler ya po' ol' fakenewsman. ;-)

Walt

Once again you failed to pay attention. Trump doesn't telegraph what his plan is.
And rightly so. "O" said who, what, when, and where. That worked out SO well.

As for ISIS,, do your own homework. I give handouts when I feel like it.Your able to find that info on your own. No welfare from me Paul.
And as predicted, you dodge my questions. No guts?

Paul Emery

Don

A quote from Trump himself will answer your 4:18

"Trump, April 4: And Wolf Blitzer asked me a question on television. He said, let me just ask you about NATO. And he asked me about it. Now, I haven’t been asked about NATO a lot, but I understand NATO and I understand common sense and I’m, like, a smart person, like many of the people in this room, hopefully all of the people in this room.

But he asked me about NATO. I said it’s obsolete. This is my first thing. And you know what? I’m the first one. Guys that study NATO and good people, but they study NATO and they say, I don’t believe it, what he just said, I never thought of that. They study it because they’re so into it that they don’t realize.

Because it was really put there — you had the Soviet Union and now you have Russia, which is different, but Russia is very powerful, so we can sort of say that’s a balance, so we’ll leave it. But it doesn’t really cover terrorism like it’s supposed to. It doesn’t have the right countries. I mean, many of the countries in there aren’t, you know, that you associate with terrorism.

Walt

Not stale news like Paul likes to use.
http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/05/us-issues-rare-ultimatum-to-china-warns-of-military-force-against-north-korea/

Paul Emery

Talk is cheap Walt. Remember Obama's"line in the sand"? Look what that brought us. The Russians in Syria.

Scott Obermuller

"Remember Obama's"line in the sand"? Look what that brought us."
And you voted for him - none of us did.
What a joke.

George Rebane

The evidence for ISIS being on its back heels is to simply look at the territory they controlled a year ago and compare it with what dominion they have today. It is a sad commentary that our lamestream covers none of this, thereby causing our leftwing neighbors to ask for evidence of ISIS' retreat since their habitual outlets have left them in the dark. And sadder still is that way too may of our lightly read millions also look at the lamestream for their news, never realizing that they are getting filtered propaganda instead. (All you have to do is look at the political leanings of the newsroom who laughably still try to convince their audience that their work product is impartial journalism. You can't make this up.)

Walt

Go ahead Paul, and bet against Trump. Everyone who has, has lost the farm.
Trump is no "O". "O" was as nutless as they get. Trump leaves ditches where his balls drag.

Walt

Another news flash for Paul. Remember we shot down a Syrian fighter jet, and Putin was pissed, and warned Trump? We had some more target practice yesterday.
So much for Trump bowing to Putin.
http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/05/us-leads-isis-fireworks-show-with-37-independence-day-strikes/
We lit up their world like the 4TH of July... Oh..Wait,,,,....Just sharing the festivities.

Don Bessee

Well at least the po' ol' pollhead is acknowledging that 0 gave the middle east to his bro vlad. I don't think our druid thought about that implication when he was furiously tapping his phone @549. ;-)

Paul Emery

George

In your view is Breitbart "impartial journalism"?

Walt

As for Paul, he still won't say who should get thumped first. Us or them.
Should The U.S. should take the first casualties Paul? So name the city.
Maybe just an EMP that throws the West Coast back to the 19TH century.

Speak up. What's your favorite outcome ? Us or them? (how come I get the idea you would rather see us get the first blow?)

Walt

Poor Paul. Still whining about Breitbart. Gotta shoot the messenger, no matter how accurate
the message.

Paul Emery

"Bad Neighbor" Don Bessee, I have condemned Obama's Middle East policy for years and that was a major reason I didn't support him 2nd time around or Hillary last year. Nothing unintentional about my 5:49 comment.

Russ

George,

You hit on an issue that has been puzzling me for a while. How can the Nork's develop sophisticate technology when under a global sanctions. Your Occam's Razor answer seems credible, they are really testing China's technology. Anticipating the capability of the US Navy to pick up stuff off the ocean floor, I am hoping they are doing what they are capable of doing with a high degree of professionalism. In the 1970s we had the capability to track Russian entry vehicles to splashdown. Assuming we still have that capability we know where the entry vehicle is on the ocean floor, with in a reasonable search zone. All those parts have serial numbers and source ID all part of a quality control and tracking system. I will bet they are not written in NorK.

Bill Tozer

Oh Walt and Dr. Rebane @ 5:59 pm
, Punchy is just playing dumb again. He likes to play possum. Yesterday the Washington Compost and Criminal News Network ran the story how US backed Syrians breached Raqqa, leaving ISIS control of an area about 600 square yards...in the entire area. Don't believe me? Ok, read it on NBC.com, BBC, etc, etc.

Another sign that ISIS, like Punchy, is on its heels is they have stopped all offensive tactics and strategies and instead are relying on defensive maneuvers. They are sending out rogue suicide bombers in trucks and are booby trapping their last strongholds. They still control coastal regions of Libya, but that is only because our attention is on Iraq and Syria right now.

Don Bessee

Yo, po' ol' fakenewsman, the tweaker scum bags moved away long ago. It got to the point that the cops would annotate their reports that they did not interview them due to their hostility to law enforcement. Keep carrying that party parrot water. ;-)

Walt

Well Bill, I find it funny that Paul won't commit to anything. Nope, won't put his cards on the table. Yet expects to be taken seriously. For a "news guy" is really short on answers and facts.
Lil'l Kim needs a good carpet bombing with MOABS, and smart bombs. Send NK back to the stone age. Our high tech toys know where every artillery piece is. Those should be the first to vaporize. Or anything else that could mess with the South. Then the nuke sights, minutes later. OH.. there is plenty that we can do. Just get rid of the JAG lawyers who
tied the hands of our troops in the Gulf conflicts. Those LIB "rules of engagement" is what got our troops killed.
You don't wait for the rabid dog to bite you before putting a bullet in it.

We can always send Paul over there to "talk with our enemy". (that worked out great when "O" tried it.) I'm sure Paul can bow real low, and be REALLY apologetic.
Yup, that will get Kim to stand down and play nice.

George Rebane

PaulE 640pm - No.

Scott Obermuller

from Paul - "I have condemned Obama's Middle East policy for years..."
Yes - after you helped vote him into power.
Thanks, Paul.
Why did you vote for him? Did he fool you too?
Or do you have some other explanation?
Funny how you consider yourself superior to those who were never fooled for a second.

Paul Emery

Did you vote for Bush Scott ? If you did did you vote for him a second time ?

Paul Emery

Well George looks like we have a task we can undertake How about we engage in a dialogue to find media sources we can agree on that are credible ? Then at least we can engage in conversations based upon agreeable news resources.

Gregory

Paul, did you vote for Al Gore for President?

Did you vote for John Kerry?

Orange you glad you didn't have to decide whether or not to vote for either a second time?

George Rebane

PaulE 1130pm - You are confusing 'biased' with 'credible'. A biased news source may be also credible and vv.

Scott Obermuller

"Then at least we can engage in conversations based upon agreeable news resources."
I regularly check multiple news sources for contested issues. Sometimes the best 'source' isn't a single one, but an amalgam of several.
Drudge wasn't considered a 'credible' news source (and still isn't for many) but managed to get the truth out about Clinton when no one else would. If you filter your input of information through a lens of what you consider to be an 'agreeable' news source, you could leave out part or all of what is the truth of a matter.
When it comes to situations such as we have with N Korea, I tend to be wary of everything I read no matter what the source as it's impossible to get a lot of good info from inside the country itself.
If a nuke were to detonate over Hawaii, I would have to go pretty much with what ever the Fed govt tells us, but I would have to also be open to the fact that they are lying or just wrong. Some times the real story comes out later. Look how many decades it took to find out about the USS Maine. Now I realize a missile can be tracked, but we also have those darn satellites that can just drop right in rather unexpectedly.

Walt

I bet Paul says CNN is "credible". BTW Paul, It was Breitbart than exposed CNN's lies and BS, and forced the retractions of said fake news.
So just "who" has credibility issues?

Paul Emery

Gregory

Voted third party three of the last 5 elections

Todd Juvinall

How did he vote? He is not even on the rolls.

Paul Emery

Todd, you are full of shit.

Todd Juvinall

No you are and you are not registered under Paul Emery. Give us a screen shot of your registration to prove you are not committing voter fraud.

Don Bessee

'agreeable news sources' agreeable to the po' ol' party parrots line, that's rich! ;-)

Gregory

Paul, is (or was) Jeff Pelline an "impartial journalist"?

Take your time. [cue the Final Jeopardy! theme]

George Rebane

Dear Readers - I invite your continued comments on/about assessing news sources under 'News sources legitimate, ...'. Thank you for keeping those fine sentiments in a readily retrievable location.

Bill Tozer

Dr. Rebane, concerning the topic.

I remember the decades of the Chinese military building up its arenosol with almost exclusively defensive weaponery. Hardware like anti-aircraft systems, naval ships patrolling her harbors and coastline, buying thousands of tanks, and its Air Force nearly deplete of long range bombers. Even their subs stayed closer to home. Yes, there were always exceptions.

Then one day I read of the ground shaking shift in China, i.,e., the move from defensive to offensive military capabilities.

North Korea? I remember the North Korean sub in the Gulf of California (Sea of Cortez) as well as NK being the biggest state sponsored counterfeiters of the US dollar on earth. Very impressive printing presses. That was then, this is now.
Pray for peace, prepare for war. War is Hell---George Custer.
https://patriotpost.us/posts/50021

Paul Emery

Gregory

I don't have any recollection of Pelline's work when he was at the Union. His blog is not a journalistic endeavor. Seems to have a pretty nice food and travem mag.

George Boardman

I hate to interrupt this sophisticated exchange of bon mots, but I have a question for Dr. R that is actually germaine to the topic of this post:

If your theory is correct, when will the Chinese apply the brakes? It must have occurred to them that we will retaliate if North Korea is perceived as a real threat to the U.S., and that China and Russia are likely to suffer collateral damage, particularly if any nuclear weapons or material are destroyed when we strike back.

And if we don't get all of the nukes on the first strike, at least one is likely to be launched toward the south or Japan, rendering those areas nuclear waste sites for a very long time.

Does China really want to take that risk?

George Rebane

Administrivia - It really is a pain in the ass to sort through and delete a bunch of comments that have nothing to do with the subject of my post. Most recently it was a frenzied thread about someone's voter registration - I kid you not! Those yawn extracting exchanges belong in the nearest sandbox.

ScenesFromTheApocalypse

"If your theory is correct, when will the Chinese apply the brakes?"

Perhaps because there are different mafias within China all with their hands partly on the controls.

I like GR's theory, but it could be that using NK as a tool is a group decision. That is to say, there's no specific guiding intelligence or plan behind it, but the result is the same. Mass intelligence can put you into some strange places.

Don Bessee

The exponential increase in the N Korean missile technology can be tracked directly to Iran getting paid by 0. The nexus between Iran and fat kim has been long established. China may not be as 'in' as we think. Take a psycho ayatollah with the cash and will and fat kims scientists and what they could be planning may unfortunately surprise even the Chinese. ;-)

George Rebane

GeorgeB 130pm – Thank you for that very germane question Mr Boardman. For openers, I don’t see that NK must appear to be on the threshold of a nuclear first strike against the US for the fat kid to remain a useful and manipulable asset for the Chinese. NK can be pulled back at any time by Xi Jinping at a moment’s notice. We forget that it only takes the slightest nod from President Xi, and the fat kid becomes dog food with the NK high command and families watching from the stands. Those communication back channels have been in place for years.

Second, there are yet a number of nuanced shows of force available to us before commencing a military strike against either NK’s nuclear or missile programs (since I believe those to be really nothing but demonstrating China’s capabilities). I can detail a number of these, but then, so can you. Third, a measured, surgical military strike against, say, NK’s next insipient detonation/launch, supportive facilities, or even the rocket batteries threatening Seoul will definitely not trigger a larger war with China. Why? Because it is in neither China’s nor America’s interest to escalate the conflict into a war between superpowers. For one thing, China is not ready, and, as mentioned above, a rogue NK can continue to serve China’s interests without the capability to nuke the US. China has too many good things in the works all over the world that would come crashing down if they suddenly declared themselves to be an ‘Article 5 ally’ of the existentially most evil tyranny on the planet.

BTW, any US strike on NK will be first communicated via back channel to China so that 1) they will not be surprised, and 2) that they may decide to redirect the fat kid and give us the evidence that they did. China and the US are de facto economic allies joined at the hip through commerce and debt, and China will not let NK spoil that relationship, especially if Trump carefully explains the matter to Xi (and then we won’t even tell the world what we conveniently didn’t find on the bottom of the Sea of Japan). Thoughts?

Don Bessee

Lets also remember that fat kim put a hit on his brother who was in contact with the Chinese. He may have been part of a plan to make fat kim worry about being swapped out for his brother in dynastic N Korea.

After all these years of N Korean crap you would think that every kind of sanction would be in place but they are not yet. ;-)

George Boardman

My references to Russia and China had to do with the radiation fall-out they're likely to experience if there are any nuclear explosions on the Korean Peninsula.

You had me until I got to the following: "if Trump carefully explains the matter to Xi." That'll be the day.

George Rebane

GeorgeB 233pm - Try to contain your love for Trump ;-) distracting tweets aside, the man has already surprised us, and no doubt will continue to do so. That said, why would there be nuclear explosions on the Korean peninsula, especially if Xi says no?

As an aside, in the northern hemisphere the prevailing winds are from west-to-east; any radioactive fallout would be swept eastward and would present a bigger threat/nuisance to the US than to China. We would not need to use nukes - that's why God invented the MOAB - but perchance if we would, they would be fractional kiloton warheads placed on deep penetration bunker buster rockets that would cause minimal disturbance on the surface.

Don Bessee

If the North hit Seoul today the weather system would send the main cloud up along the Chinese coast. If it blew in Pyonyang on a launch pad etc. a ground burst would blow across the top of N Korea along the Chinese coastal areas and coast. That's with a big low sitting between N Korea and Japan. The weather has a lot of impact on the fallout. Rain could wash much into the ocean and so on. As noted they have relatively low yield weapons but even a small one on downtown Seoul would be catastrophic. ;-)

ScenesFromTheApocalypse

If Seoul wasn't held hostage, I expect that this whole thing would come down very differently.

George Boardman

It's not what's in our missiles that the Chinese and Russians should fear; It's what explodes when they hit the nuclear stock pile in North Korea.

Don Bessee

Even the N Koreans and Iranians would not want fully armed warheads laying around. There are things you can do in the design that does not hamper a quick reaction but prevents unintentional detonations. ;-)

Todd Juvinall

I say plant a ABM setup on some warships off their coast and then shot down the missiles. I don't think Kim wants to be a crispy critter.

George Rebane

re GeorgeB 312pm - Not to worry; the fat kid has his nukes buried in the deepest hole in NK. And my money is on his not even having too many if any nukes under his control. He gets them from his puppet master as they need to be 'tested'. We must remember that Kim has literally no negotiating position with Xi, whose deal with Kim is simply, 'I'll keep you alive and in fat pills, and you do what I say. Capice?'

Don Bessee

We had t-shirts back in the day that had a cruise missile on the front and on the back said; ALCM delivers self illuminated glass topped parking lots in Iran upon demand. ;-)

George Boardman

Of course, if Dr. R is wrong and the North Koreans have done this all by themselves...If Pakistan can develop a nuclear capability, anything is possible.

Don Bessee

Its no secret that Pakistan's European trained scientist AQ Kahn was partnered with China, Iran, NKorea and Libya. It started when Pakistan was weapon embargoed and India went nuclear. China was even behind in centrifuge tech and needed help from Kahn. The axis of evil is alive and well and causing the trouble that was predicted. ;-)

Scott Obermuller

OK - Mr Boardman has posited that NK might be in the running as a self-contained nuke weapon country and as everyone knows is working on delivery systems.
So, Mr Boardman - what is our country to do?
Diplomacy and payoffs haven't seemed to do the trick, despite all of the blather from the Dems.
The NK citizens live in a hell you wouldn't wish on anyone from Selma Alabama.
Ball's in your court, Mr Boardman.
What's the answer?

Don Bessee

The weekly standard is citing a new German report on Iran, N Korea and Pakistan actively trying to evade controls on nuke, missile and chemical weapon components as we speak. One incident involved a Chinese company trying to get 56 valves that could be used in the Iranian reactor to produce plutonium. The report only focused on 1 German state that has significant industrial production related to restricted items.

So this begs the question about how much was successful and how much happened in other countries? And the beat goes on. Who would have thought the Ayatollah would use the 150 billion for bad? Thanks 0! ;-)

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