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25 September 2017

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rl crabb

The President of the United States singled out one NFL player who isn't even on a team to rally the troops. It was a calculated move to further drive a wedge between the base and everyone else. Mission accomplished.

Gregory

That player who isn't playing also, by a number of reports, didn't bother to vote last November.

Gregory

Kaepernick has never even registered to vote.

http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article114803073.html

Don Bessee

The rules are found on pages A62-63 of the league’s game operations manual:
The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.
During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses. ;-)

George Rebane

I suppose the attempt to blame the whole thing on President Trump is both lame and expected. No doubt, the progressives’ correct response would have been for our president to kiss rather than metaphorically kick their collective asses, something that would have suited Obama to a tee. Instead our current president did the opposite, and spoke up for the rest of the country - those of us who watch these demonstrations with sad repulse.

Walt

There are plenty of people who believe the players have a 1ST Amendment right. Well guess what.. They are wrong.
Their fist amendment right stopped when they signed a contract.
The Bill of Rights refers to the Government. Not a private employer.

Doug tried to make that fly last night. (went down in flames)
Yup,,bun bun got scorched.

Todd Juvinall

Seems all the tragedies RL is concerned about happened during a black Presidents tenure. Blame him bub./

George Boardman

I suspect Sunday's demonstrations had more to do with giving Trump the finger than disrespecting the flag.

rl crabb

Trump made an issue out of nothing, which has become his standard operating procedure. He's better off needling Chairman Un, a kindred spirit.

Don Bessee

Nothing to you crabman but disrespecting the national flag that many fought, bled and died for does not sit well with them or their friends and families. ;-)

fish

Posted by: rl crabb | 25 September 2017 at 03:11 PM

Trump made an issue out of nothing


If he could learn to be a little more judicious in his choice of "issues" he would be really dangerous.

rl crabb

Trumpie used to be more sensible... http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/25/politics/trump-nfl-tweet-four-years-ago-trnd/index.html

Walt

This will come back to bite the NFL.
These players forget who makes their paychecks.(the fans)
Most people respect the flag, the National Anthem and those who died protecting it.
No more games on the tube in this house.
The fans sure were NOT happy yesterday.
Even if 1/3d of the "fans" throw in the towel, that is going to sting like a kick to the shins.

Todd Juvinall

I like that Trump is in the weeds. We saw Obama in the weeds all the time about local issues especially. So all you libs get used to this. He is sticking a finger in your eye.

And GeorgeB is right. The little kids had to show dad they were not going to do what he said. Babies all.

fish

Posted by: rl crabb | 25 September 2017 at 03:23 PM


Yeah....you'd think that learning from Obamas mistakes would be way up there on the "to do" list!

Todd Juvinall

I like that Oklahoma Senator saying hey. All you lefties make heroes out of these spoiled brat millionaires and call it free speech. Yet have the High School coach fired for a silent prayer after the game. Love it when the left is shown to be the hypocrites they are.

rl crabb

Those spoiled brat millionaires didn't get where they are by being lazy. They worked their asses off to make the big leagues. You know, the free market, baby. Last week, maybe a handful of them were concerned about Kapernick taking a knee. Not one team would sign him. Thanks to the President of the United States, he now has multiple teams and owners in his corner.
Like I said before, it was calculated to divide and distract. While healthcare flounders once again, there must be circuses to keep the troops fired up. Otherwise, they might start to wonder why they voted for these bozos.

Todd Juvinall

Yeah you are really such a political smarty pants. I say Trump is just transparent and says what comes into his brain. And unlike mealy-mouth politicians, he does not mince words.

George Rebane

The spoiled brat millionaires have no idea about the nation they are disrespecting. For all of their talents, anywhere else they wouldn't make a tenth of what they're pulling down here. And yes, it's due to markets that some of us are still trying to keep as free as they are today. But the headwinds from our politically correct collectivists are considerable.

George Boardman

That well-known left wing rag, The Wall Street Journal, wrote in its lead editorial today that Trump entered the fray with his "familiar combination of gut political instinct, rhetorical excess, and ignorance."

That's our Donnie!

fish

Posted by: George Boardman | 25 September 2017 at 05:08 PM


That's our Donnie.


Well if you didn't want to suffer through a Trump administration I guess you should have nominated somebody other than a charmless, menopausal, hard drinking, seizure prone hack!

Just sayin.....

Walt

The truth will be told soon. The stadiums will be empty, or close to full. I'm on the side of plenty of empty seats.
Will tickets become half price just to fill those seats?
Let the wallet voting begin.

Scott Obermuller

Boardman at 5:08 - You seem to agree with that quote, no?
"...and ignorance"
Let's see - he's built a multi-billion dollar empire, had his own TV show, gives away more money to charity than you could ever earn in an eon, pays more taxes than you than you would ever in a thousand years, gainfully employs hundreds of people - and oh, yes - I do believe he's the president of the United States. Despite running against the status quo of both parties and being vastly outspent and being constantly lied about by the MSM and folks like you.
And Boardman is...?
Yeah, you go, Boardman - keep calling him names. I guess it makes you feel important and real intellectual. Last time I challenged you to back up your BS lip about Trump, you ran off and hid.
I can think of several things I don't like about Trump, but ignorance is not one of them.
Hillary calling potential voters vile names was real savy - right?

Scott Obermuller

Did you see the photos of the stadium before the 49ers game? They used to sell out every game. Tickets were going for practically nothing.
Bunch of spoiled brats disrespecting the values that enable their lavish salaries is just stupid. As far as this being about Trump - I haven't heard that from any of the players. Free market? Yep - I'm not buying.

Todd Juvinall

Boardman, that is why he got elected. We love that!

George Boardman

Todd, I can appreciate how you related to people who are ignorant.

Obermuller, I didn't call Trump anything--I was just quoting the Journal. As for the 49ers, the fact the team has been crappy the last two years in the main reason its attendance is down.

Walt

Sorry George B., but the right person for the right time was elected.
Just imagine if crazy Bernie or GOD forbid Hillary got elected.

The great divider "O" did a bang up job of it.

Todd Juvinall

Yeah GeorgeB but we dumbasses beat you smarty pants.

Russ Steele

Boardman@06:15 PM

Poor performance as not the issue on Sheriff McGinnis's radio show today. McGinnis said he stopped watching the 49er a year ago after Kaepernick took the knee. Most of the caller agreed with McGinnis, no mention of performance. True this is just several data points. As a vet, if I watched football, I would quit watching the NFL. You might want to check with the Vets about your performance meme for the 49ers.

Don Bessee

Three is a direct correlation between the NFL ratings tanking this and last year and that looser CK taking a knee. I wonder how long it is until the owners and Godell remember they have a Federal anti-trust waiver? Fail to honor the vets and first responders at your own risk billionaire owners and millionaire players. ;-)

Scott Obermuller

Boardman - "...I didn't call Trump anything--I was just quoting the Journal."
Pathetic. You might have noticed that I asked if you agreed. Too difficult to answer?
You just bring random quotes to George's blog from the WSJ?

George Rebane

Those who denigrate Trump's qualifications for president are usually those who saw no such deficits in Obama, a man who had absolutely no credible resume for even becoming dog catcher of Resume Speed, Iowa. And yet he assumed the highest office in the land because he projected a handsome, well-spoken (albeit abysmally ignorant) figure. And, of course, he had the correct racial underpinnings as our first Section 8 president.

Todd Juvinall

The arrogance of the losers on the left is breathtaking. Did they celebrate Castro's takeover in Cuba in 1959? Probably. All those great unwashed guerillas were the left's heroes. And most were simple farmers. My my. And Trump is so stupid according to these lefty brainiacs that he became a billionaire with a recognizable worldwide brand. Yep, he is just a stupid man according to the lefty losers.

Bill Tozer


To kneel or not to kneel. Seems to me that Kap took a knee well beforeTrump became President.

https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/1172488912885144/?type=3&theater

Newt's take
https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/1172504116216957/?type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/1172215752912460/?type=3&theater

Barkley's take
https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/925467187603504/?type=3&theater

Michael Savage's take:
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/09/25/michael-savage-national-felons-league-spitting-america-not-fans/

Bill Tozer

It's all about keeping the myth alive:

By Thomas Gallatin
https://patriotpost.us/articles/51499

BunBun

Ok Snowflakes, here is the skinny on sports and patriotism,

https://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/_cache/files/12de6dcb-d8d8-4a58-8795-562297f948c1/tackling-paid-patriotism-oversight-report.pdf

BunBun

Head to your safe spaces,

'''In the 1950s, the Baltimore Orioles, of all teams, decided that playing "The Banner" before every game cheapened its impact. The general manager at the time decided that he was going to only play it during special occasions.

The Chicago Cubs owner felt the same way. And he did not play "The Banner" before every game until the '60s, during the Vietnam War. And even in the 1960s, the Chicago White Sox experimented with substituting "God Bless America."'''
http://www.npr.org/2016/09/04/492599463/how-did-the-national-anthem-get-to-be-a-mainstay-of-sports-in-the-first-place

Don Bessee

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz @1258,102 ;-)

BunBun

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz @1258,102 ;-)

Too many martinis for lunch?;(

fish

Posted by: BunBun | 26 September 2017 at 02:35 PM

Too many martinis for lunch?


Typical proglodyte! No such thing as too many martinis for lunch!

Paul Emery

Can any of you think of any other job where you're required to stand up for the national anthem him before going to work ?

George Rebane

PaulE 645pm - Can you think of any other job that involves competing at a public event attended by 50K - 100K Americans? (Feel free to throw in the Olympics which has perhaps the most lavish display of commonality that launch the games.)

For those unclear on the concept, at public events people holding a shared belief or sentiment have always had an opening ceremony that involves some visible demonstration of their commonality. Pledges, anthems, salutes, etc have served that function in ALL cultures. Today the globalist progressives working hard to destroy such manifestations of sovereign diversity use every opportunity to denigrate shows of shared patriotism and/or shared beliefs. The common predictor of such criticisms from the Left, as that of Mr Emery and his cohort, is to examine the tenets of A21 - if the activity does not conform, then it is deigned to be anywhere from foolilsh through unnecessary to repulsive.

Re BunBun 1258pm - We note the Alinskian use of 'Snowflakes' to refer to right-leaning commenters. These predictable patterns are precious to behold.

Paul Emery

George are you saying it should be written into the Constitution that you do not qualify to be President if you are a first-time senator ?

Gregory

Paul, you've the timeline wrong.

They go to work (at the "Stadium") and change into the uniform. It's then showtime.

Already at work, they then participate in the ceremony specified by the NFL that involves the national anthem.

George Rebane

PaulE 700pm - No, but it would be both illuminating and entertaining to know how you could draw the conclusion that prompted your question. Please share it.

Walt

You know Paul,, If I owned a business, I could do that.
If the employee didn't like it,, there is the door. There are plenty more where that one came from.
Your right to protest ends at the employers doorstep.

The NFL will regret allowing this.

Paul Emery

George writes:

Obama, a man who had absolutely no credible resume for even becoming dog catcher of Resume Speed, Iowa. And yet he assumed the highest office in the land because.....

Walt

George. I don't think Paul wants to see another "people's" President. Trump is truly "from the people".
Paul. That comes out of,, " By",,"for",, and "from" the people.
It's in the Constitution.

Walt

Paul... Just what was "O"'s actual creds? All his history has been locked away for no one to see.

Scott Obermuller

"And yet he assumed the highest office in the land because....."
Dimwitted naive hayseeds like Paul voted for him.
Sorry Paul - you lob up a high slow one and I have to knock it out of the park.

Walt

Now Paul is pulling a bunbun? Some things never change.

George Rebane

PaulE 706pm - That was your reasoning for thinking I wanted to modify the Constitution??!! Oh my.

Walt

Was Paul vacationing at high altitude?

Don Bessee

HAHA HIGH altitude! So it begins, the NFL sponsors are having their public communications portals flooded with righteous indignation from customers about disrespecting the Flag & Anthem. Direct TV will fully refund your NFL package fee if you cancel because of said disrespect. ;-)

BunBun

Oh Donnie, we feel your pain, White Lives Matter! Po' little redneckman!

George Rebane

Gentlemen, let's stick to the topic please.

bunbun

https://mobile.twitter.com/AriWilker/status/911981782102405120/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.distractify.com%2Fpolitics%2F2017%2F09%2F25%2FAaajA%2Firony-respecting-american-flag

George Rebane

bunbun 740am - And your point?

Paul Emery

You specifically said Obama was not qualified to be president Implies some set of credentials he lacked. I assume that will be a universal requirement

One more note before I hit the road the country was in a whole lot better shape after Obama was president then after Bush was president That cannot be denied

George Rebane

PaulE 1028am - Half the country has ennumerated the considerable "set of credentials (Obama) lacked." Since these pages overflow with them, we need not restate them here. And yes, the credentials he lacked have by past generations been taken by the voters as prerequisites for office.

Since both presidents had opposing party Congresses during their last terms, what benefits and boo-boos do you attribute to each of them individually?

Walt

Just where WAS Paul for the last 8 years? Better shape you say?
That's why we are on the step of the next civil war thanks to him.
Race relations have never been worse since after the last civil war.
"O" is know known as the Great divider.. Yes Paul,, that the "progress" you speak of. How many times did "O" come out against the police without any facts?
Sided with terrorist organizations around the world. Turned the Middle East into a fireball, Then runs and hides as Putin invades an ally.
So do tell...Just how was the U.S. in better shape as you claim?
( Oh.. Yes... Destruction of our health care system.. That was a GREAT improvement.)
Thanks again for reminding us of your memory issues.

Gregory

Paul, George said Obama didn't have the qualifications to be dogcatcher in Resume Speed, IA. That might be true.

The qualifications for president revolve around being a natural born citizen above a certain age, and getting the votes of the electors to win the election. No other experience or training required.

Most believe Obama met the requirements for holding orifice, and most think Trump met the requirements.

Back to the show.

fish

Posted by: Paul Emery | 27 September 2017 at 10:28 AM

One more note before I hit the road the country was in a whole lot better shape after Obama was president then after Bush was president That cannot be denied


Sure it can......Obama kept things looking Rosie by spending a shit ton of conjured money! Of course it's always "all good" for Punch because he isn't going to get stuck with the tab!

Paul Emery

George

Can you explain what you mean when you wrote Obama "had the correct racial underpinnings as our first Section 8 president" On it's own it means nothing. Section 8 is a financial assistance program for poor folks to help subsidize their rent. What does that have to do with Obama? Exactly what is a "section 8 President" anyway?

George Rebane

PaulE 810pm - https://www.inc.com/encyclopedia/8a-program.html

George Boardman

Paul E., you need to introduce Dr. R to some of the fine white people in western Nevada County who are standing in line to get into Section 8 housing.

George Rebane

re Messrs PaulE and GeorgeB - Apparently neither of these liberal gentlemen are familiar with the longstanding SBA Sec 8 set asides for minorities. Perusing the link in my 930pm just might inform them - one never knows.

Paul Emery

Yeah George R. That's what I was referring to.

I read your lik George and appreciate it.

What exactly are the "correct racial underpinnings" that you refer to in your 8:28? I don't get the connection.

Paul Emery

Meant to write "Yeah George B. That's what I was referring to.

George Rebane

PaulE 1029am - I'll give you one more chance at the obvious. Reading the SBA link should make that very clear; unless, of course, you still haven't figured out that Barack Obama is a mulatto, which in today's scheme of things gets him identified as a black, with all the politically correct benefits thereto.

BunBun

Chickenhawks take note,

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/formerlyfundie/one-sacrificed-stop-using-anti-take-knee-argument/

Paul Emery

So what you are saying is that Obama received some sort of assistance in his path to the Presidency because of government programs designed to assist minorities. Am I correct?

George Rebane

PaulE 1210pm - Paul, you are so far off base that it is beyond my meager ability to help you in this matter. But thanks for the attempt to understand.

BunBun 1034am - I submit that your referenced vet is an outlier in the distribution of vets' sentiments on this matter. I wonder how he would fare in the company of other vets by taking the knee during the pledge of allegiance in the local vets hall. But by no means would I want to deny the airing of his sentiments.

Paul Emery

george sice I am so far off base help me understand why Obama's race played into the picture with section 8 that caused you to write that Obama "had the correct racial underpinnings as our first Section 8 president"

And what exactly is a "Section 8 President" anyway?

BunBun

Rosa Parks was not protesting the Bus,

Gandhi was not protesting the Food,

Players are not protesting the Anthem.

It's the injustice, home boys!

fish

Posted by: BunBun | 28 September 2017 at 01:31 PM


An original composition Keach?

Todd Juvinall

That terrible injustice of those men becoming part of the dreaded ONE PERCENT!

Don Bessee

What no meme to go with it bungholiokeachie @ 131? ;-)

Todd Juvinall

Oh my, PE is hearing those "dog whistles" again. For some reason, my ears can't. Dang it!

Don Bessee

It must be your white privilege @ 149. ;-)

Paul Emery

Don

CAn you tell me what a "section 6 President is" ?

Paul Emery

SP Can you tell me what a "section 8 President is"?

This is for Todd as well.

George Rebane

PaulE 128pm - It is widely accepted by the Right that Obama's race played the deciding factor in his being elected, since his other qualifications ranged between meager and absent. In other words, if a lily white with those qualifications had run against McCain, he would have gone down in flames. Race played the 'set aside' role in voters' minds (hence the Sec 8 metaphor) that, absent other desiderata, got him into office. It somewhat amazes me that you have not known any of this, whether you agreed with it or not.

Bunbun 131pm - What injustice? Apparently you did not read Jason Riley.

Don Bessee

You are the po' ol' fakenewsman, you tell us. ;-)

Paul Emery

George

You don't think that Bush's terrible tenure in office and the desperate state of our economy as well as the War in Iraq played major rolls in Obama's victory?

Don Bessee

Why, why, why? Sad. ;-)

Paul Emery

George

Here are the numbers for 2008 and 2012
2012 Obama had 365 electoral votes, McCain had 173
Obama had 53% McCain had 46% (rounded off) of the popular vote
Those numbers are considered a landslide.

In 2012 McCain picked up a little but was still soundly defeater

Electoral votes 332-206
popular vote 51-47& Rounded off

These were substantial victories George. Your contention that Obama's race was the deciding factor in those elections seems far fetched. I'm surprised you have attached yourself to that opinion.

Todd Juvinall

OMG! Attached to an opinion even the left alleges? The economy smoked under Bush until the very end of his term. And all that was caused by your pals in Congress forcing banks to lend to people that were not able to repay a home loan. My goodness, retreads are just boring. As far as Obama winning and securing the white liberal guilt vote? Very documented. So once again PE makes stuff up and passes judgment from his "white privilege" positions.

Paul Emery

Didn't make anything up Todd. My numbers were right from the voting results.

Are you saying that Bush was a good President? Astonishing. How about Iraq?

Don Bessee

Have you paid your reparations for your white privilege yet ya po' ol' fakenewsman? ;-)

Todd Juvinall

Paul Emery, we debated Bush many times. Are you experiencing dementia?

Don Bessee

No kneelers tonight but the game was stopped due to a big lightning storm. Divine comment? ;-)

Don Bessee

Denver players announce an end to anthem protests! ;-)

Todd Juvinall

Well,As predicted the left in America has spun the anti-American antics of these NFL players and owners into a "race" thing. So what's new? Nothing of course. I have watched them do this with puppies and kitties too. If you have a difference of opinion with the left, it cannot be legitimate. It must be you are a bigot, racist etc. My my. Sort of like that third-grade kid on the softball field who thinks he deserves the "ups" when you are next. And if you don't let them have it, you are a racist pig.

Sorry liberals, you are wearing your welcome out. Why can't you take responsibility for your actions? I mean hey, I do that every day. No one handed me anything, I worked hard all my life for the little bit I have. And I never blamed a Mexican or a black person when I had travails. But now I hear from these ingrates they are mad about the flag and the National Anthem and "white privilege".

What you whiners forget is we all worked for what we have. But if someone breaks the laws and gets caught they have to pay the price. You may go to the hoosegow. So if you don't want to go to the hoosegow what advice do I have for you? Don't do the crime! If you want to succeed in America play by the rules. Just like you have to in the NFL game. If you break the rule you get penalized or tossed. Lesson learned.

If a policeman pulls you over, be courteous, don't talk back and do what the officer tells you. If that is too tough, I say remember you dad might have taken you to the woodshed for any show of disrespect of him. So get smart. Don't break the law. Get a job. Take advantage of the free education we give every kid in America. Hell, it is FREE! Isn't that nice?

But whining all the time about how the "man" is dissing you gets you absolutely nothing in this country. We prize hard work and respect. Take personal responsibility for yourself and stop blaming others. I am not a racist or a homophobe or a misogynist. I do my best to be fair and get along with others. But your whining and blame gaming has grown thin. If this country and its laws and people are not your cup of tea, I suggest researching others that may be to your liking. I am sure we can help with the travel costs.

Don Bessee

Ticket resellers report an 18% drop in NFL ticket sales after week 3.

Yahoo fiancé's poll says; 62% of NFL fans will watch less football behind disrespecting the flag.

78% of NFL fans say kneeling during the anthem is wrong. $$$ matter the NFL. ;-)

Don Bessee

Forgot this one- The NFL brand favorablilty went from 30% net positive on Sept 21st to 17% net favorable on Sept 28th. ;-)

Don Bessee

Add the Cowboys to the list of teams abandoning anthem protests. ;-)

Bill Tozer

Well, I reckon all eyes are still not on the knellers by now. MSM averaged something like 56 minutes of the NFL-Trump reality show per 23 minutes covering Puerto Rico. What can I add to the conservation? Not much. Heard fans are burning jerseys, a quiet Veterans Day NFL boycott, the usual stuff.

BOTTOM LINE: This NFL millionaire boys club spectacle was just a grain of rice that tipped the scales for me. The death nail to any hope of having a color blind society. The libs and media won't stand for that!!! Alas. The Dream was just a dream.

https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/927224350761121/?type=3&theater

You decide:
http://www.dailywire.com/news/21730/watch-new-arrest-video-shows-nfls-michael-bennett-ryan-saavedra

Don Bessee

Interesting that the NBA warned its teams and players in a memo to stand one and all for the anthem or face the consequences. ;-)

Bill Tozer

Well, I won’t say RIP to the NFL just yet, but the game just won’t be the same once politics became not everything, but the only thing in football.

https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.254420818025296.63999.217926015008110/1175399982594037/?type=3&theater

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