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02 September 2017

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John

Great post George and Norm. I would love to hear what the more logical thinkers like Steve Frisch have to say.

Paul Emery

George

Do the "50% subsidized" percentage you quote include those collecting social security, military retirees, seniors on Medicare, farmers such as Doug LA MALFA and disabled veterans?

Paul Emery

Could you provide some kind of link to your 50% estimate.

George Rebane

PaulE 1027am - A careful read of my post reveals that I am not its author. And the 50% includes all of the cohorts you mention (plus more probably). But the point made is that America is a land where government can be trusted to and depended upon to disperse all kinds of goodies from mandated redistribution of wealth. And this is the land that the Left wants to fundamentally transform into one that owns and distributes all (albeit much less than now) wealth, and the Right wants to wealth redistribution to return to a more voluntary basis by those who earn it.

Leftwing journalists who would deign expand their reading spectrum (beyond DailyKos, HuffPo, WaPo, CNN, MSNBC, ...) would have no trouble finding substantiating links like this -
https://www.forbes.com/sites/merrillmatthews/2014/07/02/weve-crossed-the-tipping-point-most-americans-now-receive-government-benefits/#5c6c8bac3e6c

Paul Emery

So George it is safe to assume that a sizeable percentage of the 50% you quote are those who have earned it.

Don Bessee

3 po' ol' fakenewsman posts with absolutely no contribution and it looks like he is so locked into why, why, why he does not even bother with question marks any more. Sad.

Thanks Norm! ;-)

ScenesFromTheApocalypse

"
So George it is safe to assume that a sizeable percentage of the 50% you quote are those who have earned it."

Medicare? Highly subsidized.

Social Security? Highly subsidized for low earners, the opposite of highly subsidized for high earners.

ScenesFromTheApocalypse

fwiw

https://www.forbes.com/sites/merrillmatthews/2014/07/02/weve-crossed-the-tipping-point-most-americans-now-receive-government-benefits/#51c629043e6c

ScenesFromTheApocalypse

Why I have to be Paul's googlebitch, I'm sure I don't know.

George Rebane

scenes 1252pm - Mr scenes, what does "fwiw" preceding the URL that I gave in my 1102am denote?

Gregory

For What It's Worth

Paul Emery

So how abut he bllions spent on corporate welfare, Exxon for example. Is that part of the 50% ? for example

"ExxonMobil’s upgrades to its Baton Rouge refinery in Louisiana are benefitting from $119m of state subsidy, with the support starting in 2011, when the company made a $41bn profit.'

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/may/12/us-taxpayers-subsidising-worlds-biggest-fossil-fuel-companies

Walt

Subsidies again Paul? As they say,, "those who live in glass houses better not throw stones."
You might wind up doing catheter commercials for income to help KVMR.

Gregory

Paul... so why should ExxonM not get the same sorts of write-off's that are common to other businesses? Because they caused the flooding?

That seems to be the rationale in theguardian article. Subsidies to evil petrochemical concerns warming the planet.

Personally, I think slashing the corporate income tax rate would be a better solution. If you don't siphon money off their bottom line they'll not spend so much trying to push Congress to give it back.

Paul Emery

KVMR is a nonprofit Walt. Not the case with Exxon who makes around 50 Billion profit every year. Why should I give them money?

George Rebane

PaulE 232pm - "Why should I give them money?" Because they are among the best makers of cheap gasoline that lets us all move our sorry asses from point A to point B. Governments can't do that for reasons that are obvious to half of us. And they employ thousands of people in good jobs providing them and theirs excellent QoLs and pay taxes on their earnings to governments up and down the line. Getting them back on line sooner than later should be a priority for any community.

Your $50B number is more fake news. Their before tax earnings are $27.6B from which they get to keep $11.7B. Their profit margin is 5.43% from which they pay a dividend yield of 4.05% that is enjoyed by their shareholders (of which I am one) which include more pension funds than you can shake a stick at (including the underfunded government employee and union pensions). And they achieve this while you and yours are doing everything in your power to destroy these assets to society and civilization.

What's your next question?

ScenesFromTheApocalypse

"Mr scenes, what does "fwiw" preceding the URL "

I didn't see that. There's a certain amount of double links here, so perhaps it's excusable.

ScenesFromTheApocalypse

Oh jeez, I posted too quickly. I thought that the double URL was the problem.

Gregory has it right, natürlich.

Paul Emery

Yes

Why should I give money to a successful private business? Should the government give me money for producing concerts or doing live sound? What is the criteria for dipping into the public treasure for a private business?

why should I give money to the La Malfa family? He gets paid a decent wage for being our Representative why should he deserve and receive more?

Walt

What makes KVMR special? I don't care what your tax form says, every business is "for profit". It's what keeps the lights, and heat on, and food on your plate.

I wonder how much you would bitch if your pay was cut in half? (Anything above "X" may be considered profit)

So educate us on just what constitutes "break even". "non profit" means no money at the end of the day.

Gregory

Paul... you missed the question:
"so why should ExxonM not get the same sorts of write-off's that are common to other businesses? Because they caused the flooding?"

George Rebane

Re comments and links: You only see the comments you read. Readers who post comments as if they were the only shining light arriving in the darkness, without checking their forebears on a topic, are likely to post redundant insights and links. All of us like to be acknowledged for adding to the conversation; not many like to be acknowledged for circling the barn.

Walt

By your own reasoning Paul,, Tesla should close it's doors. It has NEVER turned a profit, and survives on taxpayer dollars alone. Just so some rich guy or gal with a self imposed guilt trip can by a 21 Century plow horse. ( can only go so long before needing along rest and digest it's hay)
That Tesla guy sure isn't missing any meals, and living on a shoe string. His big paycheck come out of our pockets, and not the sale of those cars.

Paul Emery

Why should i give money to Tesla Walt?

ScenesFromTheApocalypse

Since Mr. Paul has managed to take over the conversation (as usual), I'd like for him to define what a 'subsidy' is in terms of large corporations.

Any clue sir? Do you have any idea at all what the cash flow that makes up a 'subsidy' might be? It sounds pretty bad so there should be plenty of googling that could be done.

Perhaps a quick rundown on the tax laws concerning resource extraction companies? Outright funds transfers from governments? Write-offs? Some little teensy sliver of knowledge?

It wouldn't matter so much except for God knows what comes out of a radio station mic, public figures should have some clue about the things they pontificate on.

Walt

Yes Paul.. Why ARE you???

Gregory

tap tap tap is this thing on?

Paul... you missed the question:
"so why should ExxonM not get the same sorts of write-off's that are common to other businesses? Because they caused the flooding?"

Gregory

Why should KVMR get a federal subsidy?

George Rebane

PaulE 232pm - Paul, you more often than not fail to acknowledge when your question gets answered, as in my 247pm. You just go on to the next in line of your endless questions. That may be a reason you don't get as many answers as you expect. I'm still waiting.

Walt

This isn't the first time Paul has painted himself into a corner on the subsidized game.
The last time,(just after Trump was elected) ol' Paul said "KVMR would do just fine if the grant money was cut off". Well,,, that's not how KVMR corporate saw it. There was an story in The Union soon after, where KVMR said big cuts and changes would happen if the money was cut off.
So ol' Paul wasn't up to speed with the inner circle. (or just plane blow'n hot air out his,,,uh, skirt.

Gregory

George 359, he's just boxing. There's no thought behind it, no bit of information requested to logically make a point. The punch is the point when Punch-E Paul the Palooka throws a left jab.

Paul Emery

Community radio stations are ot for profit public benefit corporations

Gregory

Ot for profit?

So, all one needs to do to get free Federal money is be an ot for profit?

Todd Juvinall

KVMR needs to back their news guy and stop their subsidies. Why can't they make a go of it without my tax money? Shameful.

Gregory

Is there a book "Ot for Dummies" that shows dummies how to ot for profit?

Paul Emery

thats not for profit.

GREGORY
You have to apply for a grant and have that be part of the budget.

George, you never answered my question as to why my money should go to support a successful international corp, like exxon. Just because they have a desirable and useful product doesn't qualify them to tap into my income.

This grant was not for rebuilding. Here's more details this is just one example

Why should I subsidize the LaMalfa family? Doug has a good job AND MAKES A LIVING WAGE.

More about Exxon International

"ExxonMobil’s Baton Rouge refinery is the second-largest in the US. Since 2011, it has been benefitting from exemptions from industrial taxes, worth $118.9m over 10 years, according to the Good Jobs First database. The Republican governor of Louisiana, Bobby Jindal has expressed his pride in attracting investment from ExxonMobil. In state election campaigns between 2003 and 2013, he received 231 contributions from oil and gas companies and executives totalling $1,019,777, according to a list compiled by environmental groups."

Todd Juvinall

Paul Emry, our own subsidized by the taxpayer radio guy. What a hoot!

Don Bessee

Yes Gregory, its part of the talking points for party parrots bulletin that is all about ot for dummies. That's why there is nothing but repeated hackneyed Pelosi speak from the po' ol' pollhead. Then they throw questions while retreating and evading. Kind of like snapping a branch on the left path and going right. RIGHT.

Another good example of this is the dem snowflake candidate for gov in Maine named Mark Eves who was caught on film at a resistance forum saying; "Maines whiteness is bad news" and "You know, today I saw a thing that said a lot of men -white men- are committing suicide." "And I almost said yeah! Great!"

That's the intellectual pool the lefties like Eves, the dark lord of liberal lament land and the po' ol' fakenewsman swim in. ;-)

Gregory

wow, Paul. they've been benefitting from exemption from "industrial taxes". To the tune of $11.9million a year, averaged over ten years?

That's a really big number, isn't it?

When George wrote "Their before tax earnings are $27.6B from which they get to keep $11.7B" that those annual numbers were rounded to the nearest 100 million dollars... so that less than 12 million a year you're bitching about is about a tenth of the roundoff error of the taxes they've paid and the profits distributed?

I guess there's a reason you gravitated towards work that didn't require much math.

Don Bessee

For the record Eves is white. ;-)

Walt

It's OK for the guy he works for to get FED money, but no one else. Got it.

Hay Paul. Read up from Berkeley U of the net.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subsidy

Paul Emery

Todd

Rex Tillerson made 26 million in 2016. Why should You or I contribute one penny to the company that pays his salary?

Paul Emery

link

http://heavy.com/news/2016/12/rex-tillerson-net-worth-salary-bio-exxon-mobil-2016-donald-trump-cabinet-russia-secretary-of-state-wife/

Gregory

"Why should I subsidize the LaMalfa family? Doug has a good job AND MAKES A LIVING WAGE." -Punchie 437

Paul, you realize you can't win this argument, right?

The rice growing subsidy isn't means tested. The Federal "New Deal" waded in and reformed agricultural markets to a more collective model. That "Ot for profit" money for nothing and chicks for free that works so well... I realize you see LaMalfa as an enemy of the people but his family have been playing "rice farmer" for years by Democratic Party rules.

I'd say the country is swimming in cheap rice but the rice isn't all that cheap. But we are swimming in it, along with corn and wheat. Cheap carbs.

Yes, I think FDR's New Dealish Market Orders were a very bad idea, but your people would scream bloody murder if Trump and the GOP Congress got rid of them.

Walt

Someone know if KNCO gets radio welfare like KVMR? Or does KVMR get that money so KNCO isn't the only game in towns?

Gregory

"Rex Tillerson made 26 million in 2016. Why should You or I contribute one penny to the company that pays his salary?"
PE 512

Paul, did you even make enough to pay Federal Income Tax last year? Maybe you didn't contribute even one penny to the company that paid his salary!

Paul Emery

Paid taxes last year Gregory. Contributed considerably as a matter of fact.

Glad you agree with me Walt that La Malfa's taxpayer subsidy should be eliminated. Here's some thoughts onthe matted published by the Conserative Heritage Foundation:

Many of the largest, most profitable farms and agribusinesses that have received the lion's share of subsidies have used these funds to buy out smaller farms. In what one agriculture official calls the "plantation effect," family farms with less than 100 acres of land are being bought out by larger agribusinesses, which then convert them into tenant farms. To date, three-quarters of the nation's rice farms have already become tenant farms, and the ownership of other types of farms is beginning to trend in that same direction.9

Paul Emery

LInk to the Heritage. Wort a read

George Rebane

Dear Reader - note the above comments and responses of Mr Paul Emery. Every one of his contributions implies that Exxon/Mobil is getting monies that it does not deserve or earn, and for which it does not amply recompense our society. His point being that if 'the people' owned the company and operated it as a non-profit, then it would provide society with a greater benefit in terms of product and distributed earnings. Such beliefs are fundamental to socialists cum communists, and for RR's arguments for the coming Great Divide. These collectivists need to operate their own country, and not mess with ours.

Don Bessee

Wort a read, is that a self critique ya po' ol' socialist fakenewsman? ;-)

Paul Emery

George

By what conceivable justification do you support government subsidies to a company whose CEO makes 24 million a year and oppose subsidies to a tiny volunteer driven community radio station with a tiny very meagerly paid staff? I don't have a problem with Exxon being a successful company but why do I need to contribute from my small income to their profits? Why can't they succeed without taxpayer subsidy? You are asking us taxpayers to pay for their private "collective" that has all the money it needs to influence legislation to their favor. A Corporcracy is what it is referred to as. If there is a step towards your dreaded Collective State it is from forcing citizens to contribute to already profitable corporations with CEO's that have bloated salaries and huge political influence.

Corpocracy is a term used as an economic and political form of Oligarchy that is controlled by corporations, corporate interests, or the wealthy owners of corporations.

Walt

Nope,, don't agree Paul. Don't try putting words in my mouth. Your the one who won't put forth anything. This must be one of your "woke" moments. (Coined by your Aunty "mad" Maxine)
You have no defense. You can't bitch about someone else getting a subsidy when your own butt is tied to one. "Pot me kettle",,, dude.

Todd Juvinall

Paul Emery are you saying that you think the taxpayers are subsidizing Exxon? My goodness, they paid what, 100 billion in taxes themselves. And they employ hundreds of thousands of people who also pay taxes. And they create wealth through mining something of value the people want ad need. Tell us how much their NET subsidy you claim they get is located so we can all go see it.

Reading food and farmer subsidies. This wrongly or rightly was implemented by your party many years ago to syop the volitile ups and downs of farming an costs to the farmers. You can bitch about it all you want but it exists and it matters not if I or anyone on this thread likes it or not. I do however think you are a total hypocrite even for asking anyone to denounce LaMalfa for what appears to be the same thing you do.

As Gregory said, you cannot win this point.

Walt

One thing is for sure, Paul hates the fact that the Trump plan is working. More people are working, jobs are coming home, those that have no business being here are going back to where they came from. Freedoms are being restored, reduction in government, more accesses to public lands, and laws are getting repealed. Not quite the "Hitler" Progressives and Paul try to make Trump out to be.

All this good news is bad news for the Left. Just what are they going to promise to buy votes? Some "new" raw deal? What double the welfare payouts?

Todd Juvinall

Paul Emery has turned into a cartoon. RL draw hin!

George Rebane

PaulE 640pm - Where do you get my opposing subsidies for KVMR? And the only subsidies per se that I support for XOM are those that are legal and return to the country more than they cost. Is your point that whatever such legal benefits XOM and other businesses get, that they are a net loss to the country?

I'm on record here being against corporate welfare. But if as a result of the recent catastrophe the country can get more back quicker by supporting businesses to get back on line providing employment, providing product, and paying taxes, then I would not automatically rule it out because I'm envious of the salaries executives of private companies earn.

Let's see how many of my questions you answer.

Bun Bun

1. America is capitalist and greedy — yet half of the population is subsidized ---- because greedy capitalists don't pay living wages --- idiot
2. Half of the population is subsidized — yet they think they are victims---see above idiot
3. They think they are victims — yet their representatives run the government----because representatives running the government are working for the greedy capitalists ---- idiot
4. Their representatives run the government — yet the poor keep getting poorer ----see above --- idiot
5. The poor keep getting poorer — yet they have things that people in other countries only dream about ---see No. 1 --- idiot
6. They have things that people in other countries only dream about — yet they want America to be more like those other countries --- just very vague ---idiot

fish

Posted by: Bun Bun | 02 September 2017 at 09:12 PM

Wow.....Keachies testicles just dropped! And just a few months short of his seventy fifth birthday!

Walt

Good ol' Keaster. the guy who feels laws don't apply to him. Too oppressive? They didn't mention your name specifically on the sign? His tractor was exempt from CARB.(that was a good one) And can't comprehend the Contractor's licence laws.
Other than that, I hear he might be a stand up guy. (heard 4th hand )

George Rebane

And then there are the millions of idiots who are prepared to risk life and limb to get here for some inexplicable reason.

Paul Emery

George

You fail to answer why Exxon needs subsidies at all. When you're paying your Chief 24 million a year you must have enough cash around so you shouldn't have to ask the American Taxpayers for a loan.

The Exxon subsidies have nothing to do with "the recent catastrophe" George. Not sure why you went there.

Bun Bun

Remember the 50% subsidized include those on Social Security, military retirees, Government, School and Law enforcement retirees also those on Medicare and Disability

Todd

Exxon 100 Billion in Taxes? Where did you get that number? Forbes says they pay 27.3 Billion. Quite a difference.

Todd Juvinall

Exxon does not get a subsidy. They get tax credits and exploration credits. Maybe a oil depletion allowances. Show me the links for their subsidy you say they get. Also, the link to the amount of taxes they pay and their employees pay. My guess is they are subsidizing KVMR!

Otherwise you are peddling fake news as usual.

Todd Juvinall

FFor fun I googled and came up with this from a publication that apparently hates oil and gas. Now if they are correct and Rex Tillerson is not, the net gain to the treasury paid in taxes by Exxon is 26 billion a year. And they supply a commodity all people use. So it appears to me they are a huge giver and KVMR is a huge taker of taxes.

"Today Rex Tillerson, under oath, denied the existence of fossil fuel subsidies. This is dangerously incorrect. In fact, the Oil & Gas Industry receives more than $17 Billion in Subsidies per year, and according to our new analysis ExxonMobil likely gets as much as $1 billion of that."

http://priceofoil.org/2017/01/11/rex-tillerson-denies-oil-gas-subsidies-exist-while-company-profits-from-them/

Paul Emery

Sorry Todd meant to include the link from Forbes. Where did you get your number from (100 billion) ?

https://www.forbes.com/pictures/mef45fkfh/1-exxonmobil/#14175aa92b51

Gregory

Perhaps Antifa, BLM and Black Bloc should also be subsidized?

George, I understand you're a KVMR contributor... would you ramp that up were the Feds to stop writing checks that found their way to that station? I don't... not a regular listener. Not interested in "Democracy Now! with Amy Goodman" for five hours a week, either. How much does that cost the station, Paul?

So Paul, let me repeat the question from up top that you kept ignoring... "so why should ExxonM not get the same sorts of write-off's that are common to other businesses? Because they caused the flooding?"... what of normal tax laws on deductions, investment tax credits, depreciation etc should be forbidden to successful companies that make a few cents on every dollar of sales, like Exxon.

Or maybe they need someone like Paul Emery to look at each company individually and decide which is worthy and which isn't? From each according to ability, to each according to need has already been tried elsewhere and failed.

Gregory

Maybe Antifa already get government support?

Public school teachers are behind a leading far-left militant group that is part of the Antifa network that federal officials say is committing “domestic terrorist violence.”

By Any Means Necessary, which has played a key role in riots in Berkeley, Sacramento and elsewhere, has dozens of public school teachers among its members, including among its most prominent leaders.
http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/01/public-school-teachers-behind-violent-antifa-group/

Barry Pruett

Paul. Someone asked a question earlier to which an answer would greatly advance this conversation. Can you please provide the definition that you are using for "subsidy?" What does a subsidy include? Thanks.

Norm Sauer

SOCIALISM IS THE OPIATE OF THE MASSES.
A GOOD READ FOR ALL AND ESPECIALLY DOUBTERS: https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2017/09/01/socialism-opiate-of-the-masses/

Gregory

(typing like Ben Stein...)
Emery?
Emery?
Emery?
Emery?
...

I know you read the questions you've been asked, Paul. Why ignore them... unless you don't see a way to punch your way out?

Walt

Paul? Answer questions????? LOL!! HA HA!! NO WAY IN HELL!!
Just TROLLs with question marks... When the heat gets to high,, skips off to some other thread, and starts a'new.

Gregory

Barry, from the link Paul cited, there is this explanation:


The industry’s long-time argument is that liability loopholes and sweetheart tax breaks like the Intangible Drilling Costs are not a form of special treatment for the oil and gas industry. In reality, the IDC is specifically designed to make drilling, survey work, clearing ground, workers’ wages, drilling supplies — basically anything you need to produce oil and gas (aka ExxonMobil’s products) — less expensive for oil and gas companies.

In other words, in the parlance of the left, oil company subsidies include the deducting the cost of producing the oil for sale in the first place. Imagine if that was extended to music impresarios... they'd be allowed to deduct the cost of renting the venue and the money they pay out to performers from the pure profit of ticket sales.

Paul Emery

Big question Barry. Subsidies for companies that have all the money they need for expansion should be eliminated. Subsidies to rich farmers who use the profits to buy out small family farms should be eliminated. That's a start. Subsidies such as the Exxon one I cited as an anecdotal example are the work product of our pay to play two party corrupt system of purchasing favors from our elected officials by making timely contributions to election campaigns. Now Trump wants to further lower income taxes for corporations at the expense of essential services such as universal health care so that the Tillerson's who make millions in salary can even receive more money. Here's details of the reimbursements by Exxon to Gov Jindal and others,

"ExxonMobil’s Baton Rouge refinery is the second-largest in the US. Since 2011, it has been benefitting from exemptions from industrial taxes, worth $118.9m over 10 years, according to the Good Jobs First database. The Republican governor of Louisiana, Bobby Jindal has expressed his pride in attracting investment from ExxonMobil. In state election campaigns between 2003 and 2013, he received 231 contributions from oil and gas companies and executives totalling $1,019,777, according to a list compiled by environmental groups."

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/may/12/us-taxpayers-subsidising-worlds-biggest-fossil-fuel-companies

George Rebane

When I deleted Gregory's doubly entered 1042am, both comments disappeared. Fortunately, I was able get a copy first. Here is Gregory's 1042am -

Barry, from the link Paul cited, there is this explanation:

The industry’s long-time argument is that liability loopholes and sweetheart tax breaks like the Intangible Drilling Costs are not a form of special treatment for the oil and gas industry. In reality, the IDC is specifically designed to make drilling, survey work, clearing ground, workers’ wages, drilling supplies — basically anything you need to produce oil and gas (aka ExxonMobil’s products) — less expensive for oil and gas companies.
In other words, in the parlance of the left, oil company subsidies include the deducting the cost of producing the oil for sale in the first place. Imagine if that was extended to music impresarios... they'd be allowed to deduct the cost of renting the venue and the money they pay out to performers from the pure profit of ticket sales.

George Rebane

re PaulE's 1114am - It appears that BarryP's (648am) 'big question' of what is a subsidy has been successfully side-stepped. Apparently a 'subsidy' is like 'pornography', it cannot be defined, only recognized.

Walt

Funny,, Paul hasn't griped about the "subsidy" that SBC gets. I wonder why?
Paul just complains about a Repub rice farmer and oil.(those that actually produce things)
How Paul would bitch about the HIGH cost if those monies were gone.
Paul has no clue about the cost of doing business.

Paul Emery

Well, the difference between Porn and Art is lighting so it's how you see things. Until we remove the influence of special interests on the judgements of our elected officials nothing will make a difference. The "jindal effect" (see 11:14} will be repeated over and over. Not side stepping Barry but first things first or it won't make any difference. Now Trumps wants to further extend the favors by giving tax cuts to the Corps so they can increase bloated salaries and profits to the 1% at the expense of working class Americans and those who need essential services such as health care.

fish

Until we remove the influence of special interests on the judgements of our elected officials nothing will make a difference.


Why is there a need for politics if there are no "special interests"?

Walt

Paul. Start living the way you preach. (your tune would change in a hurry)
Bitch about what others get, yet make excuses for what directly affects you.

Walt

Good job Paul,, you just gave yourself enough rope to hang yourself.
"Until we remove the influence of special interests on the judgements of our elected officials"
You mean like the AGW horse crap?, Wind and solar scam job?,
Then of course the race baiters and poverty pimps. OH how that list could go on.
Now don't forget the likes of Berkeley and all the money they get to screw up the minds of the next world leaders.(GOD help us all)

Todd Juvinall

Those special interests of FM stations and their welfare from us must end. I am tired of subsidizing left-wingers and bad jazz. Spo Paul Emery, write a letter to your BOD and ask them to stop their "non-profit" status and their membership in the conglomerate organization of FM grants funded radio. Thanks, I'll give you a brownie point.

EXXON donates billions to the charities of its choice so maybe you may be wishing against your own self i interest.

Todd Juvinall

Just a few tidbits from the evil oil company
https://doublethedonation.com/matching-grant-resources/list-matching-gifts-companies/

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/business/sam-dorman/2016/06/02/top-firms-donated-48-billion-2015-walmart-exxonmobil-among

https://www.linkwaylive.com/business/8-28-2017/thing/google-exxon-caterpillar-corporate-america-donates-millions-to-harvey-relief

Paul Emery

KVMR is listener supported Radio and 90% of our income is from memberships and fund raising 10$ is from a combination of grants from private and government sources. If you'd like to have more information contact station management. This is all I will have to say on the topic of KVMR.

Paul Emery

Typo-

10% from....

Paul Emery

Todd

Link to your reference on that EXXON pays 100 Million in taxes. I provided mine. Did you make that number up?

Todd Juvinall

Give up your subsidies Paul Emery!

Todd Juvinall

KVMR Financials Income 2016
link, http://www.kvmr.org/sites/default/files/2016%20KVMR%20FS.pdf
About 175,000 in tax money

Page 5 as follows,
ue and support:
Contributions
-
$
378,117
$
378,117
$
In-kind support
237,444
-
237,444
Government grants
135,524
38,908
174,432
Underwriting
335,427
-
335,427
Rent
6,306
-
6,306
Membership
335,623
-
335,623
Interest income
2,065
-
2,065
Other revenue
32,142
-
32,142
Net assets released from restriction
674,729
(674,729)
-
Revenue and support
1,759,260
(257,704)
1,5

George Rebane

PaulE 1150am - "Until we remove special interests ..." What you and yours always fail note in such criticisms is that the ONLY thing that gives rise to the influence of 'special interests' is the expanse of government in its ability to bestow monies and the power of the gun to aid those interests its politicians-in-residence favor. Special interests pay off politicians who then leverage those payments into substantial subsidies(q.v.) and regulatory benefits that directly translate into dollars.

If we limit the power of government (to, say, its constitutional bounds), then we automatically limit the influence of special interests. Both bees and bears are drawn to honey - a concept totally inaccessible to progressive brains.

Walt

Since Paul dodged it the first time,, you told me before Paul that KVMR would do fine if gov. money dried up. That's not what is said here.
http://www.theunion.com/news/business/trumps-budget-proposal-would-cut-18-percent-of-kvmrs-annual-budget/
In simple terms,,, "OUCH"!

Gregory

Members paying 90% of KVMR's expenses has a nice ring to it, Paul, but it is closer to 82%, isn't it?

You can make it up. Give back the subsidy, even if it means "Democracy Now!" fans will turn to listening to it online. Maybe have staff take a pay cut, or charge your hobbyist program hosts for the privilege of airtime.

Gregory

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Paul Emery

So George we are in agreement that farm subsidies such as the one tyat currently graces the La Malfa family should end.

Gregory, perhaps you didn't know that KVMR is the EAS radio station for our region. That is because we have broadcasters live 24-7 Much of what we do is public service such as our excellent coverage of the Pleasant Fire this week. We took dozens of phone calls from evacuated residents to the Sheriff and provided up to the minute coverage when things were tense working in co-ordination with Yuba Net. We are a non profit public resource. Every town should have one. Nevada County is very fortunate to have a daily newspaper, commercial AM and FM radio station, KVMR Community Radio and Yubanet keeping us informed as to the news in our region.

Walt

Sorry Paul KVMR isn't the only game in town(s). KNCO has always done a fine job getting emergency info out. I tune in KNCO over KVMR any day of the week. I can't seem to find where KNCO gets grant money, yet they seem to do just fine.

Gregory

Paul, perhaps you didn't know you had completely ignored my main question, so I'll repeat it... how much does KVMR pay to carry Democracy Now! live, five prime time hours a week.

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Gregory

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C'mon, Paul, how much does KVMR shovel to Amy Goodman for Democracy Now! ?

Paul Emery

Gregory

Democracy is one of many programming options we have as an independent community radio station. They are mostly self funded and do their own fundraising. Popular with our listeners and that is reflected in or membership drives.

Gregory

That dodges the question, doesn't it? "Mostly self funded"?

Is the information proprietary to the station or do you just not want to spill those beans?

Paul Emery

Actually don't have those numbers If you're really curious you can contact the station manager Why is it so important to you ? It's a piddly amount whatever it is Nothing like a subsidized $24 million salary

Barry Pruett

Ok. Correct me if I am wrong Paul but I am inferring that subsidies can be direct subsidies (payment of money as in LaMalfas rice farm) or tax breaks (as in Exxon). Yes I agree that direct subsidies need to stop. That said I am not necessarily against tax breaks. Now for my next question? Who pays Exxon's taxes? Is it Exxon or the consumer?

Todd Juvinall

I think the farmer subsidies are the ones that need to be in place. The poor get a cheaper tomato and other food this way. But I could be wrong.

fish

Posted by: Paul Emery | 03 September 2017 at 11:09 PM

It's a piddly amount whatever it is Nothing like a subsidized $24 million salary


The eternal whine of the relativist......."I only killed one guy......not fifty like that guy over there".


Exxon can pay Tillerson whatever they want! It's none of your business unless your a shareholder Punch. If you want to shut down subsidies I suggest you start calling democratic lawmakers as the ball will likely be in their court in a few years.

Let me know how receptive they are to your pleading!

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