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17 October 2017

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Bill Tozer

Debbie wants her laptop back real bad, Susan Rice is branded a liar everywhere she goes, Huma had 1,400 State Department e-mails and stuff on Carlos Danger’s laptop, Comey colluded to make sure Hillary waked, Obama really was bugging Trump Towers by corrupting out Intel apparatus, and now that wack job wingnut Congresswoman with her ever present dime store plastic cowboy hat is replacing Aunt Maxiepad as the face and voice of the Democrat Party. Man, she looks like an over the hill street hooker. Will wonders never cease.

Bill the Tozer

"Just think, in the last few weeks the Left has ruined the NFL, late night TV, and the Boy Scouts. In the last few years they've severely damaged campus free speech and academic freedom, the private health care market, military readiness, and local law enforcement. Their judges have seized control over immigration, aspects of national security, and marriage. Meanwhile, the Left is increasingly violent (Antifa, Black Lives Matter, etc.) and the media are increasingly brazen in their leftist propagandizing and cheerleading. It seems to me the rest of us should be taking a knee to protest this insanity."

Gregory

This covers the Russian uranium story well

http://nypost.com/2017/10/17/team-obamas-stunning-coverup-of-russian-crimes/

BunBun

All is suspiciously quiet on the western front as ryghties hunker down to cover their assets from Niger-Ghasi fallout. Where was the support from Trump? Coverup?

Bill Tozer

More from the New York Post. Corruption in the Tower of Power.

http://nypost.com/2017/10/17/fbi-uncovered-russian-bribery-plot-before-controversial-nuclear-deal/

Don’t hold your breath waiting for the Clinton Foundation to return the 142 million the Russians funneled to the Foundation after the TWO deals went down.

“The feds also learned that Russian nuclear officials had gotten millions of dollars into the US designed to benefit the Clinton Foundation at the same time then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton served on a government committee that signed off on the deals, sources told The Hill.

When Donald Trump slammed Clinton on the campaign trail in 2016 over the sale, her spokesman said she was not involved in the committee review and that the State Department official who handled it said she “never intervened . . . on any [committee] matter.”

Hmm. Served on the committee that approved the deal while Sec of State. Says it wasn’t me, it was the committee that I served on and had no involvement with that is responsible for What Happened. Priceless. Classic Clinton.....and Obama.


BunBun

Go to gold! Go to gold! Donnie, Donnie,,,get ready to pull the plug,,,!!!

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-mnuchin-taxes-stock-market-20171018-htmlstory.html

MAGAMAGAMAGA

Tomorrow is fish day...

fish

Posted by: BunBun | 19 October 2017 at 07:42 AM


Everyday is fish day KeachKeach….for I stride the earth like a giant winged lizard!

fish

Giant winged lizard or not I seem to have a remarkable amount of difficulty with simple HTML code!

Todd Juvinall

I see Bunnyboy did not read the full quote and is now a purveyor of "fake news". Good job destroying the liberals creds there BunnyBoy. Thanks.

Bill Tozer

Freaky Frederica. Let’s look at Big Red Fred Riding Hood’s record, shall we. Actions speak louder than words. With friends like that, who needs enemas?

“It turns out that U.S. Rep. Frederica Wilson has frequently voted against measures intended to help veterans and their families, according to VoteSmart.org, a vote-tracking site whose founding board members included former presidents Jimmy Carter and Gerald Ford.

The measures that Wilson opposed included a bill that could have ensured that families of four soldiers slain in Afghanistan in 2013 received death and burial benefits.

Despite Wilson's claim to be “committed to honoring our service members, not only with words but with deeds,” she has voted against most bills ensuring continued funding for veteran benefits, including payments to widows of fallen soldiers, the vote-tracking site shows.

She has also opposed measures designed to improve the Department of Veterans Affairs.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/19/florida-democrat-wilson-no-friend-veterans-vote-record-shows.html

Todd Juvinall

Liberals just are a bit too late on this one.
One can always depend on a liberal to try and change the meaning of a word or activity to suit their bias. The horse is out of the barn and America has decided these players are disrespecting the flag and the anthem and the country. You can flap you gums all you want but the facts are against your position. Larive was spot on. The players don't even know what they are protesting as we have seen that evolve as the pressure on them has increased. And there is no "free speech" rights as a employee in America. The First Amendment is there to keep the government from abridging that right. Not a private employer. Liberals are reacting emotionally not factually. The facts are against the allegations of cops hunting blacks and killing them in disproportionate numbers. The FBI statistics prove otherwise. And by a huge margin. As far as racial issues in society? Look at the statistics and then answer the question. Why are 40-50 percent of all inmates in America from the African-American race? They are only 13% of the population. Could it be they are committing the crimes and are being arrested for them? And then prosecuted? And most of the crime is against other African-Americans. Of course just for writing that I will be attacked but I don't care. The facts back me up. So instead of kneeling against the greatest, freest country on the planet, these players should fan out into the inner cities and help their fellow people. But that is not what liberals do. They just complain and divide us.

Walt

Where is Paul?!
http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/19/sanders-sure-youll-pay-more-in-taxes-but-youll-get-free-stuff-video/
Funny,,, the "Burn",, doesn't tell you just how much "more" you will be forced to fork over, for all that "free" stuff.
50% of your income? 60%?
Watch how fast people demand to get paid under the table.

George Rebane

For something lighter, check out this new squeaky clean comedy sensation described here -
https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-comedy-show-thrives-by-avoiding-vulgaritiessuch-as-the-word-gosh-1508342560

shown here -
https://www.youtube.com/user/BYUTelevision

larry wirth

'Scuse me, Paul, but weren't Julius and Ethel Rosenburg executed for treason? Something about transmitting atomic secrets to the Soviets during peacetime?

L

larry wirth

Or were they, maybe innocent and just electrocuted for fun?

Todd Juvinall

Bill O'Reilly's take on the kerfuffle with that loony democrat Congressman.

"The sad and strange story of Army Sgt. LaDavid Johnson is in the No Spin spotlight today.

On October 4, the Sergeant and three other American military people were killed in Niger, Africa fighting ISIS terrorists. US forces are deployed around the world to help countries defeat the ISIS savages.

Yesterday, President Trump called the Sergeant's widow in South Florida to offer condolences. Unbeknownst to the President, Congresswoman Fredericka Wilson, a big Trump critic, was listening in on the call.

No surprise, the democratic politician almost immediately called CNN to castigate the President for being insensitive to the grieving family.

Mr. Trump tweeted that Ms. Wilson fabricated the contents of the call, and since the White House may have taped the phone correspondence, the situation could be clarified in short order.

But no clarity is needed for the hate-Trump media which immediately reported the Congresswoman's allegations as truth, obviously trying to besmirch the President.

I don't know what was said and neither does any other member of the press. But this whole thing has the look of a setup, does it not?

We'll have more on the story tonight on the No Spin News, where you can count on getting the honest story!"

Gregory

The Rosenburgs were convicted of Espionage, not Treason.

Paul Emery

You beat me to it Gregory

Paul Emery

Larry

Here's a list of all the Treason convictions in our history

Philip Vigol and John Mitchell, convicted of treason and sentenced to hanging; pardoned by George Washington; see Whiskey Rebellion.
John Fries, the leader of Fries' Rebellion, convicted of treason in 1800 along with two accomplices, and pardoned that same year by John Adams.
Governor Thomas Dorr 1844, convicted of treason against the state of Rhode Island; see Dorr Rebellion; released in 1845; civil rights restored in 1851; verdict annulled in 1854.
John Brown, convicted of treason against the Commonwealth of Virginia in 1859 and executed for attempting to organize armed resistance to slavery.
Aaron Dwight Stevens, took part in John Brown's raid and was executed in 1860 for treason against Virginia.
William Bruce Mumford, convicted of treason and hanged in 1862 for tearing down a United States flag during the American Civil War.
Walter Allen was convicted of treason on September 16, 1922 for taking part in the 1921 Miner's March with the coal companies and the US Army on Blair Mountain, West Virginia. He was sentenced to 10 years and fined. During his appeal to the Supreme Court he disappeared while out on bail. United Mineworkers of America leader William Blizzard was acquitted of the charge of treason by the jury on May 25, 1922.[11]
Martin James Monti, United States Army Air Forces pilot, convicted of treason for defecting to the Waffen SS in 1944. He was paroled in 1960.
Robert Henry Best, convicted of treason on April 16, 1948 and served a life sentence.
Iva Toguri D'Aquino, who is frequently identified by the name "Tokyo Rose," convicted 1949. Subsequently, pardoned by President Gerald Ford.
Mildred Gillars, also known as "Axis Sally", convicted of treason on March 8, 1949; served 12 years of a 10- to 30-year prison sentence.
Tomoya Kawakita, sentenced to death for treason in 1952, but eventually released by President John F. Kennedy to be deported to Japan.

Todd Juvinall

Would it not then say that Hillary used espionage to give the Uranium to the Rooskies? If not what would that be called? Or Bill Clinton giving the rocket schematics to the Chicoms?

Todd Juvinall

Seems to me that common sense says that "espionage" leads to a traitor. If you are spying and supplying stuff for the enemy that would be a traitorous act, correct?

Gregory

Todd and Paul, can't you two get a room somewhere? Seek some privacy?

Todd, there is often nothing more nonsensical than "common sense".

Bill Tozer

“William Bruce Mumford, convicted of treason and hanged in 1862 for tearing down a United States flag during the American Civil War”

Very interesting. More stuff for my Encyclopedia of Worthless Information. Better than talking about the Obama-Hillary collusion with the dastardly Rooskies for personal enrichment. That $500,000 speaking fee Bubba gave to the Muscovites while Hillary was Sec of State went right into their joint checking account. And yes, it’s all a conspiracy theory by the Great Right Wing Conspiracists that O has passing cards under the table, scheming about selling our strategist metals...to the Russians Are Coming. “Surprise, Surprise, Surprise!”, as Gomer Pyle, USMC, would say.

To be fair, many Presidents desired between relationships with the treaded Russians. Reagen with the Soviets and Mr. Gorbachev, W with his see into his heart, Obama with his Russian reset button that HRC made look like a B Movie prop for a skit. Hmmm. No one raised a cacophony of wails and screams of bloody murder until Trump said it would be nice to have better relations with The Russians.

Let the “must not go there” continue. I would hang HRC and Obama, but then some mini-minded Social Justice Warrior Snowflake would say it was not hanging, but a White Supremacist was lynching a Blackman....again! Racist murderer hell bent on genocide of all POC and all that stuff.
Nah, I would fry them on the electric chair. Hey not. They said Global Warming was going to fry us like a twinkle at the Iowa State Fair, do frying the pair would be a matter of moving up the calendar. Just imagine Hillary’s melon bouncing up and down like a bobble head on the front dash. And both O and My Gal’s eyes would be really bugging out. And the smoke rising from her ears. Oh, one can only dream of such matters.
That reminds me. Just got a new idea for my politically incorrect Halloween costume.

Bill Tozer

As Walt said last night....”The plot thickens.”
Popinjays say “Must not look that way, must not go there.”

Toensing said her client was asked by the FBI to sign a non-disclosure agreement (NDA) to prevent him from talking to Congress, and has memos showing how the Obama Justice Department threatened him when he attempted to file a lawsuit to recover monies Russians stole from him and which could have drawn attention to the Russian corruption during the 2016 election.

The department threatened to bring a criminal case against him for violating the NDA, she said. The Hill also said it obtained emails from a civil attorney working with the witness that described the pressure the department was exerting on him to stay quiet.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/10/18/attorney-fbi-informant-was-blocked-by-obama-administration-from-testifying-on-uranium-one-deal/

George Rebane

Treason: the de facto definition of treason, according to many dictionaries, is “the crime of betraying one’s country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government.” The de juris definitions of treason vary according to the predilection of lawyers in various jurisdictions (e.g. countries). It seems to me that espionage is a capital crime only because of its treasonous nature – its successful fruits contribute to and/or may cause the defeat or overthrow of a government. Therefore discriminating between treason and espionage seems more of a semantics exercise important only in legal circles.

That the Rosenbergs were executed for espionage tells me only that it was a charge of convenience, worked out by government lawyers given the inconvenient de juris definition of treason, for killing them as the hyped up mood of the then American public demanded. The puzzling part remains that espionage before then was only a capital crime during a declared war, which was not in progress during their dastardly deeds. And even if they did some of their spying during WW2, they only transmitted their purloined info to the USSR, our putative ally. As a counter example, Pollack’s fate was mitigated by his spying for Israel, our bosom buddy, ward, and longtime ally.

Don Bessee

Unemployment claims were the lowest since 1973 and the DOW closed at 23,163! Lefty party parrot narratives fail again. ;-)

Paul Emery

No time to dig into it today but here's an interesting sidelight.


This is from the play Marat Sade where Peter Weiss writes De Sade stating the futility of any attempts of establishing human order:

"Every death even the cruellest death
drowns in the total indifference of Nature
Nature herself would watch unmoved
if we destroyed the entire human race
I hate Nature
this passionless spectator this unbreakable iceberg-face
that can bear everything
this goads us to greater and greater acts"

Of course this is fiction since it's in a play


Peter De Groot says pretty much the same thing when writes:

To understand America’s darkening, we must recognize that civilization does not exclude the state of nature, for the state of nature is man himself, his historical inheritance, the unchosen animal endowment he must strive to tame, to constrain, to control.

Wonder if he ever saw the play

George Rebane

Let me throw in my two cents on the De Groot essay; it is definitely worth a read. Here is the link someone provided before -
http://takimag.com/article/strife_and_wrangling_in_las_vegas_christopher_degroot/print#axzz4vJ6KiwnV

Paul Emery

Now Trump is relying on a golden oldie the Russia Hillary nuke story first covered by the New York Times in 2015. Ho Hum

Is is really big news Hilly and the Clinton foundation were scamming the system? Wow what a shocker!!!

One of several reasons I did not and could never support Hillary.

Paul Emery

Credit where Credit is due, The DeGroot link came from Scott a few days ago. This was a link worth reading. Doesn't necessarily mean I believe everything he says but his point of view is very interesting


From Scott:

May as well post this here. Best essay I have read in years that neatly explains most all of what is going on with American culture. And a lot of the rest of the world as well. Not pretty, but does explain a lot.
http://takimag.com/article/strife_and_wrangling_in_las_vegas_christopher_degroot/print#axzz4vJ6KiwnV

Posted by: Scott Obermuller | 13 October 2017 at 07:26 PM

Don Bessee

Funny you mention that po' ol' fakenewsman, I was just reading the union and their editorial cartoon was on that very topic. You can wish it away but now that the Sen judiciary cmt. has asked DOJ to lift the gag order on the FBI informant we will get the truth that 0's AG's & FBI actively suppressed. Victoria Tensing was very clear about her client being threatened by 0's AG with jail if he talked to anyone. ;-)

fish

Posted by: Paul Emery | 19 October 2017 at 03:30 PM

One of several reasons I did not and could never support Hillary.


You are uniquely disingenuous C-Nile!

Walt

What? Someone might get to spill the apple cart on Clinton?
I guess we will be hearing about the next case of Arkencide (convenient accident?) to happen out of nowhere.
Someone better not take an evening walk in the park.

Paul Emery

Goodness Fish I'm agreeing with you about HILLARY????

Todd Juvinall

Fish don't you understand that when someone supports a persons policies they are totally against that person? SheesH!

Walt

There is hope for Bunhole yet.
http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Appeals-court-in-SF-allows-challenge-to-state-law-12292093.php
"Advocates of legalized prostitution took their challenge to California’s 145-year-old ban on commercial sex before a federal appeals court Thursday and appeared to get a hint that they’ll have another chance to show why the law should be cast aside.
The case was brought by three former prostitutes, a would-be client and the Erotic Service Providers Legal, Educational and Research Project. They contend the law violates the right to engage in consensual sex, as defined by the U.S. Supreme Court in a 2003 ruling overturning criminal laws against gay sexual activity."

Soon hookers may prowl the streets of Nevada City once again.
But mining will still be a capital offence.

Walt

The cost is WAY over budget. Like that is anything new.
http://www.kcra.com/article/oroville-dam-repair-costs-will-top-dollar500m-nearly-double-initial-estimate/13055289

I have heard what some of those guys make. So now wonder the price
of the rebuild is crazy. You can thank prevailing wage rules, and more than greedy unions.

Paul Emery

Good news for those who believe in local control. Jerry Brown vetoed a bill that would take away local control of decisions to install small cell towers.

Governor Jerry Brown of California waited until the eleventh hour to announce that he would not sign legislation giving his state more authority over how local governments deal with applications for small cells. Brown said he believes local governments need a “more balanced solution” that will allow them to retain more authority over their rights of way.

https://www.rcrwireless.com/20171016/network-infrastructure/california-governor-jerry-brown-vetoes-small-cell-bill-tag4

Walt

Now that this news is out, count on someone bitching.
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/36619419/samoan-firefighters-sing-moving-hymn-in-midst-of-california-wildfires

That Christian singing might offend someone.

Don Bessee

Interesting that the po' ol' fakenewsman is not in favor of better internet access @ 701. What size tinfoil hat do you wear? ;-)

Paul Emery

You don't know what you're taking about Don. It's about local control. Isn't that something a conservative like you believes in?

Walt

Sure Paul,, just until that local control doesn't go in your favor.
If the "local control" nixed the idea of pot shops, you would be the first to bitch, and demand the state have a say.

Paul Emery

Too late for that argument Walt. It's a done deal in Nevada City

Don Bessee

Clearly the po' ol' fakenewsman does not understand how many people rely on bandwidth from our cell providers to have good internet connectivity and that would have enabled significantly higher bandwidth. Bad for business and bad for the neighborhoods. Squawk you tin foil hat wearing party parrot. ;-)

Todd Juvinall

DonB, Paul; Emery has what is called "situational ethics". He is always prepared to change his postions when the wind blows. Not a believeable person. Sort of a sociopath really.

Bill Tozer

Dr. Rebane @ 3:25 pm, Oct 19, 2017.
I read half of the essay when Scott first posted it. Got busy and finally just finished it. The problem is bigger than homelessness, crime off the charts in urban jungles, violence run amok, fatherless homes, disgustingly low public education scores, slackers entering the workforce without the work ethic and demanding pats on the back, and on and on it goes. Nay, those are just symptoms of the problem.

No one is better at nuturing and caring for children than a loving mother. But, no one has a bigger impact on a child’s life than the father. Yes, it does not seem fair. But the 40 year study published by The Atlantic a decade or so back clearly showed the influence of the absentee father on the child and society, for whatever reason. Drop out rates, teen pregnancy, incarnation rates, income levels......irrefutable study and The Atlantic is hardly a religious or moralizing magazine. Yes, Mom does parenting better, but Dad has more impact and influence on a child’s direction in life. Fairness has nothing to do with it.

Saw this and liked the title. In an age of decrying “toxic masculinity” (Justin Trudeau) to SJWs slamming “Maleness” at every turn, one has to ask where are all the male mentors?
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/10/20/boy-scouts-america-should-let-boys-be-boys.html

Many boys used to make clubhouses or forts with the kids in the neighborhood with a sign posted, “no girls allowed.” At some point in time, nature’s forces take over, boys start to notice girls, and the ‘keep out’ sign is discarded for the rest of the boys’ lives. That is just the way it works, no matter how many male haters are running about our campuses.

Milo, as a young student, addressed the question ‘Can we achieve gender equality?” Go ahead and shoot the messenger, the message remains.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SocialJusticeInAction/comments/3viwvz/milo_yiannopoulos_address_to_the_men_at/

A Final Thought: Have come to the conclusion that some women don’t have a husband problem, they have a father problem. They just carry those unresolved issues with Dad into their relationships....all their many broken relationships. A tiny child’s first concept of God is their father. To further my general observations, many women (and males) do not have a father issue per se, they have a God problem. We witness this everyday, be it on entertainment media, blogs, campuses, lecturers, the press, and social gatherings. They simply transfer their father issues to God and their God issues to their Fathers, their husbands, their mates. Where did all the mentors go?

George Rebane

BillT 623am - Thanks for that thoughtful analysis Mr Tozer. I agree that our frenetic approach to the redefinition of not only women's roles in our society, but also the relationship between men and women continues to have a devastating effect on our culture, which after all, is what we are really attempting to change. And some of the things we are attempting to change through politics are attributes that we have acquired over the millennia.

Bill Tozer

This is my gripe against modern day (contempary) Social Justice Warriors. A simple meme articulates how I perceive the current shift. Yes, it is a broadbrush, and yes, there have been numerous injustices suffered by humanoids across every stripe, color, and historical age. And yes, there have been many who risked life and limb to fight injustice throughout the eons. With the above disclaimer aside, feel free to correct any errant perceptions of contempary SJWs my eyes and ears have led me to conclude.

https://www.facebook.com/colddeadhands/photos/a.307409332641284.68774.307188559330028/1512922342089971/?type=3&theater

George Rebane

Longtime RR commenter Greg Goodknight has a good Other Voices commentary in the 20oct17 Union that answers a recent piece by true believer and consensus science advocate Tucker Martinez on climate change. Greg specifically addresses the role of CO2 in global warming and takes the established position by many of us that the jury is out on whether we're really due for the reappearance of another little ice age.
http://www.theunion.com/opinion/columns/greg-goodknight-will-a-little-ice-age-reappear-place-your-bets/

Paul Emery


"Tom Price’s lawmaker wife wants people with HIV quarantined and their partners surveilled"

Astonishing to think that her now disgraced husband was head of Health and Human Services Sec. under Trump

“And I don’t want to say the quarantine word,” she went on, “but I guess I just said it. Is there an ability, since I would guess that public dollars are expended heavily in prophylaxis and treatment of this condition, so we have a public interest in curtailing the spread. What would you advise or are there any methods legally that we could do that would curtail the spread?”

She based her concerns on medical advances that allow HIV-positive people to live longer, healthier lives.

“It seems to me it’s almost frightening the number of people who are living that are potentially carriers, well not carriers, with the potential to spread, whereas in the past they died more readily and at that point they are not posing a risk. So we’ve got a huge population posing a risk if they are not in treatment,” Price said.

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/10/tom-prices-lawmaker-wife-wants-people-with-hiv-quarantined-and-their-partners-surveilled/

Todd Juvinall

So you want AIDS to go unreported and reviewed? We quarantine many infectious diseases so what makes HIV different?

Paul Emery

Do you contend Todd that those with AIDS should be quarantined ?

George Rebane

PaulE 1117am - You again answered a perfectly legitimate question about your 1042am with another question. That tactic powers a lot of meaningless meanderings in these comment streams. How about answering ToddJ since you brought up the whole subject of quarantining in the first place?

Paul Emery

Aids is for life Todd. Quarantining would amount to a life time confinement. Do you support that ?

I do not believe in a nationwide registry (reporting) of those inflicted with Aids.

Todd Juvinall

So what makes AIDS different than the other maladies that can be spread?

Paul Emery

answered 11:36

Flu can be spread Tod. Should those with Flu be quarantined or registered?

Paul Emery

Do you believe those with Hepatitis or STD's such as herpes should also be registered and quarantined?

Todd Juvinall

Ebola, Hep A and C, and here is the WEB MD link with a bit of info.
https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/quarantine-isolation

George Rebane

Re AIDS - If the disease is "for life" as Paul's 1128am asserts, then I wonder how is the spread of the disease controlled other than the honor system practiced by the infected. Specifically, should there be any criminal liability on the part of the self-aware and confirmed infected spreading the disease to an unsuspecting 'partner'? This question becomes doubly important if the treatment of AIDS is a public cost.

To me confounding this discussion with injection of short term maladies like the flu does not served to debate public policy on longterm debilitating maladies like AIDS.

Paul Emery

That process must then be extended to all diseases that are "for life" so to speak. Are you willing to consider that as well?

Paul Emery

Following up on your 11:44 link Todd, is this what you propose for those with Aids, Hep b and C etc?

What does it mean to be quarantined? People who have been exposed to an infectious disease and may be infected but are not yet ill may be quarantined. That is, they may be asked to remain at home or another location to prevent further spread of illness to others and to carefully monitor for the disease.

During quarantine people are able to do most things they can do indoors within the constraints of the location they are at. For example, if people are asked to stay at home then they would usually be asked to take their own temperature and report daily to health authorities on how they are feeling. They are given instructions on what they can do and not do around family members and are informed of other disease precautions.

If they are asked to stay in a place away from home they are provided with meals, sleeping accommodations, and other necessities. They would stay there until the risk of developing the disease or spreading the disease is over.

Todd Juvinall

Paul Emery there you go again putting intent and words in others mouths. Tell us, Paul Emery, what would be your direction for the 1919 Spanish Flu? Would you have confined the people that got it before it spread?

George Rebane

re PaulE 1155am - Note that Paul has confounded 'for life' diseases with 'for life and infectious' diseases. Why should quarantine be extended to uninfectious and/or infectious non-debilitating short-term diseases?

Paul Emery

Emergency situations are one thing Todd. Aids is for life and you are contending they should be quarantined. All you have to say is those with Aids should not be quarantined. How about it Todd-Yes or no.

" We quarantine many infectious diseases so what makes HIV different?"

Paul Emery

George

You know what I'm talking about. I never contended quarantine for non infectious diseases. How about your view. Should those with Aids be quarantined for life?

George Rebane

PaulE 1221pm - Not at the present rate of the spread of AIDS, but I would make the law clear for all long-term infectious and debilitating diseases that if you know you have it and pass it on to an unwitting recipient, you are culpable and liable for civil and/or criminal penalties - i.e. the unwitting recipient has recourse. However, any infectious debilitating disease, the spread of which we don't understand and/or control, that is spreading beyond a TBD threshold rate, is definitely a candidate for quarantine. For example, societies did that (i.e. lifetime quarantine) with leprosy before the nature and control of the disease became known.

Don Bessee

What a waste of space by the po' ol' fakenewsman above.

The Senate passed the budget and now its tax cuts galore ahead. No more sequester! Thank God. ;-)

Don Bessee

DOW 23,328. ;-)

Todd Juvinall

Oh Paul Emery, I have not taken a position on this but simply asked you some questions. Your strategy is always the same and quite boring. What makes HIV different than other infectious diseases? Pretty simple. And would you agree or not that a disease that kills the recipient is dangerous to allow with the population?

Paul Emery

To answer your question you have to define what "allow with the population" means is regard to HIV. Do that and I'll gladly answer.

Todd Juvinall

Freedom to be within the population with an infectious disease.

Paul Emery

George re your 12:28

Thanks for your thoughtful response to a complex Does " liable for civil and/or criminal penalties" imply federal law and require an national registry that your doctor would be legally responsible to report to ? How does that effect patient-doctor confidentiality?

Todd Juvinall

Just as I said, Paul Emery is unable to answer questions. Boring person.

Gregory

Geeze, Paul, what a fertile imagination you have when inventing implied conclusions to ask about... utter BS intended to lead to something you could denounce.

GR, that Other Voices caught me by surprise (a good one) as I hadn't gotten the usual call to insure I wrote it (I did) and intended it for publication (ditto).

Paul Emery

Well that would include Hep and Aids and would involve quarantine and isolation from the population so I'd say no. You've answered my question as well that you support quarantine and isolation for those with HIV. Would you be willing to knock on Magic Johnson's door and escort him to a relocation isolation center?

George Rebane

PaulE 147pm - When it comes to being a public contaminant and carrier of a deadly disease, patient-doctor confidentiality takes a back seat. Kinda the same for being a confirmed (i.e. convicted) sexual predator - your previous confidentiality with your therapist/psychologist no longer is an issue; community safety is, and you show up on all kinds of databases and enjoy restricted living spaces and passage.

Paul Emery

so your doctor could be required by law to report patients who have HIV to a government registry. Would this be a State or Federal requirement?

Todd Juvinall

Thinking now about these things I would support.

Pedophiles would be castrated and more than one victim they get the death sentence
Murderers get the electric chair, one appeal only
Drug dealers of kids, public pillory, and hanging
Infectious disease carriers, quarantine till no longer infectious
Rapists of women, castrated
Rapists of men, same as for women

George Rebane

PaulE 219pm - Remember, I said in my 1228pm that all of this reporting and registering would kick in after such a disease becomes 'sufficiently' (TBD by CDC say) widespread and uncontrolled. Since interstate travel is not restricted, I suppose it would have to be a federal law.

George Boardman

Here you go, boys.
http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/10/19/murder-insurance-or-protection-in-self-defense-cases/

Gregory

"You've answered my question as well that you support quarantine and isolation for those with HIV. Would you be willing to knock on Magic Johnson's door and escort him to a relocation isolation center?"


Bizarre. Absolutely bizarre. You've obviously been taking lessons in Brownian Logic from Keachie, Paul, or perhaps your cognitive skills are weakening with age.

Otherwise, please deconstruct my words into your conclusions using whatever you use for logic, formal or informal.

fish

Posted by: George Boardman | 20 October 2017 at 03:31 PM


Some are calling it “murder insurance,” and say that rather than promoting personal responsibility and protection, it encourages gun owners to take action and not worry about the consequences. And, they say, it’s being marketed in a way that feeds on the nation’s racial divisions.


"Feeding on racial divisions"? Sounds like somebody is upset that the insurance industry is cutting in on the democrats action!


“The reason I call it murder insurance is because if you look at the way this is marketed, it’s really sold in the context of ‘There’s a threat around every corner, dear mostly-white NRA member,’ and that threat is either a black man or a brown man or some other kind of person of color,” said Guns Down director Igor Volsky.


Think Igor Volsky should be called out for blatant racism? After all.....it looks like the only people he thinks commit criminal acts are minorities.

Gregory

"The coverage kicks in if a court finds the person lawfully shot someone in self-defense or the case is dropped."

Bored Georgeman, how would that be "murder insurance"?

Todd Juvinall

Those darn insurance companies seem t always be practicing capitalism, don't they.

Paul Emery

Thanks George for the respectful conversation.

Russ

Nevada City Buying My Parents House

I picked up the Union at the SPD yesterday and discovered that Nevada City was buying the house, my parents, Burt and Margaret Steele built in 1939, the year after I was born.

The full story is at Sierra Foothill Commentary: https://sierrafoothillcommentary.com

Paul Emery

Gregory

Todd is on record as supporting quarantine for those with HIV since it is not curable except in rare cases but is treatable.
He also expanded on several other legal repercussions for various things. Here's the list he provided.

"Pedophiles would be castrated and more than one victim they get the death sentence
Murderers get the electric chair, one appeal only
Drug dealers of kids, public pillory, and hanging
Infectious disease carriers, quarantine till no longer infectious
Rapists of women, castrated
Rapists of men, same as for women"

Walt

So now the bitch is insurance for gun owners who may need to defend themselves... AFTER they defend themselves.
We already buy insurance for everything else these days, so what's the real bitch?

Paul Emery

Todd

What is the penalty for women who rape men?

Walt

I doubt you need to worry about that Paul.

Scott Obermuller

Boardman has a history of losing his intelligence whenever the subject of fire arms comes up.
Does Boardman have home owners insurance? By his reasoning, he obviously intends to have folks injured (perhaps seriously or even fatally) on his property.
What a guy!
No insurance can protect against criminal liability.
'Murder insurance' - only a total idiot would buy that BS.

Walt

To LIBS and black LIBS,, anything and everything is racist.
Even if they have NEVER heard the term.

"For her own part, Rep. Wilson said that the “empty barrel” comment is specifically racist, even though she also admitted she had never heard the term before."
http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/20/leftists-criticize-gen-kelly-for-racist-attack-on-rep-wilson-video/

I sure love the "all hat and no cattle" phrase that was used too.
Has she even seen a cattle ranch? I'm sure she would equate that to slavery as well.

We have a few "empty barrels" of our own. Bunhole, Paul, and an occasional Steve.
They make a bunch of noise, but produce nothing when the lid is opened.

Walt

The Gen. was right.
http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/20/fact-check-is-empty-barrel-a-racist-term/

Scott Obermuller

Oh Walt - it's proven fact that any time you criticise anyone in the 'disadvantaged community' you are a racist. And Lord knows that woman is mentally disadvantaged.

Bill Tozer

Walt @ 5:00 pm.

Well, add “empty barell” to the list. The list just keeps getting longer and longer. I would have called her a water buffalo myself. From 2011

https://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2011/05/17/7-of-the-most-ridiculous-cries-of-racism-ever-made-n1250056

Dr. Ben Caron once did an exploratory on Rep. Wilson’s brain. As Dr, Caron was doing his prosecure to see what in the heck was wrong with Rep. Wilson, Frederica yelled to Dr. Carson to quit repeating himself. The renowned brain surgeon pulled down his respirator and answered, “I’m not.”

https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/1187215051412530/?type=3&theater

Todd Juvinall

Here is that crazy woman's District.

Florida's 24th congressional district
FL24 115.png
Florida's 24th congressional district - since January 3, 2017
Current Representative Frederica Wilson (D–Miami)
Area 115[1] sq mi (300 km2)
Population (2015) 745,862
Median income $38,016
Ethnicity

37.53% White
55.15% Black
1.92% Asian
32.41% Hispanic
0.07% Native American
3.47% other

Cook PVI D+34[2]

Todd Juvinall

Here is the voter registration totals

As of November 2016:

Democrats: 253,606 (64.99%)
Independents: 89,084 (22.83%)
Republicans: 43,218 (11.07%)
Others: 4,264 (1.09%)[3]

I wonder if this is a gerrymandered district? Ya think?

Walt

Bill. Water Buffalo? I'm going with caped buffalo.
The water buff is a real gentle critter. And we can make pizza cheese from it's milk!
Now the caped buff on the other hand would kill ya' on sight if it gets the chance.

Todd Juvinall

cape

Bill Tozer

Todd

More important than where she lives is Big Fred Riding Hood’s voting record.

https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/937993906350832/?type=3&theater

Don’t matter what the grieving widow says. She is now just a tool now for the liberals, to be cast aside and spit on at a later date. She is just another victim of Democrat Party abuse. Just like Cindy Sheehan. Once the driveby fakenews crews pack up the cameras and leave, she is no longer needed....or useful.

https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/938282536321969/?type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/938282536321969/?type=3&theater

Big Fred Riding Hood.

https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/937806926369530/?type=3&theater

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