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17 January 2018

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Don Bessee

I watched WH COS Kelley's interview today where he acknowledged the President has not meant a wall on every inch of the boarder. Just as Trump said in speeches. Kelley said there is however a need for an additional 700 miles of physical barriers. NEED.

No on every lamestream media site their spin is the President has broken his promise or lied. There were just too many links to pick from so I refrained from filling space needlessly with fakenews.

;-)

Don Bessee

Now on

Don Bessee

I saw the Presidents fakenews winners and I have been trying to get the list of the Presidents fakenews winners to post but the national GOP and other searched sites are swamped. ;-)

George Rebane

DonB 540pm - It has always been about border porosity, and whatever it takes to reduce it to a tolerable level. You can tell the people who don't care about promulgating America ("the shining city on a hill") by how they ignore this basic precept, and divert the conversation to the ridiculous picture of a physical wall from the Pacific to the Gulf. It would be interesting to debate what really motivates such people - are they sincere and just dumb, or do they really mean to continue promoting a porous border?

Don Bessee

@644- Greed, avarice and self promotion seem to be the motivation for personality faults that are so engaged by the socialist talking points. Uneducated, socially brutalized by group think, fakenewsed (in a verb sense) people look like a ripe field for the worst media abuses.

We can however work to get the truth out in our own little ways. Did the www kings of the world become the 1984 book burners by real world effect and politically correct algorithmic tyranny?

;-(

Scenes

GeorgeR...thanks for the pointer to the Rand book. I just started reading it but couldn't help noticing how nicely the eras they mention jibe nicely with this.

https://i0.wp.com/peterturchin.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/uspv.jpg

George Rebane

Re the practice of truth decay, the recent report what Apple and other corporations are doing in response to the new tax law is a wonder to behold. More in 18jan18 update to the recent Scattershots.
http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2018/01/scattershots-15jan18.html

Walt

The rot just got a tad better.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2018/01/18/poll-shows-public-waking-media-lies-gop-tax-plan/

Don Bessee

This will give the left cavities-

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/01/18/apple-ceo-trump-tax-plan-will-result-in-job-creation-and-a-faster-growing-economy/

;-)

George Rebane

DonB 237pm - Yes. Please see the 18jan18 update to the next Scattershots.

Bill Tozer

Free speech or freedom from coerced speech?

“It’s unthinkable for the government to force anyone to provide free advertising for the abortion industry,” said Kevin Theriot, senior counsel at ADF. “This is especially true of pregnancy care centers, which exist to care for women who want to have their babies. The state shouldn’t have the power to punish anyone for being pro-life. Instead, it should protect freedom of speech and freedom from coerced speech.”

“Similar laws adopted in New York and Maryland were struck down by the 2nd and 4th U.S. Circuit Courts of Appeal, though the 9th Circuit upheld California’s law in 2016. The Supreme Court is more likely to hear a case when circuit courts “split” or reach different conclusions on the same question.”

http://dailysignal.com/2017/11/13/supreme-court-will-review-california-law-requiring-pro-life-groups-to-promote-abortion/

Don Bessee

Uncomfortable truth for team lefty-

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/18/the-dows-31-percent-gain-during-trumps-first-year-is-the-best-since-fdr.html

;-)

Bill Tozer

Fakesnws or Tooth Decay?

“Still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest”—-The Boxer

I feel compelled to clarify a very important distiction: DACAs are not Dreamers.

Everyday across our land, Lefty politicans and pundits interchange DACA with Dreamers. Just today (for example’, the Botox Queen repeated the Left’s unwavering vow to protect DACA “children” and in the very next sentence repeated the need to protect Dreamers.

DACA are foreign born nations (illegals) brought into the US when they were16 years old and younger between 2007 and 2011. Their numbers are estimated between 750k-800,000.

Dreamers are also illegals, brought into the US when they were under 18 years of age and may precede the DACA qualifying timeframe of 2007.

When Botox Queen Nancy or any politician, pundit, or talking head chatters about protecting Dreamers, they are in essence advocating for blanket Amnesty for 3.3-3.6 million illegal aliens, the number of Dreamers and their illegal alien parents. Big difference.

BTW, once an illegal alien “child” given protected status and reaches 21years of age, that person qualifies to bring into our country the entire extended family.

Bill Tozer

With the above clarification stated, I may no proceed.

At present, it’s estimated that there are more than nine million illegal immigrants in the U.S., including more than eight million in the labor force. The bulk of these migrants came across our border illegally, but 40% entered legally and overstayed their visa expirations. Almost 60% reside in just six states, California and Texas being the largest “hosts.”

course, the human cost of violent assault and murders by illegal aliens is incalculable — and those apprehended now make up 22% of federal prison inmates. According to analysis of the U.S. Sentencing Commission by Tucker Carlson, “Non-citizens account for 22 percent, more than a fifth of all federal murder convictions, 29 percent of drug trafficking convictions and 72 percent of convictions for drug possession, 33 percent of money laundering convictions and 18 percent of fraud convictions. Meanwhile, the non-citizen percentage of the American people? About 7 percent.”

“Illegal immigrants pay approximately $19 billion in taxes, and thus the net cost to American taxpayers is about $116 billion. The net taxpayer cost over the lifetime of an illegal immigrant laborer’s stay is approximately $231,000.

While the cost to taxpayers is important, the real issue is whether we are a nation defined by laws and borders or a nation defined by Democrat political agendas.”

https://patriotpost.us/alexander/53509


Bill Tozer

Armageddon update:

What’s even more interesting is what Ed Morrissey observes: “Not only [does Apple] have a reputation for wokeness and hipness, they’ve also been more or less hostile to the Trump administration since before it arrived. Remember when CEO Tim Cook sent an emergency message to his employees after Donald Trump won the election? That came just a few months after Apple pulled its donation to the Republican convention over Trump’s remarks on a range of topics. Cook also felt compelled to message his employees over Trump’s remarks about the riot in Charlottesville. It’s been clear that Cook hasn’t much use for Trump, and especially that he wants to be seen as not having much use for Trump. However, business is business, after all … which was precisely the point that Republicans made in predicting these outcomes from the tax reform package.”

To recap, under Democrat policy, Apple would have left all that money overseas, never to be brought back, not hired thousands and offered no bonuses. Under Republican policy, Apple is going to pay $38 billion in taxes instead of $0, as well as hire 20,000 and pay out $2,500 bonuses. Bad, bad Republicans!

https://patriotpost.us/articles/53539

Bill Tozer

Mike Rowe

“But if you’re trying to get me fired simply because you don’t like my worldview, well then, I’m going to fight back. Partly because I like my job, and partly because you’re wrong about your assumptions, but mostly because your tactics typify a toxic blend of laziness and group-think that are all too common today – a hot mess of hashtags and intolerance that deepen the chasm currently dividing our country.”

“Maybe I’m missing something, but I don’t think the ground you’re standing on is worth defending. If you truly fear “no one & nothing,” it’s not because you’re brave; it’s because you’re unwilling to expose yourself to ideas that frighten you. And while I can see that you like to fight for what you think is “right” (in this case, getting people fired that you disagree with,) one could easily say the same thing about any other misguided, garden-variety bully

http://dailycaller.com/2018/01/12/mike-rowe-destroys-woman-who-wants-him-fired-for-being-ultra-right-wing-conservative/


Paul Emery

Well George Porn Gate about Trum and his romp wit a porn star is either tue or it's not. How can the truth be determined? John Edwards got busted for paying off his videographer why sas that important and part of a campaign issue and why is it not important about Trumps background?

Paul Emery

Sent before it was edited

Well George Porn Gate is about Trump and his romp with a porn star is either tue or it's not. How can the truth be determined? John Edwards got busted for paying off his videographer why sas that important and part of a campaign issue and why is it not important about when applied to Trumps ?

Walt

PPPSSSSTTTTT.... Paul... No one cares.

fish

Posted by: Paul Emery | 19 January 2018 at 01:12 PM


But Punch.....how can this be a “thing”? After all we were repeatedly admonished that the sex lives of politicians was none of our business (even when it was occurring in places like the Oval Office) by authoritative sources like the New York Times, the Washington Post, and the electronic media!

Bill Tozer

Yo Punchy, you taught us well. If it’s consensual, then it’s moral.....as long as she wasn’t an underling. What’s the big deal?

https://youtu.be/18Sua_QTDs0

Bill Tozer

Sorry Gregory, but having Gary Hart frolicking on a boat christened Monkey Business is too much irony to overlook. Hey, I was an Alan Keyes guy once, my first choice was Dr. Carson for a couple weeks, and I voted for Carter....so I ain’t throwing rocks at ya.

Times have changed. Monkey Business? Hart got Borked.

Oh Stormy, ooooooh Stormy! Yes!

Paul Emery

You guys made a big deal about John Edwards and still like to bring up Bubbads escapades. Why is this unimportant?

Paul Emery

Bill

So there is no "irony" in the favorite of the bible thumpers having an affair with a porn star while his wife is pregnant. Really

Paul Emery

The point of bring this up in this post about Truth Decay is to raise the question as to who is responsible for finding the truth in this matter.

Walt

Edwards wife was dying. Really want to go back there?

Walt

Paul. The ONLY thing LIBS care about truth these days, is smearing it.

Paul Emery

So Walt then in your viewit's OK to bonk a porn star while your wife is pregnant.

Back to the topic at hand who is responsible for bringing up the truth in this matter.

Bill Tozer

The topic at hand is NOT who is responsible for bringing the truth, but the topic is the more metaphysical “What is Truth?”

Walt

Damn Paul,, again you show your warped sense of decency.
It's OK when one is in her deathbed? Yet you try and make an argument for pregger times.
Nice to know....

George Rebane

PaulE 109pm - Who is "George Porn Gate"?

News item - 'Facebook to rank news sources by quality of information' Do we really believe a politically correct corporate censor of postings to become our yardstick for such rankings?? That is a poor metric. An important news item may be published with low quality of information, but still communicate the overarching issue/event. Should it receive a ranking that puts the whole news item into doubt?

Administrivia - Gentlemen, stay on the topic of Truth Decay and not go into the vicissitudes of politicians' sex lives. I hate the drudgery of deleting irrelevant comments.

Bill Tozer

Sure thing, Doc. I will repost this. I found it more on topic and worth the read.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/01/12/mike-rowe-destroys-woman-who-wants-him-fired-for-being-ultra-right-wing-conservative/

fish

Posted by: Paul Emery | 19 January 2018 at 01:41 PM


You guys made a big deal about John Edwards and still like to bring up Bubbads escapades. Why is this unimportant?

We didn’t make a big deal over Edwards Punch......that was during the 2008 Democratic primary!


You guys did......an internecine battle amongst your democratic brethren!

Paul Emery

George

The discussion of Trumps porno queen bonking episode was entirely relevant because it dealt with the question of how should such an incident be known to the public. the answer is of course through a free press.

What is your view on how that kind of news should be made public? Also what should the process be to determine it's validity. Notice that Trump is not claiming slander on the sources probably because it's true.

The wall street Journal has confirmed that there were payoffs in the matter.

Scenes

GeorgeR: "I hate the drudgery of deleting irrelevant comments."

lol. If you did that, 95% of Saint Paul's bon mots would disappear in a thunderclap.

It really is worth considering to what extent a 'news' story, interview, photograph should represent objective reality (hard enough to determine) vs. veer hard to the bias of the professional.

What we saw in this last Presidential cycle is a fairly obvious push to actually drive the election, and to an extent I haven't seen in my life. Luckily, the internet is slowly eradicating the oligopoly of the New York Times, TV networks, and the like. The scary thing is the new monopoly in specialized media companies held by Google/Yahoo/Twitter/Facebook/etc. which combines a strong agreement with Green Libertarian principles and the ability to track and target individual users. Really, it's up to Trump and his minions to think through some way to break up those monopolies since KVMR and it's listeners are perfectly cool with the web giants (and the 17 intelligence agencies, 18 including Google) so long as they carry water for the globalists.

If you ever wonder who the real corporatists are, just ask how a large company benefits in any way by encouraging the US government to begin controlling it's borders again.

Bill Tozer

5:23 pm

But it is not gaining traction because.......people don’t care. No love child involved, no wife dying of cancer, no rape, no taking matter in his own hands and jacking on the potted plants. It is very important to you no doubt, but there are bigger and more impotent stuff going down at the moment. That dog don’t hunt.

Rest assured, it will come back around....on another slow news day, following the ‘Trump is mentally unfit for office’ and the NYT disabled spastic reporter cycle. It’s just on hold for future reruns at this very hour. Patience.

Now, what does Pat have to say? Hmmm.

http://buchanan.org/blog/trump-immigration-debate-race-matters-128528

Scenes

"But it is not gaining traction because.......people don’t care."

Oh come on, be fair. Paul, he care long time.

It would be interesting to listen to the anti-Trump planning that goes on. Somewhere there's a whiteboard covered with the dozen or so important memes, perhaps with a couple held in reserve. Hundreds of gumshoes looking for ex-girlfriends, business partners, that kid he knew in third grade, really the most heavily investigated man in history.

That shows the lack of seriousness in modern politics, and the local non-entities are welcome to get hot and bothered about all this stuff, but the real issue is the active participation by the media in the skewing and invention of the narrative. I guess it gives a more accurate meaning to the phrase news 'story'.

fish

“What is your view on how that kind of news should be made public? Also what should the process be to determine it's validity. Notice that Trump is not claiming slander on the sources probably because it's true.”


Ooooh.....questions! Who could have guessed?!

Gregory

Paul... what law is broken if person A wishes person B to sign a non-disclosure agreement after the fact and pays to get the signature? Let's stipulate that the schtupping covered by the non-disclosure was between consenting adults and was legal.

George Rebane

PaulE 523pm - I would repeat Gregory's 755pm question. What has been reported is a tabloid affair, and I know of no law that was broken. The entire affair is now between the POTUS and FLOTUS, long may they wave. But given the proclivities of the lamestream, I wager that we will have considerable truth decay in the reporting.

Gregory

Emery?
Emery?
Emery?
Emery?

Just wondering... this "green" libertarianism you follow... does it always have double standards regarding shtupping porn stars in their off hours? Oh, and neither were working for the government in elective office or a regular employee or intern, just in case you thought there might be parallels between this and a bubba in the past.

Scenes

re: Gregory@11:10PM

That's the beauty of Green Libertarianism, it's whatever you want it to be. No need for any kind of rigor or stated philosophy at all.

But....Green Libertarianism strikes me as a thing. It's the result of endless neenering and confabs by like-minded people. I don't doubt that you could ask Mr. Emery or a bunch of his like-minded friends a list of questions and they would all agree on the answers, consistency is not the problem. A kind of internal manifesto based on bitching about 'pubbers' and producing a disaster in their home territory.

If a group or government policy in their home base is a slap-you-in-the-face disaster, well, it wasn't 'real' Green Libertarianism.

Russ

NOTE: George has a Truth Decay Other Voices in The Union this morning (Saturday 20 Jan 2018). It will be interesting to see the comments that it generates in another forum. It is going to be an interesting week.

Todd Juvinall

Hey George, Just read a "fact" poll from Wapo/ABC that Trump is to blame for the "shutdown". My question to the lamebrains that think that. "How can he and the Republicans be at fault when they all voted for keeping the government open? And every democrat (except five) voted to shut it down. Now logic would say that cannot be unless the question asked by the pollsters was so obfuscated that there was only the wrong answer possible. I am searching for that poll.

MAGA CoVfefe!

Welcome Todd!!! to the lightly read book club!!!

NotLibs are the new big spenders who want a magic wall boondoggle to pour money into.
NotLibs says the want clean bills without a lot of pork...but demand a wall funding requirement before DACA can move forward???
Truth Decay strikes again!!!
Trumpski said the buck stops with him...it is all Trumpski's fault!!!


Scenes

"but demand a wall funding requirement before DACA can move forward"

Lack of a wall caused DACA to a great extent.


Listen, I get it. With some allowable over-generalization, Green Libertarians are anti-Great Wall of America because (choose one):

a) It'll cost $10B or some such sum (about $30 / citizen?).
b) Because they are in favor of unrestricted immigration from the Third World for some reason that I can't determine.

Generally, I'd say that it's a bad practice to import people who make your country stupider, poorer, or sicker. There should be some way to codify that.

fish

Posted by: MAGA CoVfefe! | 20 January 2018 at 08:56 AM


Welcome Todd!!! to the lightly read book club!!!

NotLibs are the new big spenders who want a magic wall boondoggle to pour money into.
NotLibs says the want clean bills without a lot of pork...but demand a wall funding requirement before DACA can move forward???
Truth Decay strikes again!!!
Trumpski said the buck stops with him...it is all Trumpski's fault!!!


None of which you cared about when Sugar Frosted Barry'Os was warming the Chief Executives chair!


Sounds like you're due for a new pair of Depends™ Dougski!

Walt

LOL Dougy(FeFe),, The same line of BS you spewed on the Daily Caller pages.

George Rebane

The MAGAs of our country have not the wherewithal to figure out why a boat sinks if you first don't plug the hole and commence instead with a futile bailing effort.

MAGA CoVfefe!

NOTLIBS AND THE ORANGE JULIUS OWN IT!!! No truth decay on me!!!

Washington (CNN)A bipartisan group of senators on Wednesday formally unveiled their immigration proposal with new supporters -- even as the White House continued to call the deal dead on arrival.
Sens. Dick Durbin, D-Illinois, and Lindsey Graham, R-South Carolina, introduced their bill Wednesday afternoon with Sens. Bob Menendez, D-New Jersey, Michael Bennet, D-Colorado, Jeff Flake, R-Arizona, Cory Gardner, R-Colorado, Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska, Lamar Alexander, R-Tennessee, Susan Collins, R-Maine, and Mike Rounds, R-South Dakota, putting the bill close to having enough votes to pass the Senate, assuming unanimous Democratic support, but not quite to the 60-vote threshold needed to advance legislation.
The bill appeared to be the same that was presented to President Donald Trump last week, when the President, using vulgar terms, rejected the pitch, according to sources familiar with that meeting.

Todd Juvinall

MAGA forgets that a promise is a promise. Build the wall, stop the drugs and illegals, then deal with those inside. That has always been our position. All you want on the left is a mass of new democrats on the dole.

MAGA CoVfefe!

Todd believes a wall will stop drugs,,,a magic wall???

MAGA CoVfefe!

Not
NotLibs have not the wherewithal to figure out how to submit a clean DACA bill and a clean WALL bill. Why??? Freedom caucus would shoot it down as a wast of money??? By forcing THE GREAT WALL money grab into DACA social program they shut FED down!!!

George Rebane

re MAGA 1019am - It was Shutdown Schumer who rejected the Senate included partial DACA to fix the near-term problem, and instead surprised all (but his own colluders) by demanding a comprehensive immigration reform bill inserted into the current CR. That ain't going to happen in three days. And including some money in the CR, not for building "THE GREAT WALL", but reducing border porosity was not a biggie but a negotiable. I think you socialists are playing as if you're sure the country will continue to blame the Republicans for your Never Trump tactics. Who knows, as this commentary acknowledges, we may be dumb enough to swallow it.

Gregory

I don't know about others here but I'm perfectly good with folks who registered under DACA (deferred action for childhood arrivals) getting a permanent resident 'green' card. Something like 800k people.

No path to citizenship, at least to begin with. No chain to bring a green card to their relatives... especially not their parents who brought them over the border illegally to begin with. As adults, their parents had a choice.

Russ

Gregory @ 10:46 AM

According to USA Today, it is 3.6 million not 800K

"The political debate over the fate of "DREAMers" — undocumented immigrants brought to the U.S. as children — has overlooked just how many there are in the country today: about 3.6 million."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/01/18/...3.../1042134001/

MAGA CoVfefe!


Shutdown Schumer doing a 2013 TED CRUZ impersonation???

Gregory

Russ, no. The 3.5M number is DREAM Act, not the DACA.

DREAMers and DACA are used interchangeably by some. They are not the same.

George Rebane

MAGA 1058am - I'd say that's a fair comparison, save that Shutdown Schumer is more adroit at it than was Cumbersome Cruz.

Gregory 1106am - I recommend an open letter from you to the country's mass media explaining the matter is warranted. They all seem to be confused.

Gregory

Not "all seem to be confused" George 11:10am, and I'm not responsible for the mass confusion. My comments to your blog will have to do.

Here's a short piece I found by googling DREAM vs DACA, by the tidy righties at the National Review
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/451311/daca-vs-dream-moving-goalposts

About 800k stood up and made declarations they were childhood arrivals meeting the DACA criteria, paid the ~$500 DACA registration fee and the ~$500 green card application fee that is standard. I think it a reasonable compromise to keep with the bargain that was made and nearly a billion dollars paid.

Gregory

Regarding Shutdown Schumer vs. Cumbersome Cruz, it's easier for a Senator to appear adroit when 90+% of the press corps want to carry your water for you.

Bill Tozer

Forgive me if these links have been previously posted by other commentators under the topic Truth Decay.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/pew-us-media-bias-ranks-worst-in-the-world/article/2645644

https://youtu.be/GijPX96_5uU

George Rebane

Gregory 1142am - Of course; agreed.

BillT 104pm - I think you bagged that one Mr Tozer. It's interesting (but not unexpected) that the better funded journalistic mavens at WaPo did not discover and cite that Pew report.

Scenes

re: Gregory

"
Russ, no. The 3.5M number is DREAM Act, not the DACA."

The DREAM Act never passed, no? It does amuse me that the letter 'A' is for 'Alien' which is verboten now.

Personally, I have two minds on all of this. One agrees with you to let those 'kids' go ahead and become a form of second-class citizen. On the other hand, after three or four decades of one-time-only mass immigration waves, I'm starting to lose patience. Saint Ted Kennedy appears to be somewhat at the center of the situation, but perhaps there are earlier well meaning folks.

In the long run, my guess is that we are all trending away from compromising on these matters. It's probably best to plan around that endgame.

George Rebane

Scenes 317pm - Agreed Mr Scenes, and the name of the endgame here and elsewhere has been the Great Divide. In the end socialism and socialists must be served. Historically the collectivists have learned through no other means than raw experience, and they should have that with and within their likeminded cohort without dragging the rest of us to partake of their quagmire.

Don Bessee

When shutdown Schumer looses CNN on this truth, you know he is in trouble-

http://www.breitbart.com/2018-elections/2018/01/19/cnn-poll-shows-amnesty-advocates-big-loser-shutdown/

;-)

Scenes

GeorgeR: "In the end socialism and socialists must be served."

I might have mentioned this before, but there's a nice book by Walker Connor on nationalism and Marxism and how the latter dealt with this problem. It's worth a read.

By golly, socialists always end up with a form of elite rule, perhaps like most other systems, but at least they feel good about themselves.

Given that socialism is just another form of religion, I wonder sometimes why it leads groups to act in even more extreme behaviors than the more exotic spiritual beliefs.

Xenophilliac

You are getting out there Scenes. The ‘isms are now religions? Is not now the oligarchy ruling us a capitalist religion then also?

Scenes

"Is not now the oligarchy ruling us a capitalist religion"

No, not at all. There's always an oligarchy of some sort, it's essentially impossible to manage a large organization without one. Capitalism is essentially a system of self-interest, and it's certainly not new. Heck, if anything, the Roman Empire was more capitalistic than the modern American one. God knows the taxes were lower.

Socialism is like any other religion in that it revolves around managing the affairs of others. Rather than trying to amass a pile of gold, the aim is obedience. Perhaps the real goal in that case is a pile of souls.

Don Bessee

Winning-

Fleets say they are plowing a hefty portion of the extra revenue from shippers into recruiting drivers. Many expect to raise pay later this year.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trucking-companies-race-to-add-capacity-drivers-as-market-heats-up-1516453200
;-)

Scenes

...as an addendum. Don't get me wrong, I don't think there's anything wrong with a religion (or socialism if you can make it work). Dealing with the problem of altruism for those who are non blood-relatives is a tricky matter.

It seems to me that traditional religions and the more modern variants (Marxism, socialism, perhaps the French Revolution) are all chiseling away at the same part of the human psyche, but the 20th century variants like Marxism simply aren't as effective. The follow-on tends to be police states to make up for the lack of natural obedience people feel towards the philosophy.

Gregory

Scenes...

Not a second class citizen. A first class permanent resident of the USA remaining a first class citizen of some other country. Once things have settled down and the border functions as a border, maybe revisit citizenship. 10 years from now sounds good to me.

Don Bessee

You mean like this? @446

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2018/01/19/socialism-venezuelans-turn-to-selling-garbage-for-survival/

;-)

Scenes

re: Gregory@5:50PM

Agreed. Call it a permanent alien status (it probably is already).

Bill Tozer

DACA is simple. Easy fiX. Made a promise to the kids, we have to honor it. 700,000 in, they can go to school and work. Tailored to that specific timeframe (2006-2011) 16 or under, can’t leave the country, don’t hang with gangs, keep your nose clean, lean English (25% can’t speak English) don’t be a dropout, and have at it. As far as your parents go, they can never become US citizens. They are still illegal aliens. Maybe some kind of temp status for them. It’s all about the student, not about his cousin sitting around bored one day telling his friends he has a nephew in the United States......and Aunt and Uncle.....

A DACA stand alone would be easy. No poison pills, no guareented citizenship, no extensions to file or extending the program, check the records for the rotten apples or ones who were a lot older than 16 when they said they were 16, and, presto!, then DACA will pass and be signed....leaving the “Dreamers” in the cold, Dems save face. Stand alone. Easy. Won’t happen. The Dems will load it up with little gumdrops and Herseys kisses. Their appetite is insatiable. It all will do is just wet their appetite.

The Left still believes the Wall will not be build. As they say, “They built the Great Wall of China one stone at a time.” To be continued.

Scenes

"The Left still believes the Wall will not be built."

The cost can't be the problem, although that's the current roadblock being set up.

I'm thinking along the lines of a GoFundMe. There are quite a few numbers being passed around, but let's say $5B to provide most of the functionality of a border wall. Like most things, most of the value is in the first bunch of construction, not the marginal value of adding the last bit.

So $5B. Let's say we get 50M people to kick in. 100 bucks each.

I'm in. Heck, I'll sponsor a few people.

The funny thing is that even if it were free, the Green Libertarians would start up a caterwauling about some other issue.

Bill Tozer

Dreamers.....or DACA? What about Unaccompanied Minors?

A chart, but I would call it DACA. These interchange terms are tossed in the croc pot and stewed down until it all tastes the same.
https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/985308338286055/?type=3&theater

Just because.....
https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/985307761619446/?type=3&theater

Scenes. Yep, have seen things like buying a brick in the wall with your name on it, Just like the Draft House Monument in our friendly confines. Or, “would you send in 20 bucks, 100 bucks in to build the wall?” questionairs. Sure, or just tax me. The money it saves will be 5X the cost in just a few years. To put it another way, it will be revenue neutral (pay for itself) in one year. Who cares if it takes 3-7/years to pay for itself in social service, education, medical, and other costs to the hard working family men and women taxpayers.

Storytime, 2016, Spring campaign going on, bad time for Shutdown, nobody wants it in a campaign year. Too disruptive. I was madder than a hornet at Paul Ryan. He opened up the store and gave away all the goods...to Obama. Not only went along, but piled heaps of stuff on Obama’s arms to carry off...stuff Obama did not even ask for.

I was so mad I wanted Ryan screwed, blued, and tattooed. Until I uncovered a nugget. During another negotiation with Obama to avoid a potenial looming Shutdown, Ryan caved on in on something and I thought “Here we go again.” The news had it all wrong. The sticking point was not the sticking point at all. The sticking point was $700,000 was finally released to the wall from previous administrations and Obama wanted that money returned or no deal. The Deal Breaker was just 700k, Obama wanted every penny of that money back. Heck, it could have been authorized but held up since the Clinton days.
The money went back to the Treasury, Money finally left Appropriations, went to the Wall, was returned, done appropriated, done spent, end of story. Crisis avoided.

Tells you everything you need to know about the True Believers. They sure as heck don’t want no stinkin’ Wall. It ain’t porous enough the way it is.

Bill Tozer

Morning read
Illegal immigration is an unstainable economic bludgeon.

https://patriotpost.us/articles/53548-study-illegal-immigration-is-an-economic-bludgeon

Scenes likes this sort of stuff.

https://www.facebook.com/PatriotPost/photos/a.82108390913.80726.51560645913/10155355208220914/?type=3&theater

Russ

Bumped from Sandbox

The Australian -- Trump’s First Year: Truth Gets Lost In Hysteria

The Conclusion to a long article:

Trump could be a success as President and could yet be a disaster. It is too early to tell. But there have been achievements and, for all that is distasteful and unorthodox about his style, he has remained faithful to his pre-election posturing. His critics need to be less shrill. The Democrats need to spend less time shrieking about Russia and put more effort into unearthing alternative policies and candidates.

Across the globe rational assessments of his actions and results will matter, not emotive and personal denouncements.

Perhaps those who hysterically condemn Trump as a means of expressing their own virtue need to consider that if their aim is to portray themselves as more tolerant and urbane than the US President, they might be setting a pretty low bar.

https://news22741224.wordpress.com/2018/01/21/trumps-first-year-truth-gets-lost-in-hysteria/

Good insight from abroad, well worth your time to read.

Bill Tozer

re: Update.

Who in the heck is Jeff Jones?

Anyway,

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/the-myth-that-government-shutdowns-hurt-republicans/

https://www.conservativereview.com/articles/chuck-schumers-three-decades-immigration-lies/

Bill Tozer

Re: 21 of Jan update.

Wow, that gal with a Masters Degree sure got her dander up and shame on me. This is the CSU-Chico faulty and staff doing their diversity retreat up on Sugarplum Mountain....er....at Shady Creek. What an absolutely appropriately named place. I thought they were supposed to hold hands and form a circle around the NRA HQ. Must be the intensive training comes first.

https://csuchicocdo.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/dsc01590.jpg

Bill Tozer

Update.

Nice screed there, teachers of our children.

This link is us. This link is you. Care to claim the moral high ground?

The media set-up of Sanders’s visit would have one believe that the senator was offering himself as a sacrificial lamb to hordes of intolerant, conservative Christians who would relish humiliating him. But that didn’t happen. Instead, Sanders delivered a speech with no interruptions or mass protest. There was no jeering. No one held up signs denouncing Sanders as a baby-killing progressive. As far as I could tell, Sanders had no need of security guards or police protection. Moreover, Liberty students received no trigger warnings prior to Sanders’s speech. Nor did the school provide campus “safe spaces” where students could seek calm and coddling after being traumatized by his leftist ideas. Could it be that Liberty University demonstrated the fruits that follow from an atmosphere that prioritizes respect, kindness, and a forthright willingness to engage with those who hold opposing views? Is there something unique at a faith-driven campus that allows people the freedom to debate without recourse to violence and intimidation? One would think civil, open discussion would be the norm at college campuses in America. As we all know, it isn’t.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/424048/welcoming-sanders-liberty-university-shows-left-how-handle-dissent-andrew-t-walker

George Rebane

Please also see the 23jan18 update to the above post that includes my correspondence with Dr Kavanagh.

Gregory

Linda Campbell is the woman with interesting ideas who penned an incoherent blast at an Other Voices I wrote about Common Core math being a revisiting of the '90's whole math disaster.

Trustee Campbell (she's on the board of the NUJHSD) seat should be coming up for election this year.

Bill Tozer

1). Good catch and exchange of clarity with Dr. Kavanagh, Dr. Rebane.

2). Linda Campbell wrote in response to Dr. Rebane:

Oh, here's a piece of data based on expert reports, not newspapers, California has a 80 per cent graduation rate despite being 41 in the nation in(9000) per pupil spending. But Good News Ca is number One in per prison inmate, 65,000.00 per year. Those are real deal numbers. In my opinion, one can tell ones or a society's priorities by where they put their money and time towards and as such I think as a taxpayer and a citizen, that stinks..

Hmmm. Well, if CA is the most populous state in the USA, then it stands to reason that CA would have largest prison population.

“In California alone, over 2,400 illegal immigrants out of a total prison population of 130,000 are imprisoned in the state’s prison system for the crime of homicide.

The misrepresentation of comparisons in who commits crimes between illegal immigrants, legal U.S. immigrants and American citizens

The pro-illegal immigrant lobby consistently misrepresents the criminal involvement of illegal immigrants as compared to immigrants who legally enter the U.S. and American citizens, saying that illegal immigrants commit less crimes than their counterparts. This assertion is false in most cases. Here are the vetted statistics:

In California, there are just over 92 illegal immigrants imprisoned for every 100,000 illegals as compared to 74 citizens and legal non-citizen immigrants. In Arizona, the rate is nearly 69 illegals imprisoned for every 100,000, as compared to 54 citizens and legal non-citizen immigrants.

Hardly any Californian’s know that in 2014, Gov. Brown signed a bill that amended a state statute amending the maximum sentencing for misdemeanor crimes by one day from 365 to 364 days in jail. This was deliberately done to avoid current federal laws that provide for the deportation of illegal and legal immigrants in this country who have received sentences of 365 days or more.”

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/crime/329589-the-truth-about-crime-illegal-immigrants-and-sanctuary-cities

Yo Linda. We can do something about CA’s inmate population. Just have the wardens make some calls to ICE....or plug some holes in the dike. But a critical thinker would know that.


Todd Juvinall

Linda Campbell was the screamer at a LaMalfa townhall I attended. She is unhinged. And she was censored by the Board she is on. I attended that meeting too and she failed to show up.

Gregory

Todd... she was Censured by her fellow trustees, not censored.

I suspect there's nothing wrong with her that 20 more IQ points and a good education wouldn't fix.

Bill Tozer

11:21 am. They do display a lack of displine and self restraint. I can relate. Replay; “I have self control and will power, but I refuse to be a slave to them.”

Really, they get so impatient. We were promised border security in exchange for amnesty since 87, big big promise in 90-91 , and maybe 97? and 2003 or 2007.........well, we have shown great patience, albeit it has done run out. The Enlightened Ones always grabbed the amnesty, ran away, and shut the whole sheebang down. Lucy holding the football. And now they say they have trust issues with us? ROFLMAO. Sweet.

Did get a kick out of that person’s Make America White Again, you limp dicks that frequent Dr. Rebane’s blog and she will shed nary a tear when we die off.....which cannot come none to soon for her. Opps, did I just assume her gender? Me so Deplorable.

Anyway, it was our own Dr. Rebane that was the real villain, not us on the sidelines. It was a great frontal assault on the good Doc. And Doc is a Doc, not someone boasting about a Masters. Probably a Masters in ed, judging by the structure and copy and paste. Oh Bobby. Did you help?

Boy, she does not appear to have much fondness for our humble webmaster. Bet Dr. Rebane keeps his Grand Dragon hood in a special closet in the man cave. :)

Boasting time. She mentioned me, but not some others. I be moving on up to Irreddemable status. Sweet. Too hip, gotta go.

Scenes

re: GeorgeR @ 9:53

lol. Wow, I like the screeds by the crazy chick. Honestly, I don't demand that K-12 teachers be noted scholars, but you do have to wonder about the standards sometimes. Didn't she apologize for some sort of fishwife letter to the local Tea Party folks (I assume they still exist), that might be fun to read.

My bet, a kind of line in the sand. You could stuff 1000 pictures of these whacky politically driven people through an appropriate AI, and it could pick them out with high accuracy thereafter. I'm seriously starting to think there's a form of biological determinism at work here.

Scenes

re: BillT@11:52AM

"Boasting time. She mentioned me, but not some others."

I see that, damn you. No doubt these humble pages are visited by the Crazy Brethren and Sistren for their fix of outrage, a kind of political pornography. It isn't like there's much point in the other local columns, not enough action, plus I have a limited ability to read about spelling mistakes and yummy restaurants.

Gotta get me one of them hats. (Slightly NSFW).

https://i.redd.it/hivsooz8dpb01.jpg

George Rebane

We have also previously encountered Ms Campbell in these pages. She is a long-established known quantity.
http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2015/07/ruminations-10jul15.html

Bill Tozer

Truth Decay or Tooth Decay?
“There is nothing so predictable as media spin in favor of Republicans.” —MSNBC’s Joy Reid

Scenes

Honestly, I think that the Campbellbot is brilliant. When I read...

" the sheer willfull arrogance of either ignorance or pure entitled, of one who historically, relying on rumour and heresy or just pure gossip, has been one of the main attack dogs of our local band of rhe White Wing Extremist Republicans, who viciously through slander and libel (thanks Union) defame anyone who stands up to thier campaign of hate, bigotry, and white skin entiitlement, and points out the reality of the real misson of these True Believer etc. etc. etc."

...I can hear the voice of Yosemite Sam. Pure poetry.

George Rebane

BillT 227am - Nothing confirms the two-universe theory (also presented in these pages) and the overwhelmingly leftwing outlook of the lamestream media as do such statements from MSNBC, arguably the loudest and most listened to socialist trumpet in the land.

Bill Tozer

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https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/983894008427488/?type=3&theater

Bill Tozer

Nationalism trumps democratism.. Truth is discussed at the end of this column.

President Emmanuel Macron said Sunday that if the French had voted at the time Britain did, for Brexit, France, too, might have voted to get out of the European Union.

Why? One reason, and, no, it’s not the economy, stupid.

It is the tribe. As the English wished to remain English, and voted to regain control of their borders, so the French wish to remain who they were and are — whether ruled by a Louis XIV, Napoleon, General de Gaulle or the Fifth Republic.

In these countries, the common denominator is that the nation comes first, and that political system is best which best protects and preserves the unique character of the nation.

“The best test of truth,” said Oliver Wendell Holmes, “is the power of the thought to get itself accepted in the competition of the market.”

But in our world, more and more people believe, and rightly so, that truth exists independent of whether people accept or reject it.
http://buchanan.org/blog/is-democracy-on-the-way-down-128573


Bill Tozer

“In a warming world where climate change knows no borders, climate justice is immigrant justice. We stand with DREAMers.” —350.org

“[The Founders] wrote a Constitution that would have checks and balances on a tyrannical president. They never, ever let their imaginations be darkened by the possibility of a compliant Congress in the face of a tyrannical president. But that appears to be exactly what we have in 2018.” —Joe Scarborough

“There has never been a more single-minded politician than Paul Ryan. He cares only about eviscerating the social safety net, repealing the 20th century, all of the New Deal, the Great Society. He wants that gone. … He is pathetic.” —Joy Reid

“[Republicans are] the North Korean army marching behind the Dear Leader.” —Joy Reid

Bill Tozer

Re Update: L. Camp Bell on Make America White Again.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/01/29/democrat-hits-pelosi-over-make-america-white-again-comment.html

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