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19 February 2018

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fish

Posted by: Gregory | 22 February 2018 at 09:53 AM


A waste of breath Gregory......Punchy doesn't even know to whom he is trying to respond!

Bill Tozer

“Thanks for answering my question Walt. Just confirming that you believe 8 year olds should be able to buy rifles similar to the one used in Florida.”

I have no problem reading. Depends on the eight year, I reckon.

Bill Tozer

Noticed the FBI as well as the school bullies who taunted and ridiculed Cruz get a pass.

Bill Tozer

Now they are ripping into guns and Cruz gets a pass. So predictable.

Walt

Dad took me to Alpha Hardware when I was 8 so I could buy my first BB gun. And no background checks!
I didn't kill anyone, or shoot the barn cats.

Paul Emery

Gregory. You're just trying to avoid taking a public stand on this issue. I corrected my self on the use of "automatic" Thanks for informing me.

What does "assault rifles similar to the one used in Florida" mean to you? That rifle is commonly referred to as an assault rifle. Example


"The White House said on Tuesday setting an age limit for buying AR-15-type assault rifles, the type purchased legally by a teenager who shot dead 17 people at a Florida high school last week, was under consideration. "

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-guns-white-house/age-limit-for-buying-ar-15-assault-rifle-on-the-table-white-house-idUSKCN1G42SR

the AR 15 is commonly referred to as an assault rivle. Just google AR 15 Here's a link for your convenience

https://www.google.com/search?q=ar+15+assault+rifle&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-1

George Rebane

Regarding 'gun violence' - can any progressive tell us their version of the culture change over the last 50 years, during which we transformed from an equally-armed yet non-violent citizenry to the one today that weekly kills/wounds minorities by the thousands, and makes possible the all too frequent massacres? I have asked this question over the years with every revival of the gun confiscation debate (most recently in my 511pm above), and the only reliable response I have gotten is crickets, and a change of subject such as PaulE's recent interest about the age at which certain kinds of firearms could be bought, as if that had any bearing on any solution.

The cultural change focus of my commentary continues to be fiercely ignored by our collectivists. I explain their sound of silence because the thinkers among them know that gun violence is a byproduct of the culture they have successfully implanted in our nation. Bottom line is that leftist cultures have never supported an armed population, for such a population would be impossible to govern since its first motivation would be to overturn collectivism after having an opportunity to sample its fruits. This demonstrates that collectivism offers no system of governance that is based and rests on the consent of the governed - this is the dirty secret that our union public schools have successfully denied their students for two generations. (Recent products of that system are now marching, emoting, and demonstrating across the land.)

Once more, what say you on the culture question?

fish

You OK Punch......? Should we have somebody drop by for a welfare check?

Walt

Denying your memory problems Paul?
You need evaluating. You corrected nothing. You just denied saying it.

Gregory

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle

fish

From Gregorys wiki link for the link following impaired.....


"Semi-automatic-only rifles like the Colt AR-15 are not assault rifles; they do not have select-fire capabilities".



Of course there's no need to let technical and legal accuracy get in the way of the overwrought marketing messaging!

Don Bessee

Since when have facts mattered to the po' ol' putin party parrot?? ;-)

Paul Emery

Let me simplify things for Gregory and Fish. Walt is hopeless.

Trump has called for raising the age for purchasing AR 15 rifles. Do you support this position?

Trumps Tweet

"I will be strongly pushing Comprehensive Background Checks with an emphasis on Mental Health. Raise age to 21 and end sale of Bump Stocks! Congress is in a mood to finally do something on this issue - I hope!"

fish

Posted by: George Rebane | 22 February 2018 at 10:09 AM

Once more, what say you on the culture question?


There is no more unique American culture! We have (and are developing still more) cultural Balkanization with an administrative state trying to hold things together just a bit longer!

fish

Posted by: Paul Emery | 22 February 2018 at 10:27 AM


Trump has called for raising the age for purchasing AR 15 rifles. Do you support this position?


Do you support this position?

Walt

I love how Paul is all for restricting something just based on age alone. Yet won't utter a peep when his own age begs for mandatory restrictions.(DMV already has age related regs on the books)
The geezer that drove into the drug store yesterday was about Paul's age.

Walt

LOL! ,, Paul, "hopeless"? That's what a Proggy with no defense to stand on says. You lack simple common sense. That leaves with age. And faster with those with the recessive Lib. Gene....

Walt

BTW,, Paul,,, Trump wants to end your pet "gun free zone" crap.( Gun free, means shoot here first)
You support that Paul? Agree with Trump for a change?
Armed personnel are everywhere else a shooting might happen. Like the welfare office.

Paul Emery

Yes I do Fish. What is your view,


Do you support Trumps position Walt? Yes of no.

fish

Posted by: Paul Emery | 22 February 2018 at 10:43 AM


Yes I do Fish. What is your view


Actually I support it....and would have been happy to volunteer that without the usual circus antics that goes on here to a less disingenuous interlocutor.

Paul Emery

Well we agree on something. that's a start. My view is that if the shooter had to go through the process of obtaining a rifle through black market means he just might have changed his mind. No guarantee though but it might have saved those lives if the age was 21 to buy an AR 15. Raising the age might help prevent some future shootings.

What is your view on this George?

Gregory

Paul... there is no "AR 15" rifle.

George Rebane

PaulE 1053am - My view is that you and yours should address the point of this commentary and answer my 1009am.

Paul Emery

Gregory

What does this mean to you? Do you support raising the age to 21 to possess this rifle

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_AR-15

Paul Emery

Different question George that does deserve a thoughtful answer. My question is do you support Trumps idea of raising the age to 21 for possessin of rifles similar to the one used in Florida.

Gregory

Now it's possession you're talking about, Paul.

How long of a possession? Can I hand such a rifle to a person for a short time to look at it? Or fire it?

If I own such a rifle, can I give it to a close relative to use for an indeterminate time despite them being under 21?

Are you using Colt AR-15 as shorthand for any semiautomatic centerfire rifle with a detachable magazine?

Paul Emery

George

I disagree with a basic premise of your question and that is:

"The cultural change focus of my commentary continues to be fiercely ignored by our collectivists. I explain their sound of silence because the thinkers among them know that gun violence is a byproduct of the culture they have successfully implanted in our nation."

My answer to your question is that I cannon answer it without examining the basis for your opinion that led to the question.

If you wish to categorize me as a "leftist" which is not true then I have to say that I accept the 2nd
Amendment but it has limits that should include allowing the mentally infirm and under 21's from purchasing certain weapons.

Also your romantic notion that an armed citizenry can be a deterrent against totalitarian takeover is a joke with a good example as to how the American right rolled over when the Patriot Act was passed severely restricting the privilege of privacy from intrusion by government agencies.

Walt

The 1ST Amend. needs an overhaul.
The "press" has abused their right.
Since Paul is fine with restricting rights under he 2ND,, the 1ST, needs some to match.. Right Paul? Skewing the facts to fit ones political agenda should be criminal.
Any other things in the Bill of Rights you care to crap on as well?

Bill Tozer

Dr. Rebane @ 10:09 am.

Nobody answers the cultural question, “What changed?” What happened to our culture? My short answer is the devaluation of life. You can parlay that into a myriad of tell-tell signs and festering boils.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P89CBU8E6jU

Read last year than a couple in some place in the Mid-West were charged with child endangerment because they let their kid walk to school. Police and CPS were involved. We all walked to school growing up, with the exception of one who two kindergarten kids who got teased for having Mama hold their hands.....and, yes, we caught rides on days were it was raining cats and dogs. What happened? What changed?

Followed with interest the stories of kids in inner cities who were endangered walking to school. The parents got in an uproar for their children’s safety and volunteers were posted on one side of the street in gang hoods and formed a safe passage route for children to walk safely to school. They called it the “tunnel” through the hood between the children’s home and the school.

My point is simple. You can ban every rifle in America and our schools are still soft targets. Why? Because our culture has changed, our culture is a shithole. Schools remain soft targets. Not every teacher needs to pack, just like not every parent can or needs to line up on the streets for children’s safe passage through enemy turf. It just takes a few. Schools are the same. Just takes a few on the scene, closest to the stink.

Nichalos Cruz was in and out in 3 minutes. LE arrived in 5 minutes. Time to harden up these soft targets solely because our culture changed. Seconds, not minutes, count. Cruz would have done the same carnage against defenseless folks using any semi-auto hand gun with clips or a revolver with speed loaders.
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What really gives me nightmares lately is the latest fad in Europe of people randomly throwing acid in faces of young pretty innocent girls. Repulsive and reprehensible. Now I see that fad has come to our shores. What happened? What changed?

fish

Posted by: Paul Emery | 22 February 2018 at 11:26 AM


Also your romantic notion that an armed citizenry can be a deterrent against totalitarian takeover is a joke with a good example as to how the American right rolled over when the Patriot Act was passed severely restricting the privilege of privacy from intrusion by government agencies.


You are embarrassingly ignorant about just how concerned the federal government is about individuals with guns impeding them when they want to perpetrate some injustice!

One wonders why the US Army systematically disarmed Iraqi civilians after the war started. I mean we have tanks and attack helicopters and all that hardware that allows Michael P. Wanna to achieve non-Viagra aided erections! Why was it deemed so crucial to remove small arms from the civilian populace?

Walt

Bill.. The LIB answer to the stated acid attacks,, "well,, no one was killed".

George Rebane

PaulE 1126am – First, it is clear that you have completely missed the half of the country that is firmly focused on the culture question – which blinders you share with the country’s leftists, so it is not a reach to assign you to that part of the political spectrum, especially when augmented with the years-long record of the issue-responsive comments you have left on these pages. The culture question today is a firmly fixed premise (e.g. see Ramirez’s cartoon) that you choose to ignore through your abject dismissal. In that light, I will continue to put you in the column of leftists who wish to remain silent on the subject.

As to the “romantic notion” of par force, you miss the boat completely on the grounds of history, current events, and simple logic. All of the anti-gunners’ arguments against par force rest on the red herring of the futile resistance of a small group with small arms fighting a massed combined arms assault by the federal government’s military establishment. Such a response only attests to either lack of reading skills or the ability to reason with evidence (see also Mr fish’s 1141am). Every government that has confiscated guns and made them illegal has always had such overwhelming force to quash your ridiculous scenario of isolated and contained (silenced) micro-resistance. But repressive governments all know that the if news of one such act of ongoing resistance spreads among an aggrieved AND armed populace, the government with its military and police will be overwhelmed by the sheer numbers of those who will rush to man the local barricades and take to the hills as militias and guerrilla bands. And autocratic governments know and fear that all these resisting civilians will be ‘fish swimming in a nurturing and supportive sea’ (per Chairman Mao), while the government’s units will quickly become the targets of released hatred formerly repressed.

As their debates and writings reveal, our Founders understood the seminal function of par force from both history and direct experience of the American Revolution. That is why they wrote its access into the Second Amendment as the last recourse of the people, should the remainder of their finely honed Constitution fail to restrict the powers and prerogatives of government as originally outlined in that fateful and now foundering document.

And finally, in the light of your sanguine acceptance of a perpetually benign yet bloated government, one that you claim is now impervious to the will of the citizens it is supposed to serve, you pass the final litmus test for a leftist.

Paul Emery

George

I support the 2nd Amendment but not in the same way that you do. Are you saying that the Amendment is not subject to interpretation?

Walt

Paul. Ever hear of Afghanistan? "the futile resistance of a small group with small arms fighting a massed combined arms assault by the federal government’s military establishment"
Those camel jockeys, supplied with minimal firepower
thwarted how many armies?
You believe any "redneck army" would fight with any less tenacity on our own soil?
Lets hear it.

Bill Tozer

The libs do not understand human nature. We can’t keep drugs out of elementary schools or even out of our heavily guarded and frequently searched federal prisons. Pass a law. That will keep drugs out of school.
The good news is that the NRA (completely member supported) offers good gun safety courses for its law abiding members and they voluntarily send in their membership dues, a community supported organization, if you prefer. To the Left, the NRA must bei comprised of gang bangers, drive-by shooters, and has been involved in every school massacre looking at they way they always attack the evil NRA. Although I am not an NRA member, I can clearly see that the Left’s attacks on the NRA is an attack on its membership. Oh well, nothing new under the sun.

Don Bessee

@ 1235- The SCOTUS has and it was not your way ya po' ol' putin party parrot. ;-)

Walt

How fast would LIBS be getting guns in ca "if"?
http://www.breitbart.com/california/2018/02/22/trump-im-thinking-pulling-ice-california/

Be careful of what you wish for.

Gregory

Paul, are you saying you think your interpretation is correct and Georges, and mine, are incorrect?

You ask questions but are woefully ignorant about the meaning of the words you use. Why is that? Slop is not useful in public policy debates.

How many visits by police officers about disturbing behavior should trigger a requirement to put the person into a "verified nutcase" database? Should an 18 year old who has never had police visit even once (let alone 39 times) and is an Eagle Scout, straight A student be allowed to purchase a gun that looks like the gun he'd be forced to shoot were he drafted?


Walt

Hay Paul.
http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2018/02/21/church-ar-15-blessing-ceremony/

The pushback begins.

Walt

Since Paul WON'T read the link,,
" A church in Pennsylvania has thrown itself into the nationwide debate on gun laws by announcing they will be hosting a blessing ceremony for couples with an AR-15 assault rifle.

The controversial event is set to take place just two weeks after 17 people were killed in a Florida high school by a gunman using the same weapon.

The World Peace and Unification Sanctuary in Newfoundland, Pennsylvania, an offshoot of the Unification Church, is inviting couples to bring their semi-automatic rifles to the church on Feb. 28 to “show their willingness to defend their families, communities and nation.” "

Paul Emery

I am saying exactly that Gregory

We may not agree but can we agree that we can have our own interpretations?

fish

Posted by: Paul Emery | 22 February 2018 at 12:35 PM

I support the 2nd Amendment but not in the same way that you do. Are you saying that the Amendment is not subject to interpretation?


What a coincidence......I support the Voting Rights Act......but not in the same way you do! I mean it’s fine and all just so long as women and blacks don’t vote!

Honestly do you give an iota of thought to the things you post?

Walt

OHhhh This is a good one I found. Sure with I thought of it.
"Blaming a gun in a shooting is like blaming the manufacturer of Hypodermic needle in a drug overdose death"

George Rebane

PaulE 1235pm - Of course the 2nd Amend is subject to interpretation; look at all the ineffective and unenforced gun laws across the land, all the handiwork of you and yours. The current effort, as so many of us have pointed out, is to interpret the 2nd Amendment out of existence. I'm not sure why you asked such a tautological question, was it supposed to be a gotcha? (see also Gregory's 1248pm)

fish

Just what is this “interpretation” to which you refer?

Paul Emery

George

The second Amendment says simply:

"The Second Amendment says that “a well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

What is your interpretation of "a well regulated militia" ?


fish

Posted by: Paul Emery | 22 February 2018 at 01:22 PM

George’s interpretation isn’t at issue now.....you brought up your “interpretation” ....if you would be so kind as to enlighten us!

Bill Tozer

Continuing on the subject of what happened, what changed. Yep, another andedotal story.

Once read a great in-dept article on India. Wasn’t about Gandhi or the Islamic who plugged him. No, it was about something that happened in the last 20-30 years. A riot broke out and the usual destruction and mayhem ensued . The local authorities placed one person in uniform on the steps in from of the government building to protect the building from the rioters. Unarmed, a solitary man stood alone. The riots and burning and destruction of property happened everywhere around the guard and before his eyes, but not a thing happened to the unarmed guard or the building.
Why? Because, as the article explained, the people respected the uniform, the symbol of authority. They respected what he stood for, even with tempers and emotions out of control in mob mentality.

What happened to the unarmed Bobbies in merry ole England? Once had a immigrant neighbor here who was a policeman in his native Costa Rica. He carried no firearm. But, he carried a screwdriver. If he found a parking violation or such, he would take out his screw driver and remove the license plates. If you wanted your plates back, you had to go to the police station to pay the fine or spend some time in the jail for the violation to get your license plates back. Nobody dared drive without plates. What happened?

Walt

OK Paul,, have a beef with this?
http://www.cal-militia.com/
We all know how LIBS feel about them.
Are you fearful that they are not behold'n to State or FED control?

Gregory

Paul, you first. What is your interpretation of "a well regulated militia" ?

If you've not read this, it was cited in one SCOTUS majority opinion and a discussion about the issue will require being familiar with it:
http://www2.law.ucla.edu/volokh/common.htm

Walt

"With the exception of certain public officials, all able-bodied men and women over the age of 18 and not currently serving in the regular armed forces, and any former member of the regular armed forces, are by law already members of the "unorganized" militia. Laws requiring militia participation are no longer enforced. With very few restrictions, membership in the militia must be open to all citizens regardless of race, sex, religion or political affiliation. Units not open to public membership and/or which are organized for any purpose other than the support of Constitutional principals may be considered private armies and are not to be confused with the Constitutional "unorganized" militia."

Bill Tozer

The 2nd Amendment explained in one minute, eleven seconds.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Hx23c84obwQ

fish

Owww......there’s another blot on CNNs otherwise sterling reputation!


CNN FAILED TO DISCLOSE THAT JAKE TAPPER WAS A FORMER HANDGUN CONTROL, INC. SPOKESMAN DURING LAST NIGHT’S PARKLAND SCHOOL SHOOTING TOWN HALL.



http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/02/former-handgun-control-inc-spokesman-jake-tapper-hosts-cnn-parkland-school-shooting-town-hall/

Walt

And Paul was hoping militias were a thing of the past. Nice hope...

Don Bessee

The po' ol' fakenewsman @122- What you want to interpret is irrelevant, its the legal interpretation that matters and SCOTUS has spoken. You don't get to play semantical games when there is an official interpretation that must be used by every court in the land. ;-)

Scenes

re: Gregory@1:32PM

lol. I swear to God that PaulE thinks these are novel arguments to make.

First the "SO YOU THINK YOU GET TO OWN AN ATOM BOMB?" followed by the "SO WHAT'S A MILITIA?". Fodder for the internet online gun arguments since USENET.

The funniest thing is that you can solidly win the argument, and still people will go out and start all over on this in a month or two.

For all I know there's a genetic angle to this. Take a cheek scraping, and you can tell whether someone believes in law as some combination of statute and history...or should be just whatever in the heck they are feeling like that day. Some federal courts appear to act under this latter model.

Gregory

Don't cite gatewaypundit when a stellar left leaning tower has the same quote:

"Gun-control organizations labeled the speech [Charlton Heston] as that of an extremist and said it would hurt the gun lobby's cause.

''His interpretation of the Second Amendment is unique to him and his organization,'' said Jake Tapper, a spokesman for Handgun Control Inc., ''and has never been upheld in court.''
http://www.nytimes.com/1997/09/12/us/heston-asserts-gun-ownership-is-nation-s-highest-right.html

Yes, Jake Tapper, sitting as a "journalist", was a paid spokescritter for Handgun Control, Inc, reported 21 years ago in the NY Times.

Gregory

Don't cite gatewaypundit when a stellar left leaning tower has the same quote:

"Gun-control organizations labeled the speech [Charlton Heston] as that of an extremist and said it would hurt the gun lobby's cause.

''His interpretation of the Second Amendment is unique to him and his organization,'' said Jake Tapper, a spokesman for Handgun Control Inc., ''and has never been upheld in court.''
http://www.nytimes.com/1997/09/12/us/heston-asserts-gun-ownership-is-nation-s-highest-right.html

Yes, Jake Tapper, sitting as a "journalist", was a paid spokescritter for Handgun Control, Inc, reported 21 years ago in the NY Times.

Gregory

Sorry about the select fire keyboard I've got; it's dirty. I guess the keyboard needs to be pulled and soaked in Hoppe's #9.

Walt

It's OK.. I'm sure you have a permit.

Scenes

re: Fish@1:39PM and Handgun Control Inc.

Brady Campaign?

To be fair, that's a pretty small organization. I expect that it's main purpose, like most smaller non-'profits', is to pay the employees.

My best guess is that any real money here is from organizations like ShariaBlue. It's a slow motion coup d'etat using any means necessary.

One funny side effect of the ongoing civil war is that we have the most highly vetted administration in US history. Who'da thunk? Just imagine the same amount of oppositions research applied to the Johnson administration.

Bill Tozer

Various interpretations is why we have courts. The CO State Court ruled against the baker who would not create a special cake for a gay couple. The 1st Amendment right of expression that was required in creating a special cake (not one sitting in the glass case for any member of the public could buy) was rejected.

The CA State Court had a similar case quite recently with the same arguments before the court. The CA judge ruled in favor of the cake maker, accepting the 1st Amendment agrument that creating or not creating a special cake was indeed a form of expression protected under the 1st Amendment.

Now the case is headed to SCOTUS. SCOTUS is more likely to accept cases where one judge rules one way and another judge rules another.
Interesting side note is that our founders did not believe that SCOTUS was the final say in the matter. Forget exactly which writer I read (Madison?) which laid out the consensus view that the final say rested with “we the people.”

Carry on.

fish

Posted by: Scenes | 22 February 2018 at 02:01 PM


Yeah my offering was filched from Instapundit.....the Brady Campaign vs HCI angle wasn’t really my interest! Just enjoying watching another slow motion CNN PR train wreck!

Hey.....anybody see Punch? I think he was out hammering together his interpretation of the 2nd amendment!

Don Bessee

Keep it up team lefty and the po' ol' putin party parrot in particular -

http://thefederalist.com/2018/02/22/cnns-insane-anti-gun-townhall-will-help-nra/

;-)

Gregory


Scenes 201pm

The amount Jake Tapper was paid to support the Handgun Control, Inc/Brady Center line isn't the point, it's that his current employer, CNN, is letting him direct news stories against the NRA as if he were a journalist without a documented crippling bias against the NRA.

I dropped my membership in the NRA sometime in the '80's over their refusal to mention the gun rights positions by, for example, Libertarian Party candidates who tended to put GOP candidates to shame on constitutional grounds. It pains me to say that the latest targeting of the NRA almost makes me want to send them a few bucks for a membership just as I'm fairly free of their junk mail.

Walt

Yup, Paul's little "militia" drama came back to bite. Put some ice on it Paul,
the swelling will go down soon.

Paul Emery

Glad you support the Courts Don and that you support Roe v Wade that allows abortions. See we can agree on something.

Walt

See Paul? I'm already a member of the state militia.( by statute) So are a few others here.
Scared yet?

Walt

I' apologize for the off topic. But blame it on Paul. He forced the issue.
http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/22/new-york-american-taliban-forbes/
"New York’s attorney general oversaw and facilitated secret surveillance on pro-life counselors outside an abortion clinic as well as the creation of a fake identity in an attempt to win an ongoing case, according to a witness’s testimony."
“I’m appalled at the Attorney General’s lack of respect for the First Amendment and his offices’ encouragement and use of fraudulent means to obtain information so that he can persecute peaceful pro-life citizens who have become the voice of the voiceless,” TMLC president Richard Thompson said.

LIBS don't give a shit about "rights".

Gregory

Emery?
Emery?
Emery?
Emery?

Do let us know when you've plowed through the Eugene Volokh piece, The Commonplace 2nd Amendment, and are ready to join in a reasoned discussion in answer to your question.
www2.law.ucla.edu/volokh/common.htm

fish

Do we get to hear your 2nd amendment interpretation at any point in the discussion?

Bill Tozer

Scenes and like minded. My take:

The Democrats have been bankrupt lately in the realm of ideas. They just react, saying if the tax bill passes, we all are going to die. I haven’t died yet, but back to the point. No ideas, no proposals, anything and everything is just a big fat No to Trump. Resist everything. That’s their whole ball of wax, and if you disagree you are a racist Nazi...As if there are any other kinds of Nazis.

The Russian Collusion has vanished like a morning mist being burned off by the sun. They put all their eggs in that basket and much political capital. Sitting on their duffs during the SOTUA backfired as it was a good speech. Refusing to stand for those who lost their children due to murder by illegal aliens showed how bankrupt the Lefties are. The tax cuts have gone from unpopular to popular. The economy has shown more than just a few of Obama’s “green sprouts”. Trump as of yesterday has higher favorable ratings than Obama had on comparable dates. The majority of the American people want the government to get a handle on chaotic illegal immigration and have a good orderly immigration policy put in place. Things are not looking up for the Democrat Party, which is suffering from everything from financial problems to far left extremists pushing the party to a place where they remain out of touch and out of the mainstream and all points in between. Their leaders have been lampooned cartoon characters . Their Politics of Identity eviscerates the indivual and assigns all individuals to mere members of a group. The antithesis of the US Constitution.

Remember the last time da Dems had an issue they could forge full steam ahead on? I do. It was the catered sit in on the House floor. Stop the gun violence! They were taking the bull by the horns. Finally, after all these months, they have an issue again. Hallelujah. There are going to be marches for life...er....they will have Marches for Life Without the Pro-lLifers, rallies, money pouring in, and retake the Senate, House,and Oval Office and life will be good once again.

In another weekly so when this all dies down as it always does, they will parade women in front of the cameras again whom Trump grabbed their paulsies or kissed in a lobby. That will suck up all the oxygen in the room for a ten days as the DACA deadline approaches.. Then it will be back to Russia and Meuller and obstruction of justice and that greaser Kushner and equally horrid greaser Do. Jr. or that Slovakian Slut First Lady. Then suddenly DACA, DACA, DACA, and White Supremacist tweets.

Confiscate guns? Nah, just the mob mentality running around crazier than Nicholas Cruz ever could be.

Get ready for the parade of fine looking women Trump copped a feel on their unsuspecting selves, accompanied by high priced lawyers and the complicity colluding popinjays. I must say Trump don’t grope no dogs, not coyote uglies, nor even nice but Plain Jane looking types like Bubba did.

Now back to the important stuff.
https://www.facebook.com/DCStatesman/photos/a.518173591711519.1073741828.511928619002683/800712163457659/?type=3&theater

Gregory

phish 104pm

To whom is your question posed?

Scenes

I take everyones' point on Brady/Handgun Control, although it's amusing to think of any modern journalist as being a 'journalist'. At this point, they've mostly been flushed out. It was a scam from the get-go.

re: BillT@3:09PM

"That’s their whole ball of wax, and if you disagree you are a racist Nazi...As if there are any other kinds of Nazis."

The amusing thing about the 'Resistance' is that they began by resisting something that was mostly in their minds. But...but...I'd say that they are on their way to creating the opposition that they feared. Not a 'Nazi', that's a thing that erupted in a particular place and time, but something else that they aren't going to like. A more muscular Right if you like. The world runs on unintended consequences after all.

Paul Emery

You;re stuttering Gregory Pause and take a breath

Paul Emery

well Fish we do agree on some things like raising the age for purchasing certain firearms as proposed by Trump.. That's a start.

Gregory

"You;re", Paul?

C'mon, Paul, you were trying to get "well regulated militia" to be judged out of context. I have you a document that put it into context.

Have you read it and can you discuss the issue... or are you just going to throw wild punches?

fish

Posted by: Gregory | 22 February 2018 at 03:18 PM

To whom is your question posed?


The eminent legal scholar Mr. Emery.


Posted by: Paul Emery | 22 February 2018 at 03:24 PM

well Fish we do agree on some things like raising the age for purchasing certain firearms as proposed by Trump.. That's a start.


So upthread you really had nothing....no interpretation of any kind except for the vague Rainbow Skittle Shitting Unicorn hope that this would never happen again?


Walt

Our cops need more range time.
https://www.theunion.com/trending/breaking-nevada-county-deputies-involved-in-shooting-burglary-suspect-in-custody-sheriff-says/

The vermin is still breathing, and now we have to pay his medical costs.

Bill Tozer

Gregory @ 2:23 pm

I sent the NRA some bucks, but told them I was not interested in membership, foolishly thinking I would not receive junk mail. I thunk wrong. Finally, I got on their site and I unenrolled myself from their mailing list. I don’t like junk mail, but I do support the 2nd Amendment. That was during the Obama weaponizing the IRS years. After communicating with Tea Party organizers in several states far from here and having them tell me that everyone on their lists were getting audited, I figured it might be a smart move to remove myself from any pro-Constitution sites, including the NRA. Big Bro was getting rather nasty under Obama, tapping journalists and even Di-Wi’s phone cause she was on the Senate Intelligence Committee.

Yep, I might send them a few bucks more and have the junk mail sent to a P.O. box in a place and time far away. Or send a money order with no return address. :)

One thing we know for sure is that the Popinjay and his brethren have not come up with one idea that will protect our children inside a school.

Bill Tozer

NRA: the media loves mass shootings. If it bleeds, it leads.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=cpG07bEkvBk

https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/1004295036387385/?type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/1004305086386380/?type=3&theater

Bill Tozer

One more for the road.

https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/1263256153808419/?type=3&theater

Desperate times call for sensible measures. Focus on the killer, not the weapon.

Zeldin argued, “From the vicious machete attack of four young men in Central Islip, to the childhood best friends brutally murdered by MS-13 in Brentwood, our community has witnessed the indiscriminate brutality of gang violence firsthand.”

In February, United States Center for Immigration Services (USCIS) Director Lee Francis Cissna explained to President Donald Trump how current immigration laws prevent the agency from deporting foreign-born MS-13 gang members.

Cissna explained to President Trump:

…There are no grounds in the law right now that permit us to deport a gang member merely because he’s a gang member. We have to wait until they’ve actually killed somebody or harmed an American. Then we have a reason to deport them; then we can get them. Or if they’re here unlawfully, okay. But if they’re here lawfully, and they’re a gang member, there’s no ground of removal, really.

Zeldin argued, “From the vicious machete attack of four young men in Central Islip, to the childhood best friends brutally murdered by MS-13 in Brentwood, our community has witnessed the indiscriminate brutality of gang violence firsthand.”

In February, United States Center for Immigration Services (USCIS) Director Lee Francis Cissna explained to President Donald Trump how current immigration laws prevent the agency from deporting foreign-born MS-13 gang members.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/02/21/rep-lee-zeldin-introduces-bill-to-strip-immigrant-gang-members-citizenship/


Walt

The other shoe drops.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/02/22/sheriffs-deputy-resigns-to-avoid-suspension-after-failing-to-engage-florida-school-gunman/

Gregory

Geeze louise

http://abc13.com/sheriff-school-resource-deputy-never-went-in-to-confront-shooter/3125942/

this is the @AP twit feed:
https://twitter.com/AP/status/966802599268798465?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Yes, it does appear the guy paid to be the good guy with the gun decided to ignore the screams. He instead decided to resign and take his retirement checks... I wonder where he'll be moving so he doesn't get spat upon by former friends and neighbors?

For everyone who thinks the police are there to protect and to serve... think again. Not all of them do.

Don Bessee

To be fair Gregory, not all school resource officers are equivalent to cops on the beat. That he could play the retirement card says he was an old dude who may have never pulled his gun. Sad, somehow I think he will be forever burdened with the guilty what if..... and I wouldn't be surprised if we later hear about a suicide. ;-)

Paul Emery

So Gregory, Fish what does "well regulated militia" mean as compared to an "unregulated" militia which would be unconstitutional? I need some help here,

Walt

First the FBI drops the ball in an epic way, then this guy leaves them to their doom.
And we are to rely on others to keep us safe?(and not by choice)
How many other places have Barney Fife Security LLC?

Walt

I gave you that info Paul. Read it.

Don Bessee

I need some help here @ 634. Clearly he misses the irony of no more truer words he has written. ;-)

Paul Emery

Walt, Don, Fish, Gregory

didn't see a definition or "regulated militia as opposed to unregulated militia. Would the Black Panthers be co considered a regulated Militia for example. Does that mean we can have private armies or are Militias meant to be State Militias. I need some help understanding this. thanks in advance.

Perhaps George can chime in on this important understanding of our Constitution.

Paul Emery

sp.....of Regulated Militias

Don Bessee

What a maroon! Please see @707, rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat. ;-)

Paul Emery

Thanks Don I did

Do the Black Panthers qualify as a militia under the 2nd amendment? Let me know.

Walt

Try domestic terrorists Paul.
But only you could make that leap.

Paul Emery

The Panthers were protecting their neighborhoods Walt.

"The Panthers' basic ideology was one of armed protection against police oppression: “The key plank of the Panther platform, the one which would shape its history and predetermine its course, was a non-negotiable demand for the immediate end of police harassment and brutality in the black community…indeed, their very name proclaimed a dedication to the concept of armed self-defense.”

Scenes

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/twitter-users-mock-usa-today-for-chainsaw-bayonet-tweet/article/2640094

Paul Emery

George, you write:

"But repressive governments all know that the if news of one such act of ongoing resistance spreads among an aggrieved AND armed populace, the government with its military and police will be overwhelmed by the sheer numbers of those who will rush to man the local barricades and take to the hills as militias and guerrilla bands. And autocratic governments know and fear that all these resisting civilians will be ‘fish swimming in a nurturing and supportive sea’ (per Chairman Mao), while the government’s units will quickly become the targets of released hatred formerly repressed."

Isn't this what the Black Panthers were attempting to do and was that not in the spirit of the 2nd Amendment you praise?

http://xroads.virginia.edu/~ug01/barillari/pantherchap1.html

fish

Oh yeah....protecting the neighborhood!

Seale is now apparently ungagging himself about the Panther past. In a recent speech at a Panther reunion, he confessed that the Panthers were little more than extortionists, gangsters and murderers and that they killed Betty Van Patter -- whose murder remains unsolved till this day.

Oh Punchy.....in addition to everything else you fell for ”Radical Chic” too?


https://www.google.com/amp/s/b.marfeel.com/amp/historynewsnetwork.org/article/695

You can also read David Horowitz about his time with the Panthers!

Don Bessee

Has the po' ol' fakenewsman abandoned his superhero alternate guise as a ptuin party parrot to wear the cloak of BLM? ;-)

Paul Emery

Huh Don??? Don't have a clue of what you. Are you referring to the Bureau of Land Management if not what?

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