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23 February 2018

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Todd Juvinall

Trump reiterated his position on having guns in the schools this morning at CPAC. He is a common sense man. He had disgust in his voice for the deputy that hid and did not engage the shooter. Abd today is the first I heard there was someone there.

Paul Emery, Rasmussen is the most accurate poll and how they do their breakdowns are far superior to others. I will stand by them. You can have your wet dreams with the others.

jon smith

The officer was afraid to match his handgun to an AR. Cowardly, considering his training and duty, yes. Stupid, no.

George Rebane

I note that the liberal blogs and commentators continue to have nothing material to offer in the 'gun violence' debate beyond the anecdotal emotings of shocked teenagers, parents, medical staffs, and progressive activists doing their best not to 'waste' yet another tragedy. To most of us the aims of the latter are more than obvious, and are definitely not intended to stop school massacres while an American citizen is still allowed to legally own and use a firearm.

Bill Tozer

Yes. Finally, real solutions. Tangible solutions to school shootings. Thank you Dr. Rebane.

I believe it is not unreasonable to have an armed guard outside of the school as well as a select few teachers or administrations that are most comfortable and proficient in the proper use and handling of a concealed firearm.

First, the armed guard (be it LE, private security, school staff/approved volunteers) outside the building(s), hopefully with video cameras in conjection being watched on monitors by staff inside the school in real time. If the eyes on the outside see a threat approaching, then the school can go into an immediate lock down and keep the threat outside of the classroom building.

Second, if the shooter makes it inside the building or the shooter student starts firing inside, then the selected teachers, coaches, or even school nurse with a CCW can spring into action and neutralize the threat, hopefully with a minimal loss of life to the children and teachers. A CCW school employee inside has the advantage of hearing where the gun shots are coming from move to that part of the building or other buildings on the school grounds. He/she can also yell out to the teachers where the shoots are coming from and yell out evacuate out the back or stay put.
Another advantage of having an armed response inside the school is the trouble LE has when school children are being told to vacate the building, as in the case of a fire alarm being pulled. LE has to enter the building as hundreds of students are fleeing coming out. LE has to get by the school children coming out asthey is trying to get in, thus a hindrance to getting to the shooter.

Sure, the Matrix is not perfect and the game plan may get tossed out the window when improvision becomes necessary, but it is the most practical and doable solution to a very horrid problem I have seen proposed.

Bill Tozer

***Reposted my comment on the gun confiscation thread to this post which is more on topic than yapping about Black Panthers and unregulated militias. :). Legal guns in schools:

Well, the Left still has not proposed one idea that will make school children safer in our schools. Hardening the gun free zones of schools is a solution.

We want Capital Hill protected. We want our courtrooms protected. We want our Presidents protected, as well as large ventures protected, be they indoor or outside gatherings, be they sporting events, music events, or street demonstrations.

What does an average Joe Q. Public think when he hears that some speaker or courtroom is protected? I may not be average, but what I think of is armed security with or without video survillance with a real human watching in live time. Protect with armed personnel. Then why can’t we protect schools in the same manner?

What’s with this mental conspiation when applying the same common sense measures we apply and expect when going to the courthouse to pay a fine but not applying or expecting to our nation’s classrooms?

How many of us walked our of a courthouse or concert or professional sporting event and said to our acquaintances, “There were just too many guns protecting us.” None I would hazard to say. Average Joe does not say that. More importantly, the average Joe Q. Public does not even think that way.
The Average Joe Q. Public wants the laws on the books enforced and when the next shooting starts, they want someone firing back. They understand the terms “soft targets” and “protect our children.”

The path of least resistance.
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Posted by: Bill Tozer | 23 February 2018 at 09:53 AM


Bill Tozer

A voluntary security guard tells her story.

http://kdvr.com/2017/11/06/former-guard-who-killed-gunman-at-colorado-springs-church-reacts-to-texas-shooting/

Gregory

Seems congruent to my proposal to drop the Gun-Free School Zone enforcement (introduced by Joe Biden in 1990) unless the zone is hardened with metal detectors, guards, etc. No more pretend gun-free zones. If it's to be a gun-free zone, there had better be a real effort to insure it's gun-free.

Public property that isn't hardened would be accessible to CCW holders if they also had business being there. Private property... access is up to the property owners.

Regarding the droopy Deputy... no word about his pension benefits. Will he be charged for the armed guards posted 24/7 around his home? Would he ask for a refund if they scattered if someone arrived and started shooting?


The FUE is pushing an article written by a radiologist giving testimony about the wounds the kids got and stating outright there was no reason for civilians to own an AR-15 (although the wounds would be the same by any rifle firing the same round, a .223/5.56). So again, Jeff, is your place of business a gun free zone?

fish

Posted by: Gregory | 23 February 2018 at 12:22 PM

The FUE is pushing an article written by a radiologist giving testimony about the wounds the kids got and stating outright there was no reason for civilians to own an AR-15 (although the wounds would be the same by any rifle firing the same round, a .223/5.56). So again, Jeff, is your place of business a gun free zone?


Fortunately nobody pays any attention to the FUE and our resident Green Libertarian™ has conceded the argument.


10 U.S. Code § 246 - Militia: composition and classes

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

(b) The classes of the militia are—

(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.



Since militia members are expected to be equipped or equip themselves to a level roughly comparable to an army infantryman the AR15 is perfectly acceptable to purchase, own, and use as part of the militia members equipment complement.

Please note that this also lowers the age at which the weapon can be purchased.

As I said in the other thread.....I really didn't think Punch bought into libertarianism Green or otherwise. For the record I was wrong about his political stance on a more expansive interpretation of the 2nd amendment.!

Don Bessee

Then you have the just crazy issue like this S&(# -

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-jonathan-martin-custody-following-alleged-threat-former-school-204356287.html

;-)

Bonnie McGuire

A teacher at the State Board of Education many years ago predicted this would happen because of what our schools were teaching. And I have to add a high school teacher telling me they weren't allowed to "moralize." Immediately it occurred to me that when I was a kid in school we were rewarded for good citizenship. Anyway, isn't all this baloney nothing more than the new way of conducting psychological warfare the Russian leaders recommend? Looking at the natural world...Nature provides every creature with a self defense mechanism to survive predictors. Since some humans choose to prey on others we need to be able to protect ourselves, because it's our personal responsibility. Our government created the problem (drugging children) proving we cannot trust it to protect us unless we become a totalitarian police state. That's why our Constitution's 2nd Amendment is the law enabling us to protect ourselves and others from all predators.

Walt

But Moonbat signed THIS!!!
http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/education/article179209356.html
"For years, Folsom and Rancho Cordova schools have allowed some employees to carry guns on campus because district leaders believed their students were safer that way.

Come Jan. 1, those guns have to stay elsewhere.

Gov. Jerry Brown on Saturday signed legislation preventing school districts from allowing non-security employees to carry guns on campus. Folsom Cordova Unified is the only large district in the Sacramento region that has allowed people with concealed weapons permits to be armed, along with a handful of districts around California that include Kingsburg Joint Union High School District in Fresno County.
Folsom Cordova, which has 20,000 students, has allowed firearms on campus since 2010 with special permission from the superintendent. Teachers and bus drivers have not been allowed to have guns."

So the next shooting in the state can now be placed at Brown's doorstep.

George Rebane

Evidence that progressives are blithering idiots is a torrent that just grows daily.

Todd Juvinall

Rush had a caller from Minnesota today that said the Sheriff/Police needed more space so they worked a deal with the schools and had satellite offices in them. Of course, they would have on their uniforms and would carry. Maybe there is some merit in this.

Todd Juvinall

Looks like the old 60's hippies have instilled their "marching for something" methodology as the left is trying to go nationwide with the youngins agains guns.

Bill Tozer

“Asking a teacher to be ready to confront a school shooter with a firearm is an enormous, almost unthinkable request. But is it any better to ask a teacher to be ready to confront a school shooter with a fire extinguisher or chair?” —Jim Geraghty

George Rebane

BillT 811am - Yes Mr Tozer, such comparisons are countless. Yet the important thing for us to always consider is that ALL such arguments roll off the ears of progressives as does the proverbial water off a duck's back. As a class of human mentalities, the progressives' system of logic and use of utility to support decision making are either absent or, at best, belong in another world unreachable by the rest of us.

Walt

Legal guns in liqueur stores.
http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/24/mom-daughter-oklahoma-liquor-store-robbery/
The anti gunners would have preferred the women to be victims.

Paul Emery

I can't imagine any of my teachers in Grammar or high school carrying guns. What a stupid idea. Also, Imagine he liability schools would have to assume and what would happen the first time a bullet goes astray and hits a student. .

Walt

I'm sure they did Paul, back then every adult carried a musket and a cap&ball pistol.(the ladies,, pepper boxes)

Todd Juvinall

Many of the teachers in my classes as a young person wereWW2 soldiers, sailors etc. They would have been fine with a weapon and how to use one. And many kids had their guns in the gun racks in the parking lot at school. Never one incident I can recall. Liberals think they can talk that killer out of killing so of course, they would be the first dead person.

Bill Tozer

I would not mess with some of those militant school crossing ladies. They take their jobs seriously and would just as soon shoot the violators who fail to stop than look at them.

What a stupid idea? Leaving our children unprotected is a stupid idea.
“I can't imagine any of my teachers in Grammar or high school carrying guns.” Somehow that does not surprise me. First, one needs an imagination to think outside the Bubble. Second, the safety of our children entrusted to our government run public schools lies squarely on the local schools and school districts. Third, there is a difference between mental illness and evil.

But, by all means, go ahead and leave our children unprotected. You can run and hide behind the teachers’ skirts like that pussy LE in Florida did when the shootings starts. You would just be in the way anyway.
Go ahead and trust the system to catch those who fall threw the cracks. Go ahead and lock up every teenager that cuts themselves. There are thousands of girls that cut themselves crying out for help from sea to shinning sea. It’s a fad like eating Tide Pods, which is the first sign of arrested development.
Go ahead and trust the experts to tell you exactly on which day the at risk teenager is going to snap. Nikalos Cage and his friend (who goes to the same school Nikolas shot up and whose house he was staying at ) exchanged several texts that morning. “Hey Bro, what’s going on? Wanna hang later? What to hook up after school at so and so place. This class is sooooo boring.” Nothing unusual there.

Go ahead and tell us again how much you want our children safe. Go ahead and tell us your plan to protect children and teenagers inside a school building if the shooting starts. Another law? Better background checks? Metal detectors? Closing down entrances into a school to one or two ways only. Yep, those are being tried in various school districts.

Whose skirt are you going to hide behind when the bullets start flying at kids at the next school shooting? Oh yes, there will be more school shootings. The copy-cats are coming out of the woodwork and LE jurisdictions are being flooded with leads from coast to coast.

https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/1005414359608786/?type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/1005423306274558/?type=3&theater

Bill Tozer

Oh Punchy, it’s a mute point anyway. There will be no guns on school campuses in California per Gov. Brownstreak., with the exception of LE thr hired approved school resource officer. Worked great in Florida, eh?

So much for local control.

Walt

I'm sure the Xbox,and PlayStation online warfare games have no influence on these shootings... right?

Bill Tozer

And all this time I thought our Founders only envisioned muskets. Guess not. Maybe just sticks and stones.

https://jonathanturley.org/2018/02/21/california-city-bars-revolutionary-war-reenactment-from-using-muskets/

Bill Tozer

Maybe the teachers and janitor can throw dodge balls at the active shooter strolling down the halls right past the Hallway Monitor, trying various door knobs. Opps, strike that. Schools have already banned dodgeballs. It makes losers of the game feel sad and hurts their feelings and not valued.
Guess the kids nowadays will never have the glorious pleasure of knowing what it feels like to have a dodge ball or kick ball drilled against the side of one’s face. We must protect their feelings, but not their lives? I hope I never ever will be able wrap my head around that way of ass backwards thinking.

George Rebane

PaulE 634pm - It is the dysfunctional social policy thinkers who believe that the it's better to stop a killer's bullet with a teacher's body and then let the killer keep killing, instead of giving the teacher the means to engage the killer and stop him or at least keep him from being able to continue his wanton killing spree until the police arrived. The trade-off for a stray bullet like you point out is butt simple to resolve, but I guess not for innumerate progressives. None of you have given a smidgen of rationale for denying guns to trained school staffers.

And yes, I could imagine ALL of my teachers from grade school up being able to handle a CCW weapon, and every one of them would have done so to save their students' lives. Your teachers must have been the relatives of the cowering sheriffs of Broward County.

Your arguments again confirm that our polarized populations need to live under different forms of governance.

Bill Tozer

For those who have some time, this little 15 minutes commentary is not bad. Punch line is it’s not the gun or crockpot or car, it’s the will to do it. Actually, it’s pretty good, low key style. I must see for Punchy, but you can lead a horse to water, but.....

https://patriotpost.us/articles/54333-video-be-afwaid-be-vewy-afwaid

Bill Tozer

One for the road.

https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/1005413592942196/?type=3&theater

Gregory

Toes 812pm

Sorry to be a fussbudget here, but the phrase you're looking for is "moot point".
http://www.dictionary.com/e/moot-point-vs-mute-point/

One of those common misuses ...

Don Bessee

Thank God for real men doing their job!

https://nypost.com/2018/02/24/these-heroic-cops-ran-toward-florida-school-shooting/

;-)

Don Bessee

How long will Steve Israel hold on?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/25/broward-sheriff-scott-israel-facing-calls-for-his-ouster-after-florida-school-shooting.html

;-)

Don Bessee

You go girls!

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mother-daughter-confront-armed-robbery-051154852.html

;-)

Bill Tozer

Not that I am a huge Ben Sharpio fan, but rather it is because Ben is so quotable.

… “The biggest problem with the gun control debate has been its failure to boil down slogans to proposals. That problem won’t be alleviated so long as the media insist on putting mourning teenagers on television with the chyron ‘DO SOMETHING.’ Something is nothing unless someone puts some actual proposals on the table.” —Ben Shapiro.

George Rebane

BillT 302pm - Apparently Shapiro has not been paying attention. Proposals are already on the table ranging from taking all guns to arming school staffs.

Scenes

My simplistic world view is as follows:

. Rifles of this sort have been available for decades, there was a huge growth in ownership in the late 1970's and early 1980's.
. Shootings of this type are a relatively new thing

So what changed? Perhaps we just need to back up on those changes.

Don Bessee

A profile in failure, even the Clinton news network analyst describes this appearance as pride go's before the fall while the Florida legislature is calling on the Gov to remove Israel from office.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/25/politics/sheriff-israel-sotu-full-transcript/index.html

;-)

Bill Tozer

Call me jaded, but we have to consider the 2018 FL Senate race when weighing surprising comments from Gov. Rick Scott as well as Sen. Bill Nelson.

https://ballotpedia.org/United_States_Senate_election_in_Florida,_2018

George Rebane

'What changed?' has been the perennial question on RR for over a decade. And it still needs to be asked because the Left's response is crickets, and resumption of their demands for complete confiscation.

Bill Tozer

For those who have a few spare moments, this is my kind of woman. Highly recommended, albeit this may be the wrong post.
The government has failed to protect us and now they want to take away our guns.
“I got news for you. We are mothers, too.” Shame on you!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U4jfRxn-RL0&feature=player_embedded

PS: The Texas Church Shooter was stopped cold by an NRA member using his AR-15.

Todd Juvinall

Funny how the left always ridicules anyone on the right that likes the "good old days" of the fifties. They say oh, you like Jim Crow and blacks etal being discriminated against. Now they say they like those days as there were no school shootings. I recall the Texas Tower though. Was that in the 50's or 60's?

Walt

The law of unintended consequences.
http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/25/nra-boycott-backfires/

Bill Tozer

Yep, Scenes was right. The Obama Promise Program is how and why Cruz could legally buy a gun.

http://prospect.org/article/reversing-broward-countys-school-prison-pipeline

“Students who engaged in violence, drug sales, robberies, burglaries, theft and other various crimes were intentionally kept out of the criminal justice system. County administrators and School Superintendents told local and county law enforcement officers to stop arresting students

Unfortunately, the school board mandated policies came into conflict with law and order. The problem of the conflicted policy -vs- legality worsened over time as the police excused much more than misdemeanor crimes. Over time this culminated in police officers falsifying documents, hiding criminal activity, lying on official police reports and even hiding stolen merchandise police retrieved from high school students.”

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/19/school-shooting-was-outcome-of-broward-county-school-board-policy-now-local-and-national-politicians-weaponize-kids-for-ideological-intents/


jon smith

Trump claims he would have run into the school unarmed . . . with a bone spur to boot. Be he ever so humble.

Paul Emery

George

the main purpose of the NRA is to sell guns. They are essential in providing information to enhance the necessity of arming the populace and providing a twisted interpretation of the 2nd Amendment which creates the need for more product which their clients provide despite the ramifications. they are very good at what they do.

Paul Emery

there are estimates of 270 million to 310 million guns in the United States — close to one firearm for every man, woman and child. Good work NRA.

Paul Emery

The Orange Blob wound have a heart attack if he tried to run. Why didn't he display his heroics in the Viet Nam war. Oh yeah, he had bone spurs and dodged the draft.

Paul Emery

"President Trump told a gathering of the nation’s governors Monday that he would have heroically run into the high school where a gunman armed with an assault rifle was massacring 17 people — even if he had been empty-handed."

https://nypost.com/2018/02/26/trump-says-he-would-have-run-into-high-school-unarmed-during-massacre-to-save-kids/

Bill Tozer

The main purpose of the NRA is to sell guns? Hmmm. Where have I heard that one before?

https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.254420818025296.63999.217926015008110/1265643436903024/?type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/1265202920280409/?type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.254420818025296.63999.217926015008110/1265556570245044/?type=3&theater


Bill Tozer

From a former CA superientant of schools.

There has never been one case In CA of a stray bullet or accidental discharge of a concealed weapon by any teacher or administrative staff ever being documented in the State of California.

https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/1006403652843190/?type=3&theater

Walt

From Paul,"the main purpose of the NRA is to sell guns"
What a load of mule shit.
The NRA is there to protect the rights of gun owners. No matter which color they are.
Once again Paul shows his stupidity.

Paul Emery

WAlt

Hopelessly naive but who cares. It makes him feel good.

Walt

Paul.. Just where is the NRA gun store?

But some history for the vastly ill informed.
"The National Rifle Association of America (NRA) is an American nonprofit organization that advocates for gun rights.[5][6][7]

Founded in 1871, the group has informed its members about firearm-related bills since 1934, and it has directly lobbied for and against legislation since 1975.[8] It has been called the oldest continuously operating civil rights organization and the "largest and best-funded lobbying organization in the United States".[9]

Founded to advance rifle marksmanship, the modern NRA continues to teach firearm competency and safety. The organization also publishes several magazines and sponsors competitive marksmanship events.[8] Membership surpassed 5 million in May 2013.[5]"

But Proggy BS pulled out of one's South end is what passes for evidence these days.

Bill Tozer

“President Trump told a gathering of the nation’s governors Monday that he would have heroically run into the high school where a gunman armed with an assault rifle was massacring 17 people — even if he had been empty-handed."

Amazing. Is there anything that man Trump cannot do? He aint’t no Coward of Nevada County, that’s for sure.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/donald-trump-apparently-stopped-a-mugging-in-1991-resurfaced-report-says_2031210.html


Walt

Let me use LIB logic, and their attack tactics.
Ca. Leftists make it easy for the school shooters. They satand behind their beloved gun free zones, knowing full well that's where mass killings can happen. They need the dead bodies.
Jerry and the kids made sure teachers can't be armed..BY LAW.
And it was just last OCT. Brown signed that law.
http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/education/article179209356.html
"
Come Jan. 1, those guns have to stay elsewhere.

Gov. Jerry Brown on Saturday signed legislation preventing school districts from allowing non-security employees to carry guns on campus. Folsom Cordova Unified is the only large district in the Sacramento region that has allowed people with concealed weapons permits to be armed, along with a handful of districts around California that include Kingsburg Joint Union High School District in Fresno County."

And then what does do? Decriminalizes the use of a gun in a crime.

"At the end of the latest legislation session Gov. Jerry Brown (D) signed a bill removing mandatory enhanced sentencing for criminals who use guns in the commission of their crimes.
He did this at the same time that he signed other legislation making it illegal for teachers to be armed on K-12 campuses for self-defense.
Liberal logic–teachers are not allowed to shoot back if under attack and criminals face no mandatory sentence enhancement for using a gun in carrying out an attack.
Assembly Bill 424 made it illegal for teachers to be armed for self-defense and Senate Bill 620 removed the mandatory enhancement for using a gun for crime. SB 620 removed the mandatory enhancement from the Penal Code and placed it at the discretion of the judge presiding over the case.

Progressives need body counts.

George Rebane

PaulE 1117am - I joined the NRA in my 20s and am a Life Member. I have followed and supported that organization for over half a century. I don't think that you and yours have even the slightest clue about the purpose and work of the NRA. Because your aim is to prevent civilian possession and use of firearms, you correctly see the NRA as one of the stalwart institutions standing between you and achieving that goal. Therefore, it must be vilified within and with all the teachings of Saul Alinsky.

Paul Emery

Yes there is something Trump cannot (or did not) do Bill And that was serve in the military-bone spur deferment. But is claims to be capable 50 years later to run down a 19 year old killer with an assault rifle. Wow. Next we'll see Trump action dolls.

Paul Emery

George

Lobbyists for products create a need for their products and secure government assistance to promote their products.

Here's some support for my view:

"Since 2005, the gun industry and its corporate allies have given between $20 million and $52.6 million to it through the NRA Ring of Freedom sponsor program. Donors include firearm companies like Midway USA, Springfield Armory Inc, Pierce Bullet Seal Target Systems, and Beretta USA Corporation. Other supporters from the gun industry include Cabala's, Sturm Rugar & Co, and Smith & Wesson.

The NRA also made $20.9 million — about 10 percent of its revenue — from selling advertising to industry companies marketing products in its many publications in 2010, according to the IRS Form 990.

Additionally, some companies donate portions of sales directly to the NRA. Crimson Trace, which makes laser sights, donates 10 percent of each sale to the NRA. Taurus buys an NRA membership for everyone who buys one of their guns. Sturm Rugar gives $1 to the NRA for each gun sold, which amounts to millions. The NRA's revenues are intrinsically linked to the success of the gun business.

The NRA Foundation also collects hundreds of thousands of dollars from the industry, which it then gives to local-level organizations for training and equipment purchases.

This shift is key to understanding why a coalition of hunters, collectors and firearm enthusiasts takes the heat for incidents of gun violence, like the shooting massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School, rather than the companies that manufacture and market assault weapons."

http://www.businessinsider.com/gun-industry-funds-nra-2013-1

Todd Juvinall

So Paul Emery you are older than Trump. Tell us what you would personally do if you were that deputy that did not go in.

And GeorgeR has smacked down the liberal mantra against the NRA which proves you know zip about them.

Bill Tozer

Oh Punchy,
Don’t forget the money I just sent in to the NRA for a two year membership. I am now a member for the first time in my life and it’s money well worth spent. It was a bargain and I did it solely because of people exactly like you. I give you all the credit. Kudos to the Popinjay.

Walt

Not going back to the musket Paul. Deal with it.
But go right ahead and pound your sward into plow shires.
Those who do, usually wind up growing crops for those who didn't.
The history teachers time was a waste on you.
BTW. NO "assault weapons" are sold to the general public.
Cosmetics does not an "assault weapon" make.

So glue a "manly" looking marital aid to your mule's forehead, and you have a LIB Unicorn. It "looks" like one, so it MUST be.

fish

Posted by: Bill Tozer | 26 February 2018 at 12:27 PM


I re-upped for two years as well Bill! I haven’t beeen a member for 20 years!

Paul Emery

Todd

How does Georges "smacking down the liberal mantra..." connect with me not knowing ZIP? Is George some kind of soothsayer or something who expresses the definitive truth whenever he speaks?

What would I do if I were that Deputy? Weird question Todd. Don;t know the details of the situation but if I was armed and trained as a peace officer I would have done what I could to stop the killing.

Walt

" I don't know the details"... Now that's rich.....
A NON trained person stopped a mass killing at a church.
So much for "news man"'s grasp on the news.

Walt

OK LIBS,,, PANIC!!!
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/02/26/army-veteran-ar-15-handgun-stands-guard-indiana-school/

Paul Emery

What do you know Walt that isn't in the media?

Todd Juvinall

Well Paul Emery thanks for telling us you would do he same thing you criticized Trump for saying he would do. Glad to see you are now a Trumpster.

Walt

Plenty. How bout YOU!!??

George Rebane

PaulE 1218pm - "the main purpose of the NRA is to sell guns." is your statement that supports my conclusion about your knowledge of the NRA. The NRA, as the nation's 2nd Amend stalwart, of course supports the manufacturers of the items the ownership of which it promotes. Deducing that corollary behavior is not rocket science, but itself provides no evidence of its "main purpose". There are many more affinity organizations that promote the manufacture, purchase, and use of things that give pleasure or fill a needed function for its members. None of them, most certainly according to the members, exist for the "main purpose" of their associated manufacturers. But I most certainly understand why holding fiercely to that cynical belief about the NRA gives great comfort to you and yours.

BTW, I would gladly introduce you to some real NRA members, of which there are a legion in these parts, so you can see that these are the most sane, caring, and safety-minded people about guns that you will ever meet.

Walt

Hearing that so-called Sheriff speak, he sound more like Stalin.
Hitler would love the guy.

Bill Tozer

Finally, an article about legal guns on school grounds with solutions. Hint: simple but not easy.

First, the problem:

“Furthermore, the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA) requires that education to take place in the “least restrictive environment” possible. It also provides special protections for disabled students facing expulsion, requiring school officials to follow special procedures that include a hearing to determine if the misconduct was directly related to the student’s disability. If that is the case, a special education team must develop, or modify, a behavioral intervention plan.

With regard to violent students like the perpetrator in Parkland, these laws are problematic. Yet they are only half the problem. A 2017 column by Jeffery Benzing addressed the other half, noting that Broward County “used to rank No. 1 at sending students to their state’s juvenile justice system,” he explained. “The stats troubled Broward County leaders, and they responded with a bold solution: Lower arrests by not making arrests.”

Broward compiled a list of 12 misdemeanor offenses no longer requiring police notification. They included criminal mischief, vandalism and non-violent incidents involving alcohol, marijuana or drug paraphernalia. The program was championed as a move away from a “zero tolerance” policy critics labeled a “school to prison pipeline.”

It gets worse. “One particular motivation behind programs like Broward County’s was the pressure from multiple sources to reduce the statistical disparity between black and Hispanic student arrests on one hand and white and Asian student arrests on the other,” reveals columnist Jack Cashill. Based solely on his last name, the Parkland killer “became a statistical Hispanic,” Cashill adds. “As such, authorities at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland had every reason not to report his troubling and likely criminal behavior to the police.”

Broward wasn’t the only county under pressure. In 2014, the Obama administration sent out a Dear Colleague letter whose subject was the Nondiscriminatory Administration of School Discipline. Issued by the DOJ and the DOE’s Office of Civil Rights, the letter made it clear that an aggressive “disparate impact” approach would be taken with regard to disciplining minority students.

In short, schools that meted out a “disproportionate number” of disciplinary measures to minority students, relative to their percentage of the school population, could be charged with discrimination under Title IV and Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Thus, the Obama administration and Broward County officials made sure many kids couldn’t even be disciplined, much less arrested, for egregious behavior.

Read more for the solution.

https://patriotpost.us/articles/54369-progressive-policies-put-schools-at-risk


Bill Tozer

Fish @ 12:44 pm

I chose the pocketknife as my gift. Concealed in my pocket. A man or daughter cannot have too many pocket knives. Figured the NRA camo bag might be too triggering, as the gold lettered NRA shooter’s hat. What did you choose?
Darn. Just found out if I had joined up at Cabela’s, I would have got a $25 gift certificate.

Gregory

Toes... where are the details about Cabelas sweetening the pot? I do suspect the full frontal assault on the NRA is going to be driving their membership numbers higher.

No, Paul, the NRA does not exist to sell guns. The NRA exists because their membership wants to be able to buy guns and to use them lawfully and safely.


Bill Tozer

Gregory. Sorry, old news. It was NRA Weekend, ending Feb. 14th, Valentine’s Day and Fla school shooter day. Again, sorry for getting your hopes up.

https://www.nrablog.com/articles/2016/2/cabelas-hosts-nra-weekend-february-13-14/

Walt

Me neither. Watch how fast the little bastards learn respect.

Xeno

I can't wait until the lunch lady, the janitor and the AV guy are all carrying guns in schools. How many will die in friendly fire incidents?

DEA agent shoots self in foot trying to teach about guns,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP6UvNgbqIA

Walt

Now how the hell did that happen?

fish

Posted by: Bill Tozer | 26 February 2018 at 02:37 PM


Oh Bill.....worrying about triggering people is so far down my list and I have a 20 year old range bag that’s earned it’s retirement.

I think you can guess.which I requested!

Paul Emery


Gregory
They take huge amounts of money-millions- from gun manufactures whose business it is is to sell guns. The NRA increases demands for guns with their frantic 2nd amendment marketing that has accelerated the market for guns. A reasonable position as to age limits for purchasing guns that can produce the carnage seen in Florida is not even within the consideration of the zealots that act as their spokespersons.

Walt

So what Paul? How much has the fear mongering of AGW raked in?
Then raise the voting age to 21 If an 18 year old is incompetent to own a gun, the same applies to voting.

fish

Posted by: Paul Emery | 26 February 2018 at 04:24 PM

A reasonable position as to age limits for purchasing guns that can produce the carnage seen in Florida is not even within the consideration of the zealots that act as their spokespersons.


What are you whining about? You were the one making the unorganized militia argument last week.

Unorganized militia = 17 years old to purchase in Punchyland!

Walt

How bout cars Paul? Plenty of kids get killed every day in cars.
No driving till 21? Think the kids will go for it?

Don Bessee

0 did more for gun sales than the NRA ever could have @424 ya po' ol' putin party parrot! ;-)

Don Bessee

The po' ol' fakenewsmans new poster girl for constitutional rights-

U.S.
Florida Shooting Survivor Emma Gonzalez Gains Nearly Twice As Many Twitter Followers As The NRA

https://www.yahoo.com/news/florida-shooting-survivor-emma-gonzalez-133302310.html

Oh well twitter has spoken right? ;-)

Xeno

Mother and daughter try to shoot it out with store robber only to get pistol whipped after robber takes gun away from mother after getting shot. Not the best advertisement for wanna be self defense heros.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mother-daughter-shoot-oklahoma-armed-184729678.html

Don Bessee

The po' ol' fakenewsman should get his priorities right! Ban the tub!

There are about 110,000 annual bathtub and shower-related accidents in the U.S. each year, per the Consumer Product Safety Commission, and over 75 percent of fatalities from these injuries happen in children under the age of 5. An average of 10 people die each day from unintentional drownings (including in swimming pools and in the bathtub), per data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Those water-related incidents that are not fatal can still cause severe brain damage that can lead to memory problems, learning disabilities, and the permanent loss of basic functioning.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/bollywood-star-sridevi-kapoor-drowned-bath-cause-death-common-youd-think-181539868.html
;-)

Bill Tozer

Well, while we are at it, let’s increase the age of the right to assemble to 21. We all know how dangerous those Antifas are when they come out of Mommie’s basement.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/26/texas-antifa-mental-illness/

Think Punchy is beginning to realize it ain’t going to happen. Yo Punchy, how about we mess with unlawful search and seizure Constitutional protections while we are at it. Your vans look mighty suspicious, not to mention that gawd awful carbon footprint they create.

Ok, ok, ok. You win. We will toss ya a tiny bone if it keeps you quite, you toothless gum dog, you. No bump stocks. There, that’s your pacifier to suck on. You did something to save school childre! Congrats. Boy, that really stings like a bee. Bump stocks are just an accessory anyway, Cherish the moment.

Someday the libbies will learn that all arguments begin with the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Someday is a’coming.

Walt

Duffus"X" misses the best part of the story. The women filled him full of holes. Size matters. That mouse gun they had wasn't up to the job. Not a bullet left in the gun.
Nice try,, princess..

Bill Tozer

The Sheriff...er....school resource officer.....down at Coward County was carrying a Glock 40. That is a nice lob that would have dropped the shooter to the ground, especially if it hit him in the back of the head. Same for the Xeno’s Oklahoma robber.

Maybe we could start a Go Fund Me Page for the mother-daughter team so they can have matching rose colored hand guns with a wee bit more powerful projectile. The robber may not have been killed, but he certainly would not be feeling too good.

fish

Posted by: Xeno | 26 February 2018 at 04:56 PM


Yeah ladies.....just lie back and “Think of England” so Emo can feel good about his political positions!

fish

.....and here we go!


NOBODY WANTS TO BAN GUNS YOU PARANOID WINGNUT! Also: House Democrats introduce bill prohibiting sale of semi-automatic weapons.


http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/house-democrats-introduce-bill-prohibiting-sale-of-semi-automatic-weapons/article/2650087

Don Bessee

Ok, so the perp is perforated multiple times and is in jail after their fight right? And you think the ladies lost?? @456?? What a maroon. I agree guys, a .40 or a good ol' .45 would have ended the matter quicker and saved us the cost of a trial. ;-)

Bill Tozer

and here we go.

205 semi-auto firearms banned, most of them handguns, and of course, the fire sticks. Wrap it up real purdy like, put a big bow on it, and call it an “assault weapons ban” Priceless. Wonder why they did not call it the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. Oh yeah, they already used that one.
And here we go.....

The Popinjays and hand wringers still have not told us how we will protect our kids inside a school. Not talking about fights and bullying and snide remarks or drugs. Nope.

How do we do it? Nobody but nobody that posts here from whatever political persuasion they may be ever thinks about walking into a school and shooting students. We all want the killings to STOP. Stop the killings. Ok. Our kids go to movies, street fairs, music venues, and hang out downtown or in parks or worse. We can’t protect them everywhere they go.

But, if we as a nation can focus just on the classrooms, hallways and grounds of primary education public schools across America, then we might....might be able to do it. How do we protect our kids from crazies inside the school buildings? How? Shoot back is how. There inside the school, there at the school, there in the place the killings are happening. Not in DC, not in the State Capitol, but in the classrooms were the killing fields are.

The ONLY thing stopping us from protecting our school kids and putting a stop to these horrific killings is progressive ideology..... and the political will to do it......of which therein lies the problem.

Gregory

So, the Broward Coward had a Glock with 15+ round magazines?
Maybe it'll go on sale... should go for a good price. Ain't never been fired and was only dropped once.

Scenes

billt@6:47 Huh. Here we go indeed.

https://cicilline.house.gov/sites/cicilline.house.gov/files/images/Assault_Weapons_Ban_of_2018.pdf

Do I see grandfathering in there? (plus the mandatory Mini-14 exception by omission that these laws always seem to have).

Holy cats, do you know how many rifles are going to get sold if they publicize this law much?...which is of course the main point of the exercise. The boutique AR-15 manufacturers have to be tooling up as we speak.

This strikes me as potentially a good idea. The Russian thing went nowhere, BLM fizzled out, the women-getting-groped fuss has largely died off, so the gun thing might have some legs. Outrage is addictive and if you can steer it to political power, so much the better. The need for Green Libertarians to run your life is nearly infinite.

I do wish that people would quit grasping at the 10 round magazine magic bullet (so to speak). It's as stupid as the flash suppressor/pistol grip/extendable stock/etc. cosmetic bans. The problem is that stupid sells.

Scenes

re: me@7:21PM

Hang on. Now that I think of it, this is kind of an annual bill isn't it. Some kind of yearly DIFI extravaganza.

I suppose the difference is a few more co-sponsors, you can wave it around like a flag a bit more than usual, and it never comes to a vote.

Don Bessee

Its the cover up stupid-
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2018/02/26/fl-ag-bondi-folks-broward-county-sheriffs-department-not-honest/

;-)

Bill Tozer

Yep Scenes. Pussy hats are sooo last year. When the Russian thang broke out, I knew it would be sticking around for months, maybe years. Guess all good things must come to an end. But throwing yourselves in front of our children does have legs. Let the political posturing oozing with incredulous moral outrage begin anew. Perfect script, like a Disney movie. Has the innocence good guys, the mean vile villain, and the battle for good over evil with the foe vanquished and they lived happily ever after.

On a humanitarian note, I certainly hope for the sake of mercy that the CBC does not hold another one of those catered sit-ins under the Rotunda. Last time they did that it was too painful to watch. Seeing old John Lewis sitting on the floor cross legged and stuck and trying to get his legs to work so he could could untangle himself and get up to pee was just too pathetic to look at. I was deeply saddened for the civil rights icon. It ripped me up and I ain’t quite ready to have my heart torn asunder again.

Don Bessee

Another reason to thank team 0 for Cruz being ignored -

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/02/26/broward-county-likely-inspiration-for-obama-school-discipline-policy-to-report-fewer-arrests-suspensions/

;-)

Don Bessee

Just sayin'

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/02/26/sheriff-david-clarke-democrats-have-screwed-this-country-up-with-failed-liberal-urban-policies/

;-)

Scenes

re: DonB@9:56PM

A quote from the article:

"Moody said, “Utah becomes the poster child for why economic and social factors are interrelated … there are not enough young people in our states to maintain current population levels, except in a state like Utah,” which is highly successful economically."

As an aside, I'm always curious about that attitude. A large problem is that there's not enough jobs, especially lesser skilled jobs. You can see the results of subsistence welfare systems wherever they occur (which makes me wonder about the wisdom of guaranteed basic incomes) and work appears to be the best way out.

Of course, 'Moody' is quick to ignore that Utah's better point might be that it is full of Mormons, not that they have more children.

Solution? You need more young people to compete over the jobs. Not enough young people? Import millions of them. I suppose you can argue that more people might imply more jobs, at least in the policing sphere, but it looks more like a supply and demand imbalance to me.

The funny thing about population growth as a method for improving an economy is the endgame. At some point, you stack people like cordwood before the inevitable die-off occurs. Perpetual growth in population is an incredibly short-sighted plan.

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