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21 March 2018

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jon smith

Interesting post, I hope it engenders some good discussion. "In the FBI, as a result, there now is politicization, polarization, and no sense of the bright line that separates the legal from the extralegal.”

I disagree with the contention that any of this is new. When the FBI really started to gain traction fighting the "Wobblies" it was political, polarized, and the bright white line was rather gray. Fast forward to J Edgar Hoover and the FBI was nothing if not absolutely political.

There has always been a yin and yang among our 20 something law and spy agencies and with it politics, polarization, and huge heapings of special interests.

Walt

McCabe must have been a Lefty stooge.
http://dailycaller.com/2018/03/21/andrew-mccabe-investigated-jeff-sessions/
If all it took was "for Democratic Vermont Sen. Patrick Leahy and then-Minnesota Sen. Al Franken wrote a letter asking the bureau to investigate whether Sessions was truthful in his confirmation hearing about contacts he had with Kislyak."

Again the FBI was weaponized by the "O" admin.

George Rebane

Yes, under Hoover the Bureau was very much political. Students of history will recall that the FBI entered a serious period of makeover after J Edgar's death, at which they were successful and kept out of the political limelight for almost thirty years. Now they're trying to return to those peaceful years.

Scenes

I'm no expert in this, but always had the feeling that the Hoover FBI was it's own party rather than closely allied to one. That is, it acted in a self-interested manner only. It's something I should know more about.

I'll throw out two unrelated theories.

The first is that the Democrats, who are not well represented in the military, felt the need for their own army. This isn't the kind of thing that's a stated goal, but is a kind of subconscious urge felt by the Dems as a whole. Over time, and accelerated during the Obama administration, there has been a militarization of federal law enforcement and something of a political takeover. There ain't just the FBI, there's a scad of gun carrying civil 'servants' (is the guy with the gun really a servant?). They are more well paid than the military, and are at least partly hired for political fealty.

Two. That there is a natural tendency for these systems to reach some sort of equilibrium. As the country becomes more difficult to manage due to vibrant diversity and a slow motion death of traditional culture, you need a more steady hand to 'guide' everybody. One system that worked well in the USSR was the three legged stool (a troika maybe?) of party, army, intelligence service. In the US, the military is already well established and I can see where, over time, a single political party emerges (like in California). What is missing is an independent a very powerful intelligence service which is it's own power center rather than reporting to the executive branch. The duking out that needs to occur is the shriveling of (likely) the Republican party and for the internationally oriented services like CIA to become a GRU equivalent and suborned to the Defense Department. There's nothing planned here, it's just organic.

George Rebane

Scenes 658pm - And none of that very reasonable scenario can come to pass if we manage to keep the Second Amendment in place.

jon smith

Scenes- Perhaps we should make an agency, call it Homeland Security, under which we now have the "new and improved" FEMA, TSA, and a manifold/melting pot for the FBI, CIA, NSA, SS, ad nauseam. George Bush had an idea, but fell miserably short of making anything better.

Don Bessee

So what did team 0 do to fix it in 8 years other than weaponizing what used to be our protectors of freedom? @906 Then you have the masters of the universe who put their thumb on the scale in 2012 and 2016 for team 0. Lets not forget their fakenews friends!

blog pointed out that the original version of the story included a mention that Facebook’s COO Sheryl Sandberg was at odds with Stamos over his push for more transparency.
“Mr. Stamos had been a strong advocate inside the company for investigation and disclosing Russian activity on Facebook, often to the consternation of other top executives, including Sheryl Sandberg, the social network’s chief operating officer, according to the current and former employees, who asked not to be identified discussing internal matters.”
However, the blog later discovered the above sentence, as it was worded, was gone from the story the following day.

So team 0-Shrillary gave the Russians uranium and took cool cash and then rest button and then more donations and the hot mic. Ya right the Republicans conspired with the remnants of the evil empire. Anyone want to back and read the threads about the rape of Georgia and 0?


http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2018/03/21/new-york-times-cuts-negative-reference-to-facebooks-sheryl-sandberg-from-story.html

;-)

Scenes

re: Jon Smith@9:06

'Homeland Security', at least from the outside, strikes me as more a reporting device to the President with a certain amount of ability to coordinate.

I can certainly see it growing into a monolithic intelligence agency over time with centralized control. The huge increase in ability to surveil will hold them in good stead as the need to actively control the public increases. Really, no one will be safe. Any successful candidate for the Presidency will have a skeleton or two in the closet, and the insanely powerful and overused notion of 'conspiracy' is a good catch-all charge.

This war between Trump and senior FBI staff might be a crux point, and one that he could well lose since he lacks a personal mafia in place in government (unlike practically any other President, similar to Carter). It seems to me that the idea of 'Deep State' is an overly simplified one, the players are still sorting themselves out.

In any case, I can imagine a world where the intelligence services provide a full-fledged branch of government. Part of that model includes a single-party with an absorbed judiciary. Within the next century, my bet is on the Democrats. The idea of Third World invasion is such a powerful one, and so instinctive to them, that's it's a sure winner.

A country that is not a nation but is a coalition of identity politics really does need a highly centralized and sometimes brutal government. There's just too many examples in history where that was a stable situation in the long term.

Bill Tozer

“Law enforcement officers at the Jupiter Police Department and Palm Beach County Sheriff’s office convened at Johnson’s high school last January to investigate the self-radicalized teen’s contact with ISIS as he sought to join the terror group. The FBI’s Joint Terrorism Task Force became involved after European intelligence counterparts told them Johnson had used Instagram to issue security threats to a Catholic high school in England. The threats “were so severe in nature,” local officials discovered, “that up to 100 students were removed from the school fearing some kind of attack.”

One of the messages threatened: “By Allah, we will kill every single Infidel student at this school.” Johnson told FBI agents he “was supportive of known terrorist Anwar al Awlaki” — the spiritual patron of lone-wolf jihadists.

The FBI’s plan of action? Inaction. The agency watched and waited and wanly admonished Johnson to knock it off because authorities “believed a redirection approach would be the most beneficial regarding his conduct.”

“Redirection” is akin to the alternative social justice strategies school officials and police used in Parkland, Florida, before 17 innocent students and teachers died at the hands of teen shooter who was a walking neon sign for a mental health catastrophe.

No referrals, no charges, no records, no problems.”

https://patriotpost.us/opinion/54868-another-fatal-fbi-fumble-in-florida


Bill Tozer

Observations: “[Andrew] McCabe defenders may argue that any other FBI official would have reached the same conclusions about the Clinton investigation that McCabe did. But if that really is the case, that just strengthens the argument that someone else should have handled it. … If you allow the FBI to cut corners or tread into gray areas when investigating political figures you don’t like, at some point, they’re going to cut corners or tread into gray areas when investigating political figures you do like.” —Jim Geraghty

ArchieBunker

Remember Deep Throat; and I don’t mean Stormy Daniels?

Paul Emery

George

During his 2004 reelection campaign, Bush assured audiences that the federal government was not wiretapping Americans without a warrant. It was revealed, however, that in December 2005 the NSA was conducting up to 500 warrant less wiretaps inside the U.S. at a time. Also. NSA was tracking the calls of tens of millions of Americans and constructing the “largest database ever assembled in the world.

Is this the good ole days you'd like us to return to?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/02/02/trump-nunes-memo-russia-investigation-fbi-congress-bovard-column/1088740001/


scenes

"Is this the good ole days you'd like us to return to?"

Oh shit. We're back to question man.

I'm outta this thread.

George Rebane

PaulE 1135am - given what you know about my conservetarian ideology, what makes you ignorant of my answer to such a question?

Gregory

Toes 826am
and everyone else

I found Terry McAteer's piece in TheUnion eerily reminiscent of the PROMISE redirections of juvenile crime in Broward County.

https://www.theunion.com/opinion/terry-mcateer-times-are-a-changin-with-our-youth/


jon smith

Speaking of security . . . bye bye McMaster. Bolton? Trump is now completely surrounded by miniature versions of self. How can anyone be so stupid as to not invite contrary opinions into the mix? The right has held McMaster on a pedestal, by this time tomorrow, y'all will be calling him a pariah.

Paul Emery

George

You were a strong supporter of Bush so I assumed you supported the work product of the Bush Admin which included my cited events that included hundred of warrant less surveillance's of American citizens and the assembled tracking of calls of tens of millions of Americans and constructing the largest database ever assembled in the world. (from my 11:35 post). Did you or didn't you support those actions by the Bush Admin?

Gregory

Paul

Dead puppies again?

Paul Emery

Don't know what you're talking about Gregory. Please translate.

Gregory

Sure you do, Paul.

Dead puppies.

Paul Emery

Nah Gregory. You don't even know what it means or you'd explain

Gregory

It isn't worth explaining to you, Paul.

Paul Emery

That's fine with me Gregory

Gregory

Like I wrote, Paul, your 507 ... dead puppies.

Scott Obermuller

js - "How can anyone be so stupid as to not invite contrary opinions into the mix?"
You might ask Obama or Hillary.
"The right has held McMaster on a pedestal, by this time tomorrow, y'all will be calling him a pariah."
So - tomorrow you'll provide examples? Heck, you won't even answer questions.

Paul Emery

You're repeating yourself Gregory. Try something new.

Gregory

Paul, dead puppies.

George Rebane

PaulE 507pm - Your question indicates that you give blanket approval to politicians' subsequent actions after you vote for them. I don't.

jons - 430pm - Why would we ever call McMaster a pariah after his honorable service to our country? Is that another aspect of the asinine picture you have of those who don't agree with you?

Todd Juvinall

Liberals like jon/linda spit on our troops at their return from Vietnam at the Oakland airport. I have no use for those scum-spitters.

Paul Emery

George

I didn't vote for Obama second time around because I didn't approve of the job he did as President. Did you vote for Bush second time around?

Todd Juvinall

Paul Emery, we blame you and your ilk for putting the failed Obama into office in the first place. Was that vote a "guilt" vote for being a privileged white guy?

Paul Emery

OK Todd let me ask you this. At least I recognized Obama was not a very good president and didn't vote for him the second time You can't clean the same thing about voting for Bush the second time That must mean you thought he was a good president

Paul Emery

typo "you can't claim the same thing"

Gregory

Paul, all a Republican would need to do to vote for the shrub a second time would be to consider the ramifications of a President Kerry.

Gregory

In other words...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4PzpxOj5Cc

Bonnie McGuire

So darned funny when I read what others have to say, because it's an eye opener education providing comparisons. I love your site Dr. Rebane because it is truly what it's supposed to be...open discussion (and more) more on subjects you can't find anywhere else locally. Pretty obvious by the different opinions expressed. Bless your heart, because everybody can compare and grow educationally. As individuals we all have experiences different from others that contribute to our personal hands on education. Reading others opinions is a great contribution to our education and the choices we make. I just read about the attempted murder of the guy that was investigating the murder of Seth Rich, and had to shake my head wondering about if most of the phony baloney news media is how they destroy the 1st Amendment....by destroying trust.

Todd Juvinall

Paul Emery, yes I voted for Bush twice. During his presidency the economy was pretty good and I was busy building homes and hiring a lot of locals. I am proud of my votes and support for him. You are just a fickle voter, a fly by night voter, and that is why I have no respect for you. You can't even say a good thing about your own guy.

And like Gregory said, who wants John, Swift Boated Kerry?

Scott Obermuller

"At least I recognized Obama was not a very good president and didn't vote for him the second time".
But we conservatives knew he was a lying phoney right off the bat.
So we're ahead of you by your own admission.
Do try and keep up.

Ricky McVeigh

Zyklon Blog still going strong I see. So very excellent and beautiful.

Paul Emery

Did you vote for Bush 2nd time around Scott? Did you consider him to be a "very good president" ?

Paul Emery

Gregory

If Bush was such a good President why didn't you vote for him?

George Rebane

PaulE 1219pm - I have no idea how you pick the candidate that gets your vote. But most people take a look at what the alternatives on the ticket have to offer, and then vote for the one they believe will best serve their interests. Given Bush2 and Kerry in 2004, most of us voted for Bush2. Please don't go simplistic and assume that all of us then automatically approved of everything he had done and would do henceforth.

Bill Tozer

Oh Paul will love this.........sort of related to the FBI..

He’s a liar! Liar! Liar! Shows Trump’s bad judgement! Liar! Liar!!!!! Liar.

It has come to light that during his reconfirmation hearing, #2 man at the DOJ Rod Rosenstein testified that he worked on the Ken Starr special prosicution team. No biggie, but he said in 1997 and 1999. He got the exact dates wrong. Liar! Fire his sorry deceptive forked tongue ass. Liar! He must go.

What is it with Flynn and Rosenstein lying about non crimes??? Who is that forest fire reporter Punchy has on his show? She lied about a crime and lied to the police. Lied right to LE’s face.

Next time that liar appears on the little alternative FM station, I can see Punchy grab her mic and start screaming “Liar, liar, liar” at her, ROFLMAO. Never happen, nor should it ever happen.

So, the DOJ is close to the FBI, right? Kinda on the topic (FBI), right?

At least Flynn and Rosenstein lied about non crimes, as opposed to the community asset who lied about illegal activity. and ven who she is. Liar! Liar! Off with all their heads. :)

Don Bessee

So lurches state department set up media to be use as a shill for the po' ol' faknewsmand pee pee dossier-

Jonathan M. Winer, an official in John Kerry’s State Department, vouched for the credibility of anti-Trump dossier author Christopher Steele to two reporters before they each broke separate stories about the information contained in Steele’s largely discredited dossier, the two reporters revealed in their new book.
Winer gave his nod of approval for Steele to the reporters while he served at the State Department. The detail is particularly noteworthy since Winer’s purported green light was followed by one of the reporters, Michael Isikoff, penning a story on Yahoo News that was cited in a FISA court application signed by James Comey to obtain a warrant to monitor the communications of Carter Page.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2018/03/23/reporters-admit-consulting-kerry-state-dept-official-publishing-trump-dossier-articles/

;-)

Scott Obermuller

from Paul - "Did you vote for Bush 2nd time around Scott? Did you consider him to be a "very good president" ?"
The point is that Paul was unable to discern a lying phoney.
I never said Bush was a 'very good' POTUS. All of them come up short for various reasons.
Trump is proving to be a flawed POTUS on many fronts, but still a far, far better choice than Clinton. And probably better than the 'green libertarian' candidate.
Hopefully his legacy with SCOTUS picks will salvage the deal.
We don't get to choose who we want to be POTUS. We can only avoid the crooks and evil lying BSers. Trump has already done more good than the last 3 in office. I'll have to accept that for now as the best I can hope for.
We'll have a Dem back in the saddle next term or the one after. Maybe Shotgun Joe as he seems to be the pick o' the day. We can run the debt up through the roof and pass all sorts of laws and have fun. Sun comes up in the East and sets in the West.
Maybe Paul will find another liar like Obama to vote for and then discover he was fooled again. Won't be hard to do.

jon smith

GR 6:59-
"jons - 430pm - Why would we ever call McMaster a pariah after his honorable service to our country? Is that another aspect of the asinine picture you have of those who don't agree with you?"

I don't know. Norman Schwarzkopf, Colin Powell and of course John McCain were national heroes that the right turned on like a pack of rabid dogs once their expertise and honorable service were over and they didn't continue to goose step to neo-con demands. Seems a normal progression for so many Republican heroes.

Bill Tozer

js

Speaking only about McCain, McCain on most issues is a pariah to me exactly because he goose steps to new- cons’ demands. Perfectly in step, if not the leader. If McCain had his way, there would be 200,000 troops in Syria yesterday.
The neo-cons are the ones who are the war mongering globalists. His service in the military s irrevelant.

George Rebane

jons 840am - Thank you Mr smith for that revealing answer that illuminates your thinking about complex issues. May I summarize it with 'Gather as many tenuously linked things as possible into one tight grouping, and then paint the whole shebang with one robust primary color.'?

Bill Tozer

js

Where you the one that go upset because I and others were critizing John Lewis? What, he got his head bashed in in the mid-sixties and is now above reproach. Ok, what has he done for his district in the past 25 years? Can’t go there, he is forever beyond reproach, right?

1). I don’t know about you, but I not longer feel compelled to start every sentence directed to McCain, Dr. Rebane, Punchy, Lamb, Mr. Boardman, Walt, Charlie Rangel, and a host of others with the lead-in, “Thank you for you service” and then carefully walk on eggshells in fear a word might be taken as criticism of some American icon.

Still haven’t figured out why the Far Left (today’s mainstream lefties) mob defaced and busted up the Statue of Joan of Arc in the French Quarter down in Nahlens. An adopted icon bites the dust.

2). The Left loved McCain. He was even on Al Gore’s short list for VP. Yep, the Left and the media creamed their jeans over the Navy pilot until the day he ran against Obama. Now they love him again.....

3). The totality of McCain’s life will be considered later. History will prove kind to him. I can name several famous people who had views 180 digrees from their earlier writings. The Keating Five will just be a short chapter in a long book. John Brennan voted for the Communist Party candidate, which was a big plus for Obama when he was chosen to head the CIA.

4). All this dovetails with “What happened to the FBI?”. I do not feel compelled to start every FBI criticism of the rancid corrupt rot at the higher levels with the disclaimer, “Of course I am not talking about the hard working dedicated ethical men and women fiels agents of the FBI”

Like McCain, that was then, this is now. What have you done for me lately? You work for us, we don’t work for you.
McCabe will not be the only FBI or Justice Department administrator who will leave his job in disgrace. He lied under oath and lied to the FBI. His pension is the least of his worries. If moi were McCabe, I would be more concerned with prison time than my pension. Talk about Collusion and big time Obstruction of Justice, look at the top layers of the FBI, DOJ, NSA, CIA....

Robert Cross

In the "if you tell a lie long enough and loud enough" dept. trumpski tweeted once again this morning "there was NO COLLUSION with Russia, except by Crooked Hillary and the Dems!" This amidst trump's troubles finding attorneys crooked enough and/or willing to risk their careers defending him to which he tweeted "Many lawyers and top law firms want to represent me in the Russia case..."

The best way to determine the truth is to assume the truth is somewhere directly opposite of what the liar-in-chief says it is. If he says it's 'fake news" it probably is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

ArchieBunker

Playin' the ol' 'crooked Hillary and the Dems' song again. It's an oldie but a goodie. Keeps his mind off what is on Melania's mind.

George Rebane

Ah yes, the liberals' rules of evidence.

Gregory

Paul 1220

Where did I say Bush "was such a good president"? Please, a link.

I do recall saying a Republican would compare Bush to Kerry before voting for Bush.
If you have to make a choice:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=440l8poSQiA

Bill Tozer

Just what the FBI doesn’t need right now. The father of Omar Mateen (the Pulse Nightclub terrorist) was an FBI informant. When the FBI questioned the young Mateen for his terrorist ties, his old man talked the FBI out of pursuing his son.

“Martin said he considered trying to develop Mateen as an informant, like his father, after finding he didn’t have ties to terrorism. Omar Mateen would later claim allegiance to the Islamic State group in conversations with an Orlando police crisis negotiator as he carried out the mass shooting at Pulse.
Salman, 31, is accused of obstruction of justice and aiding and abetting Omar Mateen’s providing material support to a foreign terrorism organization.”

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/pulse-orlando-nightclub-shooting/os-noor-salman-pulse-trial-day-16-story.html

Withholding evidence from the defense is a no-no. Omar’s wife is on trail in a possible capital murder case for her role in the Pulse Nightclub Islamic terrorist attack. The government withholding evidence has shades of Bundy.....

Don Bessee

Then there was the fbi taking pictures at that Texas charli hebdo terrorist event. An epic fail in Florida, shrillary, pee pee and on and on and so on.

0 weaponized the DOJ and thus the FBI through appointments, assignments and promotions that were leveraged to career from appointee status. Sounds like it is time for a bunch of retirement offers v investigation. Cleans it out faster, lancing the boil if you will.

;-)

Bill Tozer

I can’t wait for Meuller wrap up his investigation and goes after that subversive traitor Trump.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sYp9WtbMo2k

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