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29 May 2018

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Ricky McVeigh

I’m sure the local lefties would be happy to be rid of you. I’d be willing to bet they’d even pay for your shipping boxes and U-Haul trailer.

Todd Juvinall

Oh McVeigh the mass killer, we love America and we stick up for freedom and individual rights. The difference is you hate the place as do your ilk. We are more than happy to see you happy in another venue where all you behold are fellow commies. Where would that be is now the question as the world has rejected you for the most part. Even the new leader in Zimbabwe is embracing capitalism after he saw the demise of his country under the communist Mugabe. You even wrecked that beautiful country.

Todd Juvinall

Hey GeorgeR, now you get to see what happens if you disagree with a liberal. Crabb and his lpals are all about censoring you and yet they cry out they are for "free speech". You cannot make this stuff up.

rl crabb

The only "lpals" I have are on my dinner jacket, Toddy.

Gregory

Just dropped by to leave a snotty comment, RL?

Frisch is sounding more and more like your old pal, Chris Hodgekinson. Unhinged. Unable to distinguish a Trump from Hitler.

Sorry, Steven, but were Trump wanting to turn the US into a 4th Reich, he wouldn't be courting voters who want to keep their guns... that isn't Hitlerian. Or Maoist. Or Stalinist. They all went the other way.

Todd Juvinall

Oh Crabby the spell checker. You libs crack me up. But you are afraid to allow dissent is even funnier.

Gregory is spot on about Frisch's extremist comments on Tump. But SF is not that smart apparently.

Scott Obermuller

The burning hatred against Trump is getting completely out of hand. There is no 'new' rule about standing for the anthem in the NFL. It's been on the books for quite a while. There is no 1st A issue. A player is free to protest peacefully any way he wishes. The govt will not and has not taken any action against a single player that has protested. That is a fact. But the players are paid entertainers and they work for the team owners. And the owners have every right to demand the players that are present on the field in view of the paying fans and the TV audience stand for the anthem. That has nothing to do with 'forced' patriotism. It has to do with fans exercising their right to not buy any more tickets and the TV audience turning the set off. If you don't like the power that money has over the players then I suggest you go suck eggs. Trump didn't invent or start that and the players can go work at Micky Ds or whatever if they are tired of the very generous salaries they are paid.
Most of what the players are protesting is bogus anyway. Wah! Such a racist country that pays me millions to run around on a field on Sunday and I have to live in a house bigger than that of almost anyone else on the entire planet. A bunch of ungrateful over-paid babies if you ask me. I'm far more impressed with the pro athletes that spend their own time and money (instead of their boss's) aiding the folks that need help in this country and elsewhere.
So listen up, lefties: You have the right to free speech. But we don't have to listen or care and you have no right to make anyone else pay for your speech. Got it?

Scott Obermuller

Gregory - "Sorry, Steven, but were Trump wanting to turn the US into a 4th Reich, he wouldn't be courting voters who want to keep their guns... that isn't Hitlerian. Or Maoist. Or Stalinist. They all went the other way."
The Trump haters are comparing Trump to Hitler simply because Hitler is the biggest boogey-man the left can conjure up. There is actually no similarity between the two. Well - they probably did (and do) both use flush toilets. So - there's that.
Oh! And they don't like either one of them. Of course I didn't like Obama or Hitler but I don't remember likening the two of them.
Hitler would have run circles around Obama. Obama would have been bowing before Hitler and Hitler would have been dreaming of the countries he can now take over without firing a shot. "Peace In Our Time!" Wave the piece of paper for the cameras Obama, as you get off the airplane. Big smile!

Todd Juvinall

Trump has a huge rally in Nashville tonight. He cracks me up. He doubles down on the PC crowd and shoves it in their face. "ANIMALS"! Pelosi and Schumer and Democrats can cry all they want about his use of that very appropriate word. It seems to me they called the KKK fools in Charlottesville the same thing. But Oh My! Since the press is their mouthpiece the people will not get to read or see that.

Scott Obermuller

https://www.facebook.com/editorial.political.cartoons/photos/rpp.422169184529965/1724453557634848/?type=3&theater
See!!!?? Trump is just exactly like Hitler!!!!
Remember the Juden in the '30s forcing themselves on Germany? Sure - you remember.
And the German cities spending tax payer money to shelter the Juden and suing Hitler?
Sure - you remember!
And during the war, the Juden sneaking into Germany and waving the Star of David flag during the protests? Sure - you remember!
I'm not sure there can be any sort of 'conversation' with people that fabricate history to suit their personal hatreds.
I'm waiting for the lefties to defend this outrageous cartoon.
How can history regret itself if history becomes a chimera that evolves to be anything sick people make it?

Scott Obermuller

"Trump has a huge rally in Nashville tonight."
This is what the lefties see -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1Dif-c-guY
They are un-hinged. Logic and reason is not possible with hate filled humans.

Todd Juvinall

Paul Emery and jonnieS are the locals you described so well at 723

Bill Tozer

The Great Gapping Gap, aka, Shawn King makes a fool out of himself again. And he is a note dude, lol.

This is happening right now, and the only debate that matters is how we force our government to get these kids back to their families as fast as humanly possible,” former Obama speechwriter Jon Favreau said on Twitter.

“I saw this photo floating around and didn’t know if it was real. It is,” Mr. King wrote, then lapsing into the present tense. “Children of immigrants are being held in cages, like dogs, at ICE detention centers, sleeping on the floor. It’s an abomination.”

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/may/28/illegal-immigrants-cages-photo-2014-enrages-libera/

Scott Obermuller

"It’s an abomination.”
Turns out it's an Obama-nation. The left has no guilt nor shame nor embarrassment.
They are wrong all day long but will always just change the subject.
Trump is 'literally Hitler' for the same things Obama was elected for.
And the lefties just run away.

M

,,,I imagine the Mueller '''witch hunt''' will continue about as long as the '''Whitewater witch hunt'''or the '''Birther witch hunt''',,,

Scott Obermuller

M - Whitewater was real. innocent people lost money on that scam. Hillary lied through her teeth about her involvement and the records she claimed she threw away were found in the trunk of a car towed for an unpaid repair bill, in Vince Foster's attic and some just magically showed up lying on a table in a secure area inside the White House.
https://www.nytimes.com/1996/06/05/us/hillary-clinton-s-fingerprints-among-those-found-on-papers.html
Of course you won't read the story since it's from a right wing 'unreliable ' source.
By some kind of strange machinations, we were never allowed to see any of the transcripts of her testimony in front of a grand jury.
There was no Birther witch hunt. Maybe M can name the special prosecutor assigned to investigate Obama's birth certificate? He is good at making things up.

Russ

People are fleeing Silicon Valley for Nevada, Texas and Idaho, report finds


Top 10 California counties that people are leaving

1. Santa Clara County

Out of state destinations: Arizona, Nevada, Texas and Idaho

In state destinations: Alameda, Sacramento, San Joaquin, Santa Cruz and Placer counties

2. San Mateo County

Out of state destinations: Arizona, Nevada, Texas and Washington

In state destinations: Alameda, Contra Costa, Santa Clara, Sacramento, and San Francisco counties

3. Los Angeles County

Out of state destinations: Nevada, Arizona, and Idaho

In state destinations: San Bernardino, Riverside, Ventura and Kern counties

4. Napa County

Out of state destinations: Arizona, Idaho, Nevada, Florida and Oregon

In state destinations: Solano, Sonoma, Sacramento, Lake and El Dorado counties

5. Monterey County

Out of state destinations: Arizona, Nevada, and Idaho

In state destinations: San Luis Obispo, Fresno, Santa Cruz, Sacramento and San Diego counties

6. Alameda County

Out of state destinations: Arizona, Nevada, Idaho, and Hawaii.

In state destinations: Contra Costa, San Joaquin, Sacramento, Placer, and El Dorado counties

7. Marin County

Out of state destinations: Nevada, Arizona, Oregon and Idaho.

In state destinations: Sonoma, Contra Costa, Solano and San Francisco counties

8. Orange County

Out of state destinations: Arizona, Nevada and Idaho

In state destinations: Riverside, Los Angeles, San Bernardino, San Diego and San Luis Obispo

9. Santa Barbara County

Out of state destinations: Arizona, Nevada and Idaho.

In state destinations: San Luis Obispo, Ventura, Los Angeles, Riverside and Kern counties

10. San Diego County

Out of state destinations: Arizona and Nevada

In state destinations: Riverside, San Bernardino, Imperial, Orange County and Los Angeles

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/05/31/people-are-fleeing-silicon-valley-for-nevada-texas-and-idaho-report-finds/

Note that none of the instate county destinations include Nevada County.

Russ

People are fleeing Silicon Valley for Nevada, Texas and Idaho, report finds


Top 10 California counties that people are leaving

1. Santa Clara County

Out of state destinations: Arizona, Nevada, Texas and Idaho

In state destinations: Alameda, Sacramento, San Joaquin, Santa Cruz and Placer counties

2. San Mateo County

Out of state destinations: Arizona, Nevada, Texas and Washington

In state destinations: Alameda, Contra Costa, Santa Clara, Sacramento, and San Francisco counties

3. Los Angeles County

Out of state destinations: Nevada, Arizona, and Idaho

In state destinations: San Bernardino, Riverside, Ventura and Kern counties

4. Napa County

Out of state destinations: Arizona, Idaho, Nevada, Florida and Oregon

In state destinations: Solano, Sonoma, Sacramento, Lake and El Dorado counties

5. Monterey County

Out of state destinations: Arizona, Nevada, and Idaho

In state destinations: San Luis Obispo, Fresno, Santa Cruz, Sacramento and San Diego counties

6. Alameda County

Out of state destinations: Arizona, Nevada, Idaho, and Hawaii.

In state destinations: Contra Costa, San Joaquin, Sacramento, Placer, and El Dorado counties

7. Marin County

Out of state destinations: Nevada, Arizona, Oregon and Idaho.

In state destinations: Sonoma, Contra Costa, Solano and San Francisco counties

8. Orange County

Out of state destinations: Arizona, Nevada and Idaho

In state destinations: Riverside, Los Angeles, San Bernardino, San Diego and San Luis Obispo

9. Santa Barbara County

Out of state destinations: Arizona, Nevada and Idaho.

In state destinations: San Luis Obispo, Ventura, Los Angeles, Riverside and Kern counties

10. San Diego County

Out of state destinations: Arizona and Nevada

In state destinations: Riverside, San Bernardino, Imperial, Orange County and Los Angeles

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/05/31/people-are-fleeing-silicon-valley-for-nevada-texas-and-idaho-report-finds/

Note that none of the instate county destinations include Nevada County.

George Boardman

You're wrong, Russ. My wife's cousin in San Mateo County just sold his house for $1.7 million cash ($150,000 over the asking price) and will be moving to Nevada County.

If California is such a crappy place to live (as you've been saying for years), why did you move to Lincoln instead of out-of-state when you left Nevada County? Talk's cheap.

George Rebane

GeorgeB 432pm - You're whistling past the graveyard Mr Boardman in denying that taxpayers are net exiting California. People who stay here as retireds are almost always staying to remain near their kids and grandkids. When it comes their turn to move, so do the oldsters no matter how successfully retired they are. Socialist California sadly gives more and more people the push they need to get off their butts, apply some common sense, and git. No one, not even you socialists, have come up with a vision of the future for California that does not include ever more taxes, regulations, and politically insane interference in our lives.

George Boardman

None of this seems to bother Russ, one of your fellow travelers.

Todd Juvinall

So Boardman has a rich cousin? woohoo! I know many folks that have left and the reason is economics. The Del Webb resort just past Boomtown has a huge number of Californians. But he is right that some win the lottery as they sell their homes in the Bay Area for a gazillion and have enough dough to stay. I am dating a gal right now that got $250,000 over her asking price and now she lives here. No kids, single woman. Paid cash for her now place in Scotia Pines and banked a lot left over.

People that have a fixed income are finding it tougher to stay. It all boils down to the dollar. Boardman, now do your due diligence and check my spelling.

Bill Tozer

“I imagine the Mueller '''witch hunt''' will continue about as long as the '''Whitewater witch hunt'''or the '''Birther witch hunt''',,,
Posted by: M | 30 May 2018 at 01:41 PM

Well, well, well M. Funny you should mention Whitewater.
I would like to see the draft indictment that Judge Kenneth Starr put together against Hillary Rodham Clinton that was ready to go until that Blue Dress thang appeared and Bubba’s lying to the Grand Jury and all that yucky stuff. Starr pivoted at that moment and the files on the draft indictment t of My Gal are buried in the National Archieves where not even Judicial Watch and a 1,000 FOIA requests can nudge them loose.

“FOIA requests and lawsuits seeking law enforcement records of potential or actual criminal prosecutions of living individuals are customarily rejected on privacy grounds. However, courts occasionally make exceptions in high-profile cases involving government officials.

Clinton's campaign dismissed the request as a cheap ploy.

"Trey Gowdy's discredited investigation is forcing right-wing groups to resort to the ultimate of dead horses from the Ken Starr era to keep up their partisan attacks on Hillary Clinton," Clinton campaign spokesman Brian Fallon said.

https://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2015/10/group-files-suit-for-hillary-clinton-whitewater-draft-indictments-214981

Aha! The Left has always hated that evil Trey Gowdy until just a few days ago.


Bill Tozer

Mr. Boardman, Russ is not wrong in the least. Nor did he even imply that Nevada County is not an in-state destination. Mr. Steele posted an article that listed ten (10) counties with the top five counties their residents left to. Surprised to see Santa Barbara, Orange, and San Diego counties all listed Los Angeles County in their top 5 in state destinations. Who in their right mind would want to move to LA?

Did not see Glenn County or Humbult County mentioned, but saw one Lake County for in-state destinations....but I failed to see nary a Nevada Country as a destination in the top 5 counties.
Just because your bride’s kissing cousin moved up to be closer to her in North Auburn. does not mean Russ is wrong.

Me thinks you need to loosen up your asshat....to go along with having your spectacles cleaned. What a dip shit.

George Rebane

GeorgeB 641pm - Your logic leaves much to be desired. Russ has yet to speak on the matter.

scenes

GeorgeB sez: "You're wrong, Russ. My wife's cousin in San Mateo County just ...."

lol. Well, there you have it.

http://exiledonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/picture-11-450x360.jpg

George Rebane

scenes 1012pm - Yep, that was my 1004pm point. For liberals any suitable anecdotal event that serves their narrative, will completely sweep away any and all contradictory aggregate and/or synoptic data. Unfortunately, the massive constituencies of the Left have shown no ability to distinguish between information generated from the two types of data, whether such arguments are put forward in ignorance or with the intent to bamboozle. Believing Mr Boardman to be an honorable and good-hearted man, we must then in his case vote for the former.

scenes

GeorgeR@9:58AM

Perhaps we could ask him about his sister's goddaughter's stepfather's experience in these matters. I mean, heavens above, there's some real knowledge here.

Back to matters at hand:

"Please tell us the difference between the forced patriotism of Hitler and Trump."

You know, when I read something like that, it's obvious that he's an unserious thinker. There's really nothing to be said since any argument just puts you in the same word salad as the original speaker.

George Boardman

My comment about my wife's cousin (which is true) was a sarcastic reply to Steele's observation about nobody moving to Nevada County, but I don't expect you guys to get that.

Steele has been complaining on this blog as long as I've been reading it about how crappy things are in California, pointing approvingly to the exodus of people from the state. But when he gets a chance to join them, he moves to Lincoln instead.

That suggests three possible scenarios:

--The attractions of the Golden State overpower the damage the socialists are doing;

--Steele has been exaggerating the state's supposed shortcomings, probably to bolster his own sour view of the state;

--He's a hypocrite.

You decide.

Still not willing to identify yourself, scenes? No guts, no glory.

Todd Juvinall

It appears GeorgeB is a faux socialist. Cali has the largest poverty rate and the most homeless. Hosing is the most expensive. Cost of living is so high it has 30 year old kids unable to move out from mm and dad's. Who will clean GB house now that the middle class is outta here? Oh maybe those poor brown folks? Hypocrite.

Bill Tozer


Mr. Boardman

“Steele's observation about nobody moving to Nevada County, but I don't expect you guys to get that.”

Steele did not say nobody is moving to Nevada County. That is my sole point. Guess you have a big problem with the Mercury News and their journalists. Take it up with them.
Neither would I say nobody is moving to Modoc County or Sierra County. When Kaiser stopped serving Nevada County residents about 10 years ago?, some retirees (with heart problems) moved from Nevada County to Placer County. I said some, not all.

Yeah, the point is we have been bitching about what California has become. In my view, Scott O said it best, diplomatically speaking. Scott said we don’t hate CA, we are saddened by what CA has become. I would say, less diplomatically, I am sickened what CA is becoming. Now, am I sickened by what CA is becoming here in my very specific view out the back deck? No. I got mine, the rest of you can fuck off, right?

Most of the sickening stuff is what I read in the papers and does not affect me. Do I have to walk through the streets of East LA or Oakland or the Hypodermic Santuary Cities of the sweet human poop near the Wharf Rats or other shithole places like that on a daily basis? No. Do we see Sierra College Campus students setting fires and busting up ATMs and breaking the windows of the nearby Briar Patch because....because..... nothing controversial goes on here, except your neighbor kid that tortured a possum. That was the biggest news around these parts since the one-off of Scott Thorpe, and that was only 2-3 people killed out of over 100,000 county residents....years ago.

Do we spent 45 minutes a day or two hours a day sitting in bumper to bumper traffic? No. Heck, the problems are so petty here the Fat Fuk demands to see the police report and demands this and that because a robber calmly hands a teller a note in his Ozzie and Harriet neighborhood or gets upset because some local market puts up a poster advertising kangaroo jerkey that is not locally grown, ROFLMAO.
Nope, my eyes do not even have to gaze on the Fat Fuk even once on a yearly basis, a most fortunate thang for me and society in general.

I have it good here. I have had it good in other places and have had it bad.

White flight is real. Urban flight is real. Moving closer to where the grandkids are is real. Airmen involuntarily reassigned from Kansas or Bum, Egypt to Beale AFB (and renting a place in our county) is real. Moving here voluntarily is real, moving out of CA is real.

Going where the work is is real. Now, if I was a 30 something and had some rugrats and wanted a little bigger home I could afford and a yard and better Qof L and safe neighborhoods, I would move out of CA and get a little elbow room I could afford..or, if I was in my 20s, 30s, and even early 40s again, I would do what I have always done....go where the work is, be it in jungles of South America, Louisiana, the Northwest, Arizona, Austin, Southern Cal, or even Grass Valley, CA.

I got a sweet spot here, so I am staying put. Got the checks coming in month in and month out, mortgage cheaper than renting a delapitated shack with dirt floors in the barrio.....but at one time in my life, I vowed never to live in CA again.....before this turned into a big shithole “Progressive” state. “Bring us your rapists, your dope dealers, your criminals, your leeches, your wife beaters, your homeless, your mentally ill” says the statue of Tyranny found in every major CA city....as our roads crumble and our overlords write realms of regs and “user fees” on a monthly basis.

Don’t blame Russ for what is real. Lots of folks are leaving Silicon Valley for Placer and El Dorado counties and further east. You left SF.

http://www.breitbart.com/california/2018/06/01/masters-of-the-universe-people-fleeing-silicon-valley-for-texas-and-nevada/

Russ

George Boardman | 01 June 2018 at 04:32 PM, 01 June 2018 at 06:41 PM and 02 June 2018 at 02:01 PM

Dear George B.

I did not get it wrong; I reported what was in the Mercury News, and then did some observational analysis. According to the report, Nevada County was not listed as a destination.

I am pleased to read your relative is moving to Nevada County, but I would like to point out one data point does not make a trend.

Ah yes, my move to Lincoln:

1) Intervention by two daughters, "get the hell out of snow country before global cooling arrives."

2) Grandkids live in Roseville and Granite Bay, soon to be off to University and life of their own, and their grandmother wanted more face time. Another state is not an option until the daughters one and two move to Oregon when they retire. Number four left NC for Seattle last month. Number three left CA six years ago for Seattle.

3) UC Davis Medical Service is keeping me alive, it was a 120-minute drive for every appointment and lab test. I am now five minutes from my care providers and the Infusion Center. Every month we celebrate LIFE at the Fusion Center. Come by sometime the staff is incredible!

4) Living in Lincon Hills like a cruise ship on land, we have every possible service an 80-year-old can imagine, two indoor gyms, pools, hot tubs, each exercise machine has an entertainment center with Fox News. Neighborhood wine parties every month.

5) We are experiencing the benefits of the Placer County Legacy, a comprehensive open space plan that preserves the diversity of plant and animal communities in the County while allowing economic development which is everywhere. Nevada County f**ked up NH2020, and economic growth is in the tank! Go figure! Oh, Placer County was on the move list in several places.

Nevada County cannot decide what it what to be, and you cannot get there from here if you do not know where you are going. Larry Burkhardt last November gave the ERC a detailed analysis of economic development failures and a plan to go forward. Have you seen the program? Doubt you will as no one in leadership wants to admit to the real problem, lack of clear vision of the future. How are you helping define that vision? Oh?

Bill Tozer

Another one bits the dust. Packing up the rugrats and moving out of the county....closer to wife’s parents. Hope they have a spare bedroom or three.

http://www.morganhilltimes.com/news/schools/arnett-resigns-from-school-board-moving-out-of-area/article_3dd759a8-65e4-11e8-ba60-4f03f5441d50.html?mode=jqm

steve frisch

"We are experiencing the benefits of the Placer County Legacy, a comprehensive open space plan that preserves the diversity of plant and animal communities in the County while allowing economic development which is everywhere. Nevada County f**ked up NH2020, and economic growth is in the tank! Go figure! Oh, Placer County was on the move list in several places."

The irony of this is so rich that I could not resist commenting on it. I seem to remember making this point about 10 years ago.

Todd Juvinall

The Placer Legacy? And you all still sue the crap out of every project until you get your extortion money. You guys in the Martis Valley are the local mafia. I have to hand it too you though, you steal legally.

Russ

Steven@02:04 AM

The differences between Placer Legacy and NH2020 goals were huge. Placer Legacy was about protecting areas that need protection and then opening the marginal rangeland surrounding the protected areas for development. NH2020 was about safeguarding Nevada County from any economic growth. Two different views of the future, one open and reasonable the other closed and beyond reason. The Placer Legacy Board was open and inclusive, and the NH2020 Board was closed and exclusive. Placer Legacy Board included developers and environmentalist, and the NH2020 Board excluded developers. Placer Legacy was a success and NH2020 a failure.

George Rebane

Russ 652am - excellent summary of the differences Russ. I think it still important to hear from SteveF as to the logic behind his 204am, else it stands as a farfetched attempt to justify more command and control in Nevada County which already suffers from a surfeit of it.

Gregory

It was Steven Frisch's wretchedly misnamed Sierra Business Council (it was not and is not a council of businesses) that *defined* the lack of trust endemic to NH2020 in Nevada County.

The Gang of Four and Frisch's SBC tried to ram NH 2020 through. Didn't work.

Walt

Some property we sold a while back was rezoned during the NH2020 land grab. 120 acres worth. It was zoned AG./ residential before. THEN,,, changed to 10 acre min. ag/res/planned development.
Yup, sounded good,, right? Well.. Those who bought the land found out otherwise. Yes, they could split it into tens,, but would only allow FOUR homes to be built and in a cluster, centered in the damned middle of the existing parcel. Where the road was to go, they "found" plenty of "endangered" plants and vernal pools.(where tree stumps used to be.)
The County basically made it unusable for anything. It's been up for sale by those we sold it to for two years now.

Come to think of it, it was someone from Truckee that we sold it to. I wounder what they would say if they actually knew Stevey was one who helped screw them over?
No one really knew what would happen once any development started. No real plan under that "planned" development idea of the county.

Todd Juvinall

Those were heady times. Drew Bedwell and Robyn Sutherland and others took back the county from those loons.

M

It's the housing prices stupid!

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/06/03/nearly-half-of-bay-area-residents-say-they-want-to-leave/

fish

Posted by: M | 03 June 2018 at 11:51 AM


Well no shit you empty headed pants load!

Bill Tozer

@11:51
Lol, Fish beat me to the punch.
It is a good link to read nonetheless. Many come here with vacationers’ eyes and would love to raise their families here, but no job prospects. Many would love to move to Tahoe or the beach, but housing too high. Goldilocks wants it just right. Great jobs, affordable housings and a place like Cheers, where everybody knows your name. Decisions, decisions. “What to leave in what to leave out....against the wind.”

“Over the past two or three years, Sacramento-based real estate agent Craig Diez has been flooded with Bay Area residents interested in relocating to his town. He estimates they now make up a quarter of his clients. They’re drawn by significantly cheaper prices, he said. Homes are selling for a median price of $867,000 in the Bay Area, compared to $300,000 in Sacramento, according to Zillow.

I would add that it is not just housing prices, but also your station in life. Young people are looking for the starter home, a foot in the door, any door. Mididle age workers are in their peak earning years and saving for retirement, kid’s colleges, and Daddy’s little girls’ weddings. They are staying put and cracking the monthly nut. Retired are ready to cash in the chips and downsize....and move out and on to greener pastures.
Q of L does matter, especially to those with younger families who want to,raise their kids in a better environment...a more wholesome environment. Wholesome I say.

So, M....do,your part and drop the price of your home by 40% and move out. You go first and others will follow ya, not. Go tell Boardman to cut his SF rental by 60% and see how that flies. Then tell Pelline to sell his house at a price you deem affordable so others can move into it and make a nice profit....by not selling. Then say that to me. You know what I would say. Or, tell the lumber yards, supply houses, furniture stores, county permit offices, fee department, inspection department, builders, and the tax office that their prices are just too damned high.

M’s link says.....

When asked to pinpoint the most important problem facing the Bay Area, 42 percent of those surveyed said housing...18 percent said traffic and congestion, 14 percent cited poverty and homelessness, and 12 percent said the cost of living.

Hmmmm. Looks like it more than just housing. Housing is the big one, but not the only one.
“Those problems spell serious disillusionment for Bay Area residents. Fifty-five percent of residents polled said they feel the Bay Area has “gotten pretty seriously off on the wrong track,” compared to 42 percent last year.........no shit, you Progressive lame brains. What was your first clue??

Russ

Forbes: Number One in Poverty, California Isn't Our Most Progressive State -- It's Our Most Racist One

Everyone thinks California is our most progressive state. And why not? It imposes the highest tax on the richest one percent. It is aggressively implementing Obamacare. And it is standing up to President Donald Trump on everything from immigration to the environment.

And yet the Golden State is also number one in poverty and inequality in America.

How can this be? Around the world, progressive economies like those of Sweden, France, and Germany, which redistribute wealth through high taxes and generous social welfare policies, boast far less poverty and inequality than other nations.


What gives? And how does California maintain its reputation as a progressive leader given the reality on the ground?

If racism is more than just saying nasty things — if it is, as scholars like James Baldwin, Ta-Nehisi Coates, Michelle Alexander and countless others have described, embedded into socioeconomic structures — then California isn’t just the least progressive state. It’s also the most racist.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2018/05/31/number-one-in-poverty-california-isnt-our-most-progressive-state-its-our-most-racist-one/

I wonder which political party was in power to embed all that racism in our socio-economic structures? Humm? The legislature has been controlled by Democrats more than 90 percent of the time since 1992. You decide, was it the Progressive Democrats?

Todd Juvinall

I saw a story somewhere that said blacks are leaving and returning to the south. What is the number? Anyone know?

Todd Juvinall

Check out this latest California poll. 16% R's and well you get the picture. Bt there are some real tidbits that will cause you to ponder them.

https://files-west-stanford-edu.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/billlanecenter-yougov-ca_primary_toplines_20180524.pdf

Todd Juvinall

Oh and 37% of the respondents to this poll were not registered to vote! Page 18

George Rebane

Progressive epiphanies like that of M's 1151am are extremely shallow in their perception, if they are on the mark at all. Yes, high housing price drive people elsewhere, but what causes housing prices to increase - the easy answer is that supply is not meeting demand. But what is choking off supply? Now that's a hard one for people selling socialism to understand - it's the government stupid, it's always the government. We must never forget that for all social problems, you seldom go wrong believing government is guilty until proven innocent. And that's doubly true the more collectivist is the government - in the US California leads the way spiraling into the toilet.

scenes

Russ@1:08PM

From the forbes article:

"Meanwhile, inside comfortable homes perched atop Berkeley and Beverly Hills, affluent progressives condemn the cruelty of the Trump administration toward the poor."

lol. That pretty much sums it up.

The thing I've learned from California is that, to the poor, a so-called 'progressive' state is no different than the most redneck ones. If anything, the main bounty that the well-heeled Californian gives to the down 'n out is inflated prices for everyday items.

So really, what does a higher income and higher taxes get you?

As far as I can tell it's basically an income and wealth transfer from those with a little money to what is basically a huge bureaucratic jobs program. A welfare system for the governmental and non-profit middle class, not the poor.

It's a funny thing, and probably not dissimilar to a lot of the Third World.

fish

Ooh....:sounds like a doughy former Chicagoan is about to roll out a new product offering now that Climate Action Plans aren’t selling so well!


It's Now Against The Law In California To Shower And Do Laundry On The Same Day


https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-06-03/its-now-against-law-california-shower-and-do-laundry-same-day

Todd Juvinall

And who was the song babe that said one tissue for a wipe? We are saving the planet!

George Rebane

fish 322pm - At outfits like SBC, they are popping the champagne as the leviathan grows. Meanwhile, anyone paying attention to the acre feet we're not storing and pouring into the Pacific?

Bill Tozer

To repeat a long story, (but in the Readers’s Digest version) concerning my invite to a celebration of life with the a nice group of young techie couples with little crumb snatchers running around in Silicone Valley whom all said the same thing when I butted into their personal business. A twist on the old saying “House rich, cash poor.”
They all said they were “house poor and cash rich” and looking for something like a two bedroom apartment. The host, a fine young couple, found their little Dream starter house in Gilroy, the closest thing they could find. Small, old, nice old neighborhood, and only 8-900k. They were the only home owners in the group and the only ones that had separate bedrooms for the kids. The rest were spinning their wheels.

Cash rich, house poor. Guess it’s better than

Russ

Joel Kotkin this morning on California:

Most importantly, California, which once led the nation in population growth, is decidedly slowing down with growth last year below the national average as a result of strong domestic out-migration, faltering immigration, and a lower-than-average birth rate.

Read the whole article HERE.

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BillT@5:18PM

I'm surprised that I haven't heard of long term leases (essentially purchases) being cooked up on houses that have been owned a long time. I'd go to a lot of trouble to avoid $1000-$1500 / month in property taxes.

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Russ@7:02AM

From your article:

"High rents have added to the appeal of the redistributionist agenda of what the 538 website has called a Democratic version of the “tea party”—free college, rent control and subsidies, and guaranteed jobs. "

That's a pretty good short 'n sweet statement defining what is currently the loudest of the Democratic coalition. I expect that candidates will tend to be white females, often with non-traditional backgrounds and home situations.

It's probably not healthy for the country, but these memes have a life of their own. I wouldn't be surprised if you could find a cycle at work.

Bill Tozer

Russ @ 1:08 pm, June 3.

Just a note to say you have been posting good thought provoking links lately. Keep up the good work.

Bill Tozer

Meuller stuff.

https://saraacarter.com/pandoras-box-trump-russia-may-expose-extent-of-five-eyes-spying/#

Timeline. I keep going over timelines. But one thing did not fit. The Podesta e-mails. The DNC e-mails. Then it hit me. The infamous 30,000 “missing” Hillary e-mails ain’t part of the Russian Narrative. The fakenews folks have combined it all into one. Podesta fell for a old phishing trick. Hillary smashed and bleach boted her server. The latter has nothing to do with the Russian Collusion, neither does the Podesta Files, except for a handy scapegoat to pin it on.
FBI can’t look at those DNC servers or Gillary’s campaign files. The same lawyers who hired GPS Fusion also hired some private security company called Crossworks or something like that. Nothing to see here, Russians did it. Move on people. Trust us.

But, here is a scenario to play with. If our deep state cloak and dagger dudes can capture every e-mail, every word I type right now, everything I ever said on a cell phone for the last few years, anything anybody has sent down the information highway....then that’s were the 30,000 e-mails should be. With them.
But........suppose they are looking for those 30,000 e-mails precisely because they are not where they should be. That would explain the behind the scenes worldwide call for everybody to keep their ears open....for anything. They want the files to destroy them...not to find them. That’s Meuller’s job.

Nothing to do with Podesta or the DNC or The Kremlin buying $35,000 worth of ads/posts of FB, most of which not viewed.


Russell

Do you know any of these Influencers? They are meeting to shape the future of Calfornia:

http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/influencers/article212209234.html?

George Rebane

Russell 455pm - and almost all of them are sucking on the public (aka OPM) tit.

Russell

Bill Tozer | 04 June 2018 at 11:51 AM

Thanks, Bill. I often wonder does anyone read my comments. Good to know that you do.

M

,,,oh dear,,,all the trumpski meat heads can do is shoot the messenger,,,sounds about right...

,,,your idiot Chief choice just caused the price of Canadian lumber to go up 30%...

,,,your housing prices just went up across the nation!!!

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GeorgeR@6:20PM

lol. That's exactly what I was going to say.

It's hard to tell what real experience university officials, legislators, union management, and non-profit Grand Poobahs bring to the table, but I'll hazard that it's not a lot.

fish

Posted by: M | 05 June 2018 at 07:25 AM

,,,your housing prices just went up across the nation!!!


Oh Dugski.....hadn't you been paying attention......housing prices had been going up for the last three or four years trade wars notwithstanding!

A consequence of all that debased Federal Reserve debt/money.


Maybe you should go pirate "Solo" or sumpin! More productive use of your time!


George Rebane

Re lumber and housing prices. Nothing made housing prices go up higher than the progressive econuts killing the American timber industry - led, of course, by California. Which indicates an easy way to reduce the cost of lumber in these United States.

M

,,, cannot wait for the cedar logging to commence locally,,,lord know we need more fences!!!

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