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30 July 2018


Paul Emery

George you must admit that Trump inherited a much better economy than did Obama.


Paul, you must admit that Obama inherited half the national debt that Trump did, and that it was collapse of the Democratic Party sacred cows Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac that caused the world of hurt that Obama inherited in the first place.

George, local IT tech Michael P. Anderson went on the record over a year ago that anyone not clamoring for Trump's removal was being treasonous... it isn't a new thought.

Paul Emery

So Gregory then you believe the economy was in worse shape in 2017 than it was in 2008.


What words to that effect did I write, Paul?

Your straw man don't jump.

George Rebane

PaulE 1151am - We talked about this, I've given it some more thought since then. My conclusion is that at best it's a toss up, and more likely from the point of recovery, Trump inherited a worse economy than did Obama. Why? Because our economic history demonstrates that had Obama just left things alone in 2009, the recovery would have traced the same pattern that it had from recessions for over a century. Instead Obama did about every dumb trick in the book to slow the recovery to a crawl, and then continued to pile on taxes, regulations, and stultifying laws to bake in the "new normal" of 2%/yr.

Trump inherited this mess and had to go through some considerable effort get things off the dime by repatriating offshore monies, reducing taxes, and rolling back butt-stupid regulations. He also had to appear to commerce and consumers like a president who understood the role of a resurgent and vibrant economy for impacting the future of America, this in order to get people out there again looking for jobs (specifically the minorities) and spending money for today AND tomorrow. What a difference an election makes, but your side is doing its damnest to get back in and roll us back on the path (to socialism) that Obama laid out for us, and showed us what it was like to walk it.


Why not compare the economy from 2013 to 2017? It looks to me like Obama was getting nowhere once the flurry of government cash died down.

I'm liking the word 'traitor'. It is so overused by the Left, that it'll end up in the same bin with 'fascist', 'vile', 'racist', 'hate', 'bigot', etc.

Listen, if you guys are so riled up, why don't you just start your revolution? A bunch of shrieking kids wearing masks in Portland just ain't cuttin' it.

Paul Emery


I have been called from participants on this blob a Facist, a Communist, a Nazi a Racist a Traitor a Sexist a on and on and on. Don't think that it's only the left that throws out accusations of being a Traitor or whatever.

Paul Emery


Lets start with the Stock Market George. Here's 2008:

The DJIA hit a market low of 6,443.27 on March 6, 2009, having lost over 54% of its value since the October 9, 2007 high.

Here's jan 2017 19,881.76

That's a tripling of the market George. Are you saying Trump inherited a worse stock market condition than Obama?

George Rebane

PaulE 147pm - Did you not understand my 105pm? Why scurry for the stock market? Stock markets are not the defining parameter of an economy, they can sink or soar in a day if not minutes. Obama left Trump with a stagnant and sclerotic economy that required wisdom and a wholly different policy to revive. Obama needed to do nothing to revive our economy, he just had to get the f#ck out of the way - but that is not the way of central planners and controllers. Also see scenes' 112pm for another relevant observation. Obamanomics was the engine that couldn't - wind it up and watch it stand still.


re: Paul Emery@1:38PM "I have been called from participants on this blob a Facist, a Communist, a Nazi a Racist a Traitor a Sexist a on and on and on. "

It's 'fascist', from 'fasces', one of those bundle of sticks-with-an-axe thingies that lictors used to tote around.

If anyone called you a Nazi it was all in fun since you are obviously a Commie.

Enough with the equivalency arguments though. It's obvious that the Right (and more specifically the thing that the Right is becoming) got the brunt of nearly all of it and, more interestingly, nobody much cares anymore. All of those hated middle class folks with just regular jobs are starting to find something in common with each other and a bit of a shared political voice. The infamous silent majority is becoming less so.

Where do we end up? Dunno. But I rather like all the hullaballoo.



LOL! Paul coming to the aid, and now defending "O".
Jesus H. Christ Paul, we all lived through the same 8 crappy years
of "O", and now you try and "revise" it? You know damned well "O" ran the nation into the ground via regs and taxes.
The oil industry figured a way AROUND "O"andCo. They went to private lands to drill. Remember that?
"O"'s buds sure got rich on the taxpayer dime. Solyindra ring a bell?

Don Bessee

A candidate for todays fakewnews of the day in the era of Trump -


Too rich, newsweeks snowflakes do not even know when the civil war started!



I guess Paul wants to return to massive unemployment and choking taxes. You agree with the Queen of the DEMNED? "Unemployment, food stamps, and welfare are good for America" Paul must agree. That's what he bitching about. Trump put a BIG dent in all of that.

Don Bessee

'I guess Paul wants to return to massive unemployment and choking taxes.'

Wont matter to him, he has his government subsidized KVMR and old fart fed benefits. Something tells me he gets the earned income tax credit so its others who get choked by taxes.



I would hate to have him as a Great Grandpa. "Gee.. Thanks Gramps,
No, I don't want to live in your basement."


,,,po' ol' Trump Lemming Cultists,,,TLC,

just can't stop making shit up,,,


Bill Tozer

The Stock Market? Well, Facebook made 3.4 billion instead of the expert expectations of 3.5 billion and had a 40% growth in profit and that tanked Zuckie. The Stock Market is not Main St or an good indicator of the here and now.....only looks at tomorrow. Not a good economic indicator all in all.

Goods new for our friends suffering with TAD.



I can’t resist. Yep, he is a commie pinko.



You go with that Dougy. LIB media tried to make "O" look good.
Funny how they would rail on one set of numbers,, then bury the revised DOWN GRADE in the obituary.
Nice try "lavender", Now go peddle your BS over at Mommy Jones.

Don Bessee

13:53, 13:54, 13:55 ………..

“This information on the Trump Tower meeting — that’s not the best information Cohen has.” To which both Cooper and Dershowitz responded: “How do you know that?”

Avenatti stuttered, remarkably unprepared for the most obvious response to his ridiculous statement, then said he won’t explain how he knows these things. Dershowitz responded that Avenatti may have to answer that question in front of an ethics committee: “If they ask you how you had a conversation with a man who was represented by a lawyer and you didn’t ask his lawyer’s permission, and his lawyer is now apparently complaining about that.”

Dershowitz’s response was to stick to whether Avenatti committed an ethical violation: “Are you saying specifically that you were given permission by Michael Cohen’s lawyer to have that conversation with him in the restaurant? That’s a question you should answer specifically, because if you weren’t given permission to have that conversation with Michael Cohen you may have to answer to an ethics committee.”

This is uncontroversial. Dershowitz is an expert on this matter. Avenatti then immediately damned himself: “Alan, Alan guess who gave me permission? Michael Cohen. He gave me permission.”

Dershowitz replied that this is not enough. And he’s right. But it is enough to admit guilt on Avenatti’s part. He strongly implied he didn’t receive permission and therefore violated ABA code. Worst of all his attitude indicates he doesn’t care.



Paul Emery

Hoseman Bessee

Are you saying I don't deserve my Social Security ?


Trumporama has been the most entertaining circus I have been to in a long time, better than Jersey Shore!!!


PE sez: "Are you saying I don't deserve my Social Security ?"

In the sense that it was subsidized, probably not. People at the lower end get more out than they put it, although it's not as extreme as Medicare.

If you had reported the tip jar to the IRS all of these years, you might be closer to break even.


shit gets real


Trump vs the Pelline/Emery/Koch party. My money is on Mr. Two Scoops o' Ice Cream.


Trump announces illegal family reunification zone:



One more.

I knew it all along.....



,,,latest side show comedy routine by Trump,,,


Bill Tozer

@7:16 am

Ah, more proof.



Posted by: ’’’M’’’ | 31 July 2018 at 07:18 AM

It's good to see all the tired old hippies suddenly spring to the defense of NATO as they morph into Americas new Cold Warrior class!

Remember dugski....don't ask, don't tell.


" tired old hippies suddenly spring to the defense of NATO as they morph into Americas new Cold Warrior class!"

I have to admit that it is a curiosity. I'm not sure what NATO is protecting against anymore. Also, the fact that the EU is a much tighter political union than was found in 1950's Europe might just imply they can look out for themselves.

The sad part is that it (Trumphate, mostly) keeps the US from pivoting to where the real national adversary will likely pop up, which is China. It's flat embarrassing.

I guess that you always fight the last war, but the mouth breathers in pussyhats aren't helping.


Posted by: scenes | 31 July 2018 at 08:35 AM

I'm not sure what NATO is protecting against anymore.......

Other than the buildings I'm not sure there's anything worth defending!

Russia it seems would rather sell Europe natural gas than roll tanks through the Fulda gap! Frankly.....Europe has a much bigger issue.....surviving the "cancer" threat that "multikulti" poses!

Thanks Brussels!

Bill Tozer

@ 08:43

Thank goodness you are talking about it. I have been longing for a national conversation about the role of NATO in today’s world. Today’s role seems to be to contain Russia by expanding up to Russia’s borders, a act of provocation in and of itself.

NATO was never ever intended to encroach into the buffer zone countries between the East and West per NATO’s founder as his writings warned us against such current policies.

Not saying there is no place for NATO, albeit I wonder what Turkey is doing in NATO considering only 6-7% of its land mass is in Europe, but I digress. Neither am I saying defense is not important or pooh-poohing National Security concerns.
Guess the US is in NATO to pay for Europe’s defense. What, the other 28 member countries aren’t up to the job? Obliviously not. Only 6% of Germany's NATO troops are prepared for an mission lasting more than 30 days. Germany does not have the food, tents, or gear for a winter assignment lasting more than a week. All of it’s troop and cargo transport planes are currently inoperable, grounded, unfit and unsafe at any speed.

The EU started off as a economic union. Over time, it became a political union, which is the sole reason for Brexit. The very morning after Brexit, plans to form a EU army were thrown on the EU table. They were already drawn up and ready to go. Is NATO now just an EU Army? The EU’s economy is ten times that of Russia. Anybody see a problem here?
Trump was the first and only President in the Post War era to campaign on better relations with Russia. He said “Who knows, it’s worth a try.” Another trading partner...or (from the eyes of a businessman and builder) a way to get the US into Russia’s markets and maybe finding areas of agreements using trade to lower the temperature and open some doors in country to country relations. Heck, it’s one of the reasons we allow so many foreign students in the US....returning to their countries as mini ambassadors for our country. Guess it was not meant to be prima facie, yet Trump is undeterred. Worth a try and worth trying again.
Meanwhile, Germany took advantage of the opening and got Russian natural gas coming directly into their country from Russia passing through the Ukraine another smaller countries directly to Germany. Go figure. Guess we will be in another war if that pipeline is ever cut off by Putin..safeguarding Germany’s voluntary energy dependence on Russia, lol. Well, Angie is a former East German soldier.

Just a dialogue about the role of NATO would be a good start. So far that dialogue has been resisted mightily by the Cold War II warriors. . Ok, Cold War II warriors, containment is your goal. I get it. When Russia is driven into the arms of China and they become closer allies, what will be the policy then? More containment? Keep you friends close and your enemies closer.

George Rebane

BillT 1028am - In any discussion of NATOs role in Russian containment, one should consider -
1. Russia's declining workforce demographic,
2. Russia's growing problem with Islam,
3. China's interest in Russia is focused on getting control resource-rich eastern (trans-Ural) Siberia. China needs Russia for nothing else.
4. Russia has always attempted to integrate with Europe and become part of the European community of countries. But that requires a level of trust that disappeared with the Bolshevik revolution, and it has never returned.

Don Bessee

Here is one for the po' ol' pollhead -


The future, he predicted, would feature Trump as America’s leader at least for another six years. “I think that not just because of the strong economy and the fact that people are going to see increasingly rising wages,” Romney said, “but I think it’s also true because I think our Democrat friends are likely to nominate someone who is really out of the mainstream of American thought and will make it easier for a president who’s presiding over a growing economy.”



Don Bessee

Its the economy stupid -

WASHINGTON — U.S. workers saw their annual wages and benefits rise in the second quarter at the fastest pace in nearly a decade, a sign that the low unemployment rate is forcing employers to raise pay to attract and keep workers.

Pay and benefits for all U.S. workers increased 2.8 percent in the April-June quarter from a year earlier, the most since the third quarter of 2008. Total compensation for private industry workers — which excludes state and local employees — rose 2.9 percent, the best since the second quarter of 2008.

The unemployment rate is near an 18-year low of 4 percent, leaving employers scrambling to find the workers they need. There are more open jobs than there are unemployed workers, according to government data, for the first time since records began in 2000.

A separate measure of wages and salaries for private sector workers rose 2.9 percent in the past year, matching March's gain and the highest in nearly a decade.



Don Bessee

Sure looking that way -

A Chicago-based newspaper columnist predicted re-election for President Trump in 2020 after witnessing first-hand the enthusiastic support for the president among blue-collar workers.
Neil Steinberg attended a recent appearance by the president at a U.S. Steel facility in Granite City, Illinois, outside St. Louis. He wrote about speaking to steel workers and seeing how Trump connected with the audience.

The workers, for their part, couldn’t give him a standing ovation because they never sat down.
I left the hall thinking: Donald Trump is going to be re-elected in 2020. The Democrats don’t have anyone who can touch him. Bank on it. Don’t hate me for being the one to tell you.



Don Bessee

Talk about desperate -

Because most of that land falls on the eastern, more conservative part of the state, one of the leaders of the group, Marcus Ruiz Evans, noted in a prepared statement that a side benefit would be to create a “buffer zone between Donald Trump's America and the new independent California Republic.”



Bonnie McGuire

George R your site is truly wonderful in that you speak your opinion, and then allow others to express theirs also. So revealing who the real hypocrats are. Another local site always labels individuals extremists if they don't agree with the producer. And won't even let those who disagree do so. Those who do are hammered, and eventually censored. Too damned funny that this mentality has abused the meaning of liberal! Even funnier is those who inhabit that totalitarian website come to yours in order to express their viewpoint. Bless you're heart GR for your intelligence and generosity!

Don Bessee

Emperor XI has no silk clothes -



Bill Tozer

Back to NATO and Traitors. For a gut check, Pat Buchanan always has a good perspective on such matters.


George Rebane

BonnieM 751pm - Thanks for the kind words Bonnie.

Don Bessee

Its the economy stupid -

Medium-sized businesses, which employ 50 to 499 people, added the most payrolls in July as they created 119,000. Larger businesses, meanwhile, expanded their payrolls by 48,000. Small businesses, which employ one to 49 people, say payrolls grow by 52,000.

Meanwhile, the goods-producing sector saw payrolls increase by 42,000, led by a 23,000 gain in manufacturing jobs and 17,000 additions in construction.
"The labor market is on a roll with no signs of a slowdown in sight," said Ahu Yildirmaz, vice president and co-head of the ADP Research Institute. "Nearly every industry posted strong gains and small business hiring picked up."



Don Bessee

Not a good start for the Muller team -

Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s prosecutors were lectured by a federal judge on Wednesday for the language they’ve used in the courtroom, as the trial of former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort entered its second day.
U.S. District Judge T.S. Ellis III specifically told prosecutors to stop using the word “oligarch” to describe wealthy Ukrainians, whose dealings with Manafort are at the heart of the fraud charges he faces in northern Virginia federal court.
The judge said the term has a “pejorative” meaning and is not relevant in this case. Further, he cautioned that using it could suggest Manafort is associated with bad people – and guilty by association.

“It’s not the American way,” the judge said. He noted that wealthy donors like George Soros or the Koch brothers also could be considered oligarchs.

The Mueller team was later rebuffed again by Ellis when they tried to introduce photos that eventually would become public of Manafort’s closets filled with suits and high-end clothing.
While it’s part of their effort to paint Manafort as a tax scofflaw who spent big on luxury items, Ellis would not allow the photos for now.
“Enough is enough. We don’t convict people because they have a lot of money and throw it around,” he said.
Ellis has scolded members of Mueller’s team before, asserting back in May that the team was really interested in targeting President Trump.



Don Bessee



Don Bessee

BULLSEYE MR PRESIDENT AND MAD DOG!! Right between the weak spots! That insular arrogant Nazi emperor XI has 0itis, a massive delusion resulting from 0's kowtowing!

Take a minute and think about their internal process that made them think this was a good idea, TALK ABOUT INTERFERING IN OTHER COUNTRIES POLITICAL PROCESS! What say you Dems?

Perhaps all the socialist/dem/communist talk emboldened them. The pigs squealed loudly.

Beijing pushed back Thursday after Congress passed the 2019 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), insisting that this bill which aims to curb malign Chinese activities must not become law.
Noting that the Chinese government has made its position known multiple times, Ministry of Foreign Affairs spokesman Geng Shuang said, "We urge the US to discard its outdated cold-war and zero-sum mentality."
The US "must not let this bill containing negative Chinese-related content become law," he added, stressing that the US risks "undermining China-US relations and cooperation."


God Bless Mad Dog and The Prez for reminding them we are not supplicants and they do not dictate to us (well not all of us).



Don Bessee


The Atlanta Federal Reserve's GDPNow model, which uses available economic data to predict the current quarter's GDP growth, stood at 5% on Thursday, up slightly from an initial estimate of 4.7%.


It sucks staying inside on these toxic air days but hey, its nice to help educate. ;-)

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