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15 August 2009

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Ben Mavy

Excellent job George,

And you didn't mention the abusive practice of pension funds to overestimate future investment returns to appear less underfunded than they care to admit. Our concerns will all go away if there is any possibility the liberal utopia of everything government is true. We simply need a constant stream of more government employees (no problem there, we have 4,000 more State employees than last year), and higher government salaries to sustain the pension fund. Tell your friends! If you can get just three of your firends to come work for the state and they can get three of their friends and so on, PERS might not go bust!

DaveC

I have often felt agencies who put their new employees in the Calpers system should offer new hires a defined contribution retirement. However, if they did the Calpers system would collapse because the new workers would not be able to pay the retired employee's stipend. This, of course, is not part of Ponzi's plan.

James Lewis

Excellent article. You did a terrific job of explaining a complicated scheme with concrete examples. As you continue to write similar articles, I'd like you to consider tweaking your message just a bit. Towards the end, you said, "The uninformed voters, ignorant of the basic formula, will focus on this seemingly insignificant faction, and go back to their knitting without a clue that their liability just increased 25 percent."

I think your message would have perhaps been more effective without the tone of condescencion, even though it is apparently justified. Maybe you could have slightly changed it to say, "MOST uninformed voters, ignorant of the basic formula, will focus on this insignificant faction without a clue that their liability just increased 25 percent." The "knitting" part detracts from your article.

I was totally clueless about the specific numbers. However, many of us here in Nevada County are aware of the problem, and aware that an increase by an "insignificant faction" will cause a rapid geometric increase.

Good work. Thanks for the articles. James Lewis

George Rebane

Well said James Lewis, and thank you. I often feel that time is short and try to stand concurrently on too many soap boxes. Our public education system has now produced at least two generations of adults that many authors have named 'post-intellectual', with the measure of their literacy quietly taken and buried by the Dept of Education. No one has yet found the magic words to motivate the radical change required in both education policy and curriculum to start turning out enough young people who can competitively sell their labor in the global free markets. The entrenched and strongly liberal education industry is dedicated to an egalitarian lowest common denominator that prepares a compliant workforce suited primarily for sectors funded by charities and government monies. But many of us still try in our clumsy ways to point out the problem whereever we can. You shined a bright light on my inadequate effort. Thank you again.

Steve Enos

George, it might be informative for you to run down and do a post about what our local elected representatives at the County Board of Supervisors and City Councils are "provided" in the way of compensation and benefits for holding elected (or some times appointed) office.

Who gets paid what? What benefits do they get, what about Supervisors getting health insurance? Is being a County Supervisor intended to be a full time job? What do they "get" when they leave office? Do any of these elected offices provide for some level of retirement funding or health insurance?

George Rebane

Good point Steve. In this series, focusing on the compensation component of the cost of government, my next installment will be on some specific examples of government employee compensation. Including our electeds, as you suggest, would be a proper complement to such a piece. Thank you.

Steve Enos

Thanks George. These are issues that few in the public have any knowlwdge of. In most cases the "feather the nest" takes place out of public view.

The last few years of employment service is when some set up for the post retirement double dipping and rack up overtime to pad their retirement earnings basis.

Look forward to another story from you about the compensation and benefits of our local elected officials.

In my case I was paid $200.00 a month for being an elected city council person. No other benefits were provided, no insurance, no retirement. Make sure you get all the info about being a county supervisor as that seems to be a pretty good "gig".

Steve Enos

George, today’s (Mondays) front page of the Sacramento Bee covered the governor’s latest effort to address public employee retirement and benefits. It's going to be a hard fight as the state employee unions have a tight grip on the folks in Sacramento.

Closer to home it would be nice to see the info over the last 10 years or so about our Sheriff's Department. Things like wage spiking, overtime pumping, sick leave, holiday and vacation leave payouts in the last couple of years before employee retirements. Also look at things like position transfers, upgrades and promotions in the last year or two before taking retirement, another form of preretirement spiking.

Then we also have a bit of retire and return and "double dipping" that have taken place. The Sheriff's Dept. and election candidate endorsements are a very real part of this situation. This is our local version, just like at the state level with the state employee’s unions and our state elected representatives. Would be very informative to have more light shed on this local issue.

How has this been allowed to happen? What is the voting record of our county supervisors on these issues and the employee contracts that have allowed this to hapen? Wonder if any of our county supervisors are willing to step up and discuss these issues and provide the facts and data about what has taken place as our County Supervisors are the decision makers that have allowed this to happen.


George Rebane

Steve, half the people commenting on The Union seem to be (ex)government employees who have difficulty with the language (as predicted by our Dept of Education surveys), and are taking me to task for warning them of the unfunded pension liabilities problem. In any case they are both uninformed and quite sanguine about the pension status of the state's jurisdictions. The situation would be humorous, but these same people also vote. Maybe you can explain the matter to them.

And regarding the homework that you're lining up for me, it feels as if you're sending me into a hornet's nest ;-) As a former council member, have you attempted to get any of this stuff from GV? That should give an indication of how hard it would be to dig it out.

Steve Enos

George, I think the Sheriff's Deparment issues I raise are a real good, local example of what you are trying to discuss. This local discussion should take place as we can have an impact on the local situation if the BOS is willing to take action.

This local example needs to be uncovered and the facts need to be made available to our local voters. The County Board of Supervisors has had the authority over these Sheriff Dept. issues. The BOS (past and present) could have addressed these issues and taken action. So where is the information and accountabily for their actions, or lack of it?

Since the majority of our current and past BOS members claim to be conservatives and Republicans it would be enlighting to know what they have done to make all this possible. What have they done to end this or in reality what have they done to facilitate these types of things from happening here at home?

We have some current and former County BOS members making statements about the state of our federal and state goverment, spending, retirement, benefits etc., etc. but what are the facts? What have these folks done and what do they propose to do on a local level on these issues?

Our local County BOS members have had the ability and authority to address this, so what have they really done vs. what some of them are saying?

George, you post that "it feels as if you're sending me into a hornet's nest", my take is that you are already feeling the stings of those that want this issue to be left in the back room, away from public view.

Since County Supervisor John Spencer comments on your site and Russ's too it's simple. Our local elected representative can provide the information about these issues, ask him for the data and his past actions, efforts and BOS votes to address these issues.

Better yet, Supervisor Spencer, will you please provide us all the information about the above issues and our local Sheriff's Department? This way we can hear it directly from our elected representative.

We have the ability to make change at the local level on the issues George has raised here. We vote our County Supervisors into office to represent the interests of the people, not the unions.

Our local elected representatives need to do more than complain about Sacramento and Washington, let's hope Supervisor Spencer provides facts and answers to those he was elected to represent.

Ben Mavy

You're ahead of the curve on this one George. This showed up two days after your post: Calpers Takes Another Property Hit

George Rebane

Thank you Ben. This morning's Sacramento NPR also had a big piece on people beginning to discover that Calpers is forced by the jurisdictions and unions to run a non-sustainable pension scheme. Meanwhile, it is disturbing to see the sample of the people who don't get any of this, and think that my piece in the Union is a partisan rant. Their level of ignorance is mind-boggling, especially when considered in light of America's competitive position viz globalization. More on that to come.

George Rebane

Thank you Ben. This morning's Sacramento NPR also had a big piece on people beginning to discover that Calpers is forced by the jurisdictions and unions to run a non-sustainable pension scheme. Meanwhile, it is disturbing to see the sample of the people who don't get any of this, and think that my piece in the Union is a partisan rant. Their level of ignorance is mind-boggling, especially when considered in light of America's competitive position viz globalization. More on that to come.

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