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19 July 2010

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Dixon Cruickshank

Good thing not many people watch it anymore I guess, but the anogoly is correct, wonder if he's getting paid by them as a contributor now?

D. King

O.T.
George
Coming to California?
What’s your read on this; is it as bad as I think it is?

http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2010/07/mass_may_join_e.html

George Rebane

No DKing, it's absolutely not as bad as you think it is - it's much worse than that.

Paul Emery

If we assume that CNN is a liberal slant and FOX is a conservative slant how is CNN's coverage different than the way FOX covered the New Black Panthers. They hammered that for days and as recently as yesterday. The story broke over a week ago.

Todd Juvinall

Didn't CNN hire Spitzer to do a program? Yes, I think they did. He will be the escort service critic.

George Rebane

Excellent point Paul. Fox News was the first and, for a almost a week, the only major news outlet to tell the New Black Panther story that included both voter intimidation and public exhortation by the very same NBP members to commit murder and mayhem against whites. The major news outlets have yet to report on the “kill the white women”, “kill the white babies” aspect of the NBP story, and Fox News hammered them to complete their report on this organization.

CNN leaped on the Mark Williams – tea party story immediately and has reported it repeatedly without making clear the structure of the Tea Party movement implying that it is essentially one homogeneous organization which was the source of Williams’ racial tirade. Fox News covered this issue immediately explaining the relationship of the Tea Party Patriots and Williams’ Tea Party Express to the Tea Party Federation.

Other than that, I don’t know of any other differences. It’s hard to argue that the gravity of both the NBP and the Mark Williams issues are equivalent.

Paul Emery

That matches up pretty well with Newt Gingrich who is on Fox. He can do stories about having affairs with you're Congressional aides. This guy is a real Conservative role model on family values.

In 1981, Newt dumped his first wife, Jackie Battley, for Marianne, wife number 2, while Jackie was in the hospital undergoing cancer treatment. Marianne and Newt divorced in December, 1999 after Marianne found out about Newt's long-running affair with Callista Bisek, his one-time congressional aide. Gingrich asked Marianne for the divorce by phoning her on Mother's Day, 1999.

This guy's a real gem

George Rebane

Paul, did we just do a segue to a new subject? I wasn't wearing my G-suit and the sudden change in course left me a little dizzy.

Michael Anderson

I'm not allowed to watch cable news anymore...doctor's orders. However, I find that John Stewart's nightly summary does the job just fine.

How CNN or Fox report this stuff is completely irrelevant to me. At this point it should be irrelevant to everyone else as well. This is "shiny bauble" stuff, to make you watch dumb commercials.

George, you seem to think that the NBP is big news. But this has been the state of the inner cities for quite some time. No one takes it seriously. If they act on their rants, they get shot to death. Ask Oscar Grant how it worked out for him.

The NBP is not affiliated with the NAACP, in any way, shape or form. And there are positive things that have come from the Grant manslaughter: http://www.youthradio.org/topic/oscar-grant

Paul Emery

That was from an article in the New York Post. Pretty much a rag but the facts are undisputed.

George Rebane

Probably a good tactic for your health Michael. IMHO, the import of the NBP news is 1) in relation to the case having been dropped by the DOJ, and 2) the extent of the asymmetry of the racist exhortations from both sides. Had any white member of a 'white organization' said anything close to that, and the response had been the shrugging off you suggest, then people would have died in the streets of major cities across the country. I was a bit shocked when I saw those NBP videos. But then again, maybe I'm a bit too sensitive - silly me.

Paul Emery

I was responding to Todd's post

Paul Emery

George, this is pretty close. From the Kansas City Star

"Billy Roper is a write-in candidate for governor of Arkansas and an unapologetic white nationalist. “I don’t want non-whites in my country in any form or fashion or any status,” he says.

Roper also is a tea party member who says he has been gathering support for his cause by attending tea party rallies. “We go to these tea parties all over the country,” Roper said. “We’re looking for the younger, potentially more radical people.” …

In several instances, tea party members with racist backgrounds such as Roper have played a role in party events. At the same time, The Kansas City Star has found, white nationalist groups are encouraging members to attend tea parties. One organization based in St. Louis is sponsoring tea parties of its own."

RL Crabb

CNN is failing because they are as boring as watching paint dry. Today's cable news has to be fast, furious and sprinkled with opinion and contempt for the enemies of the Republic. Since both MSNBC and FOX repeat their broadcasts, I can watch both and get a vague idea of what's going down with libs and cons inside the beltway. The difference is that MSNBC makes no bones about where they're coming from while Fox claims to be fair and balanced. If that was true, then where is the Alan Colmes Show?...The Juan Williams Show? I don't think Geraldo counts, even if he is coming from left field.

George Rebane

Paul, accepting the report at face value, I would not want that person in the NC TPP, and would make his membership an issue. That is not the principled organization of which I want to be a member. I think that all the TP movement organizations should make it clear that their members can hold any beliefs they want, but they do not have the right to compromise the TPP, with its explicit and limited principles. If you want to talk about worshipping purple cats or hating black people, then you do that in another forum without reference to the TPP.

Bob, I should be more up on MSNBC and CNN, but from what little I see of them they don't seem to have any conservative commentators any more. Fox gives Juan Williams, Marla Liasson, Kondracke, etc, etc, quite a forum on shows like those hosted by Bret Baier and Chris Wallace. 'Fair and Balanced'? Maybe, but that claim always puts a little smile on my hairy face. The only thing that I see is that Fox covers more news of what's really happening than all the others combined. I confirm that from other sources like Stratfor and DebkaFile.

Todd Juvinall

So Paul, why would you bring up the urban myth about Newt? By your response you are admitting you endorse Spitzer? Wow, you must be realllly liberated.

Regarding FOX and CNN and the rest. As a person who was in many news stories I can just say this. Thanks for Rush, FOX and any other conservative radio, internet and TV and newspaper. We finally have many outlets for news we want and we can pick who we want. Before it was given to us by people and news outlets that were pretty much of one view and it wasn't mine. So, I choose and bookmark what I want rather than the crud the lamestream media dishes out. I am a happy camper.

Michael Anderson

George,

My sister-in-law serves on the Oakland City Council. One of my best friends lives in West Oakland (through no fault of his own); when he leaves his house for extended periods of times, he seals his windows and doors with drywall screws. He also has several guns and baseball bats at the quick, and the drug dealers know it.

It's not a game down there. It's war. I watched the NBP videos and laughed. Did you notice all the white people just shufflin' on by, shaking their heads and looking somewhat annoyed? The NBP is not a credible threat, it's street theater .

I agree that the NAACP is using their resolution to get out the vote. Why else would they choose to not formally adopt their resolution against the TPP until October? But I can't blame them for that.

America is nothing, if not completely subsumed by craven politics.

Michael A.

Paul Emery

I was responding to your implications that Spitzer being on CNN was some kind moral issue that somehow reflected on CNN. My post was just a reminder that he's not the only one who has overcome " bad choices" to get some kind of media job. It's good to know that have changed their ways. Newt's behavior an "urban myth"........... Really Todd Didn't anybody tell you?

Michael Anderson

Not a great story: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/07/19/BAJJ1EGJ04.DTL&tsp=1

I really hope they can turn things around in Oakland someday.

RL Crabb

Todd's good at selective memory, Paul. As for his choices for news, I find it ironic that now Glenn Beck tells us that he might lose his sight. A few years ago Rush almost lost his hearing. Now if we could only cover the part about speaking no evil.

Todd Juvinall

Actually I have an excellent memory and that is why liberals don't like to blog against me or debate. I am amused that Spitzer, horn dog that is is, would place his family in such jeopardy by sleeping with so many prostitutes. His wife looked very sad when he forced her to stand in front of America wile he slimed his way out. CNN is getting beat 5-1 by FOX. Spitzer is a good fit for them. Urban myths abound and I'll try to straiten out the misguided whenever I see them.

Bud Fox

Cheap, adolescent and snarky comment Crabb. A Conservative wishing similar ill will on a Barbara Walters, Wolf Blitzer or, God forbid crossing the barrier, to foulmouthed Whoopie would bring a loud yowl of foul from the collective commune.

Paul Emery

Todd
Please then, set me straight on Newt. Did he or didn't he dump his wife while she was in the hospital dying and have an affair with his Congressional aide while married. Urban myth ?

Todd Juvinall

Paul, that is why they call it an urban myth. If you believe it then as a journalist I would expect you to get at least three indie confirmations.

Paul Emery

Todd

How about a video of his confession http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/03/09/politics/main2551861.shtml

Why is CNN hiring Spitzer and different than Fox hiring Newt? Please explain

RL Crabb

So this week I'm being called "snarky" here and over on the left I'm told I "missed the freedom train." I must being doing something right. I'd like to say I'm the devil's advocate, but my wife says that isn't true. She says I am the devil.

And the last time I mentioned any of my infirmities on this blog, I was riciduled and told it wasn't anyone's problem but mine. Could it be the pot is calling the kettle...no, I better not say that word or I'll be in more trouble.

Todd Juvinall

RL you are a hoot!

Paul Emery, I watched you videolink to CBS from 2007 and I guess I am missing something about the so called Newt confession. Where is the question he was supposedly replying too? Sheesh!

Paul Emery

I guess you didn't read the story Anything else you need. I'm surprised you didn't know about this. So, again, what is the difference between Newt and Switzer ?

(CBS/AP) Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich was having an extramarital affair even as he led the charge against President Clinton over the Monica Lewinsky affair, he acknowledged in an interview with a conservative Christian group.

"The honest answer is yes," Gingrich, a potential 2008 Republican presidential candidate, said in an interview with Focus on the Family founder James Dobson to be aired Friday, according to a transcript provided to The Associated Press. "There are times that I have fallen short of my own standards. There's certainly times when I've fallen short of God's standards."

Gingrich argued in the interview, however, that he should not be viewed as a hypocrite for pursuing Clinton's infidelity.

D. King

Paul Emery

"So, again, what is the difference between Newt and Switzer ?"

Umm...they didn't create a parody song about Newt?
Maybe the whole FBI thingy?
OK, OK, I give up, what is the difference?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2rWy5CAwNE

Todd Juvinall

In the purest of moral sensibilities, I will agree, you are correct. There is little difference but the babes Spizer was tumbling with are better looking.

Paul Emery

Now we can move on to John Edwards. There's a real gem, He got $25 from me in the last campaign while shooting videos with his promo gal. Lots of overtime pay for her. Nobody's offered him a media job yet though.

Todd Juvinall

They are making a movie about him.

Do you feel you need or want your $25 back?

Paul Emery

No-I can deal with it. I can take personal responsibility for my decisions. The only other political donation I recall giving was $10 to Barry Goldwater. I'm not very good at picking winners

Edward Haskell

CNN a forum to the ousted? No, the only home Tax Party superstar Mark Williams wants is a Fox show a la Glenn Beck, the Mormon preacher, which is why Mark tries so hard with his "satire" (what Tea Partiers call it) and "hate speech" (what intelligent Americans call it). On TV, Fox News owns hate speech. Hey, check out how a pathetic doctored speech on Fox brought down an innocent and compassionate Ag Department official allegedly guilty of "racism" 28 years ago. You guys have been having orgasms over it the last day or so because she's black. Party down time for Tax Partiers and your pal Mark Williams...a time to raise the Tax Party's Obama posters with the Hitler moustaches. Only nobody checked the facts, in particular Fox, and it's a Big Lie. Just like the Tea Party, George. Can't wait to see what you bitter white men have to say about that. You guys are so cute when you're on the wrong side of history. And you are.

George Rebane

EdwardH, please see the Sherrod comment thread on 'Who is a Racist?' for my response to Steven Frisch on this - SteveF and you seem to have the same perspective. Also, Fox News didn't cover the attack on Sherrod until after she had already resigned under White House pressure. Do you have other information?

Todd Juvinall

As we can see, liberals are monolithic thinkers. They all read the same "news" and have the same opinions. Thank GOD we conservatives are so different than people like Haskell and Frisch. They are self haters and so their worldview is tainted negative. FOX had Breitbart on last night and he was grilled about the clip. If the libs want the truth, go watch it. So, we on the right have called for the reinstatement of the woman because unlike these liberals, we are not racists.We are in to fairness and justice.

BTW, we are still waiting for the breakdown of Frisch's employee makeup. Where is it?

Paul Emery

So, Fox violated all journalistic ethics by by not fact checking the source before airing the Shirley Sherrod video offered by TP Guru Andrew Brietbart. Nor did Fox question if it was edited. Nor did they try to find the original source. That is basic journalism and cause for firing of the producer or editor if it was a newspaper. Actually, the whole story is rather unbelievable and quite possibly subject to a nasty lawsuit. Whenever I do an interview I always keep an unedited raw version in case anybody questions whether the context of the story was altered. So Todd as you told me, "If you believe it then as a journalist I would expect you to get at least three indie confirmations."

Basic journalism calls for getting information, checking it out, looking for context and trying to get to the truth.

Todd Juvinall

Well, FOX came on and commented after the White House forced her out. However, O"Reilly apologized for not doing his research about her. Ms. Sherrod said on CNN that the WH wanted her to resign immediately as she was driving her car. Yes, there was a lot of blame to go around but what I think is the most intriguing is this. The NAACP Georgia chapter has the full 30 minutes of her speech. The national Chapter was the force behind getting her booted. Now what is that all about? BTW, Dan Rather has never apologized.

George Rebane

Well, the WH spread the blame far and wide tonight blaming all the media for not figuring out what the NAACP had in their possession the whole time. I disagree.

Paul Emery

George
What do you disagree with? Do you disagree with my observation that Fox news violated journalistic ethics in the way they broke this story? Also, not even extending the courtesy to contact Ms Sherrod for her opinion is sleazy hit and run journalism that is usually reserved for tabloids that run stories about pig boys and mermaids. I am not implying that the other networks aren't just as bad but it was Fox News that ran this on their program therefor they have to take responsibility for shoddy and irresponsible journalism. Checking the validity of sources is so basic. It's the first thing you learn in journalism.

Paul Emery

By the way, the way the White House handled this is totally pathetic. That's another story. I bet she has armies of lawyers fighting it out to be her attorney in this matter.

George Rebane

Paul, it was not Fox News that 'broke the story'. This was a NAACP video which it assessed as damning enough to condemn Sherrod. Recall that it was first handed to Drudge as a NAACP video clip, which it indeed was, and which was posted without comment. And which already had enough content on it so that no one should have rushed to judgement.

I believe that is what all the news media that picked it up reported. Yes, checking validity of sources is basic, but the report was not of Sherrod's speech to the NAACP, but the reaction of NAACP to its own video, and then of the WH pile on firing of Ms Sherrod. Those are confirmed happenings for which today saw endless mea culpas.

Attempting now to distract us all from the important factors of the issue by blaming the whole thing on Fox News is IMHO disingenuous. Ms Sherrod made her speech, NAACP made and had the video, NAACP condemned her without cause, the WH fired her without cause, and that's the story. Now the leftwing is up in a huff about Fox News which the Obama administration has explicitly informed the country is not even to be an acknowledged news organization. You gotta be kidding.

Mikey McD

Have you seen this Steve Wynn interview yet? he nailed it!

http://www.infowars.com/steve-wynn-takes-on-washington/

Paul Emery

George

Okay I see you're drift on this. It was Andrew Brietbart who first received the edited video who distributed it to Fox who then was the first news network to air it. So Briehart says that it was about the NAACP and how they they reacted to the speech and I can understand that approach to making a point about racist charges against the
TP by the NAACP but it was entirely unethical for him not to say it was an edited video. He claims he had the whole video but only released the edited version. Who is his guy? Does he speak for the TP. Who produced the edited video and what was their motivation ? How could he not have any consideration for the possible effects on this woman.

Fox did apologize much to their credit but it does show how low journalistic practices are today.

George Rebane

I don't think Breitbart speaks for anyone but Breitbart. Most certainly he doesn't speak for the TPP. This has been a confusing day for all, and another sad day or two for journalism. I had to vent a little in this evening's post.

As always Paul, your comments add light. Thanks.

Edward Haskell

Once again, George Rebane lies. Fox NEVER apologized for the lies they spread about Shirley Sherrard, they simply blamed the White HOuse for believing them. In a journalistically accountable world, dozens of Fox hosts, producers and reporters would be FIRED for what they did but since Fox journalists aren't journalists but propagandists they remain employed. Anyone who believes anything on Fox is an obvious moron after this track record, with Tea Party racial villifcation against ACORN (lie), Van Jones (lie), the Black Panthers (lie) and Shirley Sherrard (lie). All racial lies and all perpetrated by the Tea Party teabaggers because white people can't find anything else to oppose Obama. Party down, George Wallace boys.

Edward Haskell

How dare George claim the NAACP was releasing the video on the Shirley Sherrard affair? It came from Andrew Breitbart, a former Matt Drudge editor and close friend, another loser with no journalistic background. Unlike you major strong dudes, they might not mind Prop 8 being overturned. You gotta love you tea party boys. It's so cute that this site only has white men participating, just like 95% of the tea party nationally.

Todd Juvinall

I see Mr. Haskell is a devotee' of MSNBC. The leftwingnut channel adored by the radical socialists of America. To say Van Jones's outing was a lie is the reason no one except Haskell watches Ms. Maddow and Olbermann. The left are the racists and the TPP and affiliates are not. This takes away the issue and with the outing of Journa-List and it lies and support for Obama, I totally understand Haskell's fear.

Paul Emery

Todd

So Todd I'm going to task on your adoration of Fox by asking you a simple question. Do you believe that Fox was responsible and ethical when the called for Ms Sharrard's to be fired based only on the video which they aired provided by master slimer Breribart without checking sources or talking with her. Then, the next day they accuse the WH of moving too fast when they fired her. Help me understand-

George Rebane

EdwardH, can you let us all know how and when the NAACP video clip was released to Breitbart? Also in what sequence did Fox and the other media report on that video? This morning's NPR report confused the matter more by playing only the first half of what was on Breitbart while claiming it was the whole clip. When, according to your information, did the NAACP release the whole video?

If you have better facts as to what was released when by whom, I want them posted here. Finally, if you want to participate on RR, a site you obviously disdain, then a couple of charm school lessons are in store. Else we will all enjoy your sound of silence.

Paul Emery

I think this timeline deserves a close look. According to Breitbart he received two videos, one edited and one not back in March. He sat on it till this week. He won't reveal who gave it to him citing journalistic ethics. He did not receive it from the NAACP.

George Rebane

Agreed Paul. Is there any information on the timeline you can get through the good offices of KVMR? We can then do an analysis of how this thing bounced back and forth between the involved agents, and maybe even sort it out.

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