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06 August 2010

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RL Crabb

The first thing that comes to mind for Nevada County is water. It brings to mind the old saying about the west; "whiskey's for drinkin', water's for fightin' over." We've had this discussion before, George, when debating the future of development in Northern California. Although NID and state agencies claim we are water-rich, I forsee a day when the state demands more than their share of the half-full cup. Just wait until the next inevitable drought.

As much as we'd like to remain rugged individuals, the fact is that we are dependent on the rest of the country and world for everything we touch, from the computers we communicate with to the food we eat. The concept of local sustainability only goes so far.

As far as population growth, some of the worries have been overestimated, in my estimation. As more nations develop, the number of children decreases, as we have seen in Europe and Japan. The trend seems to be headed in that direction in India as well, as women choose careers over families.

Russ Steele

We maybe on the cusp of the next Grand Minimum on the sun, with fewer sun spots for the next two 11 year cycles. During the Dalton Minimum in the 1800s California experienced a 13 year drought. During the Medieval Warm Period, which lasted from about AD 950–1250 we had a 200 year drought when trees grew in many of the Sierra lakes. Those trees were 80-120 years old.

The real problem is that the population of California toilet flushers keeps growing be we are not saving any more water for all those flushers. This is a many made drought.

Russ Steele

Opps should read man made drought.

Steve Enos

Russia... record heat, record drought, record wildfires... so where is that ice age?

Russ Steele

Steve,

It is weather and it is summer in Russia, where they are experiencing unusual weather. It is winter in the southern hemisphere and has turned brutally cold In Bolivia with 6 million dead fish, alligators, turtles and dolphins all floating down Bolivian rivers, a cruel aftermath of extreme cold in South America. Argentina is importing record amounts of energy to combat the coldest winter in 40 years. Temperatures in parts of Argentina fell below those of Antarctica on July 15. Peru declared a state of emergency amid plunging temperatures across much of the South American as the country plummet to a 50-year low - predicted to fall further in coming weeks.

Here is YouTube video showing the masses of dead fish in Bolivian rivers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWIzUwZ1Spk&feature=player_embedded

As we transition from a warm phase climate to a cool phase climate there will be weather extremes. There has been in the past and their will be in the future. Interesting to note that San Diego, LA and San Francisco had a record breaking cool July. Did you hear about it on the news? I did not think so, it does not fit the AGW agenda. Hear about the cold weather in South America in the news? I did not think so.

Dave C

Friends of mine near Queenstown, NZ tell me they recently recorded their 3rd coldest day in 139 years.
-7C or about 19F. They also said Fox Glacier is advancing at the rate of about 3 feet per week, while its neighbor the F. Josef glacier is advancing at about 2 feet per DAY. Both of these glaciers are on the south island.

Russ Steele

Dave,

We visited the Franz Josef glacier in 2003 and it was static, not advancing, only receding under a very slow melt. They had sign posts making the decline history. It started receding in the 1800s long before the SUVs and CO2 were an issue.

Michael Anderson

Weather...M.

Kim Pruett

Steve and Russ,
There is no doubt that we are seeing evidence of unusual cooling and warming paterns in our climate all over the globe, but this type of thing has been going on for millions of years and in my opinion is not due to human activity but due to mother nature doing what it does and no amount of human activity is going to change that...no matter how much we reduce our green house emmisions, it is still going to happen. So why change our entire economy based on something we cannot control? I do beleive that we should try and conserve and take care of our natural resources and take care of the earth but not at human expense. We used to use our natural resources in abundance and when we did that we had more of a "balance"

Nate Beason

George- I was priviledged to be a student of Garrett Hardin. The bulk of his thinking in the sixties has been validated by subsequent events in much of the world. A guy named Norman Bourlag mitigated the impact on one hand, and fortified Hardin's thinking on the other.

Nate Beason

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