Meckler Nailed – the 'evidence' is in

George Rebane

Just a rung short of a ladder is the most charitable way I can characterize the attempt by a locally loud leftwinger to proclaim that he has finally found the evidence to nail Mark Meckler, one of the national coordinators of the Tea Party Patriots.  Here’s the cited ‘proof’ in the hard-left Mother Jones article that caused this worthy to post the following comment.

Looks like a number of Tea Party "first founders" were right about Mark Meckler, check out this story for details: http://motherjones.com/politics/2010/10/tea-party-mark-meckler-herbalife Mark Meckler... running the Tea Party Movement like a Pyramid Scheme to line his pockets. Seems those on the inside of the Tea Party that posted here are correct. Time to wake up... Mark Meckler has been using the Tea Party for personal power and personal gain.

The comment was posted under ‘Stan Meckler Responds’ which has been a gathering point on RR for some disaffected TPP members and their progressive cheering section.  The comment is also a fine example of how the progressive mind (mal)functions, and what passes for evidence for such people.  For this reason I have included this example in the Liberal Mind category - it really is an Exhibit A that reveals the power of their thinking.  Illuminating!

Comments

[Steve Enos]

But what about all those Tea Party founders and "insiders" that have provided the inside information about Meckler? They posted it right here on George's blog.

I guess you just discount them and the facts they bring forward... little things they raise like Meckler selling off the membership lists and to whom they were sold to? What about the Tea Party members posts about Meckler and the money?

[Todd Juvinall]

Mother Jones is a proven liar rag/ We don't believe them and I bet the libel and sander suits will start right after the election against them.. Try some credible source next time.

[Steve Enos]

"Try some credible source next time"... how about the many Tea Party members and first founders that have posted right here on George's blog about the Mecklers and what they have really been up to?

[Barry Pruett]

This proves it...Steve Enos is crazy.

[Barry Pruett]

Quote from your "evidence"

"The 'power/gravitas' of Tea Party Patriots is their ability to say that they 'represent' or 'have access to' 20 million 'contacts.' When it comes to campaigns, political parties, or issue causes (like California's initiative process, and/or petition drives) that large number gets them notice and access to people who would not otherwise pay Mark Meckler, [national coordinator] Jenny Beth Martin, or any other Board Members the time of day."

There's no evidence that TPP is selling its contact lists.

Steve...you are a wild and crazy guy

[Russ Steele]

Steve,

You can always find a few complainers that did not get their way in a population of several millions. Count up the names complaining and it will come far less than 1% of the total population. Now are you going listen to the complainers or the other 99% of the population? Some of the complainers tried to start there own version of a Tea Party Patriots, but these outsides wanted to endorse candidates. The core TTP organization had decided they wanted to create a principle based organization. By endorsing candidates they would end up adopting all the things the endorsed candidate stood for. By candidates endorsing the Tea Party Patriots principles, they control the message and the outcome. Those cranky voices that your are referencing, did not want a principle based organizations they want the power of endorsement. That is the Tea Party Patriot's way, thus the conflict.

[Mark Williams]

TEA PARTY PATRIOTS.... TAKE BACK YOUR ORGANIZATION AND INTEGRITY. PROTECT YOUR PERSONAL INFORMATION. "UNSUBSCRIBE" TO ALL TEA PARTY PATRIOT NATIONAL MAILINGS. YOU ARE BEING VICTIMIZED BY A CON!

Mark Meckler has no ethics. He is an amoral thief who has graduated from exploiting people's health concerns and vanity up to fleecing patriots fighting to save their country. I have invited Mecker... who is also an attorney ... to sue me any time he likes if anything at all I have written or said about him is actionable. He does not because the truth is an absolute defense.

So I repeat, Mark Meckler is a cowardly, spineless, con artist grifting his way through life from one con scheme to the next. Wouldn't surprise me if he''s connected to that nice banker in Nigeria who keeps sending me emails about the fortune that awaits me in return for my bank account number

[Barry Pruett]

Mr. Williams: You were run out of the TP organizations on a rail for behaving in an overtly racist manner. Your credibility is lacking plainly. You should go back to your hole now.

[Steve Enos]

Seems Mark Williams makes a point or two:

"He is an amoral thief who has graduated from exploiting people's health concerns and vanity up to fleecing patriots fighting to save their country. I have invited Mecker... who is also an attorney ... to sue me any time he likes if anything at all I have written or said about him is actionable. He does not because the truth is an absolute defense".

[Michael R. Kesti]

I submit, Mark Williams, that you likely have little to no actual knowledge concerning why Mark Meckler chooses to not sue you.

I have heard and read both you and Meckler on many occasions and I assure you that my respect for Meckler far exceeds that for you. He, for example has never, to my knowledge, stooped to the kind of BS that you have posted here today. It may be that he just plays the game better than you do, but I doubt that this is the case.

[Steve Enos]

Folks should use this link to read the comments posted on the prior Rebane/MEckler story:

http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2010/08/stan-meckler-responds.html

Seems a number of Tea Party folks have lots to say about MArk Meckler and the money... and this is from Tea Party folks, not the left.

[Barry Pruett]

Enos: I admire you for your tenacity, but you are just throwing crap out there wth no basis in fact. Sure...Mark is a tough guy...I am sure he rubbed a few people the wrong way. It happens.

Your money connection was disproven already by the very same article you cite.

"There's no evidence that TPP is selling its contact lists." - Mother Jones

Again...nice try at discrediting Mark, but you have nothing but bald allegations.

[Steve Enos]

Barry... I'm not throwing nothing, it's TP folks that have raised these issues and the Mother Jones story sure has a lot of "interesting" information.

But you just keep attacking other Tea Party folks and others on the right all you want... it's you that lives in the state of denial.

Tic... Tic... Tic

PS: Barry, is it possible for you to reply without making personal attacks? Is it possible for you to do that?

[Barry Pruett]

I have attacked neither you nor other TP members. LOL. You need to toughen up. Criticizing your argument is not personal. I pointed out simply the colossal error in your argument.

"There's no evidence that TPP is selling its contact lists." - Mother Jones

Again and again...nice try at discrediting Mark, but you have nothing but bald allegations.

[Todd Juvinall]

Enos is a drama queen Barry. He is doingthis at his hated right wing friend Mark Williams behest to see if he can stir it up. I used to like Mark Williams and was saddened he was booted from KFBK. I liked his ardor. But now I am ashamed of him. Enos is just a small town sh** disturber and nothing more.

[Dixon Cruickshank]

Steve you keep saying they are TP folk's - they are not, they were opportunists that tried to jump on a bandwagon for personal gain and missed

[Dixon Cruickshank]

Steve I have suggested in the part you not use your real name to protect the innocent, I'm sure you will be changing it after Nov 2 - may I suggest Homer

[Russ Steele]

Dixon, your killing me, the tears are running down my cheeks, I can hardly type I am laughing so hard about your last comment.

[Dixon Cruickshank]

I was thinking of you Russ

[Steve Enos]

Seems you boys need to "Man Up"... to use your latest "Tea PArty" phrase. But it looks like Russ and Dixion might already be "manning up" together after reading... "I was thinking of you Russ".

Time to "man up" guys.

[Steve Enos]

Dixion, you post "Steve I have suggested in the past you not use your real name to protect the innocent".

So that statement reads Dixion takes the position I'm "innocent". Great, thanks Dixion! But the part about me needing protection? Is that a threat?

Not to worry Dixion, I can protect myself. I'm a former Deputy Sheriff and former federal drug enforcement and I stay qualified.

Dixion, no need to change my name for protect as you suggest unlike some other posters here that hide behind some made up ID and fail to have the balls to use their names here.

Maybe these namesless posters here will grow a pair and Man Up!... but I bet they won't!

[Dixon Cruickshank]

whatever...... Homer

speaking of the innocent, sure is comforting for the populous to know you use " former" in that statement

[VforVendetta]

You wanna learn about Meckler and the movement….listen up:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/mooreliberty

and check out the following information from the the 4th organizer in California for Tax Day Tea Party 2009 (involved with the movement since March 4, 2009), she was “regional director” in the SoCal area and assisted setting up most of the groups in SoCal in the early days of the movement, if you wish to know the “real” NorCal history of the movement from someone who’s been in it up here since Mid-March 2009, please feel free to contact me.

http://www.teapartyie.com/news/category/Tea%20Party%20Patriots

Laura and myself are well known within the movement, we have many organizers prepared to bolt from “TPP” proper after elections, and some have already done so, we are working with several organizers right now behind the scenes to get them to come forward with their story of what happened to them, Meckler and the apple dumpling gang act like a bunch of thugs, many of these organizers have had to file for LLC to protect themselve from lawsuit against Meckler’s bunch, the next couple of weeks we will have many organizers that have been threatened with all kinds of things and dealt with all kinds of “thuggery” and intimidation from these morons.

As you can imagine, these people have families, homes, etc. and a few have been in contact with legal counsel that may be representing them in suits against Meckler and the “apple dumpling gang”, Jenny Beth Martin, Debbie Dooley, Ken Campbell (former Doolittle/Abramoff crony now on the national board), Ernie Istook (Another Abramoff crony now on the national board), Gary Aldrich, Ginni Rapini, Dawn Wildman, Andrew Ian Dodge “mecklers wannabe hit-blogger”, Sarah Bond, Brad Roetgen, etc.) in the near future.

I encourage you to listen to the podcasts for plenty of good info regarding TPP, many within the movement are distancing themselves from them, some have even declined their “grant money”.

[Mikey McD]

John 8:7

So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

What's in your closet?

[VforVendetta]

Blah, Blah, Blah, I find a lot of corrupt "republicans" within the Placer GOP Central Committee that love to hide behind religious quotes too....ahhhh the hypocrisy....you're just another to be added to the list I'm sure. I'm sure if it were confronting this corruption and hypocrisy with Barney Frank, you'd be giving a standing ovation....HYPOCRITE. Newsflash Mikey, I'm not asking "what Jesus would do", I'm asking what fricking Daniel Morgan would do, what Jefferson would do, what Andrew Jackson would do, so take your bible verse and.......

[Todd Juvinall]

Sounds like Enos to me Mikey.

[D. King]

Big oil...Big tobacco...racists!

Sorry, I panicked.

[Mikey McD]

"that love to hide behind"... names like VforVendetta, ha ha ha. Who is the hypocrite?

Tip- if you are looking for a perfect man, don't hold your breath. Great example of why Americans choose to follow the values of the Tea Party, A LEADERLESS MOVEMENT to take back our personal liberty (dignity).

btw, I am not associated with the GOP in any way, shape, or form.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFxkMs0Melw

[Dixon Cruickshank]

Mr King that was funny I don't care who you are.......touche'

[Laura Boatright]

Mikey McD- it's only "leaderless" when they are being threatened by the Left.
When *WE* ask questions of the LEADERSHIP, we are attacked.

You don't want to believe it, that's on you.

But here are more VICTIMS of Tea Party PROFITEERS: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/mooreliberty/2010/10/22/tea-party-news--exposing-the-corruption-wherever-w

More CASUALTIES coming forward EVERY DAY!

[Laura Boatright]

RE: contact lists for sale...that quote from the Mother Jones article is FROM MY BLOG ARTICLE: http://www.teapartyie.com/news/re-tea-party-patriots-and-your-confidential-contact-information

PLEASE READ THE 10/20 UPDATE.

And they haven't been sold............YET (that we are AWARE OF).

[VforVendetta]

The hypocrite? It's MY blogtalkradio show, name is clear for everyone to see, or can you read? I don't figure you took a look, I don't imagine you're looking for the truth, you sound like just another establishment GOP Hack to me, you must be, to be aligning yourself with TPP. By all means though, educate me on what you think you know about the movement.

[VforVendetta]

As far as your video goes Mikey, I've got one of those too, I was the cameraman for it, and the guy that put the video together. I can name each and every person in the video too, along with their story on how they got into the movement.....can you? Can Meckler? Not likely.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtckSHRRH_4

[George Rebane]

It seems to me, given the number of people dissatisfied with Mark Meckler et al of the TPP leadership, that they could just form another more suitable faction of the tea party movement and be rid of the things that they dislike. The truth of their case would then quickly deplete the TPP membership and increase that of their new faction. People would choose and have a place to go to continue promoting the fundamental tea party principles.

After all, are not the principles of governance that all tea party factions are trying to communicate and promote which is important here? Does it matter what part of the movement people belong to in order to continue bringing government back from its socialist brink? Do we not have a more productive way to direct our energies than internecine warfare?

[Mikey McD]

George, here is my take on this 'issue.' Some extremely mouthy people wanted their name in headlines as the LEADER or FOUNDER or GOD'S GIFT TO THE WORLD or WHATEVER. Now, since their integrity and leadership skills lacked the gusto it takes to be the aforementioned they attack the entire movement and some of the 'leaders' the extreme left is also attacking. These wanna-be leaders are trying to kill the movement because their egos are bruised. Sound right? Every movement worth having has it's enemies.

[Todd Juvinall]

I like George's solution for these naysying anti-Meckler people. Start their own group. Then they can be in charge.

[Steve Enos]

Mikey posted... "Some extremely mouthy people wanted their name in headlines as the LEADER or FOUNDER or GOD'S GIFT TO THE WORLD or WHATEVER"

Mikey is correct, it's Mark Meckler that Mikey is really talking about!

[Dixon Cruickshank]

As read all this that was my take too - there are thousands of little TP groups and most people that believe the principals are not even active in any " group".

Start your own group - last time I checked its still a free country

either that or your really not TP party people at heart, just TP'ers in sheeps clothing

[Nuff said]

Or RINO's right, Dixon? LOL!

[Barry Pruett]

"Just a rung short of a ladder is the most charitable way I can characterize the attempt by a locally loud leftwinger to proclaim that he has finally found the evidence to nail Mark Meckler, one of the national coordinators of the Tea Party Patriots."

I think that the discussion is over with that sentence. The local left cannot run around throwing grenades with no evidence, yet challenge them and it is a personal attack. The left around here needs a little thicker skin. LOL.

[Steve Enos]

Barry... pick up the phone and call your Mother as she is over on Jeff P.'s blog looking for you. Well not so much looking for you as trying to defend you and "explain" you over on Jeff P.'s blog. What a hoot!

Your Mother seems like a very nice lady and she writes very well too. But it's clear she hasn't read your wonderful, nice comments here and on your blog.

Barry... "man up" as you say... you are the one that needs "a little thicker skin... or in this case Barry time for you to "Mom up"!

[Barry Pruett]

Do yo care to show some evidence that TP is selling email lists, or will you continue with your personal attacks? A challenge to ideas is not a personal attack...thicker skin bro. Further, "man up" is your phrase (or one from a news clip)...not mine. LOL.

[Todd Juvinall]

Barry, it seems Enos is the person with the ego problem. After reading his posts here there and everywhere, including my little blog, it would appear to me he is seeking some sort of recognition. Some people who are really insecure try to make themselves feel bigger by trying to demean or take down others larger in life than they are. I have seen this many times in public hearings where the insecure person, protected by law during a public hearing for say, a land use project, can say really bad things about the landowner or the business proposer and get away with it. Enos is doing this technique and I think he is simply jealous of the success of Meckler and others and he derives some sort of tingle by his actions. I am like most conservatives where we are interested in the positive and progress.

[Steve Enos]

Barry... you and others here and on the "other" blogs, along with Palin have been using the "Man Up" phrase.

But I like "Mom Up" better.

[Steve Enos]

What next?

Will Mark Mecklers Mom also start posting to defend her son like Barry's Mom has now done?

Time to Man Up... not Mom Up.

[Barry Pruett]

Untrue Steve...untrue. Other than an article that I re-posed concerning Harry Reid, please provide a cite Enos.

Be careful Steve. My southside mom will run circles around you; she is wicked smart.

[Steve Enos]

Barry your Mom seems like a nice person, thoughtful and she writes well. Nice of her to try and protect you on Jeff P's blog, that's sweet of her to tell us the life story of baby Barry and his travels.

So now you post how your Mom will protect you? Now that's a hoot! How's the view from under Moms apron?

Funny that your Mom decided to post and converse with "us" on Jeff P.s blog and not here and not on your blog. Very telling.

[Barry Pruett]

First, this thread is started by you attacking the Meckler's with no evidence. Next, you attack me with no evidence. Finally, when you are backed into a wall with no evidence, you start attacking me in a very personal manner. Steve...we do not need to attack you personally, as your behavior is evidence enough of your character.

[Steve Enos]

Barry... you are a hoot! Todd is the number one personal attacker poster here and on other blogs, that's clear.

At least Todd can take as he gives, you on the other hand can't.

Time to Man Up Barry... or maybe Momma Up I should say.

[Barry Pruett]

Your comment is further evidence as to your character. These blogs and the comment sections thereto are not about "taking" and "giving" to others. They are here to further debate as is the American way and what has made this country storng. If you throw out allegations without facts (as you have done on this post at least twice), you will be called on it. It is not personal and it is healthy debate. Your type of behavior is an example of which my mother was writing. "[I]t really is an Exhibit A that reveals the power of their thinking. Illuminating!" You are proving George correct. You can have the last word...but my prediction is that you will resort to a personal attack yet again.

[Todd Juvinall]

I think the is some sociopolitical behavior and it is not Barry.

[Dixon Cruickshank]

I think you are correct Barry, Homer is just trying to be significant at something somewhere. Attacking people and throwing unfounded accusations is maybe the only way anybody will talk to him, ever think of that???

Homer maybe you need to get a dog

[Steve Enos]

Hey George.. are you going to apply your posting standards? Seems a few above are posting a number of personal posts that are all about me vs. the topic of your story.

Exit question: will George apply his posting standards to his buddies above?

[George Rebane]

SteveE makes a valid point here. Although he can and has been known to also cast the first stone with the best of them, I have found that not responding in kind does work. Sticking to the man's ideas seems to present one with more than enough material to which to respond. And that is even true as he and other liberals accuse you of such things as "attacking" them or "throwing them under the bus" when the response clearly disputes their message and not them as the messenger. The critical reader will have no trouble sorting out such erroneous jumps in logic, and will himself judge the messenger through the quality of his messages.

Perhaps a good rule to follow in such situations is 'If you are struck on the right cheek, then turn to the next left idea.' This rule is ideologically symmetric and can, of course, be reworded appropriately to be used by all.

[Todd Juvinall]

Now that is funny George. Having been a County Supervisor for eight years I got to hear it all. Enos is a product of the public hearing "hero" syndrome. I have seen it many times. Liberals and hero wannabees are always pointing the finger at their betters because they have a tremendous inferiority complex. I once was talking to a left wing nut who always showed up to public hearings and who attacked whatever project was on the agenda. I asked him why and he said "for the sport". That is the behavior shown by most liberals. They don't have solutions and they simply enjoy trying to take down their betters.

[Steve Enos]

Once again George Todd psots about me and not your story.

Just another off topic personal attack of me by Todd.

Exit question for George: When if ever will you apply your posting rules to Todd? Why do you allow Todd to make endless personal, off topic attacks? George if you want your blog site to be a place where discussions can take place you need to apply your posting rules to the one person that violates them on a regular basis.

[Barry Pruett]

Enos: You were part of the story.

"Just a rung short of a ladder is the most charitable way I can characterize the attempt by a locally loud leftwinger to proclaim that he has finally found the evidence to nail Mark Meckler, one of the national coordinators of the Tea Party Patriots."

I think that you are the "locally loud leftwinger". Am I missing something?

[Steve Enos]

BArry is such a hoot... he posts about himself "Am I missing something'... yes Barry you are!