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27 January 2011

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Todd Juvinall

This reminds me of the on camera beheading of the American boy by Zawquari. At leasr we killed hima later on. These people are 6th century and maybe we should put a wall around them and let them kill off each other.

RL Crabb

George, just who is it that puts thses cretins on an equal footing with us or anyone else in the civilized world? Nobody I know.

If I was the one with his finger on the nuclear trigger, it would be very tempting to do some chemotherapy on that cancerous neck of the wilderness, but then I would be doing the same thing they are, just with a bigger stone. Todd's right, we should probably just cordon them off and let them do what comes naturally.

Paul Emery

George

What is the source of this clip and where and when did it happen?

Kim Pruett

Disgusting...horrible and disgusting.

George Rebane

Paul - http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9eb_1293414372

Bob - The government school systems have been teaching that to our kids at least since the 1970s when our children attended public schools. Cultural equality was a subject of dinner table discussions while the Cambodian killing fields were going on. Of course, we had some other fairly grizzly examples to also draw from.

And for the disbelievers, that philosophical tenet is still taught to this day. Check with your local public school.

Mikey McD

George stressed culture in the title...are we not all capable of such hellacious acts; all dependent on our culture to temper our sin?

Dixon Cruickshank

and they want to bring it here, read the news about mercy killings but it is PC for our leftist friends

Dixon Cruickshank

wanna bet we don't hear a peep out of peeline or frisch

Dixon Cruickshank

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/01/27/surprise-radical-islamist-smuggled-across-us-mexico-border/

wonder if this guy thinks it is a fun sport, I bet he does - come one come all to the Bonfire and Stoning in Bakersfield Saturday Night, bring a covered dish

Larry Wirth

Islam = the face of Satan for our age. Read your Korans, people, this is what is decreed by Allah!

Paul Emery


George
I may have missed something but there is no documentation on this video clip. Can you give me any insight as the when and where this was filmed? There is no information I can find on the link you provided. Help. Perhaps I missed something.

Paul Emery

I found more documentation at this link.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=447_1292780555&c=1

D. King

Paul,

These things happen over there all the time.

I spent 20 years on and off in the Middle East.

If you were unfortunate enough to be out on execution day (Friday), in Saudi Arabia, you would be herded in to watch (no option).

Michael R. Kesti

The piece that George posted appears to be the raw footage that was used to produce a somewhat sanitized version from the BBC that can be seen at http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com/2011/01/taliban-stone-couple-to-death-for.html

Dixon Cruickshank

and your point is ? the BBC version is less real and therefore better? I didn't watch it just wondering what the point was?

Michael R. Kesti

My point, Dixon, was to hopefully provide Paul Emery with a way to obtain the information that he asked about.

Sheesh!

George Rebane

Paul, you have the same information about this footage that I have. Other commenters have added their verities as to the authenticity of this/such event(s). I am sure that there are legions of progressives out there who would dearly like to demonstrate that such stonings, beheadings, and other gruesome summary executions are just the perverse inventions and clever (Photoshop) machinations of the vast rightwing conspiracy to halt collectivist globalization.

Your concerns please?

Paul Emery

George

I wasn't trying to go there. I just wanted more information about the event that wasn't provided on the original link. This is a graphic picture of religious extremism in the region and the power they have to control through terror and intimidation. What people do to each other in the name of religion is unbelievable. Just a reminder that the Klu Klux Clan and the Army of God consider themselves Christian organizations as do the IRA. They all say their prayers before they engage in slaughter.

By the way, the actions of Islamic extremists in Saudi Arabia that D.King pointed out certainly didn't effect our political and economic relations with that country.

Mikey McD

I am a Christian and I think the term "holy war" is an oxymoron.

Dixon Cruickshank

Sorry Mr Kesti -

Paul the point is that is not at all extremist in that religion, as we have a mercy killing of a young girl in the news this week - thats in the US, her father just used a car.

D. King

By the way, the actions of Islamic extremists in Saudi Arabia that D.King pointed out certainly didn't effect our political and economic relations with that country.

Paul,

Unfortunately, these happenings in Saudi Arabia are not considered extreme by the Saudis. They are viewed as in compliance with Sharia law. The reason the Saudi's take a harder line is that the King is the keeper of the two holy mosques (Mecca and Medina). They have to tow the line because all eyes in the Muslim world are upon them.

Dave

George Rebane

I am a Christian. My readings of history convince me that when Christianity was a co-pillar of the state, it was also able to promote and execute all manner of atrocities, these both on other cultures and within the internecine wars of post-reformation Europe. Europeans (especially of the northern half) have shown themselves to be the most rapacious and efficient killers in history. (Although the Asians in the latter part of the 20th century have put forth a great effort to catch up.) And most of this was done in in the name of Christ. I believe we hold the record on 'holy wars' that already started when Constantine still ruled the Roman Empire.

But after the Reformation the church began decoupling from the princes and completed its separation with the conclusion of the Enlightenment in the last half of the 18th century. So it can be said that Christianity has 'matured'.

Islam is still in its primitive phase. Christians were wrong to use their religion to rape, pillage, and burn other cultures and civilizations, and so today are the Muslims. And I have no compunction to practice any kind of 'fairness' with that religion and its various cultures, or to give Islam an 'equal opportunity' at their turn in doing their dirty work.

Paul Emery

So George in your opinion are there any portions of the Islamic religion that have evolved beyond the the primitive phase including Americans who chose the Islamic faith?

D. King

"So George in your opinion are there any portions of the Islamic religion that have evolved beyond the the primitive phase including Americans who chose the Islamic faith?"

If I may stick my nose in…

That is an excellent question Paul.

The difference between the Bible and the Karan is that the Karan is written as a monolithic construct. In fact, it is against the law to mis / reinterpret it, punishable by death. This in my humble opinion is where the attempted homogenization of the modern and ancient world fails. If you take the Karan literally, and most do, you are transported back in time where moral transgressions were dealt with very harshly. So, though I believe change will come, the structure necessarily makes change very slow.

Dave

Greg Goodknight

The Spanish Inquisition also had their quirks regarding acceptable Bible interpretations. Christianity is just a bit further along than Islam.

George Rebane

“… are there any portions of the Islamic religion that have evolved beyond the primitive phase including Americans who chose the Islamic faith?”

To begin, the Koran is actually two books of scripture. The first fifth of it was written in Mecca when Islam was just starting out and did not dominate its early habitat or surroundings. It is written in a voice of love and compassion, definitely not threatening anyone in the neighborhood. The remainder was written in Medina after some key military victories, and when Islam already dominated a good portion of the Arabian Peninsula and was leaking into Africa and Asia Minor. This part is in a totally different voice that demands much from the growing followers of Allah. Compassion and mercy shows up for Muslims only in word, and to no one in prescriptive deeds.

Many parts of the Medina Koran overrule the Mecca Koran. But the faithful are spared the dilemma by the codicil which makes it clear that if two parts conflict, it is the latter part that holds. Hence the draconian Medina Koran prevails, but the Mecca Koran is still cited for public relations and missionary purposes. These citations have been successfully used to convince the non-Muslim world that Islam is a “religion of peace”.

Most certainly the Wahabi and other fundamentalist Islamic factions that use terror as a weapon for bringing about their Caliphate have not evolved from the primitive phase – why should they? it has been supremely successful. It is hard to tell where the ‘moderate Muslims’ stand, Americans or otherwise. Occam would counsel that they are laying low and playing both sides of the street while waiting to see how the fundamentalists fare. Else there would be worldwide demonstrations of the peaceful and compassionate moderates against their raghead (q.v.) brothers and sisters. I have covered this ground thoroughly in these pages.

Would love to hear other explanations for the behavior of the moderate and, presumably, the more advanced cadres of Muslims.

D. King

I think the confusion comes when Westerners try to describe moderates.

Even tempered and pragmatic does not mean they won’t stone someone, or in the case of a father in the U.S., run over his daughter with a car because she has shamed the family. We just don’t fit, and all the social engineering in the world won’t change that, as the E.U. is finding out. I have several friends in the Middle East and trust them implicitly; however, I do not put them into situations where they would have to choose between me and their religion or culture.

And….it’s Koran not Karan…sorry.

Greg Goodknight

All religions are equal, but some religions are more equal than others...

Dixon Cruickshank

Sorry, there is no "Moderate Muslim" it keeps being proven over and over and over - at some point maybe some will realize the fact. It just takes longer for some I guess and you just keep hoping

Todd Juvinall

Egypt will become a killing ground as the Muslim Brotherhood start murdering. We will all get to see the results of the moderates. This great country of five thousand years of culture will be turned into a cesspool of extremists if the secular forces lose.

George Rebane

One of the fundamental and eternal rules of social behavior revolves around the ability to reliably predict behavior. Cultures are built around such behavioral norms codified into traditions. And people use various devices to proclaim their membership in one culture or another, and equally to declare that they are not members of another culture. Strong cultural norms serve that purpose above all others.

(Without cultural tools to prescribe and proscribe behavior, the state must become an ever more autocratic mentor for the society it rules, using thick books of laws and codes that require legions of lawyers to interpret, large police apparatus to enforce, and huge institutions to warehouse the deviants. The absence of a dominant culture does not come free.)

The simple rule is that when you cannot reliably predict another person's behavior, you either distance yourself so his behavior will no longer be a factor in your affairs, or you incapacitate him to achieve the same result. But you will not remain in productive proximity with people whose behavioral norms and responses are not known to you.

To me, perhaps the most disturbing teaching of Islam is that a devout Muslim has little or no moral responsibilities in his relationship with infidels. Charging us interest is apparently just the beginning. Specifically allowed are fraudulent actions that will disguise the Muslim's true mission whatever at the moment that may be. Allied troops killed by their Muslim 'comrades in arms' are just the tip of this iceberg.

So how can we establish the civilized and benign bona fides of our Muslim neighbors?

D. King

“So how can we establish the civilized and benign bona fides of our Muslim neighbors?”

I have found one thing that is universally respected in the Middle East. Technology and what it provides is our camel’s nose. As long as, and unlike our educational system here, it is not used to manipulate moral teachings, slowly, very slowly over time we will establish common perceptions.

IMHO

George Rebane

Indeed so Dave. I have also observed that the whole point of a global collective is to arrive at a common culture that provides all such benefits to society. In the interval we have to learn the ins and outs (i.e. transfer functions) of individual cultures. But in this interval that doesn't mean that all such apprehended cultures will be acceptable for intercourse.

The question now becomes how "slowly, very slowly" will this new AND uniformly acceptable/functional social contract come into being. At the rate we are transforming western civilization in a collection of autocracies in order to mobilize a successful defense against fundamental Islam, will we and our children have anything worthwhile left to defend? Given globalization and our loss of competitive labor capital, time is not on our side.

Dixon Cruickshank

An Egyptian government in which the key players are the Muslim Brotherhood and El Baradei would be a terrible development for us; for Egypt, perhaps a catastrophic one. Some are now arguing that the MB is a relatively benign force to which we should not be opposed. Andy McCarthy explains in detail why we should fear the Muslim Brotherhood--the organization that has spawned most of today's terrorist groups--but really, all you need to know is the Brotherhood's motto:

Allah is our objective, the Prophet is our leader, the Koran is our law, Jihad is our way, and dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope. Allahu akbar!

That pretty well sums it up.


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