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01 May 2011

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Todd Juvinall

Yahoo!!!

Michael R. kesti

So what? This will have the same net effect as cutting off one of a sea star’s arms. The remaining parts of the organisms will be little affected and the removed portions will grow back.

Mikey McD

Great campaign speech by Obama tonight.

Mikey McD

Obama forgot to mention HIS blunder from earlier today in his "I, I, I, I, I, I, I, got Osama" speech...

"Libyans burn UK, Italy missions after NATO strike- AP
Angry mobs attacked Western embassies and a U.N. office in Tripoli Sunday after NATO bombed Moammar Gadhafi's family compound in an attack officials said killed the leader's second youngest son and three grandchildren, ages six months to two years."

Jeff Peline

Mickey McD:
Obama is a two-term president. And you? LOL

Mike Thornton

I'm going to be watching with great delight as the right wing and its echo machine look for a way to spin this against Obama.
And by the way George, do you just wait for any excuse you can find to engage in racist name calling?
Talk about low class!

Todd Juvinall

Mikey, Pelline reported that Obama was killed tonight, so how could he be a two termer. LOL.

Russ Steele
Todd Juvinall

The leftwing dumkof bloggers and posters are taking some kind of credit for posting before others and calling George a racist again. The Mike Thornton fellow is at it again.

George Rebane

I will be watching for -
1. The fight for succession by al Qaeda lieutenants who will attempt to demonstrate their power and prowess by launching attacks against the west.
2. The course of the current 'Islamic Spring', will it become focused on individual nation-states becoming more liberal and beneficial to their citizens, allowing them fulfillment in pursuing their own personal goal.
3. The catalysis of the much-touted moderate Muslims worldwide, and especially in the US, to publicly denounce and actively resist their radical factions seeking a global Caliphate. Their silence to date has been deafening.

In sum, President Obama got this one right.

Mike Thornton

Guess what. "Raghead" is a "racist" term. If George doesn't want to be called out as a "racist" maybe he should refrain from acting like one....

Russ Steele

Hot Air has a series of reports on the breaking news here.

Here is a sample:

Update (AP): The city where they got him is named Abbottabad. It’s not in the tribal areas; it’s in the northeastern part of the country, just 75 or so miles from the seat of government in Islamabad. A telling aside from O’s speech: He said that he called Pakistan’s president after the incident to let him know — which, presumably, means there wasn’t Pakistani cooperation after all. As I said earlier, relations between us will never be the same.

All credit to Obama, though, for pulling the trigger and sending troops in to take care of business. If OBL hadn’t been there or if things had gone wrong, this would have been an international clusterfark, especially given how deep they were inside the country. Well done.

wmartin

Jokes linking Bin Laden to iPhone ownership beginning in 3...2...1

Todd Juvinall

Let me see, George escaped from the Nazi's, served the US in the military and became quite a brainiac doing all that stuff. Mike Thornton, what is your resume'.

Mike Thornton

Well Todd, I don't call people "Ragheads".

D. King

U.S. military kills Middle Eastern climate change spokesman.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/28297

Charlie Manson unavailable for comment.

http://www.newser.com/story/116722/charles-manson-gives-prison-interview-about-climate-change.html

With these two prominent climate change proponents
muzzled, are there enough feebleminded left to carry on?

Garrett Worthington

Mr. Juvinall, fat fingers make typing "raghead" names difficult ( Obama or Osama- LOL!!!). Pelline is a miserable man looking for company.

Russ Steele

Osama Bin Laden's Compound Already Mapped on Google

Details here.

Larry Wirth

Pelline wasn't the only one making that slip of the tongue, Geraldo did exactly the same thing on Fox.

I'm a little confused about the above use of the term "racist." My information is that the most troublesome of the Muslim communities are those loosly referred to as "Arabs," though like most modern nations, the group includes some truly racial admixture. That said, Arabians, Iranians, Afghans, Pakistani, Egyptians, Libyans, Tunisians, Algerians and Morrocons and most Indians (whose populace includes the largest national population of Muslims on Earth are all cacusians- white people for the truly ignorant. Most, not all Arabs are of the Semitic branch, like the Israelis. How does calling a misbehaved bunch of white trash "ragheads" come to be classified as "racism"? 'Splain me, please. L

Larry Wirth

And, come to think of it, "white" also describes the Muslims of SE Europe, Turkey, and Central Asia. The only non-white Muslims are in Indonesia, Malaya, the Southern Philippines and sub-Saharan Africa. What's the complaint about "racism"? L

Jeff Pellne

http://sierrafoothillsreport.com/2011/05/01/sun-sets-on-local-wingnut-empire/

[I guess we'll leave his little bon mot (or cow pie, take your pick) in place in the hope that this time the FUE does really mean it and "move on" without us. Anyone want to bet that, without bashing the available local conservative blogs, they would have nothing to talk about over there? Oh yes, we must not forget about 'scooplets'. gjr]

Russ Steele

While this will certainly boost Obama's short term ratings, it will be the economy that will be his down fall. As the Clinton staff wrote on the wall "It is the Economy Stupid" And it will be the economy again that insures that Obama is a one term President. No one pumping $5 dollar gas in 2012 is going to remember who got Osama! Or care. We all vote our wallets, not who got Osama.

RL Crabb

Before you release the balloons for the early inaugeration Jeff, you might remember that twenty years ago George Bush the elder was riding high from the ouster of Saddam from Kuwait. His reelection looked so bulletproof that most prominent Democrats decided to sit out the '92 campaign, giving the nomination to a backwater Governor nobody ever heard of.

The battle cry of the campaign was "It's the economy, stupid!"

Throw in a rich independent candidate and you got a contest. Obama will win or lose depending on how many people are still unemployed by November, 2012.

John Galt

Precisely Mr Crabb. The "It's the economy stupid" line still applies.

Kudus to Obama though for at least taking action. If my memory serves me, Bill Clinton had the opportunity and failed to take action. And Obama's helicopter mission has turned out better than Jimmy Carter's helicopter mission in Iran.

Looks like Obama might have just barely escaped being the worst President in modern history.

Douglas Keachie

By ending the myth of Osama's invulnerability, recruiting new blood will be more difficult. My guess would be that Obama, being the chess player that he is, didn't charge right in. No internet or phones ? no, not physically there, but I'm sure Osama stayed connected, at least for inbound traffic, using cables snaking out from the compound to other locations nearby. Obama's Intelligence Operations would have found those nearby sites, and milked those for everything he could, and then released his birth certificate probably within the same hour he gave the go ahead to Special Forces/Navy SEALS. The information gleaned between August 2010 and now may result in a whole series of additional precision hits.

Trump actually played a small but important part. By stirring up the birther activity, and seemingly provoking Obama into releasing his, the Play's the thing!

Osama thought Obama was hopelessly tied up in trivia, and was probably a little lax around the compound.

It's wildly possible Obama and Trump worked together on this, wouldn't that be The Great American Sting!

Greg Goodknight

The Saudis had ObL and offered him to Clinton. This was declined.

If in 2012 we're still mired in three wars, one of which was entirely Obamas idea without any congressional buy in, folks will be wondering what killing Osama bought us, especially if dollar-denominated gasoline is as expensive as Obama wants it to be.

Greg Goodknight

What is the chance that the CIA combatant who shot Osama in the head was a Democrat?

Russ Steele

New York Times on the economy.

It has long been clear that economists do not see the world the way people experience it. That disconnect is especially pronounced now.

The economy lost steam in the first quarter. Growth in personal consumption — the single largest component of the economy — slowed markedly. Business-related construction cratered and residential construction fell. Exports stumbled. The only unambiguous plus was continued business investment in equipment and software, which is necessary but not sufficient for overall growth.

In all, economic growth slowed from an annual rate of 3.1 percent in the fourth quarter of 2010 to 1.8 percent in the first quarter of 2011.

Our local left thinks that killing Osama will be good for the economy and assure his re-election. How is personal consumption going to increase, because Osama is dead. Personal consumption has slowed because people have run out of money. How will the death of Osama restore these funds? What am I missing?

RL Crabb

So I guess all good Republicans will go to bed tonight praying for a lousy economy.

Todd Juvinall

I clicked on Pelline's link above and was taken to Fantasy Land again. He is so busy patting himself on his back I find it amazing he can type. He and his minions of leftwingnuts are ensconced in a room with no windows and chatter incessantly. If it weren't for Stoos these nuts would actually believe what they write. I actually scooped everyone on Osama yet I am so humble I only mention it in passing. LOL. I must say though, these posters at Pelline's blog do give me a laugh. BTW, Thornton, what is your resume'?

bill tozer

Several hours after the news broke, the Daily News hit the streets with a big picture of bin laden on the front page with the headline "Rot In Hell". The last word was in bold 4" type. So, another raghead bites the dust. Hope this does not offend our two grossly obese lefty posters in their hour of political correctness bereavement. Fat dumfaks need love too.

Barry Pruett

Bob, now that is not fair. I am a Republican, but I am an American first. I pray that my children, and the troops that protect them, are safe from harms way. I pray that the economy goes through the roof and that our country can actually spend what we take in. This is a great victory for the Obama administration. We can talk about the economy later this week after we are done celebrating.

D. King

Greg Goodknight Said:

"...folks will be wondering what killing Osama bought us, especially if dollar-denominated gasoline is as expensive as Obama wants it to be."

Exactly Greg!
Which is why I suspect Osama supported climate change related policies. High energy prices will do more to hurt us than any one physical attack.

Todd Juvinall

It is ironic that Al Queda endorsed the American democrats in 2006-08. They just hated Bush too.

Sarah

George, it must give your heart a warm feeling to see the fired union editor promoting his website on your blog.

Mike Thornton

Why can't you guys just admit that President Obama handled this thing correctly?
When you read some of the story leading up to OBL's killing you have to realize that not only did Obama make the correct call, but the smart and courageous ones as well!

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2011/05/president-obama-had-authorized-bombing-of-compound-in-march-but-wanting-evidence-of-obls-death-cance.html

You guys would have at least a little credibility if you could face the facts once and awhile instead of looking for ways to defend racist rhetoric.
Let's face it, Obama did what your boy Bush couldn't get done and it says a lot more about you than it does of President, that you simply can't just say "Good Job!" and move on.

Mikey McD

Bob, we already have a bad economy. Our prayers echo those in the Pruett household.

I am pleased that Obama is finally taking credit for continuing Bush's wars; even if it is years after Obama campaigned against them.

Todd Juvinall

Thornton, you apparently don't read much except your leftwingnut friends. Many of us are proud of President Obama for this. What you leftwing hypocrites don't get is you guys trash your own country most of the time while we defend it and now when Osama is killed we have to once again be what you want us to be. Sorry, you are the lemming we are the people of freedom.

Mike Thornton

Well, Todd, you apparently don't read much of what you and your friends write. And besides, you've been playing the "persecuted conservative" for far too long! I know it's going to come as a shock to you, but you don't have the market cornered on "freedom". What you really mean when you talk about "freedom" is freedom for the people that can pay for it. And that means less "freedom" for everybody else. So take the phony "patriotism" and save it for someone who is stupid enough to fall for what has become a tired and lazy throwaway line coming from you.

Todd Juvinall

Well Thornton, you are still the leftwingnut philosopher. You were never a good radio guy and had to travel to a phoney job with a econut group. That explains your dislike of true Americans. When your ilk start to say good things about America you may get listened too. But, since you are unable to do that, you and your ilk are becoming endangered species.

Mike Thornton

Bitter, much?

D. King

“So I guess all good Republicans will go to bed tonight praying for a lousy economy.”

“…a lousy economy.” is what we’ve got. Moving forward with policies that make it worse may hurt Obama’s chances for re-election, but, it will be devastating to the third world. Along with “skyrocketing” energy prices, food prices will follow. Mud pies anyone?

http://www.breadblog.org/images/2008/03/12/haiti_mud_pies_2.jpg

Todd Juvinall

I m a very happy person Thorton. You seem to be the bitter one.

Mike Thornton

I'm not the one whining, Todd.
You, on the other hand have been whining and trying to be a bully ever since I've known you. It's actually kind of sad. It almost causes me to feel sorry for you, almost...

Larry Wirth

Get a grip, folks. The demise of Bin Laden has been the pipeline for a long time. Obama deserves credit (which no one here has denied) for giving the right answer when asked "Mother, may I," though he could hardly have said no.

What impact this will have on the ongoing Islamic assault on Western Civ remains to be seen. Effect on the 2012 election, probably nil.

George Rebane

Amen, LarryW.

Todd Juvinall

Thorton, no need to feel sorry for me man, I am very happy and I have never been arrested for a crime. You?

Mike Thornton

Has anybody ever told you that you're a little "weird" Todd?

And here are George and Larry (right on cue) looking to demean Obama through slander and innuendo
You guys are too much.

Steve Enos

George... once again Todd's childish, personal, off topic attack rants undermine any ability to have a respectful discussion on this blog.

Exit question for George... why do you allow Todd to do this time and time again, do you have any standards?

Paul Emery

I know it's your clubhouse George but what threshold do you set for personal attacks where you reject them. You saying "I delete very few gratuitous personal attack comments" means that you do delete some. What is your standard on this?

D. King

Paul,

Are you asking a conservative Libertarian to make more rules?

Todd Juvinall

What a hoot. I never said anything about Enos but there he is whining about me again. Thornton attacks and calls us names and we ask him a couple of quesyions and he never answers them. I think the reasonable people on this blog know who is blowing smoke.

Why is it you lefty's can call George a racist and a wingnut and other banes then cry when someone asks if you have an arrest record?

Charlie Ferrior

And Mike Thorton is taking the high rd? LOL

Let's get on with discussion. Stop the personal crap; nobody cares!

Todd Juvinall

Those Navy Seals are tough sumsofguns.

Paul Emery

I didn't take a side on this playground scrap. I was just asking George what his threshold is for hooking a submission. D. King-I don't think George is a Libertarian at least not a Ron Paul type especially on foreign policy or the "war on drugs".

Douglas Keachie

Every clubhouse needs a mascot. A youthful puppy, not too bright, yapping at everything and everyone who passes by. Juvenall fits the bill. Of course Greg Goodknight is a good choice for runner up.

What evidence would suggest the the Navy SEALS were only fighting for Republicans or only for Democrats? How's the pride of modern physics and engineering doing these days in Japan? And those climate models that suggested extremes of weather, such as a rather large number of rather large sized tornadoes in such a short span of time? Are such sequences due to the indifference of chilling stars?

Todd Juvinall

Osama is dead meat is the thread Paul. No diversions please.

George Rebane

As seen from the record above (1may11 2112hrs) , I believe Mike Thornton came here to lambast me as a "racist" for calling ObL a raghead. The man apparently understands very little of what he is talking about, and he puts a ribbon around it with his (2may11 0953) comment accusing LarryW and me of demeaning and slandering Obama here, which has not occurred.

Racist, demean, and slander are complex notions that are often used inaccurately by the broad public. In this regard Thornton is definitely out of his depth on RR and would better find himself with peers on FUE's blog to which there is a handy link in this comment thread. (Sarah, are you saying that FUE really stands for "fired Union editor"?)

Todd Juvinall

Keachie your name calling is under attack by Steve Enos and Mike Thornton. Be careful they will complain. Or maybe not.

The Navy Seals fight for America and the policies we have in place. Many of the policies under Obama are a continuation of Bush policies. Since we had to listen to leftwingnut slams on Bush for eight years, I think you libs should now acknowledge that by implementing Bus/Cheney policies, Obama was able to order Osama's death. Why can't you liberals do that? Because you have a DNA strand that wouldn't allow it. So, we give the continuing office of the President all the favor it has coming to it.

Paul Emery

Todd

And you going after Pelline and Thornton work credentials wasn't a"diversion"?

Todd Juvinall

They picked the fight Paul.

George Rebane

Meanwhile, back at the ranch. I invite considerations of the three points raised in my 1may11 2138 comment, to which I would add a question - To what extent will the responses to ObL's death by various Muslim factions and organizations serve as a litmus test outing their real sentiments and intentions? For reference consider this WSJ piece.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703703304576298152611598680.html?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories

Douglas Keachie

Juvinall is not a warm puppy?

"Obama was able to order Osama's death."

Therefore Obama is not a Liberal, as reported by Juvenall.

Douglas Keachie

As far as I know, no Democrat has ever called for a policy welcoming the bombing of American targets, at home or abroad, by foreign governments or by terrorist groups.

Can Todd Juvenall show evidence that there is such a Democratic Party policy in place, or ever even proposed?

The Repubbys do not own, 9/11. It belongs to all the Amercian people, regardless of party, race, gender orientation, etc.

Todd Juvinall

George I think we will see the Islamo-fascists try and regain the momentum for a while. But with the turmoil in the Middle East, they may get a slapdown since the countries in turmoil have problems of their own right now. The Al Queda threat to blow up a city with a nuke does remind me of their hollow threats years ago whenever we took out some of their scumbags leaders like Zarqwai. The head chopper of that American boy. They were just blowing smoke.

Mike Thornton

Oh Todd, regardless of my, yours or George's "work credentials", "Raghead" is still racist terminology! And besides, you know what my work credentials are. You just don't like them.
And since you brought it up, never having been "arrested" for a crime, isn't quite the same as never having engaged in "criminal" behavior.
And as far as my other point is concerned, George and Larry have made it for me.
And BTW, George, American Muslim organizations have been on national media this morning condemning Bin Laden and praising his death. He and the Wahhabi Sect are not well liked in the general Muslim world. But they are quite well liked in Saudi Arabia and isn't the the country where the Bush family enjoys long standing ties with the Royal Family?

Dixon Cruickshank

Not sure what all the hype is about, he said go ahead and do it. Its not like he was pouring over the plans until 3am or something. What other answer could there be for any president.
CIA should get most of credir for it along with the Seals, I will say he IS the Commander in Chief in Libya so we'll see where that goes.

Mike Thornton

But he was pouring over plans. He called off a bombing raid in March because he was concerned that they might kill Bin Laden, but not be able to prove it! he was also concerned that a bunch of woman and kids would get killed and they would be used as a propaganda tool. Mind you that the final raid preparations were taking place and Obama was cool as a cucumber cracking jokes at the press dinner.
You can hate him all you want, but he handled this thing as well as it could be done.

Todd Juvinall

I liked the juxtaposition of Americans dancing in the streets last night waving American flags with the Palestinians doing the same thing celebrating the 9/11 attacks. The American liberals think the 9/11 attacks were our fault, we think the Arabs did it. Regarding the American Muslims now supposedly condemning the death of OBL, too late for me. They have a lot more to do before I believe they are sincere.

Regading the term "raghead". I personally don't use the term but what is it that Thornton and the rest of the leftwingnuts think is racist about the term. I have been called a cracker, a gringo and white bread and a few other terms. Even the local liberals try to attach anything different from their word dogma on race to make a white person a racist. It does fascinate me these self haters like Thornton try their best to wreck the country with their PC strategy and destruction of our economy (dredgers) then blame the right. It isn't working and America is rejecting you and your strategies Thornton. Also, please clarify your arrest record for us, your comment was to cryptic.

Mike Thornton

Are you OK Todd?
I mean, you really had to twist yourself up like a pretzel on that one!
Are you saying that "Raghead" is NOT a racist term to describe a group of people while demeaning them at the same time?
Have you thought that (just perhaps)some Muslim Americans might think people like you and George have a lot more to do before they'll believe that you guys aren't anti-Muslim bigots?

Todd Juvinall

What you are unable to answer the question? What makes you think the term is racist? Kind of simple I would think since you are such a smart fellow. Please explain to us all why you claim the term is racist.

George Rebane

Mr Thornton, you keep missing something here. No one is taking President Obama to task for his execution of ObL. All you see is commendations. That doesn't mean that his other actions and presidential record now become acceptable.

Au contraire about the beliefs of Muslim Americans. Given their history in Europe and beginning now in America of spawning terrorists (specifically ragheads) to kill and maim innocents, that community will be very busy convincing us that they are not settlers on these shores. What they believe about me and mine is a function of their intellect and goodwill. I have made clear, but not accessible to all, what I believe about them.

Re my use of 'raghead', it is apparent that you are now sounding like a broken drum and beyond reasonable reach on this topic. Please take my advice, leave or contribute something substantial to this forum.

Douglas Keachie

raghead
[edit] English
[edit] Noun

raghead (plural ragheads)

(pejorative, slang) A term used in derogation of Muslims, Arabs, Sikhs, and other groups who traditionally wear headdress such as a turban, keffiyeh or headscarf.

[edit] Synonyms

towelhead

Categories: English nouns | Pejoratives | Slang

Todd Juvinall

I have a few lady friends that wear scarves on their heads Keachie, what is your point?

Douglas Keachie

Since, George, you are not the arbiter of meaning for the term raghead, you have to deal with the history of the term, which is well defined above.

If you wish to redefine the word, then you need to specify that redefinition each time you use it. You apparently mean for the term to include only people who are terrorists, who have no intentions of assimilating into American culture in a peaceful and friendly manner, and who originally came from the Middle East and vicinity, and who claim to be Muslims.

How many people do you believe are in this country do you think met your criteria?

How many people do you believe are in this country who are from the Middle East and vicinity, claim to be Muslims, and are currently peacefully assimilating into the American culture?

Without making the distinction, you sound much like a historical figure whom you profess to hate, and with good reasons, and with plenty of company, including yours truly.

George Rebane

Mr Keachie, words undefined take their default meanings from acknowledged sources like a dictionary of repute. However, reasoned discourse allows one the ad hoc definition of words to either redirect, expand, or contract their meanings in different ways. My use of raghead appeals to the latter, and I provide a hyperlink to its defining essay whenever I newly introduce that appellation. This post follows that protocol.

Nevertheless, a barrier remains to understanding. The reader must have a mastery of English and a reasoning facility that still functions in order to grasp my use of the word. These pages have shown that to some, this barrier is insurmountable.

I'm not sure I understand the relevancy of your 'how many people' questions to my use of raghead; most certainly not enough to divert myself in seeking their answers. Perhaps you could amplify.

Please say more about the "historical figure" and how I relate to him/her.

Douglas Keachie

Has George Rebane ever met your head scarf wearing lady friends, Todd? Does he call them "ragheads" to their faces? Or are you thinking of Babushkas?

Mike Thornton

So let me see if I have this right, George. If someone calls you on your use of racist rhetoric and you don't like it, they have to either agree with you or "leave"?
So much for "freedom of speech", I guess....
George do you really want to start a discussion about European/Christian persecution of Muslims and the repeated invasion of predominantly Muslim countries throughout the Middle East, followed by repeated military interventions in many of the same areas by the US?
And before you (and Todd) even go there, I'm not justifying terrorism. I'm simply saying that there is a historical context that needs to be acknowledged. May I also add, that when you and people like the Koran burning "pastor" engage in racist and degrading activities aimed at Muslims, you don't help the situation and in fact make things worse. I don't know why you seem to have such a hard time understanding this?

Douglas Keachie

Babushka (rus. "бабушка" - grandmother, old woman), babooshka, babouchka or baboushka may refer to:

A Western term for a woman's headscarf tied below the chin in the Eastern European manner.
Babushka Lady, who wore such a headscarf.
Babushka, an alias of Russian revolutionary Catherine Breshkovsky
Babushka doll, a synonym to Matryoshka doll
Babushka Adoption Foundation
"Babooshka" (song), a song by Kate Bush

Douglas Keachie

George, your "redefinition" lumps all Muslims into one category:

"We are in an ‘all in’ war between two civilizations – western civilization of the European pedigree, and Islamic civilization formerly of the Arabic and now of a broader pedigree. In their own words they declare that the west and Islam can no longer co-exist on this planet, and their intent is to prevail using every means available to them. To the world they have amply demonstrated the truth of their intentions."

If you call a terrorist leader and a few followers a "civilization," maybe you should reread "1984" and the sections on double-speak very carefully. Would you speak of a Tea Party "Civilization?" Civilizations generally have lifespans beyond any one human's lifespan. See, e.g., Alexander the Great's Empire.

Mike Thornton

Watch it Keachie, you're making way too much sense for these guys!

Douglas Keachie

Raghead the slur includes those who are not even vaguely Muslin. Sikhs also wear turbans, yet they are no more Muslim than george is.

Sikhism[note 1] (play /ˈsiːkɪzəm/ or /ˈsɪkɪzəm/; Punjabi: ਸਿੱਖੀ, sikkhī, IPA: [ˈsɪkːʰiː]) is a monotheistic religion founded in fifteenth century Punjab on the teachings of Guru Nanak Dev Ji and ten successive Sikh Gurus (the last one being the sacred text Guru Granth Sahib Ji). It is the fifth-largest organized religion in the world[3] and one of the fastest-growing.[4] This system of religious philosophy and expression has been traditionally known as the Gurmat (literally of the gurus). Punjab is the only state in India with a majority Sikh population.[5]

The principal beliefs of Sikhism are faith and justice, in Waheguru—represented by the phrase ik ōaṅkār, meaning one God. Sikhism advocates the pursuit of salvation through disciplined, personal meditation on the name and message of God. The followers of Sikhism are ordained to follow the teachings of the ten Sikh gurus, or enlightened leaders, as well as the holy scripture entitled the Gurū Granth Sāhib Ji, which, along with the writings of six of the ten Sikh Gurus, includes selected works of many devotees from diverse socio-economic and religious backgrounds. The text was decreed by Guru Gobind Singh Ji, the tenth guru, as the final guru of the Sikh religion. Sikhism's traditions and teachings are associated with the history, society and culture of Punjab. Adherents of Sikhism are known as Sikhs (students or disciples) and number over 26 million across the world. Most Sikhs live in Punjab, India although there is a significant Sikh diaspora. Until India's partition, millions of Sikhs lived in what is now Pakistani Punjab.[6]

bill tozer

It did not take long for vendors to start peddling their wares on the internet and street corners. Mostly Osama tee shirts and coffee mugs. My favorite so far is the tee shirt that says "Hey Osama, Tell Hitler We Say Hi". Reading comments on national left wing blogs is scarey. Some say 9/11 never happened and others say Bush/Cheney should be shot for orchestrating 9/11, not Osama. Can't believe these people share the air I breathe. I prefer the term "towel head" to raghead, which is a more apt description considering the PLO and the various tribal headgear, some which are quite colorful. For our more politically correct posters, perhaps the term "diaper head" is more palatable. Ouyr lefty cry babies should remove their dirty diapers and place them on their heads, which may be redundant since it is obvious that they have crap for brains. Have a happy day.

Mike Thornton

gee Bill, why don't you just go with "Sand Nigger" and be done with it!

bill tozer

Bush Rat is the term used in Disney's Aladdin. Your use of the term Sand Negro is not appropriate for these pages. Perhaps camel jockey would be a better term for you to use, or like other obese lefty turds, it that offensive as well?

Todd Juvinall

I think the left likes repeating the terms they consider slurs because they just plain like saying them. Closet racists I guess (based on their definition). The left is so fast to call and condemn their own country (or is it?), and so fast to take offense at anything that conflicts with their PC world. Keachie and Thornton have no room to point fingers based on all the crap they have written and the names they call people (Thornton and his group Sierra Fund fired all the suction dredgers). It is simply amusing to me and others who are not PC how these leftwingnuts even tie their shoes.

Mike Thornton

I'm not offended at all Bill.
If you're talking about me, I've lost 130 pounds and am feeling pretty good about it!
The really question is, why do you guys want to act like racists and then get so defensive about it when somebody call you on it?
Do you really think that calling other people "fat" changes the facts here?
You guys talk so tough, but my guess is not a one of you would dare go up to a Black man or an Arab or a Native American and say any of the stuff you say about them on blogs like this to their faces.
And for you Todd, I stood face to face with dredgers and explained to them why I was doing what I was doing and I listened to them tell me why, according to them, I was wrong. You know why? because I'm not afraid of people who think differently than I do or who have beliefs other than mine.
You guys are down to, what? Todd is rehashing whatever he heard on Sean Hannity today and Bill thinks that he wins an argument because he calls people fat and other names.
Is this all you guys have?
If that's it, I gotta tell you that it ain't much!

Todd Juvinall

Yeah you looked those dredgers in the eye, teah right. You cost a lot of jobs to California and are proud f it. That is why you and your ilk are being rebuked all over the country. We get our info from many sources unlike you DailyKos fans. We are more intelligent and have greater hearts for the needy and disenfranchised. Made so by liberal policies and PC. So, in my view the racists are you and your ilk, you seem to thrive on it.

Steven Frisch

[Snarky off topic comment removed.]

Todd Juvinall

Steve Frisch is a tubby. LOL

Dixon Cruickshank

If you ever talked with people that had families go thru the Muslum Turks as they swept across europe - you would find some rascisim, much more than here. The greeks along the Albainian border who had their land taken and given too the muslums, then had to live with them along the border, aren't very taken by them frankly.

Mike Thornton

I know Steve.
Todd is actually pretty pitiful

Todd Juvinall

Dixon, I think Thornton is ill. He keeps repeating himself. Poor guy.

Your point about the Muslims murdering a million Armenians is well taken. So is their hegemony through conquest of the Balkans. The only time in history I recall the Muslims being stopped was by the sons of Genghis Khan. They are a blood thirsty people an have achieved their land conquests through force, not by being nice. I say send Thornton and Frisch over to Iran and have them try and speak out. LOL.

Mike Thornton

Muslims are a "blood thirsty people"?

Greg Goodknight

Looks like Frisch is up to his old name calling tricks.

Paul Emery

Todd

"They are a blood thirsty people an have achieved their land conquests through force, not by being nice."

Did we achieve our "manifest destiny" by being nice? Ask the Cherokee, Navajo and yes Maidu in our own neighborhood when you could get $20.00 bounty for a scalp. I challenge you to read American Holocaust by David Stannard before you cast judgement on the lack of niceness other cultures. The Muslims achieved their conquest of the Balkans in the 16th century. Our conquest of the Native Americans in the West was in the 19th Century.

Try again Todd. You can do better than this.

Douglas Keachie

Pakistan knew.

The joggers from the military academy could not have missed the high walls, concertina wire, etc. Check out the maps at http://www.flickr.com/photos/keachie .

Todd Juvinall

Say what Paul? Why do you insist on making some moral equivalency with our country and the Muslims? That baffles me and I am sure you can do better than this lame attempt at justifying the hegemony of a religious group of fanatics and our country. I suppose you endorse the Armenians being massacred to the tune of a million people then? How is it Americans hae their own country as you appear to be doing. Amazing!

Paul Emery

George

" obese lefty turds"
Bill B

How far will you let these people go before you exercise your discretion on what you allow on your blog? I have to repeat this question I posed earlier based on this statement you made.

"I delete very few gratuitous personal attack comments"

This means that you do delete some. What is your standard on this?

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