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23 June 2011

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This is all well and good, George - but can we still make sure that the President Of The United States can be paid a living wage?

George Rebane

Not to worry Scott, anyone in that position becomes automatically a ward of the state in perpetuum.

Douglas Keachie

"But in the real world of technological advance, those with the brains, vision, and courage to invent and build things and methods that deliver to humanity products cheaper, quicker, and more capable, to those belong inordinate rewards."

Says Who?

You?

What would you say if one man invented a robot that was capable of inventing even better robots and better devices in all areas, so good that suddenly only his stuff was on the market?

What if soon he owned everybody and everything, including all the food you buy and all the gas you use, etc., such that nobody else owned anything?

How would you feel about that situation, since you too would be owned, as soon as he was in a position to control the water you drink, and the prices you pay for everything else?

You argue for inordinate rewards, and the current top 1% owns 20% of the country already, thanks to the tax cuts running from Reagan onwards for the wealthy. How much of the country would you say they should be allowed to own before you would cry "Uncle!" ?

50%? 80? 100%?

Barry Pruett

"Free market capitalism is a ruthless meritocracy that has constantly witnessed creative destruction – the new replacing the old as we distance ourselves from the cave." I could not have said it better.

Meritocracy. You work hard; you succeed - and you should give back to those less fortunate. Where the right and left differ is this - why should one who is successful be forced by government to give back to others? Giving back should be one's free and personal decision, not coerced by government.

Ben Emery

An email forward that everyone should enjoy, the point is in the last paragraph.

A cowboy named Bud was overseeing his herd in a remote mountainous pasture in
Montana when suddenly a brand-new BMW advanced toward him out of a cloud of dust.

The driver, a young man in a Brioni suit, Gucci shoes, RayBan sunglasses and YSL tie,
leaned out the window and asked the cowboy, "If I tell you exactly how many cows and calves you
have in your herd, will you give me a calf?"

Bud looks at the man, obviously a yuppie, then looks at his peacefully grazing herd and calmly answers, "Sure, Why not?"

The yuppie parks his car, whips out his Dell notebook computer, connects it to his Cingular RAZR V3 cell phone,
and surfs to a NASA page on the Internet, where he calls up a GPS satellite to get an exact fix on his location which
he then feeds to another NASA satellite that scans the area in an ultra-high-resolution photo.

The young man then opens the digital photo in Adobe Photoshop and exports it to an image processing facility in Hamburg ,
Germany . Within seconds, he receives an E-Mail on his Palm Pilot that the image has been processed and the data stored..
He then accesses an MS-SQL database through an ODBC connected Excel spreadsheet with an E-Mail on his Blackberry and,
after a few minutes, receives a response.

Finally, he prints out a full-color, 150-page report on his hi-tech, miniaturized HP LaserJet printer, turns to the cowboy and says,
"You have exactly 1,586 cows and calves."


"That's right. Well, I guess you can take one of my calves," says Bud.

He watches the young man select one of the animals and looks on with amusement as the young man stuffs it into the trunk of his car.

Then Bud says to the young man, "Hey, if I can tell you exactly what your business is, will you give me back my calf?"

The young man thinks about it for a second and then says, "Okay, why not?"

"You're a Congressman for the U.S. Government", says Bud.

"Wow! That's correct," says the yuppie, "but how did you guess that?"

"No guessing required." answered the cowboy. "You showed up here even though nobody called you; you want to get paid for
an answer I already knew, to a question I never asked. You used millions of dollars worth of equipment trying to show me how
much smarter than me you are; and you don't know a thing about how working people make a living - or about cows, for that matter. T
his is a herd of sheep.. ...


Now give me back my dog.

Ben Emery

This email describes Congressman Tom McClintock perfectly, a career politician that represents a blue collar rural district he has never lived. Since exiting college he has worked in government in one capacity or another. I went to the Rood Center meeting with his staff, a woman made the comment towards the end that the staff was just telling us reasons why we were wrong when we didn't agree with the congressman's positions.

We are our representatives constituents, we don't have to agree but they should listen to what we have to say, which was clearly not happening.

Todd Juvinall

Tom well represents the district. You liberals just are a minority and rightly so. If you were elected with your views of socialism then you would be defending your positions. So, get elected and stop telling the majority how bad it is, we like him and his views.

Mikey McD

George, extremely well written, logical and true. The progressive conveniently perverts economic laws to suit their propaganda. Wages (and benefits) for "commodity workers" would rise as either demand for such labor increases or supply of such workers decreases.

Demand increases along with economic activity. The more shiny the "golden ring" the more economic activity. The more economic activity the higher the demand for "commodity workers"; higher wages (benefits) result.

A thriving economy (employment begets lower supply of 'excess' labor), education (graduating a "commodity worker" to a non-commodity worker), etc also decreases the supply of available "commodity workers"; higher wages (benefits) result.

It is economic activity, not central 'social justice' planning that favors the employment (and wage/benefits) of "commodity workers."

The emotional based progressive will gladly accept a musician/actor creative type making tens of millions a year while the biotech creative type who has found methods of extending life is labeled 'evil' or 'unjust' for such compensation.

Ben Emery

George,
The top marginal tax rate is only one aspect that needs to change. The fact that capital gains/ dividends are the way most top corporate administrators are paid these rates need to match income rates unless it is on long term capital gains a.k.a. primary residence acting as a retirement investment.

There are dozens of loopholes and policies that need to shift to recreate the incentive of keeping money and jobs in America. TMTR is one of many. I believe that America and American jobs/ workers are worth protecting, you guys seem to think America is here to protect the profits of transnational corporations and international banking. I couldn't disagree more.

Sore Loser

Sore loser?

"Congressman Tom McClintock perfectly, a career politician that represents a blue collar rural district he has never lived... "
Posted by: Ben Emery | 24 June 2011 at 07:55 AM

Mikey McD

Nowhere has anyone here (especially George's post) said "America is here to protect the profits of transnational corporations and international banking." Please don't stoop to Keachie's level of 'reading non-comprehension.'

Nothing, absolutely nothing will create and protect American jobs better than a booming economy.

Did you read Rebane's post?

Mikey McD

Only when the progressive acknowledges the fact that economic activity is essential to the employment/wages of the masses can the real debate begin.

How to foster robust economic growth?

Does higher or lower taxes foster economic activity?
Do regulations help foster economic activity?
Does political uncertainty foster economic activity?
Does right-to-work foster economic activity?
Does unlimited legal liability foster economic activity?

D. King

Simple and concise George; it’s a shame that some still won’t get it.

Todd Juvinall

Apparently the revenues pouring into the Feds is the most ever. Yet, that is still way short of the demands made by the politicians on the people. I think the Federal Robin Hood has been defeated in America. Even he can't steal enough.

Douglas Keachie

"Nothing, absolutely nothing will create and protect American jobs better than a booming economy. "

Unless, of course, those economies are overseen by USA corps, and are located overseas.

Mikey McD

Keachie, looks like you will have to wait for the fall to get a seat.

https://ssbprod.sierracollege.edu/PROD/pw_sigsched.p_process

Douglas Keachie

That link don't hunt.

Mikey McD

Sierra College: ECON 0001A - Fundamentals of Economics- Summer course: FULL.

http://www.sierracollege.edu/

Douglas Keachie

Took it at UC berkeley,many moons ago. Have done plenty of post grad study in the School of Hard Knocks. Life Long Learner and Observer.

Douglas Keachie

"Berkeley" Am typing without my glasses.

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Well - My first post was a joke, but after reading the other posts, I'll have to weigh back in. Douglas Keachie does a good job of letting us see the inner workings of the progressive mind. He believes that the wealthy possess what they have because the govt doesn't take it away fast enough. 'You argue for inordinate rewards, and the current top 1% owns 20% of the country already, thanks to the tax cuts running from Reagan onwards for the wealthy.' Have the progressives ever asked where the wealthy get their money? They earn it - just as anyone can. If one man goes to the gym every day and works out and eats a healthy diet, he will get fitter and stronger. His neighbor lies around all day and drinks beer. He doesn't get stronger, he gets sicker and weaker. Why are we supposed to try to stop that? Not once has any of the brilliant progressive lights that post here been able to explain how private enterprise or the free market can take one dime of money from any free citizen in this country, with out the citizen voluntarily giving it up. I'm now, of course going to have to say "other than Obama care" - but that is not Constitutional or free market in any sense. If you don't want to give Bill Gates any money, then don't give him any. It has been my observation over the years that lower and middle class Americans are very good at blowing huge wads of their incomes on: cheaply made junk that doesn't last, going out to eat a lot, making a lot of interest payments on credit cards and time payments, laying out large sums of money on entertainment, generally not saving their money or investing in lasting goods or useful goods. If the middle class of America lived within their means and invested, they would own a great deal more than they do. I watched a great number of refugees from Asia come to this country with nothing and as soon as they had an income, they started investing and saving. One family of several brothers and sisters helped each other build their own home. They now all own their own homes and have invested further in commercial real estate. Even in the down turn they are doing alright because they never extended themselves out on a credit limb. They have no college degrees, can speak only passable English, have had no special program to help them, save the one that got them to this country. Yet they have, in one generation, overtaken most of the people living in this country in wholly-owned assets. Once, I was asked by a former Vietnamese why our tax code favors debt and punishes asset building? He pointed out that it hurts the ones that build the country and seemed at odds with our so-called free enterprise system. I had no answer.

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