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11 September 2011

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Kathy Jones

I hope America never forgets.

But in our method of remembrance are we letting "them" win again?

Take a look back in our not so distant history.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-wiener-anniversaries-20110909,0,4757773.story

George Rebane

Great perspective KathyJ, thanks.

Consider that on an average day about 7,000 people die in the United States, day in and day out.

On this day of remembrance, if we only lament the loss of those 3,000 odd lives and don't remember how and why they died, we will dishonor their special sacrifices and our civilization. And the memorial of their deaths must remain an eternal reminder of how special and valuable is our civilization if we are to preserve it.

Douglas Keachie

Bingham and Company sent the clearest and most lasting message to the Taliban and others of similar mindsets. I suspect their actions have had more to do with the lack of additional attacks than all of Homeland Security. The S.E.A.L.S. this spring provided necessary reinforcement of the basic Bingham & Co. message, Americans can and will defend themselves, very, very vigorously and with amazing speed of assessment and implementation.

DC has an anti 2nd amendment gun complaint before the Supreme Court, according to Hoffmeyer?

George Rebane

Memo to file: Our church's observance of 9/11 carefully avoided any mention of why the day deserved special attention. A careful perusal of the words and prayers gave no one a hint. Those who died might just as well have died from a natural event like an earthquake, tsunami, or just a bad outbreak of food poisoning. There was no mention of sacrifice, no evil, just an unfortunate coincidence that so many extra people died on that day ten years ago. And so our nation girds its loins for the battles ahead.

Russ Steele

George,

Failing to recognize and acknowledge our enemy is wrong, even in a Church sermon.
Why is it necessary to recognize the enemy? Because our lives depend on it. Our ability to detect the enemy's entrance into our lives is essential to our survival. In the long term ignorance of the enemies' presence affects the quality of our lives. Our enemy wants to keep us defeated, frustrated and broken. As long as we deny their existence and allowed them to go unrecognized among us, nothing will change.

Todd Juvinall

The left in our country hates the Tea arty and Republican lawmakers more than they hate the murderers from Islam. I shake my head in disbelief.

Todd Juvinall

Here is liberal bloggers view from a liberal blog. This is an example of how screwed up the left is. America is at fault.

"If we really want to honor those that died, lets make damn sure it doesn’t happen again. That won’t come from breaking the country financially with constant war, its going to come from making sure we don’t sow the seeds of hate against America with foreign policies that screw people in other countries."

The Great Divide.

Steve Enos

Leave it to Todd to turn 9/11 into a left hates the Tea Party and Republican rants... more than a bit sick.

Todd Juvinall

So Steve, quoting one of your pals about the day is my fault? You are a sick puppy.

Douglas Keachie

I think Todd has misapplied George's term, "The Great Divide."

Douglas Keachie

I think Todd has misapplied George's term, "The Great Divide."

Chuck Whitten

George-
Sorry to hear your church failed to properly mention the reasons we remember 9/11. I'm proud to say that mine (Nevada City Baptist) did. I continue wondering what we lost the day those nearly 3000 people so tragically died. I wonder too about those they left behind. Those left behind are the true victims. I hope there will never be anything even remotely similar to 9/11, but I suspect there will be.

Douglas Keachie

The TP'ers made sure nobody forgot in the parade, by having each member carry a photo of a fallen hero, and walking in grim-faced silence. I liked the message of the Ali Baba Shriners, who seemed to occur in endless variations, much better. Far fewer groups represented this year. Excellent Presidents and wives, and bands, and flyby, pictures later this week, still catching up on football and Roamin Angels.

George Rebane

ChuckW - I'm sad to say that today's Christianity is in no shape to contend with Islam. Good to hear that there are still pockets that bear up.

DougK - As you might have expected, I was one of the grim-faced silent ones in that parade.

Nancy Garcia

The Tea Party Patriots marched today in the Constitution Day Parade, carrying photographs of firemen who died on 9/11 trying to save the lives of others. Some of the Patriots were passing out flag decals to people watching the parade. One lady refused to accept the decal stating that "I hate the Tea Party Patriots!" Is it possible to hate the Patriots more than you love this country? They are so fortunate to live in this country than so many others I could name!

Thank you George for posting that photograph on this day. It indeed reminds us all of the cost of freedom!

Nancy Garcia

Mr. K - I did not see your post before I wrote mine. We were not walking in grim faced silence - we were fighting back tears at the memory of who we lost and the families and friends who were left behind. Perhaps your "endless variations", football and Roamin Angels were much more important to you, in which case you badly need a tune-up on your heart, soul and priorities.

RL Crabb

Maybe there's room for joy, even on such a solumn occasion. It certainly was for me. On Friday I spent the evening on the balcony of the National with good friends. On Saturday my wife and I celebrated her 60th birthday (afew weeks early) by attending the Crosby/Nash concert, for us a journey back to our youthful innocent days. On Sunday we orchestrated a reunion of the Merry Widow Society at the newly restored Powell House. From there to the parade and dinner with the Marching Presidents, honoring the community service of Madelyn Helling.

When we got home, my brother-in-law announced that his mother, who is in our care, ate her first full meal in a week after suffering from a bad infection.

None of us forgot the importance of the day, but we realized how important it is to appreciate those who are still with us. It was a good day to be alive.

George Rebane

Thank you NancyG for pointing that out, I was glad that I was wearing sunglasses. It was an emotional experience for all of us, made doubly so by the throngs applauding as we passed, and many rising to honor the pictured fallen.

Kathy Jones

Today my 5 year old granddaughter gave me a delightful memory, on this date, I will carry with me forever.

She wasn't even thought of when 9/11 took place, but when I arrive at her home this morning various sizes of American flags were planted in various planters in her yard. "Mommy and Daddy put these here!" She pulled one up and waved it, then in her precious little voice just started saying the Pledge of Allegiance, perfectly by heart, all they way to the end. I clapped, was so surprised and asked her where she learned it. She responded, we say it in school every morning!

I am so proud of my kids for keeping the love of America alive in a new generation.


Douglas Keachie

@NancyG,

Generally I do shots in time taken order. Since nobody is directly paying me for any of them, I try to put them up in order. you probably have zero idea how much time is involved in editing and posting images. In addition to the couple of hours of shoot time, you can usually figure post shoot will consume about 1 minute for each image selected, reduced, imprinted both on the image and inside the file with copyright overlay, and then finally waiting for the images to upload.

Grim-faced does NOT mean devoid of legitimate emotion, in my book. Your mileage may vary. I shot probably at least 30 images of the marchers, and if tears are visible in an originals, I will upload the images unreduced, and uncopyrighted,so all can see and share for free. The Tea Party parader and demonstrators have not purchased ONE picture since I first shot them at the first demonstration in Sacramento, yet based on the number of views of the images, well into the thousands, I can pretty well guess they've downloaded and shared them, in violation of copyright, but they are not alone in doing this. I shot 1300 motorcyclists in less than 45 minutes last year at Christmas, spent 8 hours posting them, excluding upload times, and made all of thirteen sales. No shots this year, even though I appreciate their project.

As far as tuning up my soul, I could have skipped the parade altogether, and gone to Mannafest, but chose instead to stay, and was too tired (Friday night, NU, Saturday Afternoon, Sierra College in 100 degree heat, Sunday morning, Roamin Angels, Sunday afternoon, the Parade) to go on to Mannafest afterall. Maybe next year.

Walk a mile in my moccasins, before complaining.

www.flickr.com/photos/keachie Over 250,000 views so far, and yes, if you own an account, you learn not only the number of views, but also the sources of the views. I 'll look forward to your clicks.

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I darken the same temple doors as you George, and I can't say as I agree. Perhaps you were at first service and it was changed for the second? There is a CD available for review. The visuals certainly left no room for mistake as to what we were observing ten years out. The pulpit can only recognise the battle of good vs. evil and evil certainly has many forms. The sermon was about our relation to God when such events occur and how we are to respond. My disappointment is in how our govt responds by acting as if we deserve it or by trying to downplay who is responsible. I'm not going to get too up in the air about any of it as the events of a decade ago had already begun many years before even that and are ongoing to this day. Some Americans cause more disruption to our own economy every day than any Mohammadan. And our "way of life" is compromised and stolen more often by the nannies, lawyers, and leftists than by the followers of Allah. This is not a difficult problem. We convene a conference in Medina or Cairo or even Tehran. We inform the good readers of the Quran that we will pull back all of our troops from the mideast and they can do as they wish, but if they bother Israel or any other non-Muslim country in any way, we will turn Mecca into a pig farm. Any country that would interfere our might will be turned into a sheet of glass. We can do that, if we have the nerve. There will be lee-way, of course as some radicals will try to stir the pot and start trouble. The world will amaze at the start of self discipline amongst the "moderates" who follow the call from the minarets. Harsh? What we face every day is worse. Live free or die is not just a slogan on a tee shirt. I am sick of seeing every day our good men and women die for corrupt and stupid fools, while we Americans are no better off for their sacrifice. We need to serve the terms of surrender to our enemies and make good our threats. If not, we deserve the consequences of our cowardice.

Douglas Keachie

@NancyG

I have posted the 24 good shots. I ran out of chip room and decided to take a brief break. Chip change and drink of water, and just the motorcycles were left. Haven't off loaded the second chip yet. Patience, Prudence.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/keachie/collections/72157627003553262/

Click on icons to see contents, and once images are visible, click to see an image larger.

D. King

Thanks for the pictures Douglas.

Barry Pruett

As always Doug, your pictures are awesome. Our daughter's birthday party was yesterday, so we could not go, but now I feel like I just went to the parade. Thank you!

Todd Juvinall

Thanks for the great pics!

Douglas Keachie

Thank-you all!

George Rebane

Thanks for taking and sharing the pictures DougK.

George Rebane

ScottO - Yes, we attended the first service, and to that service you had to bring your own knowledge of what 9/11 was and means to America. The service provided none of that but, instead, spoke about tragedy, healing, forgiveness, ... . Even the DVD shown said nothing of 9/11 with the images showing what appeared to be a high-rise fire. You had to insert your own knowledge that it was the WTC.

Walt

The Tea Party "dislikers" were well behaved this time around. I only got two derogatory single fingers. They were side by side.
From my vantage point, I also saw people change their demeanor as we came down the street. Hats came off in respect to the fallen, hands went over hearts. I would see people mouthing " Thank You".
Half way down, a couple of people from the crowd joined us as we walked by. One only had a small American flag on a stick, but he held it high with pride. That got me to tear up a little. I do believe he new to the U.S., he had a broken English, heavy accent from I don't know where. Our local Tea Party just got some new members.

Kathy Jones

Today's Union Newspaper

"Members of the Nevada County Tea Party Patriots took first place in Sunday's 45th annual Constitution Day parade with a moving tribute to firefighters who died trying to save others during the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11 a decade ago."

Ben Emery

I challenge Rumination Regulars to listen to this segment. http://www.democracynow.org/2011/9/12/from_one_ground_zero_to_another

The attacks on 9/11 were horrific, immoral, and a crime, not an act of war from a sovereign nation. The reasons for why it happened has never been explored in legitimate public discourse due to the fear of being labeled anti-American. The bigoted reasons that we are the targets for a holy war strictly because of the writings and teachings of Qur'an isn't a reasonable legitimate reason for the response of the Bush/ Blair administrations.
The response should have been based on the real reasons of WHY the attacks were acted out not because exploitation of a shocked citizenry and through fear.

Ben Emery

Kathy,
It is a bit two faced to support public workers in public events but at the same time fight against their rights to organize and have a decent living wage along with secure retirement benefits.

"Wisconsin public sector workers and their supporters show no signs of slowing down their protests against Republican Gov. Scott Walker's anti-union legislation -- but conservative organizations are mobilizing their own robust efforts to back the governor.

More than 50 Tea Party leaders have signed a letter addressed to Walker encouraging him to press ahead with his plan. The letter comes from American Solutions, the conservative advocacy group formed by former House Speaker Newt Gingrich." http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20035343-503544.html

George Rebane

BenE re 757pm - the very people who attacked us, and continue to do so daily, have declared loudly and consistently that they are in a holy war against us. Why is accepting their own testimony "bigoted"?

BenE re 806pm - supporting public workers for their public work, and opposing their attempts to continue breaking the public bank are totally independent matters (semantically orthogonal). There is nothing two-faced about it except possibly the accusations from the left.

Russ Steele

Douglas,

Great pictures! We were out of town and could not march. Thanks for sharing.

Ben Emery

George,
I would argue that China has declared and acted out a more effective monetary/ trade war on the US and is successfully dismantling the very things that we have become to understand as the American standard of living.

So if I were to speak out against the Tea Party daily but publicly support them a couple times a year it would be ok with the TP and yourself? The lack of ability to admit the truth from you and the RR is astonishing. I almost never speak out against the Tea Party because I agree with them that our government is corrupt and no longer represents the American people. I hope one day the TP will realize that our government has been taken over and it is these entities who are the enemy not the government. Government can work as long as we have people in it who believe it can work. I don't believe in dividing the working class if we want to oust those who control the policies that are hurting America and the world. I see equal justice in the forms of economic, social, and legal for the future of America. The TP and myself have different perceptions of what the founders set up and the future for America. I think it was Irving Kristol who said something along the lines of

Conservatives love America for what made it great and Liberals love America for how great it can become.

I think the answer lies within a combo of the two.

Todd Juvinall

BenE, since you make no difference between the Tea Party's respect for public employees, firefighters, policemen, and the unions they belong to let me ask you this. Weren't you one of the people that said they supported the troops but not the mission? Wasn't that something you and your ilk were passing when you all appeared Anti American during the heyday of the Iraq war?

Ben Emery

I do support our military but do not support the invasions the leaders sent them into to, I believe that is also supporting the soldiers and military. I don't believe in sending our military men and women into harms way putting their families and lives at risk to irreversible damage unless it absolutely necessary.

What the TP party did was actively pursue policies that would make it much harder for public workers to their jobs at the best of their abilities. Much different situation but nice try. I do not play political games with other peoples lives as it seems you do, sorry to see that ugly truth exposed.

This example is more in line with a Labor Day Parade organizer in Wisconsin not allowing the republican lawmakers to participate in the parade due to their other 364 days of the year working against the ideals that Labor Day represents. Make sure you listen closely at the 2 minute point.
http://www.mrctv.org/videos/wisconsin-unions-bans-republicans-labor-day-parade

Kim Pruett

Great photos Doug! I always enjoy them. I think this is the first parade we have missed in years,we had our daughter Lilly's 14th birthday party, and collected donations for Friends of the Nevada County Military in honor of 9/11. Lilly is starting this month to help pack boxes with friends as part of her service project for 8th grade, we are hoping she continues this through high school as it is a great organization. The tea party's entry in the parade was incredibly moving from what I have heard and seen, I am so happy that it went well. Barry and I got up early that morning at 5:30am, to watch the 9/11 memorial on TV, I will never forget that day 10 years ago, but like Bob Crabb said, there are things that we can find joy in, even in the midst of all the bad. We watched our children swim and play on the beach all day, it put joy in my heart on a day that is filled with sorrow.

Kathy Jones

Ben,

I can't find any place in our Constitution where it says people can't have differences of opinions.

I also can't find where organized unions are necessary to have public workers.

Todd Juvinall

Public employee unions are to be banned under a Juvinall administration.

Walt

I see someone just had to throw " unions" into the mix, when it comes to the Tea party. Well here's a clue for you. Firefighters,, union, non- union, and volunteer alike get killed in the line of duty. A firefighter is just that. A firefighter.... And as a former firefighter, ( volunteer for years) Politics stop when the alarm bell rings. ( and at the grave side) So the Tea Party's honoring of the fallen firefighters has Jack squat to do with union VS Non-union.
But only a LIB could make that leap. And on 9/11 no less.

Douglas Keachie

There wouldn't be any public employees under a Juvinall administration, as driving the economy into a powerdive would result in no taxes to support any public employees. Good luck with the proven false tax cuts for imaginary job creators, strategies. Someday the Wylie Coyotes of the Tea Party will wake up and find themselves standing on thin air, with the rocks and river far below, and approaching quickly. Too bad your ACME parachute was made in China by the cheapest bidder.

Douglas Keachie

Glad everyone is enjoying the pictures. I posted a few more from the Lyman Gilmore band, and a nice set of the Reader Ranch cattle drive.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/keachie/sets/72157627538607189/detail/

Be sure also to look up McGuire's story from 2007 for more details:

http://www.mcguiresplace.net/Cattle%20Drive/

Douglas Keachie

"Even the DVD shown said nothing of 9/11 with the images showing what appeared to be a high-rise fire. You had to insert your own knowledge that it was the WTC."

Excellent Daily Double Visual Question for the current events poll test of current events. If you don't know that was the Twin Towers/WTC, you don't get to vote.

Todd Juvinall

The reason I don't engage DK is because he did it again with my last post. He apparently does a "on purpose" parse of my comment. Then rants on his own parse.

Ben Emery

Kathy,
The US Constitution gives the power to make laws and the right to form a union was made law in 1935 with the Wagner Act. You are correct, we have the right to disagree and I am exercising that right with your opinion.

Walt

So, Ben,,, which union do you belong too? I have been there and done that. NEVER again.

Todd Juvinall

Right on Walt. One only needs to have ONE inyeraction with a union to know it is the biggest scam on the working man. I too had interactions.

Kathy Jones

The Wagoner Act specifically states it does NOT apply to federal, state or local government workers.

Last I checked public school teachers, police, fire people, etc are not protected by the Wagoner Act.

Bonnie M

Personally, I think the controversy over Tea Party Patriots can be compared with the story about the Emperors New Clothes. What's so bad about being an American who believes in freedom and the Bill of Rights guarantee? All the rest of it is gobbly goop through mass hypnosis.

Nancy...You did a beautiful job making those memorial posters for the Constitution Day Parade. http://www.mcguiresplace.net/Events-Constitution%20Day%20Parade%202011

Douglas K...Love your photos of the Reader cattle drive. Makes me wish I still had a horse to ride.

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