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08 October 2011

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RL Crabb

The basic problem, which has been pointed out to us in past ruminations, is that there are not enough jobs left to employ the unemployed. Manufacturing is unlikely to make a big comeback. The types of businesses that are proving successful (Google, Facebook, etc.) generate huge profits with a tiny workforce. And while you might argue that these internet businesses have created a platform to advertise new businesses, how many start-ups can survive selling recipes and solar powered potato peelers? Who will have any money to buy them?

Russ Steele

RR Readers, George is still having connectivity issues and will comment when he gets the issue resolved.

Russ

Russ Steele

In 1959, manufacturing represented 28 percent of U.S. economic output. In 2008, it represented 11.5 percent. This is negative trend does not indicated a repaid job recovery. All most every American above the age of 12 has a cellphone. None of these millions of cell[phones were manufactured in the US. Look around your house, and realize more of the electronics and small appliance you see are not manufactured in the US.

D. King

Could someone explain to me how changing the patent laws from "First to Invent" (The Inventor) to "First ti Publish" (Whom ever steals the idea and runs to the patent office first and says " It was me!") will help to spur on inovation that can help to create jobs.

I would really like to know.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCDvkzHXO6A

Too late, stupid people!

D. King

whomever and innovation...Sorry

stevenfrisch

A good start on changing the dynamic would be committing to a Buy American mindset. Even better is buying local. The power of the consumer making billions of decisions a day will always be greater than the power of government.

http://buyamericanchallenge.wordpress.com/

Walt

This keeps getting better and better. The Tea Party was vilified by the Left from day one, and called a "bunch of radicals" by elected officials and Left wing media. But this bunch gets a pat on the back by the same people. How many arrests of Tea Party people? NONE! As for this gang, the count is nearing a thousand. And the Left calls this "peaceful". If you read their crap, it sounds like the rantings of the unabomber. Someone needs to turn on the sprinklers at the park. If anything else, they will get a much needed bath.

Paul Emery

"Van Jones, the self-declared communist"

Can someone lead me to where Van Jones declared he was a Communist? I'm assuming that means he declared was a member of the Communist Party (capital letters).

Walt

Paul,, I had some links to youtube vids that had him making those comments. I had over five differant ones. Now they have been yanked from the net. Damage control is in the works. But Wiki still has references to his radical views. Better get there before revisionism gets there first.

Brad Croul


The government has been a job creator for decades. Jobs were created during WWII and that carried on for decades with all the “police actions” that followed and with the space race. In the WWII and space race cases, these gov. programs created a unifying effect, bringing people together for a common “good”. After 9-11, we again had a short-lived feeling that we were all in it together. But now we are fracturing into feuding factions, not so much as a result of our leader’s plans, but because some people think that government should only make war, and the jobs that go with it.

The end result of war is that billions or trillions of dollars of machinery, buildings and infrastructure is blown up or wrecked and it now needs to be rebuilt. Government sponsored wars result in many jobs being created to blow up stuff and then rebuild the blown up stuff and make new war machines. Is this the only kind of economic plan conservative hawks can get behind?

The strange part about wars is that nobody seems to care as long as business is good and don’t seem to care about how these trillions in costs are financed. But, heaven forbid the mighty howl that erupts when the gov. tries to sponsor programs that help the environment, improve transportation, or provide for the health of people.

When I start hearing from conservatives that war is a cost we cannot afford if we want to keep taxes low, only then will I listen to them when they question whether government created jobs in non-military related industries is worth it.

stevenfrisch

Give me a break, "yanked from the net"!

D. King

Oh My GOD! The Chinese are out of control.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/10/08/global-warming-is-a-bogus-proposition/

“Global warming is a bogus proposition…”

They tricked us!

/sarc

Walt

Jones's Marxist and Communist leanings and involvement are all over the place if you have half the courage to look. He backed "STORM". ( look it up) He's a "truther". ( look it up).
Jones has his fingers in this new age hippie gang.
So if there was "nothing" behind all this, Why isn't he still a czar in the WH??

"His involvement with the Bay Area radical group Standing Together to Organize a Revolutionary Movement (STORM), which had Marxist roots, had also become an issue. And on Saturday his advocacy on behalf of death-row inmate Mumia Abu-Jamal, who was convicted of shooting a Philadelphia police officer in 1981, threatened to develop into a fresh point of controversy."

NNaaaa Not a Commie...LOL!!

Paul Emery

It's very simple. To verify that Van Jones said he was a Communist there should be some kind of documentation. Disappearing you tubes don't qualify. Being part of a movement that has supposedly "Marxist roots" does not make you a Communist. Are we reverting to McCarthyism? That was a grand chapter in American history.


I was a member of he Student Non Violent Coordinating Committee. Does that make me a "self declared Communist"? Also I believe that Mumia Abu-Jamal was framed and have appeared in fund raisers to support him. Dies that make me a Communist? Also I was a member of the Young Americans For Freedom in my youth. Does that make me a John Bircher or Right Wing Fascist?

It's too bad George chose to go in that direction because mostly his essay makes a lot of sense.

Mikey McD

Fact: Government cannot/does not create jobs.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BHLguFEN3M&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFVR9Nv43J4&feature=player_embedded

Paul Emery

The government does create jobs Mikey. Look at the jobs created by taxpayer subsidies of hight tech defense contractors. Trillions spent on useless and unconstitutional wars. As a Libertarian you should be the first one up in arms (no pun intended) about that. Look at the Aero Space industry. All government created jobs.


Also look at what really pulled us out of the Great Depression, WWII. Assuming that war was just and constitutional it was still the government through deficit spending doing all the hiring and subsidizing industry. It took till 1959 to pay the bills on that one.

Walt

Right from the BAY itself.

Here’s how the East Bay Express described the Van Jones’ background:

[Van] Jones had planned to move to Washington, DC, and had already landed a job and an apartment there. But in jail, he said, “I met all these young radical people of color — I mean really radical, communists and anarchists. And it was, like, ‘This is what I need to be a part of.’” Although he already had a plane ticket, he decided to stay in San Francisco. “I spent the next ten years of my life working with a lot of those people I met in jail, trying to be a revolutionary.” In the months that followed, he let go of any lingering thoughts that he might fit in with the status quo. “I was a rowdy nationalist on April 28th, and then the verdicts came down on April 29th,” he said. “By August, I was a communist.”

Like I said. If you have half the courage to look.
But keep defending him. And I guess the next thin you will say is that he has nothing to do with the OCCUPY BS.

Example after example can be given of how factions on the Left are driving to turn the United States into some version of a Socialist state, you will deni it.( unless that's exactly what you want)
But people like me, and others will be there to fight that at every turn.
Big GOV isn't your saviour. It's your oppresser.

Steve Frisch

Frankly I don't really care if Van Jones was a former communist or not. I evaluate people by the quality of their ideas; and Mr. Jones has a lot of good ideas. He also has some I disagree with.

By the way, saying, "I was a communist" as a young man, and being part of a violent revolutionary communist movement whose aim is to overthrow the US government and instill a totalitarian form of government, are two entirely different things. In US history we have labeled many organizations as communist that have been far from it, see Paul's example above.

There is nothing inherently wrong with being a communist in America. We enjoy political freedom and the communist party is a political party like any other. One may disagree with his choice, but his right to make the choice is inherent.

I once attended meetings of the Revolutionary Communist Party of America while I was attending the University of Illinois as a freshman (they raised money for their paper by selling cookies on campus). Of course I also attended meetings of the John Birch Society and went to see Some little freak from the American Nazi Party speak. Doesn't make me a commie, Birchers or nazi.

Paul, you have hit on the reason the best question to ask people here is "Have you no shame, Sir"

Walt

This says it all.

"There is nothing inherently wrong with being a communist in America. We enjoy political freedom and the communist party is a political party like any other"


Walt

BTW Steve,, about the only thing Socialists like about the Constitution at this point is the 1ST Amendment.( but only when it's something "they" agree to.)
And one more thing. My wife's Aunt still has the scars from a bullet escaping Communist rule of Eastern Germany. So try and remind her just how great it is.

Steve Frisch

You are right, that does say it all. Being a communist is 100% legal in the United States of America. It is a protected status under our Condtitution. Being a proponent of the violent overthrough of the United States government is not. Do you have a problem with that?

Greg Goodknight

The Great Depression was a recession made horribly worse when the government allowed the money supply to implode. WWII was, along with an entry into a just war, a reinflation of the money supply. The post war boom was domestic demand being supplied for the first time in a generation or two, plus we were the only superpower on the block, with all our wartime production capacity intact. Wahoo. Wasn't rusted out until the 70's.

When the government taxes and spends a dollar on a good or service that is needed, that's a good thing. When it's a good or a service that isn't needed, it's money wasted, capital diverted away from where it could create wealth rather than being dissipated, thrown to the four winds.

When I spend my money on something I need, I get good value.
If I spend my money on something I think you need, I get an ok value but you won't be as satisfied.
If I spend your money to buy something for someone else, I get a lousy value but who cares?

Government spending tends to be in the last category.

PS Frisch sure hit all the totalitarian bases in his youth.

Walt

Yes I DO!! Because Communism stands for everything the U.S. isn't, and based upon. If you like it so much, N. korea would be a good place for you to be. Maybe Venezuela? I hear the weather is nice.
Hugo just might have a place for ya'.
As for the last part of your screed, you might want to have a little talk with your Comrades. This is a taste of what I got on another "discussion" thread.

" Kill the Tea Party Terrorists & Kill Them NOW

The Tea Party has made no secret of their evil intentions to take America back to what it was at the point-in-time that existed during the Boston Tea Party, a time when African-Americans were slaves and deemed a fraction of a person. The Tea Party’s objective is to kill African-Americans by attrition, by denying us employment"
etc,,etc,, Bla Bla Bla.

Peacful my .......

stevenfrisch

Walt, you seem to be confused. I am not arguing that socialist or communist countries are good. I never said any such thing. I am a dyed in the wool Capitalist. However I am also an American, and our constitution clearly spells out what our rights and responsibilities are. And freedom of speech, assembly, association and thought are clearly covered my friend. I don't need to go anywhere, this is my country, every bit as much as it is yours or any other citizen's.

But I do find it interesting that those who claim to support 'respect for our constitution and bill of rights' seem to have so little knowledge of what freedom the constitution actually supports.

stevenfrisch

Ah....Greg. How trite you can be. I also worked in a Republican congressman's office, one Henry Hyde, and worked for an Independent presidential campaign, John Anderson.

D. King

Here you go Walt, it's a brave new world of stupid!
...and they speak with one voice, just listen!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QZlp3eGMNI&feature=player_embedded

Walt

Under Commie rule, do you believe you would have what you do today Steve? I think not.What do you think would happen if you spoke badly about the GOV? HHuuMMMM???? Good thing your in the U.S.... Right?
With this OCCUPY,, your getting a preview of what happens when GOV runs out of other peoples money. The "have nots" are pissed that they can't get anymore from the "haves".

stevenfrisch

Well Walt, no I don't believe that I would have the freedom I have today under a communist system, that's one reason I am not a communist, or a socialist, but an independent. I have voted for Republicans, democrats, independents, greens and even a libertarian once or twice. What part of what I said don;t you understand? Do you acknowledge that the constitution gives Van Jones or anyone else the right to be a communist if they want to? Would you deny them that right? If so, then I would send you back to read the constitution once again.

I have warned here many times, when the have nots rise up be very worried, they are the vast majority and it is about time they are pissed.

D. King

Your right Steve, it could snap!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0V1pkhJqF8

Walt

In my opinion ANYONE that professes Communism is an enemy of the state. Yes we have a First Amendment, but when that right is used to encourage the attack of our freedoms, THAT I have an issue with.
A Communist party? Why would there be one other than to further their political agenda? So what have they done? Dropped "Socialist", "Marxist", "Communist", and came up with "Progressive" in their place. They just use Democrat for old times sake.
I feel a little better know knowing just which side you might be on when the shooting starts.

Walt

But what gets me is how someone who couldn't pass a background check to get passed the lobby of the FBI, gets elected to the highest office in the land, and then get a few of his buddies
that are just as questionable, get positions of power and control. ( like dear old Van)

Walt

On another note, Good ol' GOV. Moonbeam just stuck it to us again.

"Gov. Brown signs second half of bill to allow illegal immigrants to apply for state-funded scholarships and aid at California state universities....."

Mikey McD

MYTH : "Also look at what really pulled us out of the Great Depression, WWII"

Paul, may I humbly suggest reading Bastiat's Essay... That Which Is Seen and That Which Is Unseen?

Government cannot create a job which it does not take from the private sector. It takes approx 6 private sector jobs to support 1 government 'employee' (same with NGO's, and other tax payer funded BS). Yes, the private defense industry does grow in times of war... but, other areas are sacrificed to pay for it (debt or excessive taxation).

D. King

Maybe this will help.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnzcZZjKUyA

D. King

This is funny!

http://houseofsunny.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/cartoon.jpg

Walt

LOL King!! Now if you just put some local characters to those hipsters. I think "Mike" is the one with the Commie tank top.LOL

Greg Goodknight

Frisch, how trite indeed:

"Frankly I don't really care if Van Jones was a former communist or not. I evaluate people by the quality of their ideas; and Mr. Jones has a lot of good ideas."

Certainly not, if The Green Collar Economy is any indication. A green new deal is green path to more poverty.

bill tozer

Interesting debate. Now my two cents about our President and job creation. I avoid using such labels as pinko, commie, or the combined form of commie pinko. The wonderful term Capitalistic Pig is a lofty and mighty force that creates long term jobs. I believe Obama does not have a passion, deep interest, nor understanding of macro economics. When O took office the dodo was hitting the fan. He listened to his advisers from academia (none of which actually met a payroll) and was told to rev up the printing presses, loot the Treasury, and dump unfathomable billions upon billions at the prob. End of story, prob solved and lets jump headlong with real passion and intensity into ObamaCare. Wait, what do you mean the economic problem is not solved? You are kidding, right? O had more Nobel Prize winners on his economic team than WalMart has freaky patrons. Heard from experts years ago that if the Soviet Union had our system of private enterprise and distribution, the Ruskies would be selling wheat in Kansas. But no, The USSR's wheat stood rotting on the docks as government regulation, bureaucracy, and the entire role of government managing the economy is one of many examples of faulty thinking. Maybe the USSR should have thrown more money at the economy so that people would not have to wait 6 months to a year for a new water pump for their government made cars.

Steve Frisch

Goodknight what is was calling trite and ridiculous was your innuendo that I prefer totalitarianism, and you know it, you sad pathetic little man. But all you ever want to do is pick a fight. Sad life you lead.

At least Van jones is doing something, unlike the trolls, lurkers, and angry old men who inhabit this space.

Steve Frisch

Meanwhile, I don't see anyone here standing up for the friggin' constitution. I guess it's a great document if one agrees with who's talkin'.

Greg Goodknight

I'm not responsible for your delusions, Frisch, and it's folks like you who have stretched the interstate commerce clause to cover anything the majority party wants.

Doing the wrong thing is often worse than doing nothing, and what Van Jones is doing is the wrong thing. The "green economy" is a chimera that is making us all the poorer. Well, maybe not all, I think Frisch's CEO spot probably is cushier than what most have.

Paul Emery

Van Jones was never a member of the Communist party. His "confession" has been discredited so many times it's not worth talking about.

I confess I was once a member of a John Birch Society wing called YAF or Young Americans for Freedom. I used to push petitions and poster cars with JBS propaganda that the Civil Rights Movement was part of the Communist conspiracy. So what does that make me today?

Todd Juvinall

Van Jones admitted he was a member of the communist party and that was played over and over again on all the news shows (his admittance from his own mouth). That led to his leaving the Obama Administration. Sorry to say Paul you just need to watch a bit more national news.

American jobs were so plentiful as late as 2007 that we had news story after news story on how Americans would not do certain jobs so the illegals were pouring n to do them. You all remember that? Sure you do, and what happened? The real estate and housing industry went down the crapper and I would say all those unemployed folks in America are related to those industries. Millions of construction workers, appliance makers, carpet and cabinet makers, out of work. Why? Because government policies forced upon the real estate industry and the banks to lend to people who could not afford to pay back the loans caused a huge spike in prices and the costs of goods and services to build the home. Who did this? Barney Frank, Maxine Waters and Christopher Dodd were the main culprits. Then when Obama was elected he doubled down on the economic woes by printing a couple of trillion dollars and sent it not to the main street people who were in real estate but to his union buddies. That saved their jobs for about 24 months and now we are back to square one. Since there are 16 million Americans whop are no longer pounding nails, erecting high rise condos or putting in new roads and water lines, the economy has gone backwards. America has always gone forward and when there was a blip in the forward movement it did not last long. Real Estate always brought America out of recessions. When the left has their way in governance we all get to see what they want. They want zombies. Just look at how they steer the tax money to the areas they deem as most important. "Green". Now we see in real world examples how this works. It doesn't. But there are many leeches to the tax dollar out there and we know who they are. NGO's, non-profit green boondoggles and solar companies. America has to clean out the leeches and get back to being the capitalist America.

Todd Juvinall

Walt, maybe Frisch is in support of Hugo's latest government program. Maybe he could get a ocean front condo from him. This is why the left is a danger to our country. Read this.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/chavez-to-seize-homes-and-hotels-for-the-poor-on-idyllic-los-roques-2367385.html

Greg Goodknight

"Meanwhile, I don't see anyone here standing up for the friggin' constitution. I guess it's a great document if one agrees with who's talkin'."

Obama catches some flack when he's "talkin' " like he's a just a regular guy. Frisch, you're even more inauthentic; you just don't have the knack.

stevenfrisch

Todd, as I said I don't give a damn if Van sympathized with communists as a youth or not; but I think you are wrong about him being a 'member of the communist party". If you can show me a registration, official party membership, in the communist party I will donate $1000 to the charity of your choice.

Pathetic people here.

stevenfrisch

I want to hear at least one conservative defender of the constitution state unequivocally here that Van Jones has a perfect right to associate with the political party and philosophy of his choice.

I find it ironic that you would defend the rights of only some Americans. It speaks volumes about your real agenda. It is not protection of the constitutional rights, it is advancement of your preferred philosophy.

Each and every one of you is a living example of the bold faced lie that the Tea Party and its allies really are.

Greg Goodknight

Paul, if I may recall an old bit of wisdom... "N'être pas républicain à vingt ans est preuve d'un manque de cœur ; l'être après trente ans est preuve d'un manque de tête. (Not to be a republican at 20 is proof of want of heart; to be one at 30 is proof of want of head)-François Guizot

With the knowledge that républicain here is in the 19th century French sense of the word, this would seem to say you're both heartless and brainless.

Greg Goodknight

Frisch, in the spirit of George's post, just how much has each "green job" created in the last couple of years cost us?

Todd Juvinall

It is amazing to me that self proclaimed "smarter" than the average bear Frisch makes a claim about the conservative right not defending the constitutional rights of a communist. That simply shows his ignorance in what we stand for. Frisch, we are obviously smarter than you about the document our Founders put together. You want a loyalty oath apparently, we don't. We think America is stronger because all points of view are allowed to speak. You and your ilk are the "pushers" of PC, not us. You probably were the pie thrower at Ann Coulter weren't you? We are the people of the Constitution because we allow all to stand at the podium, unafraid a nut from your ilk will throw a shoe or a pie. You are pathetic in your inability to even make sense.

Regarding the Van Jones self "outing" as a communist. He was on all the news shows for days three years ago. He was a proud communist. You must not have been "in country" when all that was happening. We remember.

Greg Goodknight

Frisch, vous êtes le seul pathétique!

Todd Juvinall

Here Frischie, read this

"Jones was a founder and leader of the communist revolutionary organization Standing Together to Organize a Revolutionary Movement, or STORM. STORM worked with known communist leaders. The leftist blog Machete 48 (link:) identifies STORM's influences as "third-worldist Marxism (and an often vulgar Maoism)."

Todd Juvinall

Since you are a tax payer funded non=profit Frisch, please tell us how many private sector jobs your SBC has created and maintained this year would you please?

Walt

Todd, I pointed that out to him. He just refused to see it.
Steve "claims" to be conservative, but still defends the needle bending Leftist. Conservative? I think NOT. Why is it that Lefties
believe telling fibs is fine and dandy? They don't have a problem
with their own people claiming they were in battle, wearing medals they didn't earn, and telling stories about fighting they were NEVER in? " Stolen Valor" ring a bell? Lefties have a REAL problem with truth and facts.

bill tozer

Jobs are created when people buy stuff. No buying stuff, no jobbies created, despite the bonehead economic policies the has come out of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Case in point is the 500 million for green jobs training. The first 200 million spent on training green workers. Yep, 8,000 jobs are a far cry from the 80,000 jobs promised by O. People are not running out buying solar panels with gleeful anticipation and littering the rooftops of our nation with them. People not buying them, people not finding jobs installing them. Now the R's want the other 300 million returned to the Treasury in the name of common sense, waste, fraud, and abuse. Most of the O save our country plan went to states who used it to cover Medicaid. Hmmm, not very many jobs created there. Some went to school districts and they hired teachers for a year or so until they got the pink slipped when the Stimulus well started to dry up. Meanwhile, the Apple store in NYC is open 24/7 with long lines of folks waiting to get in and buy stuff. Don't think Steve Jobs needed some gov't help or advice on how to run his business. Think he has created a long lasting job or two. I could be wrong.

Steve Frisch

Walt, you are o full of sh@t. I have never claimed to be a conservative, or in the military, nor do I defend any democrat who claims military experience who did not have it. But if you want to look at the record of current political leadership and who has military experience I suggest you do so. You will find hat it's the republicans that have a record of being chicken-hawks.

And what part of "defending the needle-bending left" am I engaged in? I am merely pointing out that you and others here are proving your constitutional principles by engaging in promoting UN-constitutional behavior.

What you guys are really missing is that in your zeal to cut everything you are cutting off America's nose to spite it's face.

Here is a great analysis that I think might resonate with some here:

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/278758/end-future-peter-thiel?page=1

Todd Juvinall

Walt as you can read from the self proclaimed "not a conservative, never served in the military" fellow, he knows more than all of us combined. Leeches always suck the life out of the host don't they?

Greg Goodknight

"I want to hear at least one conservative defender of the constitution state unequivocally here that Van Jones has a perfect right to associate with the political party and philosophy of his choice."

I want to hear Frisch quote where anyone has claimed otherwise. A classic Frisch straw man, and why he thinks the Peter Theil piece supports his position in any way awaits clarification...
"Today’s aged hippies no longer understand that there is a difference between the election of a black president and the creation of cheap solar energy; in their minds, the movement towards greater civil rights parallels general progress everywhere. Because of these ideological conflations and commitments, the 1960s Progressive Left cannot ask whether things actually might be getting worse."

Walt

So which Repubs did you vote for? It seems then you go in any direction the wind blows.

So your also defending the OCCUPY thugs? Then you better take a good look at some of these PICS. ( if you dare)

You will NEVER see this from the Tea Party.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2046586/Occupy-Wall-Street-Shocking-photos-protester-defecating-POLICE-CAR.html

Walt

BTW Stevey,, a lot of these "fine upstanding people" are VAN JONES followers.

Walt

Now to put you to task Steve,,, Just where were you and the SBC when my boss dropped dead, and his widow was trying to keep the company running? Isn't that what your supposedly there to do? Help business? Or was it up to her to come to you and beg for help?
Or does that cut into your own paycheck?

Steve Frisch

Greg, Walt did say that when he said that he does have a problem with Van Jones having a right to his political affiliations under our constitution.

Any 8th grader in America would be smarter than Todd.

The Theil price points out pretty clearly that we are farting around the edges of job creation and rebuilding Americas place in the world rather than moving forward with bold vision. The people holding us back from bold vision are the people that seem to be loved here; the intransigent, do-nothing, complaining, rigid, refusing, politically shallow republicans who are willing to sit on their asses for 18 months rather than work together to put people back to work, because they hate the President so much. How unpatriotic is that? Hugely unpatriotic and manipulative. They should be ashamed of themselves.

And Walt, I don't know you from Adam, am sorry your boss died, and hope things turned out OK. But how completely ridiculous of you to ask this question.

Steve Frisch

Oh yeah, I don't agree with all, or probably even most,of the signs held in the photos referenced above, nor with defecating in the street, but where was the Tea Party when people showed up with signs depicting our President as pick-a-ninny?--oh I know, they were using their terrorist cell like structure to exercise plausible deniability. What I will see from the Tea Party is tolerated racism, bold faced lies, and predatory corporate apologistics.

I really hope the Occupy movement takes off, causes enough anxiety to lead to true financial reform, and we get some positive change out of it. I suspect the issues will coalesce, leadership will emerge, the fringe will be minimized, and it will become a counter social movement to the Tea Party.

Todd Juvinall

Frisch, my cat has more brains than you. You are simply a numbskull. But you do provide us with a comedic break.

One thing is for sure, you are a infantile hypocrite. You claim all here are racists yet you never supply the racial makeup of your hiring practices. Or the gender. My guess is you are what you are calling everyone else, a simple racist and sexist woose.

Todd Juvinall

Walt, he only cares about himself. A typical liberal crybaby. He has no answers because he is a failure at his profession. Whatever that is.

Walt

So SBC is a DO NOTHING org. except to line their own pockets.
How much have you raked in, VS what went out to "help" Business?
How many jobs have you brought to town that is verifiable?
"and hope things turned out OK" What a load....

A good audit of SBC is in order. Right up there with Solyndra.

D. King

It seems so long ago when this young president lowered taxes to create jobs and was then assassinated by a communist espousing similar anti-capitalist rhetoric of today’s progressives...very sad!

http://tinyurl.com/3ow93d3

Todd Juvinall

Walt, I almost forgot. No Tea Party Patriot has been arrested yet and there were no signs or spitting that denigrated any race, creed or color. There were some leftwing plants with outrageous signs that the TPP threw out of their rallies though. Only the defecating on police car lefty's Frisch ardors do those things. You know, left wing free defecating in the First Amendment he defends. What a hoot. My 7 years old grandchild has more logic than Frisch.

Greg Goodknight

"Greg, Walt did say that when he said that he does have a problem with Van Jones having a right to his political affiliations under our constitution."-- Not that I could find. Perhaps a quote that supports your statement would clarify this point.


When Theil writes about "soft totalitarianism of political correctness in media and academia", Pelline and Frisch, two who have no real understanding of science or technology, both come to mind.

Bold leadership won't be found from the Sierra so-called Business Council, nor will it come from this White House, and I have no reason to believe the "politically shallow republicans" are not following their best judgment about what is best for the country. Doubling down on the first two years of mistakes isn't the way out.

Walt

And Stevie ( Wonder) might want to read his own web site before he takes shots at me.
Like his "locals first" (ha) program.

That's right Todd, The arrest count is Tea Party ZIP,,ZERO,,NONE, and Lefty longhairs 1000+, and counting.

Todd Juvinall

I think we are all kicking the lefty's butt here. As you can see he has fled without answering any of our questions.

stevenfrisch

Why would I answer these outrageous bulls&%$ accusations? This is just beat up on Steve morning. I don't mind. As long as you are wasting your time here you are not out organizing the forces of evil. :)

I think you all were over exposed to mercury as children. The entire crew here is a waste of good oxygen.

Walt

He probably went in full retreat to the Progressive site to lick his,,,... wounds.

bill tozer

Today I got a wee small taste of buying local and gov't regulation. I went to the cig store and bought a carton. Always get a free lighter when buying a carton. No more. The owner explained that new regs say he cannot give out free lighters. Told me the government now requires him to charge for lighters. I feigned a protest and asked how much is a lighter? He says he now charges a nickel for them, but is forbidden to give them away. Hmm, I plunked down a nickle and put the lighter in the glove box for emergencies. Certain this new policy will create jobs, LOL. Leave it to gov't regulations to run a business and get someone to part with an additional 5 red cents. Ah, its those little things in life I miss the most.

bill tozer

Perhaps it is time for "When in Rome, do as the Romans." I am talking about forming a little group to create green jobs. I know what to do: we could propose a worm farm that will create 9-12 jobs with living wage. Get the taxpayer via one of their tree hugging dirt worshiping gov't departments to kick down 26 million. With 26 million I guarantee I could keep the employees on payroll for more than a couple of years. They don't have to do anything except suck air and draw a wage. When the money runs out in a few years, simply reapply for more of those US dollars with debt forgiveness thrown in. Don't have to sell one single worm casting and maybe give truckloads of castings to organic pot...er...organic farmers. The expense would far less than the 6 million per job the government is currently spending on job creation. Call it redistribution of wealth, green jobs, and organic to boot. A win-win for the Van Jones crowd.

Greg Goodknight

Calling Steven Frisch:

"Greg, Walt did say that when he said that he does have a problem with Van Jones having a right to his political affiliations under our constitution."

-- Not that I could find. Perhaps a quote that supports your statement would clarify this point.

I suspect you just made it up.

Walt

He is toooo busy applying for more GOV grant money.
Drop a line to Soros Steve. Oh wait Soros might be cutting back
on progressive lib org.pay offs.He has an insider trading conviction to pay for.

Todd Juvinall

Just a leech Walt.

Walt

That's an insult to leeches. They can actually serve a useful purpose my friend. ( they are used to re attach severed arms, legs, fingers and toes)

Greg Goodknight

Now, now. Poor Steve just came here to punch you teabaggers out a but ended up with a bloody nose when folks swung back. I'd rather he feel comfortable enough to come back and either point out where "Walt did say that when he said that he does have a problem with Van Jones having a right to his political affiliations under our constitution", or admit that Walt really didn't write anything of the sort.

C'mon, Steve, do the right thing.

Walt

It's not going to happen. You expect a progressive to admit he's wrong? He took something out of context, and twisted it to suit he supposed needs. And it backfired.

Crow.... That's what's for dinner at the Steve house. Hope you pass feathers for a week.

D. King

Let's all sing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QTfNEDgusQ&feature=player_embedded

Walt

Mr. R. is going to have to write another good artical to flush out a Steve or two.
Ever been trap shooting George?.......PULL!!!!

Steve Enos

All the nasty personal, off topic attacks here sure are telling.

bill tozer

Now, lets be nice....yes, I am avoiding the current topic of bickering between posters and will try once again to stay on the topic of the article, misunderstanding job creation. (I do admit it takes a lot of self discipline to not bash those who misunderstand job creation). OK, one oil rig=500 jobs. Jobs pay about 6 figures with benefits and cost the government zero to create. Last week's unemployment data showed the economy created about 110,000 jobs, albeit 45,000 of those jobs were Verizon workers returning from their strike. So, how many government subsidized green jobs were created last month? Enough to compensate for the loss of 10 oil rigs? Six figure incomes? Pensions? Benefits? Somebody misunderstands job creation and it ain't those who sit in Ivory Towers. You got to get closer to the stink to know how jobs are created. http://money.msn.com/investing/unemployed-go-to-north-dakota-cnbc.aspx

bill tozer

opps, me bad....should have said somebody misunderstands job creation and it IS those sitting in Ivory Towers.......Sure, some advice of creating jobs are coming from Nobel winners.....but their advice is about as useful as Nobel Peace Prize winner Yasser Arafat lecturing us on creating peace.

Greg Goodknight

"All the nasty personal, off topic attacks here sure are telling."

You mean like when the local Corporate CEO falsely claimed another poster "said that he does have a problem with Van Jones having a right to his political affiliations under our constitution"?

Or maybe when that same Corporate CEO called me a "pathetic little man"? Or exclaimed "Walt, you are o full of sh@t", or "I think you all were over exposed to mercury as children. The entire crew here is a waste of good oxygen".

I'd have preferred the local riff raff taken the high road when Steven Frisch of the so-called Sierra Business Council ran off rather than justify or apologize for his little slanders, but I wouldn't blame them too much.

Walt

Well,,,, The "other" Steve just flew up like a clay pidgin. ( man I'm good..LOL) Off topic??? Not really. The "topic" is there, if you can see the trees though the forest. Too bad there is no button for you to push to remove comments, that Lefties like you loved to exploit to the fullest.
And what happened to Steve #1???? I call him on one of his own "programs" and he has never been seen since.

Greg Goodknight

Back to misunderstanding job creation, here's a duesy... the chair of the House Progressive caucus explaining how things like carbon footprint regulations actually creates jobs... because businesses then need more people to get anything done.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/10/09/dem_congressman_keith_ellison_regulations_create_jobs.html

Todd Juvinall

Job creation. I watched the hearing by the State department on the Keystone Pipeline held in DC a couple of days ago. The usual suspects, eco-nut non profits , you know the ilk, had their minions testify how building the pipeline would not create jobs. I was amazed. It is all private money and would create 500,000 direct and indirect jobs plus a large number of permanent jobs. The lefty nuts also testified how building it and supplying oil to the USA from Canada would not help in the importation of Middle East oil. Say what? The eco nuts have no clue about life, jobs or the economy. One of them is the President! I listened for a couple of hours and just shook my head in wonder. The USA is going in the crapper because the kind of people running things were those on the dais. How creating a half million jobs does not help the job market is why these people cannot be allowed to be in charge any longer. I heard these nuts here in Nevada County year after year on every project of every size and we see how good they helped our local economy. Now they are nationwide. God help us. Defeat them and their democrat lackeys next year and send them home to mommy and daddy. I did appreciate the people that testified for the pipeline. They withstood the boos and catcalls and gave very good overviews. Oh, when the eco nuts testified there were no boos or catcalls because our side has class.

Walt

Thanks guys for the support. It means a lot.


Walt

Greg Goodknight

"Walt", you may be reading more into my words than intended. I find it distasteful to read a sockpuppet with a measure of anonymity dumping on someone like Frisch who, while they're being an ass, at least have the courage to post under their full name.

Walt

And wouldn't you know,,, another elected LIBERAL gets up to a microphone and claims "regulations create jobs". Well "our two Steves",,,, I bet you agree with that too. Some come back and tell us just HOW. And the hiring of people to enforce those regs. don't count. It takes sticking it to at least 5 private sector jobs to pay for ONE Gov. job.

How many jobs have you created "our two Steves"? My guess is that Steve E. has run more off than Steve F. ever may claim to have fabricated.

Brad Croul

So how do you all feel about Obama's new Job Czar, GE exec, Jeffery Immelt? Can't call him a liberal, or a Commie.

It might help to use the pendulum analogy when thinking about things. Our labor costs historically were high compared to developing countries and developing countries historically were not big consumers and their infrastructure could not support intensive industrialization. As foreign industrial capabilities grew and labor costs stayed relatively cheap our jobs were offshored because corporate shareholders (that's you and me and the widows and orphans) expect increases in dividends and share prices.

As workers in those developing countries start making money and buying more products they demand increases for higher wages and costs of living.

Recently, China has been offshoring labor because their labor costs are rising. So China could experience a slowdown as some other countries enjoy a rising standard of living following the Chinese example.

Eventually, the pendulum will swing back to the US as we have deflated some of our costs, such as home ownership and wages, and we will get jobs back.

But new automated facilities built here means less of us will find work.

Walt

He fired workers hear, and hired new one over there. At about tenth of the cost. Word is GE has only gave out 500 jobs in the U.S. Nice trade off.

Mike Thornton

Unfortunately, Paul Emery told me that (shock of shocks) George was misrepresenting the Take back the American Dream conference and movement. I was there and here are a couple of pieces of information for you to look at; (1) The Contract for the American Dream
http://contract.rebuildthedream.com/?rc=rtd_feature and (2) A short video I produced from the "Jobs Not Cuts" Rally, http://www.youtube.com/user/SES2011MPT?feature=mhee
Frankly, it's about time that the Progressive Left got its act together in order to beat back the 1% and it's stranglehold on our economy. Perhaps "Rebuild the Dream" will be the vehicle.

Walt

Haven't figured out Progressives ARE the problem?

Mike Thornton

We're only a problem for the 1%. (And their "dupes")
I love the new sign "FOX News: Rich People paying other Rich People to tell Middle Class People to blame Poor People"

Walt

I guess you flunked math. Your .99% But nice try. Work on using that decimal point in the right place. No wonder you guys can't balance a budget.

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