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19 October 2011

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bill tozer

In all seriousness from me, this is a topic I have been pondering within my heart for at least a decade now. I see the rise of relative truth (there are no absolutes) as the biggest threat to civilized society. Just the statement "there are no absolutes" is in itself an absolute statement and thus the foundation upon which that belief is built is on faulty footing. Anyone who has tried to do business in Russia knows that their so called capitalism does not work because capitalism is rooted in moral principles of fair play and the Russians will pluck your feathers if you are naive enough to believe capitalism without morality works. Just not in business, but all aspects of society are under siege. It is a given that every country on earth has a right to protect its borders and set immigration policy....but wait, what is this "I am a citizen of North America and have the right to live and travel freely in any North American country" speak I hear. When some say all religions are the same I shake my head. The bottom line is when life touches you in a real way and you lose a child or the like, then all the neatly packaged philosophy goes out the window and one is left searching for absolute truths, not some garbage about moral relativism.

D. King

"If we can approximate or know the applicable utility, then we may usefully expand the relevant moral code that seeks to maximize it, and therefore more reliably predict how an individual/group/country may behave in a given situation."

The point is to demoralize the population making it imposable to predict an outcome or direction. Of course that in itself is boringly predictable. Mutant / arbitrary law enforcement will get you there too; also predictable.

D. King

Well said Bill.
"The bottom line is when life touches you in a real way and you lose a child or the like, then all the neatly packaged philosophy goes out the window and one is left searching for absolute truths, not some garbage about moral relativism."

The dead junkie was someone's kid.

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George Rebane

All good and valid points gentlemen. Unless and until we hitch ourselves to a communicable and shared credo, we are all loose cannons to each other in the social fabric we inhabit. And the better when that credo requires us to reliably reach out our hands to each other more than half way.

Russ Steele

George,

I once attended the Sierra Business Council Leadership Training Program. The class was made up of about 70 percent liberals and 30 percent conservatives, or business people. The program was one weekend over 9 months, with a professional discussion leader. It was an illuminating experience, as it was clear to me that we were talking past each other. The same words ment one thing to the liberals, and somthing very differnent to the more consevative business people.

If we can craft a dictionary of agreed upon terms at RR, so that we are all talking about the same subject in terms we all understand, will be a true contributation to understanding the real issues that we face in this nation. I am not holding my breath, it may be an impossible task.

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