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01 November 2011

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RL Crabb

"The local left is dancing in the streets." ...Well, not exactly. Most are upset with The Union for headlining Michael Moore as an "agitator." You just can't win in the news biz.

Douglas Keachie

Kinda funny, law is only 5% BUT, a mysterious category called "other" is 30%, the biggest number on the chart, and is conveniently brushed aside. Let's see, could that be industrial agrifarmers, politicians, and lobbyists? Now as for 22% MEDICAL, LET'S KEEP IN MIND THAT WE HAVE SEVERAL HUGE MEDICAL CENTERS IN SACTO, with the specialists that serve clear up into the Sierra and well north and south in the Sacto Valley, so that number is skewed too.

Saying that one in five of the wealthiest in the country is a doctor, seems rather out of touch with reality. Also, net wealth is not part of this picture, merely working income, and the two are not necessarily one and the same.

On Jobs, what he has going for him is in part the speed of the acceptance of the new technology. It took 20 years for cars to really take off, as culture just wasn't about to change so fast. How many of you would have predicted kindergartners with smartphones 15 years ago? How many of you would have even predicted smartphones?

Rapid cultural change is slowly becoming the norm, rather than something that is resisted tooth and nail and buggywhip.

George Rebane

DougK - yes, the speed of acceptance is now due to the acceleration of technology, something that didn't exist at the turn of the last century. Earth changing innovations took some decades to get established. But the speed of acceptance (covered here under Singularity Signposts) is still a different story from what was invented and introduced.

Russ Steele

The Government Giveth and the Government Taketh Away –-Famous green proverb

Britain Pulls Plug On Green Jobs Boondoggle

The subsidy for solar power is to be cut in half from 12 December of this year, the government has said. Solar panel makers and installers say the cut will cost thousands of jobs.

bill tozer

RE the 1%ers, a progressive global view must be taken to get the real picture. Half of the world's population make less than 2 bucks a day. To be in the global top 1%, the selfish greedy ones must make a mind blowing $34,000 a year to qualify. Wonder how long those evil corrupt slave master teachers protesting at Occupy Wall Street think they can continue to disguise themselves in the crowd of the unwashed. Liberal guilt rears its head again.

http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2011/10/30/attention-protesters-youre-probably-part-of-the-global-one-percent/

Douglas Keachie

And so the USA 1%'ers are the global .01%'ers, and that ups their guilt level for the mess even higher. George, I would agree with your assessment of Jobs, but without him, or his equivalent, the money to feed the engineers while they create would not be there.

Douglas Keachie

I have no doubt that while spreading the message that solar is no good, every decent piece of property is being bought up with the idea in mind that solar is the future, and that this factor already affects land and real estate pricing. In fact, if I were a conspiracy type, I'd say that that the pooh pooing of solar is merely an effort to keep the prices on good solar lands as low as possible, while discretely buying up as much of it as possible.

Douglas Keachie

Modesto General does not do these kinds of operations:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7c4Y9MW7-c&feature=youtu.be

George Rebane

DougK 809am - I was not aware of that little real estate boomlet. Those desert acres in the Mojave must finally be providing a profit for their long forlorn owners. Let us know more.

BobRL 717am - then what would have been a more appropriate label for Michale Moore that is also suitable for use in a family newspaper?

Douglas Keachie

A few alternates which were already suggested in Pelline's blog:

Jeff Pelline

This was the headline that finally showed up in The Union:
“Political agitator makes stop in Grass Valley”
Why is a person on the left identified as a “political agitator” but a person on the right Is merely identified by their profession or where they reside? LOL.

Gee, even Fox News refers to Michael Moore as a filmmaker:
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/03/20/filmmaker-michael-moore-rips-president-obama-libya/

on October 30, 2011 at 7:14 pm | Reply Gail Allinson

I saw that, Jeff. I thought it was pretty sleazy (to use a Union style word). Sure that is one of Mr. Moore’s roles as well as author and filmmaker; but “agitator” is a charged word. “Activist” would have conveyed the same idea without being so thoroughly loaded. How about “Michael Moore makes stop in Grass Valley” instead? It is not like we need to be told who Michael Moore is. The unabashedly biased Tea Party Gazette strikes again.

To pick a nit with the form of the article, I make lots of typos and am no English major, but since when were a series of one sentence paragraphs the mark of a professional journalist? I’ve seen that in the Union before. Is that how the reporter wrote it, or did someone just format it that way? A good editor should not allow an article to go live in that form, even on the web edition.

Douglas Keachie

"Those desert acres in the Mojave must finally be providing a profit for their long forlorn owners"

I would be referring to land around here. Which is the better buy, all thing otherwise equal? North facing slope, south facing slope, or the ideal, ridgecreat with building site on northern side, plenty of room for panels close by on unobstructed southern side? Or best yet, though seldom done, earth berm home, southern exposure?

Ben Emery

The 1% pushing back against democracy through their favorite political party.

GOP WAR ON VOTING
"As the nation gears up for the 2012 presidential election, Republican officials have launched an unprecedented, centrally coordinated campaign to suppress the elements of the Democratic vote that elected Barack Obama in 2008. Just as Dixiecrats once used poll taxes and literacy tests to bar black Southerners from voting, a new crop of GOP governors and state legislators has passed a series of seemingly disconnected measures that could prevent millions of students, minorities, immigrants, ex-convicts and the elderly from casting ballots. "What has happened this year is the most significant setback to voting rights in this country in a century," says Judith Browne-Dianis, who monitors barriers to voting as co-director of the Advancement Project, a civil rights organization based in Washington, D.C.

Republicans have long tried to drive Democratic voters away from the polls. "I don't want everybody to vote," the influential conservative activist Paul Weyrich told a gathering of evangelical leaders in 1980. "As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down." But since the 2010 election, thanks to a conservative advocacy group founded by Weyrich, the GOP's effort to disrupt voting rights has been more widespread and effective than ever. In a systematic campaign orchestrated by the American Legislative Exchange Council – and funded in part by David and Charles Koch, the billionaire brothers who bankrolled the Tea Party – 38 states introduced legislation this year designed to impede voters at every step of the electoral process."

02'- 07'investigation
"Out of the 300 million votes cast in that period, federal prosecutors convicted only 86 people for voter fraud"

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-gop-war-on-voting-20110830#ixzz1cTBMr1aE

Mikey McD

How's that socialism workin' out for Greece?

"1 Year Greek Yields Pass 200% For First Time Ever"...

D. King

Ben Emery | 01 November 2011 at 09:03 AM

"Republicans have long tried to drive Democratic voters away from the polls."

Yes Ben, just look at these republicans thugs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFOKnJ0oXYY&feature=related

Sorry Ben, that was the Black Panthers; my mistake!

…and what did Eric Holder of “Fast and Furious” fame do?
Nothing! And it happened right in front of you Ben.

Mikey McD

For all you government worshiping progressives... Greek government is offering you over 200% annual returns if you loan them some cash. Here is your chance to put your money where your mouth is!

M. Thatcher- "The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money."

Todd Juvinall

BenE must have never read any American history. The Republicans won the Civil War and everyone became a voter (except women) and in response the democrats running the south put poll taxes, the KKK and any other impediment in the way of the black vote. Then the Republicans overcame a filibuster by democrats to pass the Civil Rights Act and the Voters Rights Act. Now why would BenE make such fantastic lies up about the Republicans?

George Rebane

DougK 857am - Gail Atkinson may have been better informed on the 'progress' of literary journalism if she had read a little RR wherein I have for years reported on how America's literary "dumbth" (Steve Allen) has changed both written and verbal English. The Dept of Education's longitudinal study of American adult literacy revealed many years ago that fewer than one in ten of us can reliably identify the subject of a multi-sentence paragraph. Newspapers responded by going to one and two sentence paragraphs, and that also happened years ago. The Union is only following what today is common practice.

BenE 903am - That's quite a charge - "Republican officials have launched an unprecedented, centrally coordinated campaign to suppress the elements of the Democratic vote that elected Barack Obama in 2008." What pray is the nature of these revolting "voting rights" violations that prevent franchised citizens from casting their ballots in their home precincts? (The insertion of "immigrants" into the list was a heads-up. I was an immigrant, but that status changed when I became a naturalized citizen. Immigrants can't legally cast ballots, and I think that may be the burr under the Dem's blanket, since it hits them in their long-sought constituency.)

D. King

“Cynics who said tougher carbon controls in rich nations might increase global emissions by outsourcing energy-intensive industries to poorer nations with laxer standards are, for now at least, being proved right. While many Western economies stall, many developing economies are growing fast. And the continuing heavy dependence of many of them on coal is pushing up the global economy's reliance on the dirtiest fuel.”

Doh!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/oct/31/why-world-burning-coal

Must get instructions from the CARB ( and eat brains!).

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01464/Zombie_1464917c.jpg

Account Deleted

Ben's post re the article in Rolling Stone was hilarious. There was at no time any actual proof that anyone legally entitled to vote was going to be prevented from being able to vote. The constant comparison to the poll tax was disgustingly false. No one will be required to come up with any money at all if they are low income. And the cost to obtain an ID for all others is of no financial consequence. The ongoing cant about how few have been prosecuted for voter fraud is just a load of dishonest BS. The entire reason for the new ID requirements is because there is currently no way to prove most voter fraud. The author of the screed is apparently ignorant of the electoral system, as are apparently, most of the gullible readers of this trash.
This whole article was as factual as M Moore's recent remarks here in our county that the banks had their "boots on our necks". I guess since they no longer offer free toasters when you open an account, it's really gotten Moore's knickers in a twist.

bill tozer

Concerning police brutality against the OWS (NYC), I take a different point of view based on current events. The New York Police are directing local homeless to the location of the People's Park in NYC. The police are kindly telling the homeless where they can receive free food, shelter, and a secure environment. This has caused a bit of consternation among the 99%ers who are trying to figure out ways to keep the freeloaders out and from eating up their food. Alas, quite a dilemma for the OWT throng. I see the police behaving in true humanitarian fashion by caring, serving, protecting and watching out for the most vulnerable and needy in our society. Kudos to NYC Police and I hope they keep directing our homeless street people to the safety of tent city. Its time the 99%ers put their money where their mouths are.

bill tozer

To Ben E and D. King (Ben E King) I have just 3 words to say about Eric Holder: Marc Rich Pardon.

Douglas Keachie

LBJ, the greatest Republican of them all time, was the President who signed for Civil Rights, and all of the wAR ON pOVERTY, AND FAVORITE PROJECT OF rEPUBBYS EVERYWHERE. aIN'T IT THE TRUTH, tODD? i HATE CAPS LOCKS, RUNNING THREE KEYBOARDS JUST NOW.

Todd Juvinall

Keachie, read my post and tell me what was wrong or not factual. Oh, you can't. I too have a problem with not paying attention and end up with caps.

Ben Emery

Read it again, these are policies put in place not a theory. Notice the group I mentioned recently ALEC is also mentioned in this article.

The 1% pushing back against democracy through their favorite political party.

GOP WAR ON VOTING
"As the nation gears up for the 2012 presidential election, Republican officials have launched an unprecedented, centrally coordinated campaign to suppress the elements of the Democratic vote that elected Barack Obama in 2008. Just as Dixiecrats once used poll taxes and literacy tests to bar black Southerners from voting, a new crop of GOP governors and state legislators has passed a series of seemingly disconnected measures that could prevent millions of students, minorities, immigrants, ex-convicts and the elderly from casting ballots. "What has happened this year is the most significant setback to voting rights in this country in a century," says Judith Browne-Dianis, who monitors barriers to voting as co-director of the Advancement Project, a civil rights organization based in Washington, D.C.

Republicans have long tried to drive Democratic voters away from the polls. "I don't want everybody to vote," the influential conservative activist Paul Weyrich told a gathering of evangelical leaders in 1980. "As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down." But since the 2010 election, thanks to a conservative advocacy group founded by Weyrich, the GOP's effort to disrupt voting rights has been more widespread and effective than ever. In a systematic campaign orchestrated by the American Legislative Exchange Council – and funded in part by David and Charles Koch, the billionaire brothers who bankrolled the Tea Party – 38 states introduced legislation this year designed to impede voters at every step of the electoral process."

02'- 07'investigation
"Out of the 300 million votes cast in that period, federal prosecutors convicted only 86 people for voter fraud"

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-gop-war-on-voting-20110830#ixzz1cTBMr1aE

George Rebane

BenE - "... not a theory." ??? Were you talking about a theory?

Re the Rolling Stone article - which was clearly written for people who could not follow a logical argument - I didn't see anything in there that was fraudulent or unethical. States have the right and obligation to enforce requirements that allow only franchised voters to cast ballots. And the low conviction rates for voter fraud are not a testimony that it does not occur in much greater numbers, but only recognition that prosecuting voter fraud is politically and financially expensive - district attorneys with higher ambitions almost always drop the charges, especially when the evidence shows that the fraudulent votes would most likely not have changed the outcome.

But the bottom line BenE is that neither of us would want to have the ballot boxes stuffed with non-qualifying ballots, especially if such ballots were overwhelmingly cast in favor of one party or the other, do we?

And since that is the case, what more acceptable means would you suggest for vetting a franchised voter?

Dixon Cruickshank

I still haven't figured out exactly what the issue can be with proving who you really are to vote. How fast do you think we would have 5 new Boards if the Dems thought all the illegals were voting but for Republicans.

The only reason not to want someone to show they have the right to vote legally is they think their getting the frauds or setting it up to begin with.

1 Man - 1 Vote - seems pretty simple and cut and dried - just say'in


Since Mr Crabb is here - I think it was you that thought it was great that Fla turning down the train money so you could have it instead - hows that other 150 Billion workin out for ya

still fudging at 98B

Ben Emery

02'- 07'investigation (Bush administration)
"Out of the 300 million votes cast in that period, federal prosecutors convicted only 86 people for voter fraud"

This is a non issue that has led to millions being disenfranchised from participating in the actions of their government. I seriously encourage you to look towards Ohio in 2004 at ELECTION not voter fraud. It fits into the MO we are talking about.

If I remember correctly in the last Clerk/ Recorder election one of the candidates talked about something similar. As you know I am not a big fan of the democratic party but am a die hard fan participatory government.

Once again George it goes perfectly with the argument that the founders had and we have never stop having in this country. Who should vote, hold public office, and control the policies that affect us all. I say all the people and you say the "smart" people.

Mikey McD

yawn

RL Crabb

Hey Dixon, I would love to see the high speed train in California, but I am enough of a realist to know that it most likely ain't gonna happen for a lot of reasons. Still, if the black helicopters are going to drop wads of money on anyone, it might as well be in my neighborhood. I suspect the whole thing will dry up like the San Joaquin Valley in the next year.

Glad to see you haven't ended up in the belly of one of those Godzilla-sized pythons yet. I saw where they found a deer inside one recently. I imagine all the dogs and cats in your state are pretty nervous.

Greg Goodknight

The essential difference between Michael Moore and Leni Riefenstahl is that Leni looked absolutely smashing in a tight sweater. Moore makes documentary films that relentlessly promote one point of view; in other words, propaganda. If you like the point of view, you probably like what he does to the truth in order to make his point.

Ben Emery

GG,
I know it was a joke but have you ever mentioned how well a man fills the crotch of his pants as a lead in joke to an issue?

It all begins in how we think of each other and then from there it ripples out.

Green Party 10 Key Values

Feminism

* How can we replace the cultural ethics of dominance and control with more cooperative ways of interacting?
* How can we encourage people to care about persons outside their own group?
* How can we promote the building of respectful, positive and responsible relationships across the lines of gender and other divisions?
* How can we encourage a rich, diverse political culture that respects feelings as well as rationalist approaches?
* How can we proceed with as much respect for the means as the end (the process as much as the product of our efforts)?
* How can we learn to respect the contemplative, inner part of life as much as the outer activities?

George Rebane

BenE 243pm - "Who should vote, hold public office, and control the policies that affect us all. I say all the people and you say the "smart" people." I'm sorry that you continue to misunderstand what I have said about the voting franchise. So once more with feeling -

ONLY FRANCHISED AMERICAN CITIZENS SHOULD VOTE. And public policy should be such that this law is enforced.

But holding public office and "control (of) the policies" (don't really know what this means, but I'll run with it) should definitely be limited to the "smart people". We've had enough experience and tears with the double dummies in office. The election process should promote the smarter ones getting elected, but needs a little help from the voters.

George Rebane

BenE sent me this in an email, and asked that I help spread the word. So, in the spirit being a good neighbor, here it is, intro zinger and all.

Some community news, Nevada County Green Party stepping up to participate in the community unlike the big two.

Press Release

October 31, 2011 - Community leaders from the Nevada County Green Party are hosting a screening of the new, award-winning environmental documentary Bag It at The Don Baggett Theater on Friday November 18th.

Bag It follows "everyman" Jeb Berrier as he tries to make sense of our dependence on plastic bags. Although his quest starts out small, Jeb soon learns that the problem extends past landfills to oceans, rivers and ultimately human health.

The average American uses about 500 plastic bags each year, for about twelve minutes each. This single-use mentality has led to the formation of a floating island of plastic debris in the Pacific Ocean more than twice the size of Texas.

The film explores these issues and identifies how our daily reliance on plastic threatens not only waterways and marine life, but human health, too. Two of the most common plastic additives are endocrine disruptors, which have been shown to link to cancer, diabetes, autism, attention deficit disorder, obesity and infertility.

The screening at The Don Baggett Theater is part of Bag It's campaign to urge 25 towns across the country to become "Bag It Towns" by the end of 2011. Doing so would require Nevada City to ban plastic bag use voluntarily or via ordinance and/or to pass an ordinance that places a small charge on single-use disposable bags. Cities including Washington, DC and San Francisco, as well as Ireland, Italy and China have already implemented similar policies to curb their plastic use.

The Nevada County Green Party recognizes the importance of reducing single-use plastic use for the safety of our community and environment. The Nevada County Green Party has been reactivated as a Community Action Group .

Screening Date: Nov 18th 2011
Screening Time: 7:00 pm
Screening Location: The Don Baggett Theater
Admission: Donation, profits will go to Nevada Union High School

This event is open to the public.

Greg Goodknight

Ben Emery, the day one cannot mention Reifenstahl looking great in a tight sweater (as opposed to the overstuffed Pellinian splendor of Michael Moore) is the day we should start worrying about the survival of the species.

Brad Croul

Re: the top 1%

The SacBee chart shows median income. Very few (most of the Sac Kings team, the Maloofs, etc.) earn over a Million Dollars a year. A tax increase would affect very few.

Interesting Paul Krugman article, http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/31/opinion/bombs-bridges-and-jobs.html discussing the dilemma faced by TEA party patriot hawks when it comes to cutting taxes on military expenditures.

D. King

Here's the Bag it trailer.

http://www.bagitmovie.com/trailer.html

Ben Emery

GG,
I didn't say anything about whether you should or should not say it. I was just pointing out that it was said. I am a heterosexual male so I got the intent of the joke. The first step at becoming aware is by someone pointing it out. Here is the thing, I don't know anything about Leni Reifenstahl other than she is first looked at as an object before a professional.

bill tozer

Leni Reifenstahl was first a dancer and excelled at it. Later she moved onto photography and film. I especially liked her photos capturing her beloved Alps.

Larry Wirth

George, not to worry about Dr. Muller's non-discovery. No less than his co-author, Dr. Judith Curry, has taken him to public task for leaking reports to the msm before they were even submitted for peer review. He didn't even bother running it past her.

She, in turn, castigated him not only for those omissions, but for publishing results that the BEST review cannot possibly support. She even accused him of a "hide the decline" malfeasance by concealing the well-known fact that global temperature has "flat-lined" for a period now approaching 15 years while CO2 has continued to rise as expected. And sea level is currently falling at about 5mm per year. All well known factoids to the informed.

I know that Watts Up With That is a familiar website for you, though maybe not many of the lefties here. Go there to keep track of this unfolding contretemps.

Ben Emery

George,
My continuance of stating your position on voting franchise isn't a misunderstanding. It is shaped by the posted topics and the underlying them of your language.

I am not part of academia but have many friends of all political stripes including my brother that have degree's in political science. I have been a philosopher my entire life and am self taught. So I don't know of many traditional higher education. This is why my opinions might be hard to pin down as the influence of x person. As you well know philosophy especially political philosophy was a major factor of the evolution of the USA. From those who first colonized the continent to Rebane's Ruminations, the philosophical debate on forms of government continues. Despite not having a formal education in the area I am well read and have heard your arguments for the last 25 years with my ongoing conversations with those who were farmers, college professors, CEO's, and so on.

So lets start with a simple question, it is the core of having a more equal society.

Do you believe in public education for all US citizens?

I know the failures of public education but that is not the question.

Ben Emery

Underlying theme

Douglas Keachie

Obsessing on the genetic physical predispositions of people is not becoming, even for a second grader.

Douglas Keachie

Some do care about that heap of plastic out there, as it is doing substantial and cruel things to animals.

Remember those haunting images of animals stuck in plastic soda rings? This is worse. Since 2009, photographer Chris Jordan has been documenting birds on Midway Atoll way out in the Pacific Ocean — near what's known as the "Pacific Garbage Patch" or, essentially, a swirling heap of plastic the size of Texas.

What Jordan found on those islands were carcasses of baby birds that have died an unnerving death: According to the BBC, "about one-third of all albatross chicks die on Midway, many as the result of being mistakenly fed plastic by their parents."

Douglas Keachie

Todd, I posted a response earlier, and yet I now notice it is not there. I never called into question anything you said. Cain says he never commuted sexual harassment during his career. Now the only question is whether or not he considers anything outside of Godfather Pizza to be his career. If not, he's got the makings of a fine politician, as good as Clinton and the meaning of "is."

Douglas Keachie

My spell checker chose the commuted in the last post, not me. But it is rather funny, ha, ha, droidboid is the word...

Greg Goodknight

One does not have to be focused on any one attribute to notice Riefenstahl was attractive, and Moore is not. Otherwise, they are/were both in the business of telling lies with film.

Ben seemed oddly obsessed with outsized bulges in men's pants. Takes all kinds.

Greg Goodknight

Sorry Ben, but all the bags I get with groceries get reused and recycled. No real impact. I don't want the local Green Party passing a law to require businesses to not bag groceries.

What's the matter... not enough people voluntarily doing what you want them to do?

"Here is the thing, I don't know anything about Leni Reifenstahl other than she is first looked at as an object before a professional." -- Ben Emery

Then you really don't know anything about her. Ben, I assure you, I first looked at Leni Riefenstahl as a Nazi propagandist. A fine one, at that, if you overlook the politics. So is Moore, if you overlook his politics.

George Rebane

BenE 652pm - "... the underlying theme of your language." That sure sounds like more of 'I know what you're really thinking/saying' which is a definite Leftwing affliction (but not exclusively) that has been much discussed in these pages. For example -
http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2010/09/the-liberal-mind-messing-with-the-messenger.html
For a profitable discussion with me, it is always good to start with the assumption that I mean directly what I say/write. You may catch me in a mistake, for which I'll thank you, but you will not go off talking to yourself about what I 'really said'.

Re believe in 'public education for all US citizens?' - yes, I most certainly do. But I believe it should be available in competitive formats (plural) that are a far cry from what is being delivered through the proto-evil teachers' unions of today. These delivery formats should be determined as locally as possible with the federal government having no involvement at all in the process.

George Rebane

LarryW 635pm - thanks for inserting that explanation which does indeed need to be pointed out in the current context - my omission.

Steve Frisch

Seriously GREG, you're totally out of line.

Todd Juvinall

Greg, your Reni was soooo funny man!

bill tozer

Leni Reifenstahl was a pioneer filmmaker that will always be remembered not for her cinematography innovations nor her passion for Africa and her stills of African men or her beauty. No, she will always be remembered as Hilter's Propagandist. Leni said it best in her own words "It (Triumph des Willens) casts such a shadow over my life that death will be a blessed release" It took awhile for Leni to find her release. She lived to the age of 101 and died Sept 9, 2003. Be that as it may, if I see an huge person approaching me, I say within myself "Here comes a very obese person". Same with a skinny meth head, an old white guy that resembles Col Sanders or a person of unusual height or shape. To deny the initial impression would be a lie and foolish. We were born with the fight and flee instinct as well as the powers of observation. Yes, it is true thinking a fine young lady has an incredible bod but is wise for the obvious to remain unspoken. However, it is usually the first impression of heterosexual males. Same with somebody with a big old honking wart on their nose. You notice it first. With that said, I would rather see Leni in a tight sweater than the man in the mirror however shocking that may be to the reader. Opps, I have no idea where that came from!

Dixon Cruickshank

I thought GG was on point - and objects are good even if their politics stink - I just love a tight sweater when coming down the street and it looks like 2 lions wrestling under a blanket

RL- ya they throw 3.5B at you then you have to pick up the other 150B - oh that doesn't pay anybody to drive either. BTW I have added 50B because they could never bring it in without over runs of at LEAST another 50.

Mr Emery - having grown up in the south maybe a bit of history. The Democrats ruled the south and all the laws and barriers of which you speak were theirs. Republicans didn't make a dent here until people from the midwest started moving down, us included.

And yes we have had to show a voter card or DL for as long as I can remember - I cannot see any reason to not require ID. You can't live without ID, DL, cash a check, credit cards, everything needs ID - why not to vote??? I'm running the BS flag up on this one.

Greg Goodknight

Seriously, FRISCH, your words are unimportant.

A lovely young woman in a tight sweater is a wonderful sight to behold whether slight of build or voluptuous. I wasn't the one focusing on size, that was Ben.

Ben Emery

George,
I think the left has been forced to psychoanalyze between the lines because over the last 50 years the conservatives have learned to keep their real intentions hidden. I mainly go off of action not rhetoric. Your actions of posts content are what I go off of. I say what I mean, which makes me very complex because I don't fit into most stereotypical categories. Personally I am very conservative in the traditional sense but politically I am a progressive populist.

I think the 2010 election, citizens united decision, and the dire times the US finds itself in gave conservatives the hubris to make a very bold move by moving their agenda into public view. I wrote about it in April. Let me make this perfectly clear my criticism of the republican party in no way shape or form means I approve the democratic party. The democratic party is a gutless party that doesn't stand for anything due to selling out labor for corporate dollars in the 1990's. I expect the republican party to do what they are doing, I put the blame on the democratic party for not exposing it and fighting for the interests of the vast majority of the American people.

http://www.benemery.org/1/post/2011/04/playing-their-hand.html
Excerpt
"Republican governors and state legislators are using the financial crisis to attack and pit the private sector against public sector workers in hope of keeping the electorate divided. We are seeing collective bargaining rights assaulted, state houses locking out citizens while letting in lobbyists, large corporate tax cuts, and taxes for working and poor Americans raised while vital social programs are cut. The most egregious bill, in Michigan, is the ability to dissolve and then privatize entire city governments. "

Ben Emery

Greg,
Your are a very immature person, at least online.

"Ben seemed oddly obsessed with outsized bulges in men's pants. Takes all kinds."

Greg Goodknight

"I think the left has been forced to psychoanalyze between the lines because over the last 50 years the conservatives have learned to keep their real intentions hidden."

Talk about immaturity. Ben, this is as bigoted as anything you've ever written.

Greg Goodknight

Ben, I made a clear comment that the essential difference between Riefenstahl and Michael Moore was that Leni looked better in a tight sweater. You then went into a lecturous tirade starting with a reference to "how well a man fills the crotch of his pants".

I was making a simple reference to relative aesthetics. You translated that to some size fetish. That says more about you than I.

bill tozer

Concerning Greece, it is hopeless. They can only survive a month or two at a time on borrowed money. Its like the wayward bro-in-law that keeps hitting you up more loans while having no income and his credit cards are maxed out, yet he has to pay rent. Greece is in a rather unfortunate situation because there is not a robust manufacturing base, never had one. The shipping tycoons that call Greece home are no dummies and have moved their money abroad. Tax cheating in Greece is their national sport and Greece's antiquated finance ministry does not have any effective or modernized nor efficient way of collecting taxes. The political will is not there to make necessary austere cuts for the nation's survival. An over bloated civil service and strongly unionized workforce will overwhelmingly vote on the coming referendum to commit suicide. A barber in Greece can retire at 50 with an extra 10% for "hazard pay" and a unmarried mother is eligible to receive a monthly stipend at 45 years old til death. Think they are going to vote for cuts? Cut our losses now and let them leave the EU. Even 100% debt forgiveness will not keep Greece from begging for more money in 3 weeks. Cut out the infection now before gangrene kills the whole patient.

Greg Goodknight

I'm not sure unionized California public employees will behave any better than the ones in Athens once the music stops.

Greg Goodknight

"I say what I mean, which makes me very complex because I don't fit into most stereotypical categories." --Ben Emery

Not complex, just confused.

Ben Emery

Greg,
How is stating the conservatives have spent tens of millions if not more on think tanks for messaging, turning to wedge issues, and suppressing the vote instead of their real intentions immature or bigoted? The approval ratings of the proposed policies are extremely low. Tax breaks for the wealthy and big corporations, cutting social security and medicare, privatizing the commons, and ending collective bargaining come on! Congress is sitting on a 9% approval rating.

Two things

1) Comments such as your tight sweater comment along with Georges raghead race/ religion fear mongering explains the lack of diversity and overall numbers on this blog. The endless personal attacks on those who disagree with you doesn't help either. Comment #'s are up because the Steves, Doug K, Paul E, and my self comment here with an occasional Brad C comment. Otherwise it would be 4 or 5 regulars. Just look at Todd J and Barry P blogs. Jeff Pellines blog (actually has female regulars) has slowed down recently because he has been focusing on other things like the bullying from within his own community. Going after his wife is really tasteless and lacks character at any level.
http://yubanet.com/regional/Nevada-County-BOS-Process-1-Politics-0.php

2) Come watch the film and learn something
Ultimately we are trying to get Nevada City to do a voluntary ban on single use plastic bags. It actually works in their long term financial interests to do so.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnUjTHB1lvM
You're a science guy. The ocean is the number one indicator we need to be looking at for the health of our planet and every major life system is in decline.

RL Crabb

Amazing how Emery and Frisch can find a racist or sexist angle in any offhand remark made by someone from the right while overlooking the thousands of sexual and racial references by Jon Stewart or the South Park guys. The political correctness boy scout attitude are one of the reasons I have so little respect for left wing ideologues. Lighten up, guys.

Douglas Keachie

Well Greg, I guess you've stashed away enough gold and foodstuffs in your bunker in Montana, and you'll have fun looking at your dvd's of women in tight sweaters, while the food riots continue in in the large metro areas, and head for the suburbs, etc.... of course your house in GV/NC will be overrun along with all the rest of the state employees' homes, but what the hey, take life as it comes and be prepared....to make one last flight out of GV airport, and carry extra fuel, can't depend on gas all the way there...have to leave the pets behind....

Douglas Keachie

"Tax cheating in Greece is their national sport" and it is not here? How many ski trips and boats to the lake do all the construction/other business trucks make and never declare, just for one tiny example?

Douglas Keachie

As far as Republicans hiding their colors, I learned of an annual picnic in Condon Park. On a hunch I went and observed the parking lot closely. Despite the presence of several elected officials, not one car had anything resembling an affiliation with the Republican Party or any of their candidates. There were several well decked out, bumper stickerwise, TTP'ers, and one hunter and one save the animals person, a vet and an NRA, but that was it, on the mostly one to two year old highly cleaned and polished larger vehicles (one brand new Prius, one older Subaru, however)

Too ashamed to admit they are Republicans, or too cowardly?

Douglas Keachie

If you still want to consider the personal use of commercial vehicles minor, try introducing a bill that requires a GPS that reports to the IRS on every commercial vehicle. Fastest political suicide ever!

D. King

"As far as Republicans hiding their colors, I learned of an annual picnic in Condon Park. On a hunch I went and observed the parking lot closely."...

Try this next time Douglas, you may have better luck.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA7Hy_LxfPE

Larry Wirth

On plastic bags, I, like many others find them very useful for a number of second uses. Garbage, dog poop, the local newspaper (Tucson "Red" Star), etc.

Unfortunately, I also find them strewn across the beautiful Sonoran desert along the highway I have to use to get home from town, which crosses two Native American Nations. Somebody (I wonder who?) tosses them out of their vehicles on the way home.

Would be nice if our educational system would begin by teaching our young not to dispose of their garbage in the "commons." OWS might want to take note here.

Ben E, nice to hear you have an open mind. Take the next step and work on your eyes and ears. It won't take very long...

Douglas Keachie

D King, I saw what I saw and my 7D saw it too. Did you see something else? You and Nancy Drew?

Wirth, for what it's worth, I thought that parents were supposed to teach no littering by example. Rather suspect your litterer are of age, and beyond the reach of your public school teachers. Next thing you know, you'll be blaming epidemics on teachers not teaching basic hygiene. The truth of the matter is that we do, you just send us kids who watch mom and dad for 5 years first. Take responsibility for your offspring and their actions.

Greg Goodknight

RL Crabb, you got them pegged.

Ben, everyone who shops at the one grocery store left in Nevada City, SPD, already has the right to take a cloth bag with them if they so choose. A "voluntary ban" is a curious use of language for someone who claims to be plain speaking. You want them to stop providing bags for their customers who want bags.

Coercive utopianspeak at work.

Right-conservatives are as honest in their speech as left-liberals. It's pure bigotry to believe otherwise.

In doublechecking my recollections on Riefenstahl, I ran across a citation to the effect that she almost got the landmark part that went to Marlene Dietrich in "Der Blaue Engel" in 1930.


Larry Wirth

DougK, where the hell is Condom Park? Seriously, though, I'm not surprised that Republican bumper stickers would be absent (even assuming that the atendees were R's); who wants to go back to his car to find his tires slashed and the paint "keyed"?

I submit that this sort of misconduct characterizes the folks who call themselves "democrats." Prove to me otherwise... easier yet, try to deny the truth of this observation.

D. King

Just get SPD to provide a plastic bag recycle bin. Publix stores in Florida do and they really work. No need for dictator edicts.

Greg Goodknight

"How is stating the conservatives have spent tens of millions if not more on think tanks for messaging, turning to wedge issues, and suppressing the vote instead of their real intentions immature or bigoted?"

Suppressing the votes of Undocumented Democrats is a rational and Constitutional thing for Republicans to do if they so choose. And wedge issues and messaging are just as prevalent on the left as the right. It's a reason Social Security is considered the third rail of politics in the USA.

Currency speculator and famed 1%-er George Soros has outspent the Koch bros on think tanks... at least the Koch family empire made their fortunes by actually making stuff.

Steve Frisch

Crabby, you are an ass to be going along with the use of terms raghead and jigabboo and other dog whistle racist bull excremenxzt tolerated here. By the way, I loved Russ's unsourced welfare queen video that came from a website called "ccoontube" that was posted the other day. No mention from the great followers here that the benefits it described were completely inaccurate. If you are too dense to see it you belong with the Aryan circle jerk.

Ben is entirely right about traffic on this site, you guys would have and audience of 5 old men dreaming of the good old days if it were not for our posts.

RL Crabb

Stevie, I merely point out the your critiques of the right over racism and sexism show that you have different standards for those you disagree with on other issues. I'm a big fan of Comedy Central, where I see comedians and cartoons that flaunt sex and race every minute of their programming day.

For instance, Colbert did a piece on the contributors to his superpac where he pointed out that he even had Muslim fans. Someone named Suq Madyc sent in a donation, and Colbert noted that his parents must be very proud. Dad's name was Liqa Madyc, and Mom was Muncha Macoochy. (Racist AND sexist?) You know as well as I do that if this showed up on a 'right wing' site, you'd go into an epilectic fit.

So maybe you should boycott Comedy Central and those who spread their filth on it. Oh yeah, you were too busy scarfing up tickets to see "The Book of Mormon", written and produced by South Park creators Parker and Stone. So spare me your outrage, dude.

bill tozer

Mr. Crabb, are you saying there might be a wee bit of double standard going on here? Say it isn't so! Unbelievable. Ok, lets put it to the test. Suppose there is a sexual assault and drunken fights and people shooting up at any Tea Party function. Wouldn't that be front page news and the lead in story and teaser on every major broadcast? Relentless reporting to find out who the victim of the sexual assault is, her story, and the lawlessness of the mob. Not safe to bring the family and these functions should be banned. Now, suppose there was a sexual assault at OWS. The victim is told not to report it to the police for "the common good". The incident remains undated and nary a mention on the news. The 99%ers block police involvement and say they are fully capable of handling the numerous physical assaults within their ranks. The news media are threatened with physical harm as they attempt to report on life at OWS, with one ABC reported told "we killed white bitches like you" and other reporters pushed, shoveled. Ok, I guess there is no double standard at all. I was wrong. Free speech...er...no freedom of the press.

Ben Emery

As I mentioned somewhere on this thread we expect this stuff from the republican party but it is unacceptable when the so called party of the people do the bidding for the 1%. Find out why at minute 3:10.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmtvZJ2cmgc&feature=player_embedded#!

Ben Emery

Greg,
For a smart guy you let your ideology get in your way of critical thinking. If we can reduce our impact by doing something as small as not using plastic bags but reusable instead, why wouldn't we do it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMNWvGJB-_8&feature=related

Minute 4:57 on should be the goal to avoid generational tyranny.

Todd Juvinall

I went over to the SBC blog site and there was actually cobwebs on my screen since there is absolutely no traffic there at all. The difference between the hypocrite Freisch and us is, we don't care, These blogs are not done as a popularity contest they are a way for the blog master to put his POV out there and if anyone wants to respond, or not, then mission accomplished. Our ego's are much more in control than the leftists Freisch and BenE's.

Regarding humor. It really must suck to be these lefty posters because they are humorless. Crabb is funny., Tozer and King are funny, Freisch and BenE are not. My goodness, I make a joke about going through an X-ray machine at the airport and Freisch and his ilk (jealous I suppose) act like the world is coming to an end!

As far as old men comments by Friesch. Yep, we are, in real age, older. Graying and a bit larger around the middle. What we are not though is uptight, stodgy and humorless like you and BenE. It must suck to be you two and please, don't think your comments have any weight here or on any of the other conservative blogs.

BenE's comment about himself here in an earlier post says it all, "I say what I mean, which makes me very complex because I don't fit into most stereotypical categories." Say what? No BenE, you are not complex, you are a simple person to figure out. You and Freisch are just something special in your own minds. We all get a laugh when we read your posts becasue you both are simply socialists to the left of Mao. LOL!

Todd Juvinall

Those reusable plastic bags appear to have a down side. Especially those that organic material are in. Seems there are germs that get carried around. Uh oh. The liberals will be making a disinfectant requirement for them next. Or their lawyers will be suing to force the markets to do the disinfectant. No, the nanny state needs to butt out and let me have a plastic bag, a paper bag or bigger pockets in my pants. Leave us alone for goodness sakes.

Also, for a person who whines about name calling BenE sure does his share in every post here. BenE, if you can stop calling Greg names (and others) and denigrating his intelligence, then you should stop posting here. You are an embarrassment man.

Ben Emery

RL,
Just as you do satire through political cartoons. Stewart and Southpark do political satire through visual commentary and cartoons. Actually Trey Parker and Matt Stone follow the libertarian political philosophy.

As for trying to fit in on RR that is the last thing I am trying to do. Sorry Todd, GG, occasionally RL and Scott I will continue to come here and challenge your ideas and remarks unless George wants to block me from doing so. Having to defend our positions is the best way to realize their flaws.

George Rebane

Agreed with LarryW's 1236am - I also find that most conservatives think of themselves as being sufficiently mainstream so that they don't have to proselytize their ideology on the their bumpers, the are not looking to fundamentally transform the nation. (Pew Research continues to find that 20% declare themselves liberals, 40% independent, and 40% conservative.) But I am surprised at comments from the Left that describe Republicans as having a national policy to hide their ideology, one that is practiced uniformly down to the grass roots level. I must have missed those indoctrination sessions.

Ben Emery

Todd,
Please go through this thread and collect the names I called people.

Greg Goodknight

You old men can leave me out of it; I suspect I'm younger than Frisch, though I don't look any better than he in a tight sweater. To wit: recently, a slightly daft friend of Russ (we were introduced once) insulted me a couple of times in local watering holes. I called him on it the last time, and he checked... 'wasn't I Steve Frisch?'

I must lose some weight before someone mistakes me for Jeff Pelline.

Ben Emery

George,
Check out this article by former Reagan staffer. Starve the Beast wasn't a public platform. Even David Stockman claims the policies over the last 25 years associated with starve the beast didn't work.

http://www.forbes.com/2010/05/06/tax-cuts-republicans-starve-the-beast-columnists-bruce-bartlett.html

Douglas Keachie

Oh come on! How long has the TPP been playing the "we are non partisan" card with "in your face" duplicity?

Douglas Keachie

20% liberal, 40% independent, must have elected Obama I suppose.....?

10 million overage?

Todd Juvinall

BenE you are constantly denigrating. You are full of yourself but your ideas are quite infantile and rudimentary. Just like your bud Freisch's. But hey, try to keep up, at least we on the right appreciate your simple attempts at discourse. Gives us a laugh.

Douglas Keachie

"DougK, where the hell is Condom Park? Seriously, though, I'm not surprised that Republican bumper stickers would be absent (even assuming that the atendees were R's); who wants to go back to his car to find his tires slashed and the paint "keyed"?

I submit that this sort of misconduct characterizes the folks who call themselves "democrats." Prove to me otherwise... easier yet, try to deny the truth of this observation."

Let's use my Wayback machine and go back to 1965, a parking lot at a drive-in in Auburn, a young student with a bug-eye Sprite, and a bumpersticker that says: "FSM" Young student comes out of drive-in to discover a largish, tallish, traditional lumberjack (based on truck with chainsaws nearby) politely peeling said bumper stick off the bumper. When confronted, he said, "wanna stop me?" Yup you guys are older, but you haven't changed your stripes and neither have I.

Proof enough, Mr. Pot?

Keachie the Kettle

Greg Goodknight

Ben, perhaps you can expound on just what "critical thinking" means to you.

Keach, your math needs challenging (again); the Obama/McCain popular vote was 53/46, not 60/40, (a seven point spread, not 20) and it was the rudderless middle that steered it to the change they wanted to believe in. They don't believe it now.

FYI Rasmussen called it a 52/46 race the day before.

Account Deleted

re: Ben's post at 8:13. You are welcome to post here as I'm fascinated by the way the liberal mind works. I'd love to have you cite one of my 'ideas' that you've challenged. You claim 'over the last 50 years the conservatives have learned to keep their real intentions hidden.' That's interesting. Are you saying the conservatives that post here are always lying? Or what? I take everything here at face value and trust that folks are being upfront about their thoughts and intentions.

Greg Goodknight

Scott, that is what Ben posted. Conservatives know they have to lie, or the proletariat 99% would know what their evil plans were while there was still time for the forces of goodness and light to prevail.

Meanwhile, Ben works tirelessly for the greater good as seen by the eyes of Ben. If he can't get folks to 'voluntarily ban' the things he doesn't like, he'll work to take the choice to not live like Ben away from the rest of us.

Personally, I'm pro choice on everything. Ben isn't.

Ben, there is no path that starts with me taking home groceries in a plastic bag that ends with a porpoise choking on it.

D. King

George,

Is it true the Koch brothers have cornered the peanut market? I mean really, when in enough enough?

George Rebane

General Observation - Regardless of the argument details, the most remarkable thing that surfaces again and again on these pages and the national media is the claim of symmetry between violence from the Right and Left. Actually, it's not even symmetry, but the continuous evidence-free claims that the Right is actually more violent in the public display of its beliefs.

An aspect of this that gives comfort to the apologists from the Left is their ability to sweep all violence that is not overtly from the Left (e.g. currently from the OWS) onto the Right side, even though it overwhelmingly happens to be ideologically free criminality.

The invitation stands for the Left to present aggregate stats of violence that comes hand-in-glove from people who hold the tenets of the Right that I listed in 'Right and Left'.
http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2011/10/right-and-left-right-wrong.html

Conservatives are very (over?) sensitive to the attitudes of the 40% independents. These people are ideologically untethered and most respond especially well to simple zingers du jour - after all they did elect Obama et al. And when they got their butts blistered by seeing Team Obama in action, enough of them swung the other way to elect a Repub House. But none of this guarantees what they will do in 2012 because blisters heal quickly, history only goes back to last season's Survivors, and bite-sized zingers are so easy to chew and swallow. Besides, can anyone really imagine the Tea Party crowds, including the one Glenn Beck assembled, doing the stuff that goes on when the Left assembles?

Collectivism has always been sold and imposed with more than a threat of violence. Worldwide, the unions continue to be the poster-children of this observation.

Todd Juvinall

BenE must be thinking he is playing us since no one could be that dense and in denial.

D. King

"Collectivism has always been sold and imposed with violence."

Yes, and food, and the infrastructure to create and deliver it.

D. King

I think the problem they're having this time George, is to shut down here, you have to starve the rest of the world. Not popular, but they never do think things through, do they?

Greg Goodknight

Maybe Crabb knows where to find this one... a "Life in Hell" Matt Groening cartoon from the a presidential election cycle, about undecided voters. Maybe 12 of them, each saying something stupid, ending with 'is it cool or scary that we'll determine the election? I don't know'.

It might still be on my refrigerator, I don't know...

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