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16 November 2011

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Mario Guanero

What happened to the doctored Obama salute image, cracker?
Mister "issues" intellectual shows his true colors for a split second, huh?
(no worry, I saved it) [A heads-up from a reader demonstrated that the image had been photoshopped. Therefore I removed it. gjr]

As we draw closer to the elections, the smell of desperation is again permeating these pages.
All that's missing is the dixie flag from this wingnut circle jerk.
Get ready for the hard slap of reality, obstructionists. Keep fielding losers and you'll just cement your defeat.

Todd Juvinall

You are right George, you cannot dismiss him. He did rub elbows with the most powerful man on the planet and held a position in his administration so we know Jones can move on up. What is reliable about the left is they never "let a bad thing" go to waste. They have their little pot stirrers out their at every protest, getting those minds of mush agitated to do their bidding. Lately though, the alternative medias allow Americans to see and hear the misguided left and as we know, they make up about 20% of the country, politically speaking, and headed south.

The liberal game is on the ropes and Time and Newsweek are as well. Those once great magazines are now simply a mouthpiece for leftwing propaganda, too bad.

Steve Frisch

He can "move on up", eh? That's pretty uppity of him! Now why would you chose to use that term Todd? Little tongue in cheek humor? code? trying to elicit a response?

Let's all just turn a blind eye to this, OK? I mean really, these words have multiple meanings, and if anyone takes them to be code they are the racists?

RL will quickly jump in to say someone is being too politically correct, that this is an example of liberal excess, them calm down until the next person comes along in a week or two and refers to our President as, "Dyn-o-might"!

Russ Steele

The Ella Baker Center for Human Rights was started by Van Jones, Obama’s former Green Job Czar, a declared Communist who wants to destroy Capitalism. He proposed that environmental laws be used as the wrecking ball to destroy capitalism and launched a web site and media campaign against Prop 23, which was the initiative to resend AB32, the Global Warming Solutions Act of 2006.

Now it looks like he has a new mission, with the AB32 on it's way to being fully implemented, forcing California energy cost to soar in January 2012, which will force business out of California. The real question, is will he be as successful in organizing OWS into an army of the unwashed for Obama as he was in the destruction of Prop 23. Stay tuned.

Mike Thornton

I was at the Rebuild the Dream conference in DC. and the "Gang of 8" has every reason to be afraid of Jones!. He's smart, articulate and charismatic. The fact is that Rebuild the Dream is the beginning of an authentic progressive populist movement (unlike the Koch funded, Tea Party). So this time the paranoid, under the bed shivering exhibited here is justified. And as Frisch points out, you guys just can't refrain from throwing the race grenade. You just can't do it!

George Rebane

MikeT - The fear of Jones' and his message is fairly widespread across the land. RR long ago identified the power of this communist to rally the masses. BTW, enlighten us all on your "throwing the race grenade" remark. Usually the Left uses that to camouflage a weak argument, but your argument here seems strong enough. Did you just throw it in gratuitously?

Koch funded? Soros funded?

Russ Steele

Oh my god you lefties find "dog whistles" in every thing that conservative write. Do you look under the bed every night looking for the monsters that lurk in your mind. You need to examine how you analyze what we write and your own motivations. Let's not highjack this discussion with a bunch of racial charges, that have noting to do with the left highjacking the OWS Movement and turning it into an unwashed army for Obama..

Russ Steele

OWS Protester: In a Few Days You’re Going to See What a Molotov Cocktail Can Do to Macy’s

Ain’t no more talking, They got guns we got bodies. They got bricks we got rocks. Let’s see what they got.

I want them…I want them to make that decision so they can see…in a few days you going to see what a molotov cocktail can do to Macy’s.”

I wonder if this is kind of action that Van Jones is planning for the rest of us. Is this why our local left thinks that we should be scared of Van Jones. Do they have some inside information, did they get a call to action memo?

Mike Thornton

TJ Writes:

"we know Jones 'can move on up'"
This is clearly a reference to the TV show the Jeffersons about a social climbing Black man (and his family)
George: I know you're not stupid. Why do you pretend to be?
Are you really blind to the race baiting references that your RR buddies throw out on a daily basis or do you feel like you're the Dad and have to protect them from their own stupid statements?
Truthfully in the end it makes YOU look like the one who is disingenuous an out of touch.

Mike Thornton

Russ:
Are you taking on the role of TJ's big brother now, since George has dad wrapped up?

Greg Goodknight

I remember one hard left, progressive friend of mine informing me that George Bush invaded Iraq because Saddam was for universal health care and equal rights for women; he was a big fan of Thornton's "news" at KVMR, which may be where he picked up that news turd. Haven't talked to him for awhile, but did see him holding up a sign at the recent local "Occupy the Broad St. bridge" shenanigans.

I don't fear the Thorntons and Jones of the world. I disagree with them, and stand up to them. Democrats in general and Obama and Pelosi in particular own the Occupy movement, having expressed approval. As a strategic positioning, the Rebanes and Steeles of the country should rejoice in the news from Van Jones... a replay of the Chicago '72 Democratic Convention should help the Republican nominee, whoever they are. The riots in Chicago didn't hurt Republicans at all; Nixon won, despite my vote for McGovern.

Occupy Charlotte in 2012. Should be interesting. The more the Occupy movement pulls left, the harder it will be for Democrats to appear centrist in 2012, and this is a center-right country. Hard left loses.

News on Kudlow & Co. last night was that Ron Paul was in a 4 way statistial dead heat between Paul, Cain, Gingrich and Romney in the Iowa caucuses. We live in interesting times. Maybe Paul will get more than 89 seconds of airtime out of the next 90 minute debate.

D. King

OWS / Van Jones trans warp fail!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRf1zI2IoWQ

RL Crabb

Steve F. -Oh, I'm sure Todd likes to use references that will get your dander up. I only like to point out that the other side gets away with it all the time. Like calling someone a "cracker". Are you telling me that's not a racial, bigoted term? Where's the outrage?

Todd Juvinall

The last hiding place for a liberal losing the argument is to call our racism. What a hoot.

Todd Juvinall

I have been studying the tax returns of SBC at the AG's website as recommended by Frisch. Wow, ar they in big trouble.

George Rebane

GregG 831am - From your mouth to God's ear; may your calming words bear fruit. I have a hard time equating 1968 to 2012 - too much of the world has changed and is different. The Great Society has had four decades to warp American values and mores. Jones and the more benign (and clueless) progressives have a lot of ignorance, and now economic desperation, to tap.

Russ Steele

Here is a little insight from Hot Air


Looks like the party’s over — and I’m not talking about the Tea Party.  Democratic pollster PPP’s new national survey shows support dropping dramatically for the Occupy movement.  In fact, it now ranks below the national support for the much-maligned conservative grassroots movement:

The Occupy Wall Street movement is not wearing well with voters across the country. Only 33% now say that they are supportive of its goals, compared to 45% who say they oppose them. That represents an 11 point shift in the wrong direction for the movement’s support compared to a month ago when 35% of voters said they supported it and 36% were opposed. Most notably independents have gone from supporting Occupy Wall Street’s goals 39/34, to opposing them 34/42.

Voters don’t care for the Tea Party either, with 42% saying they support its goals to 45% opposed.  But asked whether they have a higher opinion of the Tea Party or Occupy Wall Street movement the Tea Party wins out 43-37, representing a flip from last month when Occupy Wall Street won out 40-37 on that question. Again the movement with independents is notable- from preferring Occupy Wall Street 43-34, to siding with the Tea Party 44-40.

Greg Goodknight

Thornton, don't be deterred by Russ' post. The falling Occupy poll numbers just means you need to be more earnest, more strident. Never give up, never surrender.

Mikey McD

"He's smart, articulate and charismatic" the same was said of Hitler.

D. King

I don’t worry too much about their threats. Everyone is so interconnected now that when someone from the progressive / left persuasion clams to be “middle of the road”, young people above the age of 13 just laugh.

Mikey McD

Still waiting for answers from the progressives:

What should be the punishment for a 30 year old father of 3 who knowingly chooses not to contribute 10.4% of 'his' wages to social security?

mike thornton

Wow, it doesn't take much to get the "Gang of 8" to come rushing out of the woodwork to make ridiculous statements.
Let's examine a couple of them. The Tea Party has fallen under the weight of it's own extremisms and lack of connection with the issues that the public is concerned about, while OWS has been literally attacked by the police and driven out with tear gas and at gun point. With, by the way (apparent) coordination and support from the Obama administration (so there goes that RR conspiracy theory!)
The OWS story isn't over yet. So we still need to see what happens.

One of GG's friends is an idiot and he tries to blame me for it. He's your buddy GG, not mine! I never said anything close to what you're trying to smear me with, but as usual that doesn't matter to you, or to the Regressives here.

TJ Writes:

"The last hiding place for a liberal losing the argument is to call our racism. What a hoot"

Mind you now, he clearly doesn't deny the racisim, he just objects to liberals calling him on "our" racism. So who is this "our"? I guess he must mean himself and the rest of the "Gang of 8"? You know, the truth is I feel a little sorry for George and Russ. Playing nursemaid and nanny for TJ, has got to be exhausting! So once again, who is losing the argument? As usual it's the "Gang of 8"!

Todd Juvinall

Liberalism is truly a mental disorder. Reading the left here proves it. What a hoot!

Mikey McD

http://the53.tumblr.com/

Greg Goodknight

Mikey, don't be silly. That father of 3 doesn't have a choice. If he works for someone else, his employer will confiscate the money and send it to DC. If he works for himself, if he falsifies his tax returns, they'll get him as if he was a modern day Al Capone. Tax evasion.

When I was a child, seniors were the poorest segment of society. In the progressive modern era, the AARP markets Winnebagos and Carribean cruises to the old, and the poorest segment of society are the young. Of course, oldsters used to not want to be a burden on their own children. That's been solved, now they're a burden on everyone else's children.

Redistribution of wealth is harder than it looks.

George Rebane

Russ 908am - Thanks for adding the poll data to the dialogue - it's important and on the point. My only concern is that public opinion, especially of those in the unanchored middle, is highly volatile (as you also point out). We may be taking comfort too early. I am especially concerned of the large fraction of people who have literally no idea of what the tea party movement is about, or how it is structured. The lamestream and Left have been very successful in portraying their caricature of this admittedly Rightwing movement. It will take more than one molotov from the occupiers to make the center wake up and take notice.

For a perspective of how the Left, led by the radicals like Jones and its 'reasonable' contingent with people like Robert Reich, plan to make the case to their nominated aggrieved cohort, one just needs to go read truthout.com. And as ToddJ points out on his blog, Leftwingers like Pelosi immediately leap on the lamestream, should they fall out of (party) line even slightly. See her call '60 Minutes' a "rightwing smear" operation when they included her shenanigans on insider trading with those of all the Republicans. Steering the country toward hardcore socialism is entering the full court press phase.

Mikey McD

Dear progressives,

What should be the punishment for a 30 year old father of 3 who knowingly chooses not to contribute 10.4% of 'his' wages to social security?

Greg Goodnight, thanks. I guess the left thinks my question was rhetorical.

George Rebane

Gentlemen of the Left - I note again that you launch into denigrating the messengers while leaving the message unattended. This is most visible in your almost hardwired dredging up of the racist issue. You seem so preoccupied with race that you see a connection to racism in almost everything that conservatives say, even if you have to manufacture a gossamer thin connection yourself to raise that point.

The proposition of this post is that Leftwing populism, focused now on the occupiers, is becoming more radicalized with the re-emergence of leaders like Van Jones and academics like Robert Reich stoking income and class as dividers. If you have nothing pro/con to add to this, then please stifle yourselves.

D. King

Mike Thornton said:

“I was at the Rebuild the Dream conference in DC.”

“Van Jones’s Rebuild the Dream group is employing tiny tots to push a progressive liberal agenda in a new video.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=G7L3xpElK0Y

I guess little Mike Thornton was just out of the shot!

George Rebane

DavidK - now that is a scary YouTube video. Leftwing propaganda and lies put in the mouths of children, and all funded by George Soros.

mike thornton

You guys really are delusional aren't you?
You just spout your stuff and move on like none of it was said.
And God, George, after your ringing endorsement of Alex Jones, you're now quoting Sarah Palin?
When it comes to "stroking income and class as 'dividers'", they are "dividers" George!
I get it that you and the "Gang of 8" don't want anyone pointing out that the Top 1% control over 40% of the wealth in this country, because God forbid that the 99% start demanding a bigger piece of the pie.
So you see what Reich and Jones and OWS are doing as bad and (as usual) "Communist". I see it as conciousness raising and "Democratic"!

mike thornton

And while we're at it, take a look at what's happening to the OWS folks at the hands of the police.

I'm sure you'll be particularly happy about the 84 year old grandmother getting shot in the face with pepper spray!

http://news.yahoo.com/pregnant-teen-elderly-woman-among-pepper-sprayed-113054448.html

Maybe they can start waterboarding them next, eh?

Steve Frisch

Bullhockey Russ, and RL, this was a clear racial reference by Todd, intended to stir up angry dialogue, and I merely named it for what it was. To think or contend otherwise is just transparently nonsensical.

D. King

Mike Thornton said:

"I see it as conciousness raising and "Democratic"!"

Only a progressive would call the brainwashing of childern; "conciousness raising".


D. King

children not childern sorry.

mike thornton

Who is talking about "brainwashing children"?
Once again you guys cherry pick something and then try and spin it as though it's the totality.

mike thornton


Gee, articulate, happy kids talking sense is "brainwashing:???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=G7L3xpElK0

I forgot, you guys want our children to get the "Taliban Treatment" when it comes to education.

Mikey McD

Dear progressives,

What should be the punishment for a 30 year old father of 3 who knowingly chooses not to contribute 10.4% of 'his' wages to social security?

Mikey McD

I am glad that the progressives keep bringing up the race card. Racism or any other form of discrimination is morally wrong. It is however hypocritical to be against discriminatiion based on race and a proponent of discriminating individuals based on income (progressive tax).

In the schoolyard you are telling kids that skin colors are equal, but the rich kids should be teased and bullied.

D. King

Report: 80% of DOE Green Energy Loans Went to Obama Backers

Must be a progressive coincidence! :)

http://blog.heritage.org/2011/11/14/report-80-of-doe-green-energy-loans-went-to-obama-backers/

Wasn't Van Jones the Green energy Czar?

mike thornton

Mikey:
Read the thread and then ask yourself who actually brought the race card up.
Oh don't bother, you'll just lie about it anyway.

Gee, King, the way you guys suck up to the fossil fuel industry, maybe it's only progressives that are willing to work on alternative energy solutions...

And, oh my God, political contributors are getting government contracts...
I'm sure that never happened be for the "Manchurian Muslim" got elected!

D. King

Mike,
Do you really want to go down the road of progressives and race? Because I'd be happy to oblige you.

Here's a little taste:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0ZWdX6Z5T4

mike thornton

No, I'm just simply pointing out that (once again) it was one of the "Gang of 8" that threw race into the debate and then TJ stuck his foot in his mouth (again) by dubling down and complaining that Liberals "call our racism", which is exactly what happend here!
Don't you know that for every video you post trying to prove your point, I can find two the prove mine? Man you guys just never give up! Why don't you just say; "Yeah it was stupid for TJ to have done that." But you guys simply can't do it!
Now I'll watch you video, which I'm sure will be ridiculous and/or taken out of context. I'll be back.....

mike thornton

OK, I watched it and the conclusion I come to is, that you're either way too high to be responsible for your actions or that you're an idiot.
How anybody (other than someone who has real issues) can watch that video and come to the conclusions you seem to have come too is, frankly, crazy!
This is simply another example of how the "Gang of 8" discredits itself on a daily basis!

Todd Juvinall

MikeT keep on trucking here, you are a excellent example of why the left is toast in our political and moral system.

Greg Goodknight

Thornton, my delusional friend relied mostly on KVMR news, along with Pacifica. Mostly VMR. Plenty of loose nuts in both places. He was able to hear what he wanted to hear. He knew he couldn't trust the Bee, The Union, even the Chronicle to give him the truth.

He isn't the "99%".
He's the 10% on the hard left who believes you.

D. King

Mike said:

"OK, I watched it and the conclusion I come to is, that you're either way too high to be responsible for your actions or that you're an idiot."


UN Displaces 20,000 African Farmers to Mitigate Global Warming

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bezsUyvsv4A

Shall we go to Margaret Sanger and her feelings on race.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEja-1emRic

or

Rachel Carson and the number of minorty children that have died due to her.

The simpletons guide to DDT & Rachel Carson (YouTube name)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uARFfWFcV5A

You know I don't mind you calling me an idiot, but you should know that the ability of progressives to get away with lying about issues is over.


Greg Goodknight

Cute kids in the Contract for the American Dream video. Kids love fairy tales.

I especially loved the 'teensy little tax' to be levied on equities market transactions. Would raise huge amounts of money that could buy all this good stuff. The unintended but obvious side effect...Can anyone dream up a scheme that would drive capital out of America faster than that?

BTW Thornton, drop the race card. You're the only one playing it that I can see.

Greg Goodknight

Thornton... the bios I've found of you don't say a word about your education. Dropout? GED? HS diploma? some college? Yale Law?

mike thornton

Gee, King, you've discovered that there are some folks who believe that the Global North (yes largely white Europeans) have exploited the Global South (largely people of color) Man, you are really onto something...... this must clearly be an Obama led conspiracy.
GG, you need to talk to your boy TJ, not me!
And, whatever my education level is or where it comes from, I take great comfort in knowing that I'm at least as smart as you!

D. King

"Gee, King, you've discovered that there are some folks who believe that the Global North (yes largely white Europeans)have exploited the Global South (largely people of color) Man, you are really onto something..."

No Mike, what I've discovered is that progressives in this country, right now, have a lot to answer for!

mike thornton

Lots of people, have lots to answer for!
The thing is that you only want some of them to pay and largely it's not the ones who have done the real damage!

Greg Goodknight

OK, Thornton, GED. Maybe. Probably needed that to get the county drug rehab job.

I was smart enough to both be accepted into MENSA and then to stop sending them money. You?

Education isn't about being "smart", I've known some fairly uneducated geniuses. Education is about learning how to think as clearly and as well as one can, to gain an understanding of what is and what was and to communicate complex ideas. As far as I can tell, your communication style is pure streetfight. Forget logic, forget chaining together thoughts in order to reach an enlightened conclusion. It's tribal ad hominems from start to finish. Sad.

Todd Juvinall

Greg, excellent points. I have watched some interviews of OWS thugs today and I must say their rhetoric mirrors Thornton. He sure seems to be secretive about his educational level. Perhaps one gained against his will?

Anyway, he seems to have a hate for white Europeans and since I know he is a descendant of them, I am curious why?

Todd Juvinall

BTW, I am curious how Thornton can make the statement about who pays what and how much when we all have the facts only 1/2 pay federal income taxes and the top 1% pay 38% of the total federal bill. That includes those evil corporations. I guess we just have to put up with the bombastic and foolish rhetoric of liberals like Thornton. At least we have the truth on our side.

Greg Goodknight

"Lots of people, have lots to answer for! The thing is that you only want some of them to pay and largely it's not the ones who have done the real damage!"

It appears that since folks with light colored skins and European ancestry screwed over folks with darker colored skins in the past, the peoples of color are owed reparations by people of pallor.

Hmmm. Thornton, I've a great great grandfather who ran away from home to join the abolitionist Union Army at the start of the Civil War. Does that buy me any absolution? I've a very possibly delusional cousin who generated a family tree that puts Pocahontas as my great-great-...-great grandmother. Does that buy me any Indulgences. If it does, does the status of her husband John Rolfe as the founding US tobacco farmer take that away?

In short, can my ancestors write any check that I must cash? Can distant relatives not in my genetic line write checks that I must cash? Who decides how much I need to give, and who decides when the debt is paid?

Just how does this all work in Thornton's world?

I was forced to read Locke's 2nd Treatise on Civil Government a few decades ago. Thornton, give it a spin.

George Rebane

Memo to file re GeorgeR 1002am - well, I guess that little exhortation didn't work. They're at it stronger than ever.

Todd Juvinall

Along the lines of Greg's thoughts. My relatives came over on my mom's side in the late 1600's. They never owned a slave nor did they have anything to do with colonial power in the rest of the world. They were simple folks, carpenters, store keeprs etc. So can I claim them as a "get out of Thornton's jail card"? My grandaddy fought in WW1 for the freedom of the folks there. My daddy in WW2. He beat those fascists,you know the ones that murdered fifty million people. The people they called sub-human. Well Thornton, does that give me a pass?

You see Thornton, your phony outrage is what I call a simple race hustle. Like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, they use the phony outrage to make money off their race hustle. You fell for it. Too bad.

Greg Goodknight

One more thing, Thornton... I regularly send zingers in Todd's direction. Here's one...

Todd, the working poor and middle class get a large percentage of their wages skimmed off the top by the feds. They pay payroll taxes, and the money they pay in payroll taxes is considered income they'll have to pay income taxes on, even though they'll never see it. Then an equivalent chunk of money is sent by their employer to the government for the right to rent a body for their labor; the difference is the employer doesn't have to pay income taxes on that chunk.

The Congress takes that money and pretends to put it into the pocket they pay benefits from and not the pocket they pay out for defense, the patent office, justice or the other enumerated powers that are actually in the Constitution.

Congress takes their money and gives it to someone else, with a promise that they'll take from their children to give to them in the future. Sorry, but everyone who works pays a big chunk of their income in Federal Income Taxes. Social Security and Medicare are big fat federal income taxes. Come to grips with it. Stop with the fiction they are not.

D. King

Todd said:

"Like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, they use the phony outrage to make money off their race hustle."

Watch this video on Margaret Sanger and note the part where she talks about using reverends to keep the black folks inline; very illuminating!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEja-1emRic

D. King

Scan to min 5:40 in the video Todd.

Greg Goodknight

DK, Sanger's legacy has killed far more babies of pallor than babies of color. However, PP has killed many more black babies than the KKK would have ever dared dream.

Religion is the opiate of the masses. Pro football, too.

D. King

Greg,
So, I can't figure out why progressives throw the race card all the time. Is it a diversion or a lack of knowledge?

Todd Juvinall

That Sanger chick was bad news. She sure called it though for the race hustlers.

Greg, I just have to disagree with you on your fiction about Social Security and Medicare. Those are programs of pay and purchase. The money paid into their"trust" funds is totally different than a "income tax". As the Constitutional Amendments states, the Congress shall tax all "income" and I know you know the difference. Now, if the federals take the money and leave an IOU then place the money into the general fund, you could have a point.

The income tax comes in many forms ut not SS or Medicare.

The working poor and others pay into a fund they are supposedly going to use at old age. A unemployment check is paid for by income taxes.

Greg Goodknight

Sorry, Todd, but there is no "Trust Fund", just a checking account where the workers pay in and retireees and junkies get checks. It's still money taken from Peter to pay Paul levied on their income. That they pretend to tax Mary in the future to pay Peter back isn't even a legal promise. There is no contractual obligation for anyone to get paid back.

The Feds DO take the money and leave an IOU. That's how SS has always worked.

George Rebane

Re the Trust Funds - I believe that the claimed trust funds do exist (else too many in Congress have perjured themselves), but they have nothing but Treasuries in them (that is IOUs) that the feds gave back when they immediately took out the cash from payroll deductions for SS and Medicare, and put the same cash into the general fund to be spent immediately. The Treasuries are to be redeemed for spendable cash out of God knows what - perhaps some combination of taxes, borrowed money, and/or payroll deductions (the latter making it all a Ponzi scheme).

Mike Thornton

You know GG, it sounds to me like you've got a bit on an insecurity complex.
It's OK man. Maybe you should hit up the United Negro College Fund, they say "A mind is a terrible thing to waste." And clearly you've got real issues, when it comes to minds, money and people of color. Knock yourself out homeboy!

Todd Juvinall

I have always been told there was a trust fund! OMG, did they lie? LOL. We have all dutifully paid our "fairshare" over our lifetimes and even the Supreme Court has defined those "trust funds" as entitlements, not to be messed with. No, we allowed the politicians to take that money and replace the funds with IOU's. I say, let us rent our people out to the Chinese to get our money returned. We could build them a new Great Wall!

D. King

Todd,

"That Sanger chick was bad news. She sure called it though for the race hustlers."

Oh wow!

http://vanjones.net/

Greg Goodknight

Yes, Todd, calling it a trust fund made it easy to gain folks trust. Your money isn't in an account earning interest from real investments. Some got given to prior retirees, the positive balance got swept into the general fund where it is now part of the national debt. They loaned the money to themselves and spent it. It's now just more debt your kids and grandkids need to pay off.


Mikey McD

Ditto: "Memo to file re GeorgeR 1002am - well, I guess that little exhortation didn't work. They're at it stronger than ever."

Posted by: George Rebane | 16 November 2011 at 02:50 PM

George, we may need to brainstorm (over a bottle of vino?) how to focus the comments. I am glad that I did not hold my breathe when I asked my SS question of the left ("What should be the punishment for a 30 year old father of 3 who knowingly chooses not to contribute 10.4% of 'his' wages to social security?").

Todd Juvinall

Greg we are on the same wavelength,the bottom line is they swiped it.

Greg Goodknight

"You know GG, it sounds to me like you've got a bit on an insecurity complex."

You know, Thornton, I figured you'd skip out on any discussion of real ideas and go back into your familiar dark side. I think what you're doing here is called "projecting" by all the best pop psychologists.

Greg Goodknight

No Todd, they didn't "swipe it". The Feds did exactly what they said they would.

Todd Juvinall

No Greg, they legally swiped it. Right in front of us.

bill tozer

I think I got a case of the craps down at OWS. Darn, I was told those little horny tents are not safe and now I know why. But I digress. If Obama was a principled man, he would have stood by Van Jones and the o so reverend Reverend Jeremiah Wright. They spoke his language and expressed his thoughts. Obama turning his back on those who shared his core beliefs is a crying shame and proves he has no backbone. Anyway, nothing says "sorry about the craps" like flowers. Guess I won't hold my breath waiting for the florist.

Greg Goodknight

"George, we may need to brainstorm (over a bottle of vino?) how to focus the comments."

Curb your Thornton. I must say I find his little happy fun slanders have no place in any blog. Defamations should be deleted.

D. King

From the update:

"Desperation and ignorance join to make this evil extreme of collectivism again look good. One out of nine people believing anything is a significant faction in a society."

The young didn't have the first hand experience that we did George, you more so. BTW, I don't believe the numbers from these Bozos any more. I also think that younger people will figure things out faster than we did. Once they find out, the progressives had better find a good place to hide.

Greg Goodknight

Todd, when they started boosting SS tax rates and limits in the 80's, where did you think the excess "contributions" were going? Into a vault under Ft. Knox where all those dollars would somehow multiply in the dark like so many mushrooms?

Anyway, sorry George, this is way off the Van Jones subject.

Todd Juvinall

Greg, I was bamboozled by the silver tonged devils called democrats. LOL

Mike Thornton

GG, how come you never apply that same standard to your buddies, or more pointedly to yourself?

Greg Goodknight

Thornton, you're in pure ad hominem mode today, which tells me you've run out of ammo. This "buddies" thing is especially silly; I don't share an ideology with anyone here, except maybe RL Crabb, a fine fellow who I generally share chuckles with talking about the blogosphere when our orbits intersect.

D. King, to answer your question, why do the Thorntons of the world like to slander folks with the racist charge? Giving it some thought, I think it's because it's fun, easy, and akin to "when did you stop beating your wife?" in making people squirm. He probably also is bigoted enough to think that only the hard left are without the original sin of bigotry.

Decided to look further for something of interest, so I googled "racism of conservatives". The very first hit was a paper from Frisco State, Frisch's alma mater (probably one of his professors), entitled "Conservatism and Racism, and Why They are the Same in America". That's probably as good an introduction of how these guys think as anything else.
http://bss.sfsu.edu/rsmith/americanpolitics/conservatism%20and%20racism.pdf


Greg Goodknight

That wasn't a paper, apparently was an intro to the book the good professor wrote:
http://www.amazon.com/Conservation-America-African-American-Studies/dp/1438432321/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1321512155&sr=1-2

From the Back Cover
"In this provocative, wide-ranging study, Robert C. Smith contends that ideological conservatism and racism are and always have been equivalent in the United States. In this carefully constructed and thoroughly documented philosophical, historical, and empirical inquiry, Smith analyzes conservative ideas from John Locke to William F. Buckley Jr., as well as the parallels between the rise and decline of the civil rights movement in the 1950s and 1970s and the ascendancy of the conservative movement to national power in 1980. Using archival material from the Reagan Library, the book includes detailed analysis of the Reagan presidency and race, focusing on affirmative action, the Voting Rights Act, the Grove City case, welfare reform, South Africa policy, and the Martin Luther King Jr. holiday. Conservatism and Racism, and Why in America They Are the Same goes beyond a focus on the right wing, concluding with an analysis of the enduring impact of the conservative movement and the Reagan presidency on liberalism, race, and the Democratic Party. "

Ain't tenure great?

Greg Goodknight

Rereading the thread, one more little loose end... Frisch used the term "dyn-o-mite" to bring to mind another black tv character. The comedian Jimmy Walker who had that as a catch phrase is a libertarian, not a democrat:
http://server.theadvocates.org/celebrities/jimmie-walker.html

D. King

Thanks Greg,

I guess eugenics is just like crack to progressives, they just can't stop.

RL Crabb

Well, Greg, not exactly...The Republican party did quite a bit to earn its racist cred. Billy Buckley, back in 1957, said this about southern white's right to dominate areas in which they were the minority...
"The sobering answer is yes...The white community is entitled because it is the more advanced race...It is more important to affirm and live by civilized standards than to bow to the demands of the numerical majority."

And I do recall the resistance of the Reagan administration to ending apartheid in South Africa, at least until public opinion forced the issue. The same with Arizona's refusal to observe MLK day.

This isn't to say that the Dems hands are clean, but most of them changed their positions or party after the sixties.

The Repubs have come a long way since those times. Just ask Condi Rice or Colin Powell or even Herman Cain. Is there still racism in the GOP? Of course, and it doesn't help when yahoos like Dixon toss out terms like "jigaboo". But I still contend that most conservatives are not racist.

Mike Thornton

Bob:
I agree with you that most conservatives are NOT racists!
My point here is that on RR there can be almost no discussion of any topic where one of the "gang of 8" doesn't throw out some racially based statement as part of their argument. Frankly, I believe that they (more often than not) think they're being clever and have little awareness of what they're doing. What it really shows is not so much that they hate Black people, but that they are so immersed in their own White "privilege" that they don't see how they're perpetuating the structural racism that this country has been built upon, and has continued operating under since its inception Are things better (for some Blacks) than they were in 1776, or for that matter 1956? Of course. But the other aspect is that there has been no improvement in the economic "wealth" held by Blacks (in general) in America in the last 40 years.
This is the real issue that the "Gang of 8" refuses to deal with and it doesn't apply simply to Black Americans. 1% of Americans control 40+% of the entire wealth of the country. Does anyone really believe that this has happened based on "merit"?
People are standing up and demanding a bigger share of the pie. And the response of the police is to beat them back down into submission. Why? Because the police (in the end) work for the wealthy and to protect their property, their priveledge and their wealth.
So are conservatives racists, largely not. But are they seeking to perpetuate structural inequality that disproportionally effects Blacks and other people of color?
Absolutely! The sad thing is that most of them are too ignorant to be able to understand that is what they're doing.

Greg Goodknight

RL, I'm not sure where the not exactly applies.

I get an impression Buckley wasn't talking about a genetic superiority there; for a lot of mostly bad reasons, the Southern whites he wa referring to were probably much better educated, and it's not like blacks were particularly welcome in a lot of Democratic and white Boston neighborhoods in those days, either. Or now. And until recently, a former Grand Cyclops Klansman was the senior Democrat in the Senate.

I've also had quite literate and educated blacks tell me they preferred the open racism they'd see in the South over the soft and often hidden racism of the North.

Mike Thornton

Greg: I don't want to fight with you today, but you're proving my point. I agree with what you have said in your last post until you get too: "I've also had quite literate and educated blacks tell me they preferred the open racism they'd see in the South over the soft and often hidden racism of the North."
It seems for you that there are the "deserving" Blacks, that meet your standards of credibility and the the rest of them that don't.
I believe that you don't consciously think that, but don't you see how it perpetuates a negative system and hurts more than helps?

Todd Juvinall

The difference between the Thornton's and the rest of us is simple, we love everyone as people, he sees colors.

Greg Goodknight

You really know how to mangle a thought, Thornton. "Deserving" blacks? I don't think articulate and deserving are the same thing.

You apparently invent your own reality and your images of the players there.

Mike Thornton

Forget it it, Greg...
I gotta tell ya, I'm losing respect for the credibility of Mensa by the minute.
And TJ, you're just ridiculous.
I'm done for now. I actually have to go to work.

Steve Frisch

I agree with Bob, most conservatives are not racists; but conservatives that turn a blind eye to race baiting and inflammatory language, intentional use of stereotypes, and the use of racially charged terms, disguised as subtle jokes, with the intention of fomenting a racially charged discussion, are. That is exactly what Todd did, and you guys still have not taken him to task for it. As long as you harbor bigots and racisists, instead of calling them on their nonsense, you will be seen in the same light.

By the way, since my last comment yesterday was censored, please don't quote it. Readers will not be able to place the comments in context.

Todd Juvinall

Well here I go, I am moving on up, headed for a better life here on the planet. I find it typical of liberals like Frisch and Thornton (in my opinion exhibitors of closet racism and projecting) looking for those code words in every para and sentence. Their lives have to be extremely vacuous.

Greg Goodknight

Frankly, Thornton, anyone who follows 'I don't want to fight today' with a clear slander doesn't know if they want to sit or go sailing.

You've dodged all the substance and went straight for the slander.

Frisch, there's a difference between censored and edited. The government does one, your publisher does the other.

George Rebane

SteveF 817am - Please remind me, what comment of yours was censored??

mike thornton

More documentation of why organizations like Rebuild the Dream are needed.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/16/us/middle-class-areas-shrink-as-income-gap-grows-report-finds.html?_r=2&emc=eta1

mike thornton

Steve Frisch sums up my arguement regarding race issues at RR very well.
The thing I find disturbibg (as does Steve) is that you guys never admit the obvious, regardless of how many times it's pointed out to you.
And then at the same time you turn around and make grand pronoucements about how you and only you should be able to dictate the direction that America should go in.
The inability to admit one's own mistatkes is pathological and leads to serious problems for everyone concerned. So the fact that the "Gang of 8" exhibits said pathology on a daily basis, catagorically makes them unfit for any decision making role or leadership.

Todd Juvinall

God you are funny Thornton. When you start writing something of substance we might start paying attention. Childish drivel is all you have.

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