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04 February 2012

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Russ Steele

Well, now I am left wondering why the progressives and their lame steam press lapdogs keep telling us that there are similarities? I cannot find one similarity.

Douglas Keachie

And now, how many in each group?

Gregory

How many TP'ers are in Congress? How many Occupy supporters?

Douglas Keachie

How many TP'ers are in Congress? How many Occupy supporters? Ask again after November. BTW every major demonstration that TPP held in Sacramento required police over time.

billy T

Dr. Rebane, this is by no means a comprehensive list. Just in Oakland, you can add some things to the Occupy Yes Column and No on the Tea Party Column. For instance, throwing Bibles from the rooftops at police, smashing a 100 year old model of what old City hall used to look like, destroying a children's art exhibit about recycling, smashing a door to a room in city hall used for counseling jobless and those wrestling with drug addiction (not to mention overturning a soda machine in the destroyed room), daily spraying graffiti on public property (which space won't allow me to describe in detail), telling a CBS petite reporter "we kill bitches like you.", not to mention smashing news cameras, news vans, police cars and a long list of OPP (other people's property). Further south in the fair city of Los Angeles, police fenced off the historic fountain that has stood unmarred since the days of founding of the Pueblo de Los Angeles. Stood there for 190 years until the peaceful Occupiers threw florescent paint on it. My particular favorite occurred at the birthplace of the much revered OWS. A kindhearted soul supplied the OWS crowd with sandwiches, bagels, and pastries from her restaurant on a daily basis and even delivered goodies on her pastry cart. After showing solidarity with the gentle crowd for a spell, she stopped delivering the treats because of financial restraints. When the cart stopped coming, the OWSers went into her pastry shop and destroyed the place, including her cart, LOL. Dr. Rebane, I noticed there are 3 cases of public masturbation on the Occupy column. Two things: First, the whole OWS is one big public display of spilling the milk. Second, when has public masturbation became newsworthy? (tongue in cheek)

Douglas Keachie

What is the ratio of illegal activity to perfectly legal activity? If one protest throws one brick, how many protestors never threw a brick? Being busted arrested for civil disobedience, after committing no property damage or insults to cops is a perfectly honorably way of making one's point. See Dr. Martin Luther King as an example. Just because one soldier in Iraq murdered some innocent people, it does not mean all soldiers in Iraq murder innocent people, much as TWO teachers in one school up for molestation doe not mean that ALL school must be harboring at least one who should be.

Again, how many Tea Party people have put in how many hours at demonstrations, vs how many OWS folks have put in how many hours at demonstrations?

billy T

Good points, Doug. Yep, if Joe the Lip endorses the movement along with North Korea and Iran, who am I to cast the first worm casting? To be fair and balanced, lets see what other lefties are saying about the groundswell. http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/04/maher-to-leftover-occupy-movement-douchebags-get-a-job/

Paul Emery

The Tea Party has had it's moment in the sun and the end result will be Romney as their swordsmen against Obama. Nuff said.

billy T

Remember, Hope spelled backwards is Epoh http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=epoh

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Romney is the Tea Party's swordsman? Republicans like Romney are one of the driving forces for the TP creation. They were sick and tired of RINOs and liberals running as Rs that would abandon conservative principles once they were in office. I'm not voting for Romney and I think a heavy percentage of TPers won't either. This is the reason that the Dems want him to be the R nominee.

George Rebane

BillyT - The point well made in the post and subsequent comments is that the occupiers and tea party folks are people from distinct tribes and evolved cultures. And their attempted apologists seem also to be totally removed from what the TPers consider civil behavior. Thanks for the additional insights.

I will be wearing my TPP sweatshirt until they make it illegal public attire. I'm willing to wager that several more million in the country will be doing the same. And Scott (952pm) you are right on target.

Douglas Keachie

Please list all of the arrests, etc., that have occurred at the GV/NC OWS protests. I believe the number ZERO. That is the OWS I am associated with.

Douglas Keachie

But you will vote for Romney if Obama runs, and especially if Gingrich or Santorum or Palin or Bachman is in the number two slot.

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I will not vote for Romney for anything. I held my nose and voted for Bush jr for re-election and it was a bitter disappointment. I will no longer vote for the lesser of evils. The R establishment likes to say that this will get Obama re-elected. Too bad. If that's what the country wants, that's what it will get. I think it's the OWS crowd that will cave and vote for Obama, despite their rhetoric.

Todd Juvinall

I will vote for any Republican and I consider any of them better than the present occupant. I voted for Romney last time and if he is the nominee I will do so again. We must retain the house and gain the Senate. If we have a majority there we will see policies change and I am confident Romney would support them. No person is perfect and we need to keep that in mind.

Regarding the ost, we get to see Keachie support any prospect of similarity to make a bogus moral equivalency between the two movements. The OWS is strictly a mob though and that is the real difference. The TPP seems to be pursuing a return to sanity while the OWS is insane, Never the two too meet.

Paul does his standard anti-any Republican screeds and once again shows us mo matter who our candidates are, he will trash them and vote for the lefty.

Douglas Keachie

Regarding concealed weapon arrest. Depending on how you define that, one of the leaders of the Tea Party Patriots has added his Glock to the scrap metal division of New York City. That does sound rather arresting to me, so TP gets a "YES!" for that.

Well, Scott, you seem to be following the pattern of Michael Allen Weiner, AKA, Michael Savage, who spent 8 months prior to Bush's election bashing him, and then on the eve the first day in October, went "Eeeeeek a Gore!" and flip flopped.

Russ Steele

Douglas

You were looking for a Tea Party Democrat. HERE is one that will destroy your Tea Party stereotyping.

I liked his operation counteract, write in anyone but Obama. Enjoy!

Douglas Keachie

And in ocunterpoint to Russ's Blue Dogs, I submit the most extreme lefty upbring and laater life orientation you could imagine, coupled in with innovative engineering, flying, etc, and helping to win WWII.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_and_Sigurd_Varian

Barry Pruett

While I appreciate the list, Americans need to debate issue on which we disagree and fix issues upon which we clearly agree. TPP and OWS cross paths on one distinct issue - no more bailouts. If a something is too big to fail, then it is too big. On this issue (which is a rather large issue), we could and should work hand in hand.

George Rebane

BarryP 1104am - I wasn't aware that the OWS promoted a broad-based 'no more bailouts' policy. My understanding is that they apply it only to the corporate world, but promote the financial equivalent of bailouts to favored classes of individuals, certain NGOs, unions (especially public service), and so on. The OWS is one of more virulent left factions that believes in the famous French fallacy of 'liberte, egalite, fraternite', having no clue that a government's attempt to impose these by force destroys all three.

Paul Emery

Todd

I would give serious thought to voting for Ron Paul if he was the Repub candidate but of course that will never happen because the Republican establishment, controlled by special money interests, won't allow it.

I'm inclined to vote against Republicrats this time around. I'm leaning towards Gary Johnson, Libertarian former Governor of New Mexico http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/front or Rocky Anderson, former Mayor of Salt Lake City running on the Justice Party http://www.voterocky.org/ They have different views but in my opinion are men of integrity and are independent of special interest control.

Imagine the change that would come if we just had the courage to vote anything but Democrat or Republican next time around? All it would take is just one cycle to dump the Republicrats and build a new government based on integrity and independence and would truly support the Constitution and the people of our nation. Just one vote, one time would do it. Amazing how simple it would be.

billy T

Good news!! Only 11 people were arrested at Occupy DC rally and only 4 (only four) were arrested for assault on police officers. One gentle sympathizer showed his passion by hitting a police officer in the face with a brick. Last night the Occupy Oakland crowd of 100 (that's one hundred humans) went peacefully, compared to 2 weeks ago when over 400 were arrested. I detect a trend pointing to the OWS groundswell cleaning up their act. Soon they won't even make the news. They might even act like adults in civil society in a nation ruled by laws. Seems after Obama got elected. the media was full of interesting commentaries that the Republican Party was destined to become a small regional party (i.e., white NASCAR loving beer bellied rednecks from the Deep South, aka racists). It will take the Republican Party 20 years to recover from the dust bin of history. But, this astro-turf Taxed Enough Already movement reared its ugly head and instead of the Recovery Tour in the late Spring of 2009, we got the Town Hall Summer. Comparing hitting a cop in the face with a brick at an Occupy Protest to a Tea Party member arrested for a class 3 misdemeanor away from a Tea Party function is like comparing...er....comparing an OWS demonstration to a Tea Party rally. http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/story/2012-02-05/occupy-dc/52973316/1

George Rebane

billyT 0100pm - you are priceless!

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Doug - In the last general I voted for Alan Keyes. I knew good and well what Obama was but I voted for the person that I thought was best to be the president. I could have voted as you suggested. Just vote for the non-Obama that has the best opportunity to win.
Remember, it was the OWS 99% that elected Obama and will re-elect him.

Paul Emery

Well done Scott. I'm a newcomer to the anyone but a Republicrat movement. Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil and that is what got us to where we are today.

Todd "I'll vote for any Republican..." Juvinall is the perfect chump for the ruling class that depends on well controlled drones to deliver the leadership necessary to perpetuate their control.

Todd Juvinall

PaulE, "I'll vote for any loser in perpetuity" is the perfect chump for a obsolete belief system. When the dust settles I'll at least have worked for a cause and helped elect someone with a similar philosophy. PaulE will return to the radio kiosk as a loser once again. I still have not been able to see clearly the PaulE automaton (since no human can meet his criteria) candidate he can input to with his software. I'd say he is an Obama man. That is the closest human to PaulE's plastic thinking. Now back to the Superbowl!

Douglas Keachie

TV news, fair and balanced, at least for the "and I believe it, and that's it" crowd:

Fox_News_Covers_Jesus_on_the_Cross

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So Keachie damns FOX news by displaying a fabricated story. Well done! Gee, could you provide any ACTUAL false reporting of the news by FOX? I watch many different news sources and FOX is clearly ahead of all the others by what they include as well as the accuracy of their reporting. Perfect? No, just a lot better. The libs don't like FOX because they run stories the lame stream is sitting on or just unaware of. FOX can be just as clueless sometimes as the lame stream when reporting some events. You have to have all of the news sources you can to try to ascertain the truth.

Paul Emery

Todd

I don't think voting Libertarian or Justice Party or for other independent candidates is at all obsolete and I'm sure my colleagues of that persuasion will be offended by your desperate and empty response to my conviction that neither the Republicans or Democrats deserve to maintain their monopoly of power in this country.

In fact while most Tea Party activists tend to vote Republican many are searching for alternatives because they also agree that continuing on this path is hopeless.

What is the "cause " of the Republican or Democratic Party other than to maintain the ruling class that uses them as a vehicle for influence? Show me where there is a significance difference in the Bush or Obama administrations other than leaning slightly to the left or right. They both supported bailouts and maintained illegal wars at taxpayer expense and mushroomed the National Debt. Do you really think Romney is the answer?

Michael Kesti

I sincerely encourage you to vote for an independent candidate for POTUS next November, Paul, just as I have for the previous five such elections.

Paul Emery

Yes Michael

Imagine the uproar if a large majority did that.

Paul Emery

and welcome to the Todd Juvinall loser club

Douglas Keachie

The problem with the whole political scheme is that basically, no matter what you do, even if your guy wins, the rest of the country can and will slow down much progress being made. So kick back and let your, "If I ran the Zoo," fantasies run wild.

President _ Bill Moyers
Veep Bill Maher
Sec of Health and Human Services Chris Rock
Department of Defense Clint Eastwood
Dept of Agriculture Willie Nelson
Dept of Homeland Security Paladin
Dept of Commerce Jeff Bezos
Department of Transportation Any astronaut. They have the proper global perspective
Secretary of the Treasury Toss up Larry Ellison or Warren Buffet 2 very different but very effective outlooks
Head of ABC, Jimmi Buffet
Head of FBI, Adrian Lamo
Department of Education George Lucas
Dept of Energy, the incumbent, Dr. Steven Chu
Why is there no Department of Science? It could be a very simple Department. Projects that have been peer reviewed as viable are all put into a glass bowl as tags. Tags are drawn until the budge run out. I don't think you could accuse the governmemt of screwing that simple a process up.
NASA, whoever has a fire in their belly to beat the Chinese to Mars, this is going to be far worse than Sputnik.


Todd Juvinall

PaulE, I get to win with my candidates and philosophy while you are attached to a 100% losing philosophy and set of candidates in every election. I would suggest you are simply a frustrated voter who is stuck in a loser rut with no hope. You then lash out at we who kick you to the sidelines, politically speaking, in every race.

Instead of being the whiner you appear to be, why don't you set aside you sniping and get into the fray? When one looks at Britain, they have a gazillion political party's yet two and possible three (liberals in a small way) are the one's the English put into power. Been that way for hundreds of years.

The world belongs to those that show up and vote. With a 30-35% turnout I suspect those you love to hate will be in power in perpetuity.

So get off you butt, organize a movement to reflect your politics and go for it. Oh, too much trouble eh? Easier to sit on the sidelines and snipe at the doers?

I must say you are certainly all about complaining and never doing. You are the epitome of a political loser.

Douglas Keachie

Scott, you can lie by omission and choices of stories to cover. Sex deviant teachers, scream it from the rafters! Same thing and others just as bad in corporate American, nary a peep. Corporate American wants to replace lower graDE PUBLIC SCHOOLS, AND OPEN THE DOORS WIDE AT the once public universities, to maintain control, and save money, all done under the guise of, "it's the teachers/unions/administrators fault," when in fact it is the homelife provided by the parent(s) or guardians who subsist on the SALARIES the corporations are willing to pay, or the wlefare they will allow, which is as little as possible.

Douglas Keachie

Attitudes are also shaped by corporate America trying to get everyone to feel inadequate unless they own an XYZ and they hammer that notion into the noggins of parents and kids day and night. No wonder the cultural values brought from abroad are stronger. They haven't had enough time yet to be totally chopped away. Thanks for the self fullfilling prophesies, corp America!

George Rebane

I haven't yet read Andrew Rosen's change.edu, but it appears to suggest some very workable next steps for the curing of our approach to higher education.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204879004577110970031199712.html

Paul Emery

It's far easier to do what you do and vote straight party without any considerations for the consequence of your vote. The fact is we'll both be losers this fall, you with Romney and me with a third party choice.

Gregory

Paul, assuming one has chosen a party that is aligned with their political views, voting a straight party ticket isn't a bad idea.

The idiot or crook who managed to be on the ballot for your party, for whatever the office, will cooperate with the good guys your party has in office and your desired outcomes will generally be the goal. The genius saint from the party that is the compass pointing south will almost always be heading in the wrong direction.

I expect the Republicans on the ballot are always preferable for Todd over the Dems, Greens, P&F or even Libertarian. So Todd is being rational. Imagine that.

Paul Emery

The bottom line is Todd Juvinall would rather support a party controlled by special interest money than an independent that would answer to the people first. I guess that makes him a winner and all the other "anyone but Republicrats" losers.

There are only two independents in Congress one of them Liberman who sleeps with both sides.

Gregory

It isn't a special interest if it's your interest.

Face it, he's a conservative, the Republican Party's core is conservatives and if he's voting Republican, he really is supporting the party that answers to *his* people.

Dems, P&F, Green... them parties push the special interests Republicans dislike.

Really, Paul, I'm not writing anything that should be news to you.

Todd Juvinall

PaulE reflects a political loser in our country and there is nothing anyone can do to help the poor fellow. When you constantly bash your head against the wall and expect the wall to fall over you must have a severe complex of some sort. I have been a lifelong R and have thrown my hat in the ring a few times to try and make a difference. Maybe I have, maybe I haven't, depends on which side you may be on. But, at the end of the day I was able to achieve a few things for the citizens and I have no regrets. PaulE is unable to say he has accomplished anything except maybe perfecting the negatory. No, I would rather win a few things important to me rather than none.

Ironic isn't it that the PaulE's of the world are always screaming "bi-partisan" is the way things should be yet he and his ilk are the most partisan of all.

Douglas Keachie

Scott, are you aware of Fox's DNA?

http://tarpley.net/2010/09/30/in-1932-fox-helped-make-propaganda-films-for-hitler/

George Rebane

DougK 912am - apparently you are aware of "Fox's DNA". Pray tell what conclusions do you draw from that contractual arrangement by a corporation 80 years removed from currency?

Douglas Keachie

Hey George, more "sand in the air." It's making the rounds on Leftyish Facebook circles.

Gregory

Let's shut down Planned Parenthood: through founder Margaret Sanger, it's direct DNA is eugenics (they've killed more black babies than the Klan or the Nazis ever dreamed of) and rampant promiscuity... not just the clientele... Sanger was, ummm, a liberated bedhopper long before it became socially acceptable in some circles.

The nutcase Keachie is relying on sounds a lot like Keachie; a LaRouchie conspiracy theorist given to Brownian Logic. If he can imagine it and it fits his worldview, it must be true.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webster_Tarpley

Douglas Keachie

I feel very old all the sudden. Look where social sciences has gone now. A live stream interactive cloud of what people reading The Economist as looking at now.

http://www.economist.com/conversation-cloud?days=1

When you realize that Google now knows your geographic range (that pesky GPS Droid Phone software attachment), topics that interest you (I keep getting ads for hearing aids, I already bought that last month!) based on your searches, and God knows what else, you really feel cornered. Must get to Linux and get Google off the damn Droid!

Douglas Keachie

"The nutcase Keachie is relying on sounds a lot like Keachie;"

I think Greg meant to say, "The nutcase Keachie is relying on sounds a lot like Tarpley;"

If Tarpley was onto anything, don't you think he would have been dead long ago? Entertainment for some, I suppose, maybe the likes of Greg, but I'd never heard of him before, and no, I don't think the WTC came down with explosives concealed ahead of time.

I did conceive of an anti-terrorist device for the Atlanta games. Garbage cans, with very solid sides, and a loosely attached bottom. If someone suspects a package, can is upended and placed over package, briefcase, etc., until bomb squad can check it out. Hope is to reduce schrapnel, by directing forces upwards. Greg may now explain why this could never, ever, possibly work.

Garbage cans are ubiquitous at such events.

Gregory

No Keach, I wrote what I meant to write. Your "logic" is quite comparable to Tarpley's.

Douglas Keachie

Your logic is faulty Greg. You have defamed me by saying I am relying on Tarpley. I'd never even heard of him. So, you lied. What else is new?

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Gregory

Never said you relied on Tarpley, Keach, just that you share reasoning styles, not that the style is either reasoned or logical.

You're the one who posted the link to his blog, Keach.

Douglas Keachie

"The nutcase Keachie is relying on sounds a lot like Keachie" ~ Greg ~

Just what part of "is relying on" am I missing?

Based on the link Greg provided, one would logically conclude the nutcase referenced is Tarpley. Greg, if it is NOT Tarpley, then what nutcase ARE you referencing? Yourself? That's the only other person in the room here.

Gregory

You were relying on him to make a point, Keach. Why else did you post it?

Douglas Keachie

Which post directly references Tarpley, as the main author. Is he mentioned in passing somewhere? You exhumed him as a Zombie strawman, which graveyard, citing chapter and verse, please.

Douglas Keachie

Oh, the one I made fun of, as "more sand in the air," by the Leftys? I thought it would amuse George, and I would assume both of you knew enough lawyers to have come across the "sand in the air" reference.

I once was flown down to LA to film a lady baking a cake, in patent dispute over the design of a cake pan. I did the lady and the cake justice, was well paid, but I oculdn't asking as the lawyer, Jerry Offstein, gave me the check, "do you really think the film will help your case?" He said, "oh yes, definitely! Even if it doesn't directly help the decision, it is more sand in the air." Puzzled I asked for an explanation. He said, anything that keep the other side busy not attending to the case, like the film, can be considered, "sand in the air," if nothing else.

In a sense, there's a bit of that going on now, even here, as we type....

Paul Emery

Todd

If I was only looking for a winner I'd be supporting Obama who should win easily against any Repub offering. I am voting independent to send a message that we truly need a change in this country and that the Republicrats should be fired and replaced by the American people.

George Rebane

PaulE 758pm - Who are "the American people" who will replace the Republicrats? Are the latter not Americans? I think you have a deeper answer up your sleeve, and I'm just probing for it.

Todd Juvinall

PaulE, so you think your vote is sending a message eh? If that isn't a arrogant statement. And who is receiving your message of defeat? I guess never having to be responsible for anything in policy for the country is the new normal eh? Squish squish. Amazing.

Gregory

Keach, you really are a mondo zombie on this one. Your "Fox DNA" piece was:

"In 1932, Fox Helped Make Propaganda Films for Hitler"

by (drumroll, please)

Webster G. Tarpley, Ph.D.
TARPLEY.net

You *really* don't read the crap you link, do you?

Paul Emery

Sorry George for my confusing rhetoric. What I meant to say is that the American people should fire and replace the Rpublicrats.

Todd

Your cynicism for the future of our country is apparent. There are actually free thinking independents that contribute to this blog that I prefer to converse with.

Douglas Keachie

Dear Greg, You still don't get it. When I come across something as far out as this, even with just a cursory glance, and see a bunch of folks chasing their tails over it, I may grab t and bring it here just to get a rise out of you. Some of the folks whom I agree with about some things, often go off the deep end on other things. I have nice friends who are so vegetarian they worry about the bacteria they kill as they eat. I have friends who are militant atheists and militant agnostics, who feel it is criminal that everyone else does not believe as they do. So it is on Facebook. When it is crap, no deep reading, no attention to detail, just seeing the headline tripped the wire for me, I knew you would love it, and you do.

Gregory

Yes, keach, I've known for a long time you're a blog troll and are just trying to play people.

You chose to post a link to a LaRouchie conspiracy kook in order to link Fox News to the '30's Nazi Party. Then you called me a liar when I pointed out you were relying on a LaRouchie conspiracy kook to make your point.

What a putz. When I checked just now, Keachie had 7 of the 10 recent comments; George, this isn't healthy.

Douglas Keachie

Gregory Goodknight, Board Certified Blog MD or wannabe warden, fail!

Gregory

"Your logic is faulty Greg. You have defamed me by saying I am relying on Tarpley. I'd never even heard of him. So, you lied. What else is new?"

"Which post directly references Tarpley, as the main author. Is he mentioned in passing somewhere? You exhumed him as a Zombie strawman, which graveyard, citing chapter and verse, please."

One thing is clear: Doug Keachie has no shame despite having much to be ashamed of.

Gregory

And bringing that back into the post at the head of this thread, the "Occupy" movement has much to be ashamed of but, unfortunately, has a hard time even admitting there is a major problem in its ranks.

George Rebane

ToddJ 220pm - Todd, I can't enter comments under anyone's name, only mine. (Can you imagine the brouhaha if that could be done?) I can either delete a comment, edit its content, of copy and post it myself stating that it came from you.

Todd Juvinall

This is Facebook. I just have to figure this out.

Douglas Keachie

When these people,

http://www.alternet.org/story/153998/Koch_Brothers_Convene_Super-Secret_Billionaires%27_Meeting_for_2012_Elections/

develop a sense of shame for conspiring to buy the elections, I might take your concept into consideration, Greg.

George Rebane

DougK 737pm - "...shame for conspiring to buy elections" My, my Doug, are they really doing anything conspiritorial or illegal? The unions and rich liberals supporting Obama outspent McCain almost two to one in 2008. Is this gathering something like the ongoing unannounced White House visits of Andy Stern and Richard Trumka over the term of this administration? Don't know what to make of it all.

Paul Emery

Again

That's why we have throw them all out. It would only take one election cycle. Imagine that! What is it that makes people feel that only the Republicrats are qualified to run the country

Gregory

Keachie's author of choice this time is the guy, Lee Fang, who, two years ago fabricated a story charging, without any facts behind it, that the Chamber of Commerce was taking foreign money to run political ads.

Keachie's kind of blogger.

George Rebane

PaulE 926pm - How would such soft revolution be launched to make it work in one election cycle?

Douglas Keachie

"PaulE 926pm - How would such soft revolution be launched to make it work in one election cycle?"

Simple, nobody is allowed to be an incumbent.

AND,

all computer files and emails, contact lists, etc., must be left behind, intact, not scrambled, for use by the next person in office, and positions on committees are drawn from a hat. Positions may be bartered for three weeks after the drawing. Then work begins anew.

AND,

Visiting (lobbying) times with members of Congress will be put into a nation wide lotto, and those who win can barter their time slots on a market that would be across between eBay and the stock markets. Every minute, so purchased, would have to be accounted for and recorded on video with sound and available online. No other contacts between the general public/corporations and the Congressperson would be allowed.

in short, Open Government

Douglas Keachie

The nationwide lotto issues for free, one entry to each voter who voted in the last Two national elections. Odds are the sloths would not see the future value, and wouldn't sign up for one, if the reward couldn't possibly show up for at least two years.

Paul Emery

George

It's all about individual responsibly. Any reasonable person should conclude that the two party system is and will continue to be a total failure and needs to be replaced. As that evolution becomes evident imagine the variety of alternatives that would be available and they would be out of the reach of special interest money.

Soft revolution - I like that. It just takes millions making that choice. To quote Thomas Jefferson “Every generation needs a new revolution.”

George Rebane

PaulE 1001am - you're re-arguing the reasons for such a soft revolution. I asked for your recommended means of accomplishing it.

DougK in his 955am has given such a prescription. Although, I'm afraid that today's Americans would not stand for it.

Douglas Keachie

The average American would probably jump at my 9:55, as "cool" and "time for a change from crapola.". The powers that currently be will do everything possible to stomp out the concept before it ever gains traction.

Paul Emery


In a way it's already happening with the dramatic rise in independent voters. First of all they need to make themselves unavailable to the Republicrats and go their separate ways. Currently around 30% of the electorate is independent although many swim home to the Republicrats during election time beaching in the most comfortable shore. This election may kick it off with an unpopular Romney losing to a less unpopular Obama.

It would probably take a celebrity driven media techno drive to amplify the concept. I believe the idea could catch fire and turn the country around in short order.

George Rebane

Here's an initiative already in the works to get past the Republicrats. It's called 'Americans Elect'. More here
http://www.americanselect.org/

Paul Emery

Thanks George

I'll check it out

Gregory

Doesn't matter what you think Americans would "jump at". We have a Constitution and any reform must be within that framework.

I doubt americanselect.org will ever get enough traction to get ballot status in any state for any contest and it's the states who conduct the selection of Electoral College electors. As far as I know the last 3rd party to get real presidential traction was the Republican Party under Lincoln, somehow I don't see this website rising to that level.

Besides, americanselect's favorite candidate at the moment is Ron Paul, and while I admire the choice I don't think americanselect is a path to getting Paul elected to national office.

Douglas Keachie

Americaselect has competition, http://www.facebook.com/GOOOH?sk=wall&filter=1 and I would not be surprised to see what is nothing, become something, So that's two groups that weren't around until recently, with similar aims. Nothing to something does happen, otherwise history would be very boring.

Douglas Keachie

For those that believe Occupy Oakland is a unified group hell bent on destruction, I'd strongly suggest reading the discussion or at least parts of it, going on here:

http://oaklandradicals.wordpress.com/2012/02/13/openletter/#comment-17

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