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11 May 2012


Russ Steele

All those graduating without a job are just more cannon fodder for the Occupy Movement!

Douglas Keachie

I recall algebra as starting in 9th grade, in Berkeley, when I took it in 1958. The a year of Geometry, a year of Trig and solid geometry, came after a second year of algebra. I think calculus was offered as independent study by the math dept. That was back when BHS competed with Lowell as best school in the Bay Area, and our chess team whipped them. Of course we had a couple of Russians...

Douglas Keachie

What worries me the most about this future in which you are an engineer/scientist/chemist etc., or die, financially, is that no matter how cute the product, no matter how well made, if 99% of your potential customers are flat arsed unemployed and broke, and you won't be able to sell enough to keep the game going. 93,000 Californians will have exhausted the last of their unemployment benefits this week. Can we build jails fast enough for those who would steal to eat?


Yes, Algebra in the 9th grade was standard before AP Calculus got pushed into the high school curriculum, but the prealgebra classes were also more demanding. I remember a lot of geometry, logic and general math topics (like calculation of square roots) in the 7th and 8th grades. Colleges wanted to teach elementary calculus themselves; I remember receiving a book to study the rules of integration and differentiation the summer before my freshman year. They promised they'd teach the theory properly, but I'd need to be able to turn the crank in my science classes before the theory was covered. So learn how to do it and trust it will all work out. It did. AP Calculus does what that little book did and not much more.

In the current defacto national curriculum, if you aren't taking Algebra and succeeding in the 8th grade, you probably will not be ready to attend a UC and graduate in 4 years in a science or math major.

Douglas Keachie

I suspect that we woud all do well to watch this show. It reveals, among other things, that the foriegn programmers coming in, had to stay with their sponsoring company for the full three years. How free markety is that? They can't give two weeks notice and go:


George Rebane

DougK 759am - "... How free markety is that? ..." I believe it's called a contract, entered into freely by the contracting parties. Such contracts are part and parcel of free markets. Spread the word.

Douglas Keachie

So union contracts are included too?


Taxes and regulation are too high to convince producers to produce (take risks with their time, talents, treasures) while hand out are too accessible... this phenomenon crosses all generations from the 'me generation' to your generation.

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