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19 July 2012

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Russ Steele

George,

I do not think you missed anything!

Russ Steele

Do not belive your lying eyes, Obama claims he never said "people who built business didn't do it on their own"

"OK folks, if you have not been offended enough by Barack Obama’s outright lies, then this one will certainly do it. After claiming that people who built businesses didn’t do it on their own, Team Obama has come out with a new ad saying that he didn’t say that.

The ad comes up with Mitt Romney reading a direct quote from Barack Obama, then the ad cuts to a snide text remark, “The only problem? That’s not what he (Obama) said.”
http://freedomoutpost.com/2012/07/unbelieveable-ad-claims-obama-never-said-you-didnt-build-that/#ixzz217Y4cefz

George Rebane

Russ 613pm - It boggles the mind that Team Obama is now going on the air claiming that Obama was quoted out of context. Fox News plays the entire unedited sequence that leads up to and follows his 'you didn't build that' statement. You have to be a functional idiot not to understand the true intent of the man's words. But then again, take a look at his core constituency.

With some dark humor, one notes that according to Obama it was the roads, bridges, and teachers who did all the business building in the country - i.e. it was the govenment.

THEMIKEYMCD

Nailed it! = "Barack Hussein Obama now owns the title of being the most inexperienced, ineffective, secretive, ideological, and divisive leader America has had in the last hundred years, perhaps ever."

With an ideology like his we can be grateful of his ineptitude :).

Account Deleted

It's easy to zero in on Obama as he is the flag bearer for the new post-modern, post America-as world-power era. I'm looking at the people that surround us. The people that think it's right that the fed govt should make everything all even Steven and control private industry. Can you imagine Truman or even Kennedy issuing all of Obama's edicts? We are in a new era. In California, the govt is completely out of control. Passing budgets that are 'balanced' only on the slim pretext of a desired result in an election 5 months later - and even then only if magical financial events materialize. Creating secret corporations in another state with the intent of shrouding multi-billion dollar decision making from the tax payers. Authorizing the expenditure of bond money for purposes emphatically not intended by the voters who passed the bond measure to begin with. Being told that mandatory taxes are 'voluntary' and thereby not taxes. The law of the jungle is at hand. The dictatorship of the masses arises and we all will suffer. Envy, fear and graft are already becoming the new norm and the big-city corrupt politics is spreading out over our country. What of the honest citizen? One pounding financial blow after another has left the volk reeling with uncertainty and fear. They are now only pawns in the power struggle as they scrabble for crumbs that are thrown out by the central govt. As in Europe, even those crumbs will soon lessen and be of little value in obtaining real goods necessary for a comfortable middle class life.

billy T

If one replays the eurphoric entusiasm of Candidate Obama's speeches and crowds, one has to wonder what went wrong for the man. Most people dismissed that he was rated the number one liberal in the Senate. Most people dismissed Obama sitting in Rev. Wright's Black Theogoly pew for 20 years soaking up the hate coming from the pulpit. You can dismiss Bill Ayers and Van Jones. I did like his promises to pour line by line over any bill and crossing out any waste or pork. I liked the idea of posting every bill on the internet for 7 days before he signs anything. I liked his promises to have no lobbyists in the White House or his administration. Sounded great. I can overlook his plan to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term. Things come up and he did not know the way things work. What bothers me is the administration procesuting whistle blowers instead of protecting them. I am irked by the way the Freedom on Information Act is being trampled on. I am disturbed by the secrecry of his past. All we know is what he wrote in his books. When confronted by what he said about his former girlfriends in his books, he said those stories were not accurate or he made it up. Obama breezed through life and had every thing handed him on a platter. It was too easy. Now he is in a position where results matter and he keeps trying proven failed methods and discards historically proven methods that work. The way he is so delighted and joyful when he goes off prompter and speaks from his heart shows his true colors. I have heard the government provides roads and bridges speech before from sock puppets on now retired blogs. I do know the most influenctial male in his life was his grandfather who railed non stop about the evil Colonialists. I do know he is from the school of thought that America is wrong and bad. He treats tin horn dictators as equals to democracies. He believes in having the UN having the ultimate power on this globe. He sees the private sector as a necessary evil to feed the beast until the State nationalizes everything. He cannot seperate small and medium sized businesses from multi-national Mega Corporations in his prejudiced and bigoted world view and our economy. True colors? From sitting on his grandpa's lap, to sitting in Rev Wright's church, to working with Acorn, he has gravitied his entire life to the most wack job ideas of the most militant Ocuupy Wall Street misfits. True Colors? You bet. Good thing only 20% of the population believe the way he does. Clinton was a pragmatic man. Obama is an idealogue, which one cannot reason with facts.

Russ Steele

I hear crickets. Where are the lefty Obama defenders?

Michael Anderson

Russ wrote: "I hear crickets. Where are the lefty Obama defenders? Posted by: Russ Steele | 20 July 2012 at 11:28 AM"

Those cricket sounds? Actually hounding laughter (with the sound turned down to 1). Listen just a little bit closer...(-;

billy T

Russ, the rhythmic sound you hear may not be crickets. It might be the sounds of devotees of our President oohing and aahing over Obama's lifelong achievement award he worked laboriously and tirelessly for: The Nobel Peace Prize. Wonder what took Oslo so long to recognize his greatness.

Steven Frisch

I think MIchael has it right....it is the sound of irrelevance.

George Rebane

RussS 1128am - I do believe you are right; it is the sound of irrelevant crickets. At this point they all take the nod from the top and follow their leader - i.e. change the subject.

[For the new/irregular reader: Mr Steven Frisch is the CEO of the Sierra Business Council, a liberal grant and government funded NGO that promotes progressive causes in California. Mr Frisch is also the unrepentant and voluble promoter of AB32, now being implemented by the rogue California Air Resources Board which is causing economic devastation across California.]

Todd Juvinall

Frisch is a good example of a liberal storm trooper. Absolute obedience to the cause. Maybe he should go to work at State Parks?

TomKenworth

"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business—you didn’t build that {"that system", most clear headed individuals}{"that business", most bumbly-headed opportunistic literalists}. Somebody else made that{ditto} happen. The internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the internet so that all the companies could make money off the internet.

The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together." ~Barack Obama, President of the United States~

BTW, McCain thought Palin was a better choice than Romney!

George Rebane

TomKenworth 1003am - Thank you again for displaying that progressive forte of dismissing the clear meaning of the word, and substituting for it the prophylactic of politically correct intent.

When the man said, "If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.", this "bumbly-headed opportunistic literalist" understood the "that" which I didn't build to be the referent to the "business" that Obama was talking about in the sentence. It takes a keen intellect indeed to ferret out that the mystery referent of the following two 'thats' suddenly switched to "the system". Perhaps, the President should simplify his rhetoric so that simpletons like the rest of us (save his clever acolytes) can also follow his lofty observations.

billy T

Tommie, glad you are back and I hope you have a speedy recovery from the broken thinker surgery. Missed your eloguant prose. Yep, if it were not for employeed taxpayers and thriving businesses paying the piper, government would not have a plug nickel to built roads and bridges and schools or even the DOS internet. Yes, having roads helped Henry Ford. Bill Gates got help from his mama by allowing him to use the family garage (and ripping off the PC concept from Xerox). Eli Whitney got help from furtile land so he could do his cotton gin contraption. Heck, I even got help from my 10th grade English teacher who taught me the mysterious ways of a maiden. Actually, it was double help cause I got an A in the class. Government's primary role is to protect our borders and us. The secondary role is to foster a climate where the industrious and entruperners can excell and rise above close enough for government work. Obama's true colors emerged in his speech. Did you see the eurphoric glee in his face, the way his shoulders did the Obama dance? He was in hog's heaven. Obama thinks it takes a government to raise a business. That is why most of the stimulus went to state governments who in turned hired government workers and paid Medicaid bills. What a waste. The other portion went to government favorites like Solyndra. Don't need no stinkin business models. Yep, without businesses government could not even keep the lights on. Only government would pay 9 bucks for a muffin and not think twice about it. Obama learned everything he knows about business and how our economy works from ACORN. Just make some bank the straw man, shake them down, make them write sub prime mortages to liars and then turn around and blame the lenders for foreclosing on those that can't rub two nickels together. ACORN shook down a bunch of businesses from paint manufactures to retailers. Its his true colors. When the beggar's cup gets low, try shame, blame and legal exhortion. Rather than foster a climate to create jobs, Obama focuses on extending unemployment benefits and increasing the food stamp rolls. That takes a lot of energy between campaign stumps.

Steven Frisch

Funny that George insists on identifying me by my employer, even though I have stated here that I post as an individual. I am wondering if everyone else would be enough to list their employers names. Especially since Todd calls people Storm Troopers.

Perhaps if you actually read what President Obama actually said, instead of acting like Joseph Goebbels (reference warranted since George did not remove the Storm Trooper reference), you would see that he was referring to the fact that uccess in the good old USA is a combination of individual initiative and the support of community institutions, which any thinking person knows to be true.

The real problem here is that everything in the universe of George and minions is black and white, which is the definition of extremism.

TomKenworth

"In a fight between a clever and beguiling weasel and an inept hare in the headlights, the weasel wins."

Wrong, George, they both get run over by the semi with the headlights.

billy T

Tommie and Obama did made a couple of good points. First, the internet was devoloped by Government, not Al Gore as widely espoused. To be more precise, the internet was invented by the Defense Department, an agency of Government that gives Obama a woody everytime he stashes their budget. Forget the fiscal cliff, he has already slashed it 400 billion this fiscal year. Think of all the wonderful things our space program has developed. Plastic comes to mind. Oppps, I forgot. Obama has outsourced our space station to Euroland. Wonder why he directed NASA's top dog to find ways to make Muslums feel good about themselves. Low self esteem is a bad thing and there ain't too many Muslum astronaunt types if you exclude the ones launched into orbit wearing suicide vests. Cut NASA and spend money on Ali Babba's low self esteem so the man on the street in Bagdad won't go around beating himself with chains. What a waste of Yankee Dollars. The Muslums already have the crescent moon on their flag. What in the Sam Hill more to they want? True colors bleeding through.

Gregory

Stephen Frisch writes, "George insists on identifying me by my employer, even though I have stated here that I post as an individual."

Sorry, "Statist" Steve, you don't get to pretend that, as President and CEO of the so-called Sierra Business Council, you don't personify your "employer".

Steve Jobs couldn't be quoted while demanding his relationship to Apple be ignored. Nor could Lee Iacocca escape his relationship to Chrysler (now a division of Italy's FIAT as a result of the federal reorganisation of the auto industry). Granted the likes of Jobs, Iacocca, Gates and other celebrated CEOs actually presided over substantial companies that created wealth, rather than dissipating it, but the principle remains.

Steven Frisch

Greg, the point I am making is that George is attempting to moderate my individual free speech by insisting on identifying me by my employer. That is a typical McCarthtyite tactic, and should be named as such. The readers can be assured that when I am representing the views of my employer I will say so.

Who do you work for Greg? Do you still work? Do you collect Social Security? When you speak here are you representing the views of your employer? Are you a private contractor? Are you representing the views of your clients?

Rest assured I am both tough enough to speak my mind, and independent enough not to be intimidated by attacks on the organization I work for, partly at least because those attacks just look ridiculous when coming from the likes of George, Russ, you and Todd.

Greg, if I were you I would be embarrassed by being so closely associated with this crew of popagandists, conspiracy theorists, mushy thinkers, and in the case of Todd, just flat out inferior intellects.

Todd Juvinall

There is no free speech rights on a blog owned by a private individual..

billy T

Mr. Juvinall: well spoken by someone who possesses a "flat out inferior intellect". lol. Luckily I am beneanth contempt so I arrows are not slung my way. It appears your arrow slinger is akin to Senator Ted Kennedy who had half a mind to get into politics.

Steven Frisch

Todd, I did not identify it as a right here; you assumed I meant that.

George Rebane

SteveF 146pm - as I have made clear before in these pages, you work for an ideologically propagandist organization which in my view is one of the reprehensible but necessary sides of a free society. Your voice, as it is legitimately expressed and accurately cited, should be heard by us all. Gregory correctly revisits the point that I and others have long expressed on RR - as long as you promote the same causes you are the voice of SBC, whether identifying yourself as such or not.

This is something that you should own up to. When executives of an ideologically crisp organization have views that are disparate, as professionals they curb their free speech rights in deference to the hand that feeds them, or they resign. You are claiming a different Janus-like standard which we all too well understand that comes with your territory.

Only the intellectually disadvantaged are unable to make the connection between your speaking your 'independent mind' and the labors of your workaday world.

Gregory

"Greg, the point I am making is that George is attempting to moderate my individual free speech by insisting on identifying me by my employer."

Frisch, in a real sense, you are your employer. You even sign the SBC income tax filings.

As far as I can tell, George doesn't deny you any access to this blog, and your right to free speech doesn't include the right to use this or any other private blog. So George isn't denying you anything but the ability to force him, our host, to bend to your will in *his* speech on *his* blog.

George isn't a member of the loony fringe right no matter how much you, Pelline and the loony fringe left want to paint him as such. I know, and he knows, I'm not right wing or conservative, as they tend to be both allergic to freedom to choose in just about everything, but right now it isn't the right wing creating an authoritarian state or bankrupting the country.

What we have here is a failure of Steven Frisch to recognise his own hypocritical irony... he wants to deny George the right to do on his blog what he pleases, within the confines of the law, while asserting as a right the ability of Steven Frisch to post on George's blog.

Todd Juvinall

SteveF. I guess when you said this in a previous post

"Greg, the point I am making is that George is attempting to moderate my individual free speech by insisting on identifying me by my employer."

You simply assumed no one would think you were saying George was denying your free speech rights?

TomKenworth

BillyT, L.W. Goodnight implies that you are sadly mistaken, in your sorry belief that the government invented the internet, if you look at: Perfectly timed:
“Gordon Crovitz: Who Really Invented the Internet?
Contrary to legend, it wasn’t the federal government, and the Internet had nothing to do with maintaining communications during a war.”

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444464304577539063008406518.html?

Greg's posts and hilarious follow-through are over on RL Crabb's blog, at: http://www.rlcrabb.com/general/paying-for-progress/#comment-2397

George Rebane

TomKenworth 634pm - http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2012/07/obama-is-a-self-declared-marxist.html

TomKenworth

Good pruning job, George.

TomKenworth

I think this is the thread in which George said that USA soldiers would never take up arms against USA citizens:

http://offgridsurvival.com/armyreportteapartytakeove/

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