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26 October 2012

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It's not good in Jolly Old England as well.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/9346494/Shadow-schools-ministers-maths-failure-highlights-numeracy-problems.html
Once the thinking skills go, it all goes. Gov Moonbeam is complaining that anti Prop 30 folks are pointing out that this new proposed increase in sales tax will raise the price at the pumps. Some how he doesn't understand this and cries foul. Idiot or liar - in the end, what's the difference?
The only quibble I have with this post, George, is that the impact with the large chunk of frozen H2O has already started. The "mortgage crises meltdown" was the result of fools of all sorts that couldn't wrap their minds around the fact that if their new get-rich-quick scheme was to pay off, then some how zillions of Americans would have to have the where with all to pay over 1/2 a million for an average tract home. Hence, a melt down. Didn't anyone ever hear of the tulip price collapse in Holland? Come to think of it, has Helicopter Ben ever studied German finances of the 20's?

earlcrabb

It's a shame that California is under the thumb of the Democrats. Too bad there isn't a rational party that can compete with them.

Billy T

California has always been the "generous state". What is it with the CHP?. Seems like 90% of them file for disability 2 years before retiring so they collect disability and their pension. A good pension at that coupled with the disability check for life. And most of the retiring offers are pencil pushers.

I ain't picking on the CHP in particular because its the same across the state. The unemployed are getting on disability cause their unemployment made them nut up and they get crazy money. Every person hopping from stress related unemployment to permanent disability is one more person that contributes nothing and it takes a bunch of employed hard working women just to pay for the one disabled, for life!

Social Security will hobble along for awhile. Disability is the biggest threat to funding entitlements. I recall many years ago (1980?) a Mexican National (not a resident or fence hopper) had a son that needed an expense operation at the time (120k). They tried Texas and were refused. They tried Arizona and were refused. They kept trying until California welcomed the lad and gave him the operation at taxpayers' expense. Not slamming the boy, just one more wee example of the CA mentality and the ingrained culture of spending the tax payers' money like drunken Pigmy Eskimos.

What you sow is what you reap. What we have sown is what we weep.

Billy T

I’ve gotten used to the sleight of hand. Yesterday, I reported how California’s misreporting made weekly jobless claims look better than they really were earlier this month. Then there are the mysterious 873,000 jobs that appeared in September, the biggest increase in 30 years- just in time to drive the jobless rate down to 7.8% a month before the election.

I'm no conspiracy theorist, but as Alice said, it is getting “curiouser and curioser” as we delve deeper and deeper into these economic numbers.--Gerri Willis

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Bob - California is under the thumb of irrational voters. The Dems are in power because they appeal to those voters. Folks are free to vote for anyone they want and it looks like, increasingly, they want Dems. What would your dream boat hypothetical "rational" politician advocate? How would that politician "compete" with the Dems? Offer even more free-bees? Raise our taxes even more? Set up more commissions and boards and regulatory agencies? We get what we vote for. Ain't it swell?

Gregory

George, it's worse than you picked up from reading the Calwatch piece. The "Common Core" standards that California is signing onto is an initiative of the current administration's Department of Education. It is a major ceding of curriculum determination to the Feds for the first time in the history of the country.

Bill Evers and Ze'ev Wurman have been known to me for years. Evers, a founder of H.O.L.D. (Honest Open Logical Debate) in Palo Alto was probably the first group formed to push back on Whole Math in the 90's after Palo Alto kid's standardized test scores in computation took a nosedive, and Ze've had a major role (mine was minor) in the group that took over the 'parents with pitchforks' role, MathematicallyCorrect.com

Thanks to MC and math professors such as Jim Milgram at Stanford and Wayne Bishop at CSULA, the California Content Standards were put into place for K-12 textbooks insuring that any text bought with state funding actually covered the material adequately, and it leads to kids performing at grade level to actually being ready for algebra at grade 8. The original fealty to the Federal "Common Core" was supposed to be only after the Fed standards were found to be at least as rigorous as the ones we had in place but that promise didn't last long.

Dumbed down *and* Federalized.

JesusBetterman

"Last year, about two-thirds of students had taken Algebra I by eighth grade. With only about half of them testing as proficient on the state Algebra I test, it’s clear that some had been pushed into Algebra before they were ready, in part because of a state testing policy that dings a school for students who take less than the Algebra I test in eighth grade. The question is how much the pendulum will swing when pre-Algebra becomes the sole standards for eighth grade. Common Core proponents argue that many students will be better prepared for Algebra I in ninth grade, having taken Common Core’s more deliberate pace, stressing math literacy and logic.

Kirst and Bill Honig,a former state superintendent who chairs a commission overseeing the implementation of Common Core for the State Board, say a clear pathway for students ready for Algebra I in eighth grade will be delineated. Though not in the state standards per se, it will be in the curriculum frameworks, a detailed document providing guidance and examples of best practices for teachers that will be completed in the fall of 2013.

SB 1200 “marks a critical step forward in California’s efforts to implement the Common Core Standards and to ensure Algebra is accessible to every student,” Kirst said. For many students, it will likely happen in ninth grade."

~ http://www.edsource.org/today/2012/state-board-gets-authority-to-pare-back-8th-grade-math-standards/20533#.UIt744bYGzQ ~

Seems to me this will bring us full circle back to the 1960's, when only a few kids did Algebra in 8th grade, and most did it in 9th, Geometry in 10th, Algebra II in 11th, and plane and solid trig in 12th, with th hotshots taking a crack at calculus during the last year.

Now if they changed the old coffee and nut things over to various types of grass at varying qualities and quantities, wt\ith the results being priced where(?), they might be able to generate more interest in the topic.

Make sure you are logged in. It does allow you to type away, and if you don't save it before breaking away to log in, it dumps it.

JesusBetterman

Merely having textbooks that plow the road to Algebra I by eighth grade ignores one thing: You also need students who are ready to take that road. A teacher I know currently has one student living under a bridge, and another where the family just vanished, lock stock and barrel. We do not live in a "Leave It to Beaver," world. Employer do not pay enough in part, and the self discipline needed to make do is missing.

JesusBetterman

Looks like Nightline on ABC will reveal the new KKK tonight, but first the Perfect Storm.

earlcrabb

Scott 11pm - I can't speak for any other CA voter than myself. I don't vote for Democrats, and would love to cast my lot with a party that stands for liberty and accountability. Unfortunately, the GOP ain't it. They keep pounding on "it's the economy" but underneath it all is an agenda of repression and ignorance that most voters here can't support. All you have to do is watch them fumbling around with the definition of "rape". Even Doug La Malfa got caught up in it. I'd sooner vote for my cat, but I'll settle for the Libertarians, thank you.

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Thanks for the reply, Bob. I'm not a Reb, so you didn't have to even talk about them. I'm already aware of your fear of their "agenda" of repression and ignorance. Exactly how they are planning to repress you and cause you to become ignorant is not at all clear. I would say that what you have described is what the Dems have actually done in Ca. They control the schools and the schools stink. They pass more and more laws every year that restrict our Constitutional rights. Even you complain that we are under their thumb. That sounds a lot like repression to me. But you want the Libertarians. Great. The problem is that most Kalifornia voters want lots and lots of gov and lots of free stuff from the govt and they want the govt to settle their emotional scores with their enemies. And that is the opposite of the Libertarians. We had 2 years of total control at the fed level by the R's and I don't remember any of the laws concerning rape and abortion being changed as you and others fear. So where is your fear coming from? I have concerns about what the govt (both state and fed) are actually doing. My fears are that the voters will never wake up and reverse course. Will the implementation of AB32 finally get the folks' attention? We'll see.

Todd Juvinall

Scott your comment is spot on. RL and the others voting for Libertarians (mostly R's) cite the repressive spewings (debatable) of a couple of R's to justify their wasted vote. I have no use for any person saying rape is anything but violence against women (or men in these sick times) and I am the last person who wants to control anyone. All my life as a conservative I have fought against repressive laws and the left's desire to control us. So, it appears to me people like RL have a crutch in politics so they can say "hey, I am better than a R" I therefore am voting "other". That ensures the hegemony in California of the repressive jackbooted democrats (450 bucks to register his car) and the uncertainty of leadership by adults from the R party at the fed level.

I read RL's latest screed about R's and D's and how he describes the R's as a sprouting of 1933 Germany. I would ask him to give us all his wisdom and research which says our position on freedom, individual rights and adherence to the US Constitution is anything like 1933 Germany. But, the left always uses that red herring as some some of excuse. Pathetic.

George Rebane

I for one am one of those dummies that don't have a clue about the "agenda of repression and ignorance" that the Repubs have hidden somewhere and are ready to pop on the population if they ever get into power. Besides just citing it, can someone point me to the particulars of that agenda.

On the other hand, there is no end to the existential repression and ignorance that our socialist brethren have already imposed on us, and are working daily to increase. California is the poster child for the world, cited daily by major media outlets.

Todd Juvinall

George, they cannot cite anything except a couple of nuts. The so called "progressives" are the truly "regressives" since it seems any and every human activity is regulated by them. That is why RL's opinions about R's is BS (read the platform in toto). To call us something akin to to 1933 Germany shows me the true ignorance of people and how apparently they were educated by the system. Of course, like the term "racist", the terms of 1933 Germany are meant to stop the conversation. (why don't the so-called indie critics of the democrts ever use a comparison to Mao or Stalin or Fidel?)

In California we have the best example of what repression really is as practiced by the left. For anyone to say the thousands of laws they have passed to control our behavior (and extract our money) are anything but state control are deaf dumb and blind. What PO's me is I personally have fought that crap all my life and yet these lovelies claim I am for repression.

JesusBetterman

As public libraries offer access to the internet, to a certain extent that will only increase as we move into the future, this is true:

InformationIgnorance copy

One Monster drink can is equivalent to 7 cans of coca cola in caffine. Some girl somewhere with an underlying condition drank two cans in 24 hours and died.

Russ Steele

I have been a Conservative all my life and have voted mostly Rep, some times for a Democrat when it was the best of bad choices. Having been a Rep donor when it made good sense over the last 50 years, the Republican’s have never sent me a copy of their "agenda for repression and ignorance.” If RL has a copy of this hidden agenda maybe he can share it with us, and we can track down the authors to see if they were real Republicans or just Democrat scare mongers.

JesusBetterman

Is the state being invasive by offering Yoga in schools? Some tweaked nosed Christians in SoCal are suing to have the courses stopped. Or some some religious nut cases being too invasive of the rights of others to have a happy, de-stressed, lifestyle for their children?

earlcrabb

You fellas go ahead and vote for your men's clothing store manniquin stuffed with contradictions. Is it right wing Mitt? Moderate Mitt? Depends on who he's talking to at the moment. Obama's no bargain either.
It's a free country, last I heard. Any fool (with proper papers in some states) can vote for any fool he wants to.

JesusBetterman

Our current education model is based largely on tradition. What used to be taught is still being taught. No where that I know of are there commissions, etc, that look into what would be the most useful to the individual as he/she passes through upcoming history, as an overall curriculum, K-College. Learning how to learn, and learning how to learn how to learn, are off all radars as well as learning what to learn.

Hidden agenda? Can be hidden by simple omission. For example, the relationships between employee and employer and gross business income and pay are never discussed in k-12, other than vaguely in the context of, "you will serve your employers bidding and accept his/her terms, or you will be not hired/fired." How to set up and run a successful small business is never taught in high school, just how to type, read, add, subtract, and be subservient. Could it be that this is "the way things are," because businesspeople run for and get themselves elected to school boards, using a bit of the cash they get from customers, and votes corralled by the "good ol boy" networks?

Gregory

Keach, you're never short of words to justify students not doing well that doesn't include underqualified teachers, and the reality is that if a student hasn't had an AP Calculus AB course in high school and wishes to major in math or a physical science in college, they will be behind.

I was in an algebra in 9th program, and what I remember was 7th and 8th grade math being largely unfocused. The number 1 algebra readiness item is a very good understanding of the arithmetic of fractions, multiplication, division, and with competent teachers and good texts, the majority of kids can get there in the 8th. And do, in other countries.

Bill Honig is the past state superintendent who started the whole language and whole math debacle that did the damage the current content standards were slowly repairing; that he's helping the the diluted "common core" Federal standards into place isn't comforting.

Gregory

Regarding wasted votes, you're "wasting your vote" if you bother to vote for anyone but Obama in California because, even if Obama is found in flagrante delicto with a dead girl or a live boy before election day, he will win every single Elector from California.

I choose to waste my vote for Gary Andersen this time around. If the superstorm breaks through to another dimension and hell freezes over, causing a real landslide, I'd consider voting Romney, but I'm not sure the last 55 electoral votes left for Obama would make a real difference for a mandate.

earlcrabb

Russ 9:28pm - I don't need a Democrat to tell me what willingly spews from the lips of Republican candidates. The record is there -on tape- with Akin, Mourdock, Ryan, and statehouses full of wannabe congressmen and women. Mandatory ultrasounds from the Virginia Legislature. Creationism taught as history. Scalia opining that homosexuality could legally be outlawed. That's what you call transparency, at least until they occasionally have to backtrack and lie their asses off to keep their poll numbers up. In the denial department, Republicans are right up there with the Dems in ignoring the obvious.

JesusBetterman

Greg, we've been around the underqualified teachers barn many times before. If qualified CEO's command into the millions, and doctors and lawyers into the hundreds of thousands, then why are you surprised to find under qualified teachers, when the USA average starting teachers salary is:

Myths and Facts about Educator Pay

MYTH: Teachers make just as much as other, comparable professions.

FACT: According to a recent study by the National Association of Colleges and Employers, the teaching profession has an average national starting salary of $30,377. Meanwhile, NACE finds that other college graduates who enter fields requiring similar training and responsibilities start at higher salaries:

Computer programmers start at an average of $43,635,
Public accounting professionals at $44,668, and
Registered nurses at $45,570.

http://www.nea.org/home/12661.htm

Todd Juvinall

Yeah RL, what, four people out of 50 million? You tar the rest of us with 1933 Germany and expect us to let you slide? Ain't gonna happen. Your arguments are specious but I still like your cartoons.

Gregory

Keach, a profession that squealed like a stuck pig at taking an 8th grade level test (the CBEST) is not one that requires "similar training and responsibilities" to computer science, CPA or registered nursing.

I remember one math professor from a Cal State, far enough to the left that he was smuggling medical supplies to the Sandinistas, who said flat out that his job teaching the elementary math teaching methods class to undergrads expecting to teach K-8 was depressing. They came in with a 4th grade understanding and the most he could hope for was they'd be ready to take an 8th grade algebra class afterwards. *THESE* are the people entering the teaching "profession".

Salaries are low because that is acceptable to the current teaching "profession". If teachers are to be seen as a Profession, they need to clean house.

Russ Steele

RL,

So you think that four people speak for all the rest of the Republicans. Dude, you have a real problem. Where have you parked your brain?

earlcrabb

You're assuming I'm only basing my opinion on the latest news cycle. I've been hearing and seeing this kind of reasoning from the right for decades. It's just this year that the party has weeded out anything "moderate" from the rank and file to achieve their goals. How about your forty year plan?

I reject the two party corporate duopoly. I'd rather waste my vote on a candidate that actually walks the walk. At least Johnson held his governorship in a Democratic state for two full terms. He didn't walk away like Romney when it might look bad on his resume' or Palin when the heat got too hot in the kitchen.

Like I said, you go ahead and vote any way you want. Just don't expect me to drink your kool-aid if you win.

JesusBetterman

Teachers cannot "clean house." They cannot hire and fire one another. If they could, you can bet it would not be the best and brightest that survived the process. But then I guess you feel that explains the current situation, with the hire/fire process being somewhat controlled by the unions. Of course there is nothing to keep parents and Tea Party citizens from voting out the legislators and the laws they make regarding education, aN them with what they want, except the rest of the electorate. Or from calling the teacher's bluff during a strike.

Teacher_vs_CEO_smallercopy

JesusBetterman

"and replace them with what they want"

Walt

Mr. "C".. I have listened closely to the Libertarian guy, and yes, he does have
some good ideas, but "sucks like stink on ice" when it comes to our national defence and foreign policy. Isolationism is the wrong approach all the way around. His stance on Israel is a "no go" no matter which way you cut it. Many of us have friends and family of Jewish heritage. Go back and see just what Johnson has to say about that.
And to legalize drugs wholesale? No way in hell my friend.

George Rebane

earlcrabb 1227pm - "Mandatory ultrasounds from the Virginia Legislature. Creationism taught as history. Scalia opining that homosexuality could legally be outlawed."

How does one state's requirement to inform the aborting woman of the status of her fetus - after which she can proceed with the abortion - constitute a tenet of the Republican Party?

The same can be said of any jurisdiction that requires teaching creationism. Is that a Republican tenet, given that they believe in states' rights? Can we make the same broad characterizations of the Democratic Party given the extreme idiocy that rules now in California?

And Justice Scalia is correct in saying that homosexuality could be again legally outlawed, as it was for the first two centuries of this republic. But I'll bet you the farm that neither he nor the rest of SCOTUS would ever vote for it. Your attribution that this is a Republican tenet is another lightly thought out charge that resonates with minds similarly engaged.

earlcrabb

Walt- I never said I buy into the whole Libertarian enchilada. There's no such perfect animal in the political forest, but they are as close as I can come to where I stand on the issues. Just the same as you are.
George - I tend to take these idealogues at their word. If that's what they believe, then that's how they're going to vote when the time comes. Why should I encourage them?

George Rebane

earlcrabb 114pm - Well, it looks like my 1259pm bounced off, and that's about as far as I can go. I understand that in your world all Republicans walk in lock step, as do all Democrats, and who knows who else. Another innovative application of KISS. Peace brother.

Todd Juvinall

It is no use, I agree George. Critical thinking is missing in many in the culture. But hey, Crabby is Crabby and if he says that is the way it is for him, who am I to say no.

BTW George, I still have to use the word verify crap. Can you turn it off?

Gregory

Todd, I'm afraid you'd not recognize critical thinking if it jumped up and bit you on the bum, but I like you anyway.

"Earl", I think you're being too hard on the Republicans. It isn't from being insane, it's just that redistricting has put them into ghettoized district that tends to be uncontested Republican, and that means they don't have to soften their edges. The same happens in places like Frisco; Pelosi doesn't have to talk to Republicans at home and did her best not to as Speaker.

Public employee unions drive California politics and it's been their money that has driven California politics since Jerry Brown version 1 gave them collective bargaining power over pay and benefits. Thank that for the great divide.

Gregory

Keach, if the teachers at Nevada Union spoke up and insisted the worst of them be shown the door in order to make life easier and more respectable for the rest, the District would be happy to oblige.

This will not happen, and it isn't the fault of big industrialists or bankers.

JesusBetterman

So Greg, just how are the teachers going to know how to identify "the worst?" This would be innuendo and gossip and backstabbing at its worst. We are not in one anothers classrooms very much at all, we are way too busy dealing with our own situations. I have outlined and referenced a system in which teachers were freed up to evaluate videos of teachers, but last time I posted the link, you poo pooed it, as you are often wont to do.

Here's the link again: http://farstars.blogspot.com/2012/01/on-evaluating-teachers-in-fair-and.html

Gregory

Keach, if you're saying teachers are too catty and shallow to be treated as professionals, farm out the determinations to Value Added software and a headmaster that everyone agrees is the brightest bulb in the box.

No, your scheme as I remember it (and it isn't worth revisiting) is essentially what we have now, only with the school administrators, the ones with the responsibility, cut out of the loop. There's a reason no one has ever done it that way, and why you've gotten no traction.

I know of one math teacher who other math and science teachers knew was out of control and teaching poorly. All that would have been needed to remove him in a timely manner was a school culture oriented towards cleaning house when there's a mess. Instead, it's a culture of looking the other way until they retire or can be cajoled in to leaving earlier than they wanted.

JesusBetterman

Greg, all professions have just enough "catty" folks to spoil your plan entirely. Do you think all the doctor and lawyer shows are based pure fantasy? Between daughter sister and aunt, all in the medical profession, I've had and have a ring side seat for the antics in real life. From the GDC side I've had insight into the wide range of professions encompassed in that industry, from programmers to business, legal, and graphic arts folk, to designers, and the audio end of things. One lesson learned, through listening to others, never be the third man in a partnership.

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