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17 October 2012


Paul Emery


The intelligence failures in Benghazi are thin soup compared to those that happened under the Bush admin on Sept 11 2001 and the false information about WMD's that led to the justification of our invasion of Iraq.

Paul Emery

This is another example of the Repubs war on free thinking Libertarians and Gary Johnson. Pretty pathetic and shows their insecurity about the election. This is after they changed the rules at the Convention to banish Ron Paul delegates. Supporters of freedom ? Yeah...

"In August, the Republican Party establishment violated its own rules by disenfranchising Ron Paul supporters and squelching dissenting voices now and in the future in order to assure the nomination of Mitt Romney for president.

As Election Day draws near, the same coterie of kingmakers has set their sights on the ballots in all 50 states, filing legal challenges to the presence of third-party candidates that might siphon off voters in the tight race for the White House.

One candidate targeted for ballot exclusion is former New Mexico Governor Gary Johnson, the Libertarian Party’s candidate for president...."


George Rebane

PaulE 128pm - Don't know what exactly your point here is, but in the post 9/11 era the pre-invasion intelligence from EVERY significant intelligence agency corroborated the notion that Iraq had and was developing more WMDs - that was the claim made by all the governments who signed on to the invasion. The intelligence assessment was not something that Bush2 was hatching in some dark corner.

To date the Benghazi Bamboozle appears from all available evidence as a third rate attempt to cover up a misdirected and inept foreign policy that has failed along every imaginable dimension under Obama. Everything that has still managed to work in that arena was put in place by Bush2 (and that includes the means, methods, and motivation to kill Bin Laden).

Paul Emery

And the intelligence failures that led to us being unaware of the terrorism plans for 9-11? Why shouldn't Bush be held to the same level of responsibility that you hold Obama?

And was the false evidence on WMD's that led to war a failure of intelligence or not? Simple question.

George Rebane

PaulE 241pm - I think you missed the important factor here of Bush2 telling Americans what the world's intelligent agencies reported to him before he went to war with congressional and international approval, and of Obama (and team) lying to Americans what his intelligence agencies told him re the security situation in Libya and the events of last 9/11. The former would arguably be an intelligence failure, the latter not - but instead, a failure of another kind.

If you judge them to be equivalent, I need to post another enlightening revelation in the Liberal Mind section of RR.

Paul Emery

In my view there is plenty of evidence that the Bush team failed to consider in their rush to war that could have led to different conclusions but the wanted war with Iraq and were willing to cook the books to make it seem urgent and essential that we invade Iraq. Would you like me to post information that I have that that leads me to that conclusion?

Benghazi is a one month news story. Iraq and 9-11-01 and the mistakes that led to those events will be with us for ever. I don't consider them different in nature only in significance.

Wayne Hullett

I unfortunately was surfing past MSNBC at the time that Chris Matthews was gleefully gloating over Romney's "Binders full of women" tongue tangle; obviously he meant binders full of RESUMES of women. If the best game that the cheap shot artists can bring is "binders" and "Don't fire Big Bird", then it is all over but the votin'. I personally attribute Romneys slip to his trying to state his point in an environment where Crowley was in the process of stiffing him almost 10% of time that she allowed Obama.


Even with the deck stacked against Mitt, and two against one, Mitt still came out on top. Candy tried her best to run interference to no avail.
That is why today, "O"'s poll numbers are lower than they were 24 hours ago.

The "undecided" seem to be deciding for Mitt. "O" can smile all he likes. He's just not going to smile his way out of this one.

Michael Anderson

The Mormon religion has a terrible record on woman's rights. They've come some distance in the past four decades but they still have a long way to go. Mitt Romney is a Mormon first before anything else, including "politician." This should give every woman pause, no matter her political party. No one wants to talk about this since JFK's election made religion a taboo subject for discussion. I think it's time to break that taboo.

Ryan Mount

I'll talk about LDS religion. I don't care, no more than I care about Obama's faith, whatever that it is. I suppose this is all about the "binders" slip, which of course was a discussion about resumes and not the snarky meme it's become out on the brain-dead Internets. Maybe RealClearPolitics can add it into their average?

Has everyone had a chance to see Frontline's piece on Romney and Obama?


Please do. Way better than these faux "debates." They talk extensively about both major candidates in a very sober way, including Romney's Mormon faith, which again, I don't care about.

Exit question: Who was America's most "religious" President since WWII? Wait for it...

...Bill Clinton.

Paul Emery


If you are willing to apply the same questions of veracity and character to Bush that you do Obama I might take your view of Benghazi seriously. Otherwise it's just partisan babble from a habitual Republican.


Say what you like about FOX.It really doesn't matter. It won't change the fact
that they are top dog in the news biz. and if things keep going the way they do, CNN will be seeking bailout money.

For some reason ( and GOD knows from which Progressive secret talking points wed site) "the binder" is all the Left can think of to yap about. Which will go nowhere.

So Mitt is LDS.. At least he is a man of faith. It seems "O" just went to Church as pue filler,and it might look good on his resume. Obviously he never paid attention. Now he goes to the "Holey" church of the Front and Back 9 on Sundays.

Ryan Mount

Have a look at the Frontline segment. 1 hour and 54 minutes out of your life. I think everyone will be surprised.

billy T

It was a good debate. I don't think Obama likes his challenger, but I have been wrong before. Obama won just by looking someone in the eye and did a little movement with his extremities. Much improved. A real victory.

Trouble is Obama won the battle but is getting closer to losing the war day by day. The Obama-manics shot their whole wad in the Spring. Poured millions in ads trying to win the whole enchilada by the 4th of July. Romney is a heartless money grubbin' Mc Scrooge, 1%er, Bain Capital, tax cheater, tax dodger, murderer, woman hater, cult member, abortion hater, and ties his dog to the roof of his car!! Gasp! Well, at least he had his dog in the pet carrier while tootling down the highway.

Romney has survived class warfare and the war on women to boot. He has survived being too moderate and being too conservative. The liberals thought being pro-life would sink him, yet women are flocking to Romney faster than any other group, no matter how you slice it and dice it. Sign of the times. Its the economy stupid.

With each debate Obama keeps failing to prove that Romney is a bad man. A very bad man. Did not hear anything about Bain Capital yesterday or not much about Romeny's evil sidekick Edie Munster kicking grandma off Social Security.

Nope, Romney looks like a worthy opponent standing next to our President. All that money wasted. Obama has no plan B. Maybe next debate we will discuss tax returns. Obama can will all the debates but he is losing the war. Its mid October and he hasn't wrapped it up yet. Nor will he. No brass ring for Barry.


Mcscrooge??? Forget how much he gives away to charity?
How about the fact he gave away his inheritance, started from basically
scratch to build his wealth. "O" on the other hand was given everything,
and hasn't earned an honest dollar in his life.

billy T

Oh Walt, I was simply parroting all the attacks (personal attacks) levied on Romney by the Obama campaign. Not on issues, just personal attacks. You know, the Chicago way. Plan A. No Plan B.

It is about time Obama lays out his vision for the future. Send everybody to school? OK, but what about the short term, Mr. Obama??

Walt, my real point is it does not matter if Obama wins a couple debates. His state of ship is unraveling and he is going down for the count. Let the libs claim victory in the next debate. After that its Boom, Boom, out goes the lights. Then fumigate the White House.

Momentum is a fearful thing. I would rather have momentum and be behind, than watch it all slip away. Take Wisconsin. Obama was up by 14, then 12, then 4 and now up 1 or 2. Tomorrow they will be tied. Obama is not gaining ground anywhere, Romney is everywhere. The Big Mo is going to steamroll right over Obama and smash him flatter than a pancake. Pity the poor fool who steps in what is left of him.


My humble apologies for taking your comment a little sideways Bill.
Thanks for the slap upside the head to help me see things your way a little more clearly.

George Rebane

billyT 710pm - an excellent commentary on where we are today, Mr Tozer.

PaulE 640pm - I have had every intention to "apply the same questions of veracity and character" to both men. Perhaps my "babble" to demonstrate that in these pages has not served. What can be done?


BTW.. I was listening to Beck and he made a comment that caught my undivided attention. It went sort of like this. ( he was speaking about the Oval office)
" This office never did anything great. It was never supposed too. But it protected everything that was, and is great." ( up until "O" occupied the place. That's my opinion) NASA is a shell of what it used to be thanks to him.

Yes, a new high altitude record was set here in the U.S.,, but he is from Austria. Not one of our own. I guess we take what we can get out of the deal.
Under LIB rule, what our great minds dream up here, gets sent overseas to be made. Like the Apple stuff? If it was made here, add a zero, maybe two to the cost. Thank You EPA, and the alphabet soup of regulators overseen by appointed LIBS.

Paul Emery

Billy T

What a dramatic expostulation!

All Obama has to do is win Ohio and a small battleground state and it's over. The is no point in hyperventilating about Romney's chances without confronting that realty.

I'm shopping elsewhere but as I see it Romney is like a hot date that does not look so good in the sunlight without makeup. He's kind of a one night stand. To quote Bogey in Casablanca "We'll always have Denver" True love is a fleeting thing when cruel reality enters the picture after a one night fling .

Paul Emery


That's a promising response. More tomorrow


Beck had G. Johnson on, and gave him some air time, since most other media
won't give him the time of day. He is on the ballot in 48 or 49 states.
His stance on some issues will yank some votes away from "O" and Mitt, but primarily "O".( in those states that P.E. likes to brag about.)
Yes, he has some good qualities, and some good ideas that even I could
go for. But he loses me at least on the boarder issues and foreign policy.
Other than that, I like the guy.
LIBS forget about him. The Paul people like him too, And I have heard many a Dem like some of the Libertarian ideals. But sort of like the political bastard child no one dares talk about.
So Progressives, you have more to worry about than just Mitt in those tight Eastern states. I bet he never crossed your mind.

Just think. instead of 50%+1, 33 1/3 may turn out to be the magic number if Johnson takes Ron Pauls place. Only time will tell on that.

Ryan Mount

Paul's right. If you can get beyond horse racing, If Obama takes Ohio it's over for Romney. Although the momentum is decidedly with Romney and that should frighten the pants off of the Obama campaign. It's not the current numbers, it's the trends.

Mitt is a liberal Republican, folks. Just like Conservatives said he was. Just like his Dad and his entire family. George Romney fought Barry Goldwater (and lost) and the whole neo-Conservative movement.

He's fiscally conservative and moderate to liberal on moral issues. Just look at his past record, particularly on women's heath ones (abortion). A zebra does not change his stripes.

Romney had to wear the mantle of a neo-con to get nominated, it's just that it probably took longer for him to shed it given the constant attacks from the Obama campaign as a ideologue right-winger. He shed it during the first debate and the Obama campaign had no idea what to do other than to continue with the same dumb script (will someone please send Axelrod this post?): Romney is a dangerous, right wing ideologue who is channeling the ghosts of Carnegie.


What have we learned from the first 3 debates:

1- Romney is Presidential (despite being painted otherwise by the MSM)

2- Biden is very angry and unintelligent (has great veneers), Ryan is a formidable opponent. Biden reminded voters about all the free goodies they have gotten from the Obama admin.

3- Obama desperately needs a teleprompter and has no moral code against telling lies. Whether any of the candidates has any understanding of monetary policy is unknown.

George Rebane

MikeyM 834am - I'd bet the ranch that Romney understands monetary policy perfectly. It's his ability to influence it that I worry about.

Ryan Mount


I think they all understand monetary policy. This is the "the guy I don't like is ignorant metaphor" to borrow an argument from George Lakoff.(BTW, Lakoff should stick to linguistics and stay out of populist politics).

I am overstating the above to make a point, so I beg your pardon.

Obama's clearly not dumb and it would be a grave error for his enemies to assume he can't survive without a teleprompter. Obama, when it comes to monetary policy, is not thinking long term. When when the long term policy and structural monetary issues are brought up, one gets their hand slapped by Keynesians who disingenuously inform us that "we don't know what will happen in 10, 20 or 40 years." Well, we do/can by simply by looking back 40 years and examining what our monetary policy did to us. duh.

So the correct question is what is Obama's long term strategy relative to his short term pumping? Also, what does he expect to come from the short term pumping? These seem to be rhetorical questions from my perspective.

BTW, on what would appear to be an off topic observation, I was looking at Google Maps this AM, and the White House is surrounded by the Treasury and FDIC buildings on its left and right side. Weird.

Michael Anderson

Ryan, I will agree with you about Mitt being a liberal Republican in all aspects except for one: his understanding of the role women will play in the global economy in the 21st century.

My great-great grandfather was a polygamist and my mother was terribly critical of the Mormon religion's treatment of women growing up in Murray, Utah (though she never left Mormonism officially, eventually receiving her PhD from BYU once all her kids had left the nest). There is a split among Mormons regarding woman's role in life and the religion. Here's a recent article that explains this split pretty well: http://nymag.com/news/features/mitt-romney-mormonism-2012-10/

If this election is going to be decided by women, then I think this discussion about Mormon feminism needs to happen right now.

My mom died in her early 60s from 2 types of cancer, which I am sure had something to do with her living under the smokestacks of the lead smelters in Murray while she was growing up. Mormons are not Calvinists, and I am the first person to say that a person's religion is personal and probably shouldn't be a part of the discussion. But if born-again-ism is important, so is this.

In this case I think it's pertinent.


The point I attempted to make was that none of the debates discussed monetary policy (and monetary policy does not make for good stump speech material). We can look at what Obama has blessed over the past 4 years, though I think it is against the rules to point out his record.

For the record I don't think Bernanke has a good grasp of monetary policy and I have already cast my presidential vote for Ron Paul.

"Whether any of the candidates has any understanding of monetary policy is unknown. "

Ryan Mount


I just don't think one's religion is relevant. Is Obama's fire-breathing Church relevant then?

Romney, despite his recent and fake conversion (see Frontline episode), is decidedly to the left of center on Women's issues, notably heath topics. And I think it's a formal hasty generalization fallacy to assume that his Faith, as wacky as I believe it to be, will have any influence more than any other President in the past. It's as odd to me as assuming Obama is some undercover Muslim Manchurian or Christian version of the Weather Underground candidate. I don't buy it.


I wasn't busting your balls. My assessment is far more cynical that yours, that's all. I believe they know what they're doing. They're not dumb. And they may even believe their actions to be just and pragmatic. I just think they're not looking further out more than 4 years, tops.

Ryan Mount

Please laugh.


Cow People.

Jesus Betterman

Hey, whatdayaknow, new account and the thing works.

Loved the way Romney slung around the "60%" when talking about the taxes and the rich, hoping that the uneducated would hear, "the rich are taxed at 60%"

Romney has joined Osama. Unlike an iceberg, 100% of Romney is underwater, thanks to his 47% remark.

Todd Juvinall

MichaelA says, "Ryan, I will agree with you about Mitt being a liberal Republican in all aspects except for one" etc

Well now, how is it the MA and Purple man and pals say we on the right are so extreme that Genghis Khan is on our left and we are super partisans? If we are supporting Mitt, as most of us radical right wing extremists are, maybe you lovelies have it wrong. Maybe we right-wingers are the real "hands across the isle" folks and the democrats are not?

Jesus Betterman

Rightwing extremists are choosing the lesser of two evils, as they are finally forced to eat the same stuff their House has been serving the American public since 2010. BTW, another bit of recorded history comes tumbling out onto Romney's head:


Ryan Mount


I'm not Democrat (not since 1988), but I'm not backing down on the "Mitt Romney is a liberal Republican" thing. He appears to want to be a fiscal conservative, but even his record on that is unclear. So is Ryan's for that matter.

But the fact that Romney made a dart towards the center certainly has the Obama campaign in a tizzy. All that's left is "he's a liar" and "flip-flopper." Campaigns are won with optimism, not by painting your enemies as monsters. Reagan understood that as did 2008 Obama.

Keep it up Democrats, the Romney campaign needs you.

George Rebane

Mormonism is indeed an exotic religion with an astounding cosmology that provides for Man's evolution to the pantheon of gods and unending glory for believers. It is not an endtimer religion like Christianity or Islam.

Judging a politician by his declared religion of record is somewhat like judging a politician by his promises. There is little correlation between the talk and the walk.

However, I do believe that the most reliable predictor of a politician's actions is an analysis of his total record - kinderstube, training/experience, private life, public service. But that analysis is always heavily colored by the belief system of the analyst, so its utility is not of uniform worth to others.

In Obama's case this prescription is corroborated because Obama was inexperienced in executive management, affairs of state, and accomplished NOTHING before being propelled into the Presidency; and in office he has continued his record of accomplishments while doing (im?)measurable harm to the nation. And the best we can tell from his unannounced plan forward is that he plans to double down and reprise his first term's achievements. (see 18oct12 update above)

Ryan Mount

It always seemed to me that the Mormons were the 19th Century version of Scientology with a few important distinctions. The most important being that the Mormons, who were savagely discriminated against, found the United States to be the real promised land. And our Constitution was the framework that provided the necessary space and freedom for God's work.

I have a soft spot for Mormons in that regard.

Needless to say, the institutional bigotry alluded to by Michael A above is indeed a problem for the church, but I really see no evidence of that in Romney. This is despite the Democrat's intense campaign to make him appear that way. The "binders" thing is a good example of that.

George Rebane

RyanM 1140am - My readings and discussions with Mormons was that they did NOT find the US to be the real promised land - that was their reason for moving to Utah, and their fumbled attempts to defend their redoubt against non-Mormon American settlers crossing their lands and seeking to settle there.

Re the 'binders' affair. To me it really highlights both the established tenor/substance and new desperation of the Obama campaign.

Ryan Mount


The America as Promised Land is a debatable point, I will concede that. However generally speaking, mainstream LDS folk believe and preach that. At least my Mormon friends frequently mentioned that when I was a wee lad. Also we had several "trips" to the Oakland Temple where I was subjected to films in the basement. (I was in the school choir and 80% of my companions where Mormons) Needless to say my Presbyterian Grandmother put a stop to that when she showed up at the temple and whisked me away one day.

> Re the 'binders' affair. To me it really highlights both the established tenor/substance and new desperation of the Obama campaign.

I agree with that. They're running out of ideas at the worst possible time for them.

Todd Juvinall

I should become a Mormon. I have been told I was too much too handle for just one woman.

That was for MichaelA. LOL!

D. King

No words - Big impact!


Jesus Betterman

Never understood the binders thing, to me it's on the same level as "The Scream" as painted by media over the real Dr. Howard Dean. There was stuff far worse than that in Romney's presentation, see the 60% bit above.

George Rebane

JesusB 347pm - That you consider Romney's statement linked in your 1041am to be "far worse" than the binder smokescreen does boggle the mind. As an employee, I would most certainly want to know (demand?) what my boss/owner thinks about which election alternatives he considers best for the/his business. Such a statement to the employees in no way encumbers how they submit their secret ballots, but does provide them with an additional and important piece of information. The gulf widens.

(Who in hell is Jesus Betterman, another Doug Keachie sock puppet?)


Georg, The pronunciation of J. B. is probably Haysus.( simplified)
Think "South of the Boarder".
Some Government official may have caught up with him. ( CARB maybe?)
So now he is a " better man" because he is now down to a shovel.

Russ Steele

Joel Kotkin writes about the present day Mormons in his City Journal article: It’s Mormon in America.

Here is and extract from the article:

Today, some religious fundamentalists continue to rail against Mormons, while coastal sophisticates scoff at their earnest approach to life, religion, and family. Yet the methodical Mormon way, which stresses education, ambition, and charitable giving, has succeeded in ways equaled by few religious groups. Mormons enjoy levels of education and wealth higher than the national average, for example. Some 54 percent of LDS men and 44 percent of women have secured postsecondary education; the numbers for the general American population are 37 percent and 28 percent, respectively. Mormons also enjoy the nation’s highest rate of charitable giving.

The rest is here: http://www.city-journal.org/2012/22_4_snd-mormons.html


Hilarious must watch.


Jesus Betterman

I tried to keep it simple and experiment to get back on line here. Of course I'm Keach, who else would I be. You can just call me, "J.B." for short, with out without the periods.

Jesus Betterman

"With or without the periods."

Now how do I fgo about avoiding the captcha game every blinking time?


Well, another solar Co. given taxpayer money goes boobs up.
And "O" wants to double down on it IF he gets a second chance?

"A solar company that got a multi-million-dollar grant from the Department of Energy earlier this year announced Wednesday that it will file for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection, making it the second taxpayer-backed green energy company to file for bankruptcy this week.
Satcon Technology Corp. announced the decision in a Wednesday news release."

And it gets worce.
" The complete list of faltering or bankrupt green-energy companies:
1.Evergreen Solar ($24 million)*
2.SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
3.Solyndra ($535 million)*
4.Beacon Power ($69 million)*
5.AES’s subsidiary Eastern Energy ($17.1 million)
6.Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
7.SunPower ($1.5 billion)
8.First Solar ($1.46 billion)
9.Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
10.EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
11.Amonix ($5.9 million)
12.National Renewable Energy Lab ($200 million)
13.Fisker Automotive ($528 million)
14.Abound Solar ($374 million)*
15.A123 Systems ($279 million)*
16.Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($6 million)
17.Johnson Controls ($299 million)
18.Schneider Electric ($86 million)
19.Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
20.ECOtality ($126.2 million)
21.Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
22.Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
23.Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
24.Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
25.Range Fuels ($80 million)*
26.Thompson River Power ($6.4 million)*
27.Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
28.LSP Energy ($2.1 billion)*
29.UniSolar ($100 million)*
30.Azure Dynamics ($120 million)*
31.GreenVolts ($500,000)
32.Vestas ($50 million)
33.LG Chem’s subsidiary Compact Power ($150 million)
34.Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
35.Navistar ($10 million)
36.Satcon ($3 million)*

*Denotes companies that have filed for bankruptcy


A New Low

Keachie, using The Lord's name as a sock puppet is a new low, even for you. It saddens me on multiple levels that you cannot understand how disrespectful such an action is?

Ryan Mount

> Hilarious must watch.

Brutal. Obama was sitting 6 feet from him. Wow.

Jesus Betterman

Greg, you have just insulted everyone named Jose and/or Mohammed and variants out there. Do you suppose you are a betterman than Jesus? That'll teach you to play with my socks' initials or name. Try flying a little higher next time, and don't be such a wind sock. Hmmmmm, now that's a good sock name, might use that when The Union commenting section finally has the bugs all worked out of it. I gonna take a guess, probably about a month after the election, so they don't have to eat crow for Thanksgiving.

Jesus Betterman

In my Bible, Jesus has a much better sense of humor, than the one you found in yours, Mr. Gregory Goodknight, I presume? That last wets the fuse on any defsmstion lawsuit, sorry, you'll have to get up much earlier to pull that one off.


Quite agree " New low"....
Keach is known for knowing no boundaries, and and any kind of rules never
apply to him. Those are for "other people".
He gets vary defencive when he gets called out on his "rule breaking".
The day will come when that catches up with him. It's just a matter of time.

Jesus Betterman

Of course "raghead" is just fine with you, Walt, despite the wide swath it takes in.

George Rebane

Gentlemen, gentlemen - your debate on the use of 'Jesus' notwithstanding, it should not be an intellectual feat to understand that 'raghead', as used in these pages, takes in a very narrow swath (please see Glossary). Unless, of course, you choose to indict every Muslim as being a bloodthirsty killer in the name of Allah. I don't, and I know of no reader of these pages who does.


Good luck with that Keach, I have NEVER used that term when I post, here, or anywhere. I respect other religions and don't criticize them. ( maybe you should try that.) But the fact remains that at this point in time ( now read this carefully.. We know how you are) All ( if not most) terrorists are Muslim, but NOT all Muslims are terrorists. Can you comprehend that? Or will you try and find some way to twist that to try and soot your needs?

Your a big member of the "PC" gang, So when did it become "PC" to attack and disparage a person's faith? So much for the , "sensitivity", Progressives like yourself keep demanding of others.

BTW,, I got a text from Lucifer and he offered me a job for a new project that he has decided to do. It's a whole new level of hell for those that like to kick other's beliefs around. Even he, respects those boundaries. But he loves to get his pitchfork into those that cross those boundaries.
I think I will send a reply back, and will do the job at cost.

He could have dragged me down more than a few times if that was my destination. My line of work as you know is a risky business.

Jesus Betterman

I am not criticizing Jesus, in fact I think He had the right idea, when it comes to treating one's fellow human. Maybe I should have made that "Jesus BestMan," but I'm sure you'd find fault with that just as fast. I basically got tired of a low flying personality here taking swipes ad hominem with respect to the socks I choose to wear. The reason for wearing said socks I will tell you in person, but suffice it to say, it is for a good cause, and at least my version of Jesus would approve. Or are only believers of Jesus of a Particular Church allowed to post His possible opinions here?

Billy T



Miss me yet? I've been away for about a week.

Sorry Keach Almighty, but I'm not the guy who nailed you for your new low, and I'm not impressed both by your tossing my name around in vain, and that "A New Low" didn't have the decency of disabusing you of your guess.

Responsible adults don't invent scores of sock puppets in order to play fast and loose with defamations, but Doug Keachie does.

The login via yahoo is still broken but the old workaround is apparently working agin.

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