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26 April 2013

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Bill Tozer

Along the lines of econuts and mixed nuts in general, here is a interesting article what some homosexual protesters did across the pond.

http://www.policymic.com/articles/38031/femen-belgian-archbishop-soaked-by-topless-protesters

Seems those that preach tolerance the loudest are the sames one who are very intolerant of others' viewpoints.

In California, a petition is being circulated to have the police go door to door and confiscate people's guns. Since when do we throw out the Constitution and beg for a tyrannical government? The right to bear arms is a right to use deadly force against a tyrannical government and defend and protect one's liberties by one's own hand. Why do those who espouse freedoms and rights the loudest are the ones who are willing to have the same liberties and rights trampled upon so readily?

Why do those who cry their rights have been violated the loudest are the ones who are the first to violate others' rights?

Lots of nuts out there. Way too much irony. Fascism is nothing more than the merger of big Brother Government with big businesses. Too Big To Fail government think has crippled our economy and has Helicopter Ben working overtime buying up those sub prime slimes as we speak. Nobody else will touch them with a stolen dick. It has not helped the economy much as far as the unemployment numbers.

The nuts do not want fascism. They want Nazism. That is why they are nuts.

earlcrabb

Looks like you don't need to be a citizen to do anything in California.

http://www.flashreport.org/blog/2013/04/26/californias-new-undocumented-jurors/

George Rebane

earlcrabb 730am - Yes, I saw that somewhere yesterday and I was wondering, what is your take on this 'progress' as viewed from the middle?

Russ Steele

During a April 24th speech to the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund, Attorney General Eric Holder said that creating a "pathway to earned citizenship" was a "civil right.”

"Creating a pathway to earned citizenship for the 11 million unauthorized immigrants in this country is essential. The way we treat our friends and neighbors who are undocumented – by creating a mechanism for them to earn citizenship and move out of the shadows – transcends the issue of immigration status. This is a matter of civil and human rights. It is about who we are as a nation. And it goes to the core of our treasured American principle of equal opportunity."

Hell, why stop there let's make the rest of the world eligible for US Citizenship, just show up and it is your for asking. /sarc

Paul Emery

What's your view Russ on what we should do with the 11 million undocumented immigrants in this country? "Voluntary deportation"? What do you see as the options?

earlcrabb

Geo 8:20 - This is just bizarre to me, but not surprising since the Democratic party has made it their mission to divorce California from the rest of the nation. The giveaways to anyone who can crawl under or over the fence is staggering. I have nothing against Latinos, and I'm sure many of them will do well here, but there will also be many who come for the freebies. If you saw my cartoon in the paper today, you'll see that Prop 13 is the next target of the gluttons.

It's a shame that there isn't any organized opposition to the Democrats. The Repubbys have painted themselves into such a tight ideological corner that it will be years before they can make a difference in this state. By then it will be too little, too late.

George Rebane

earlcrabb 1000am - Good points Bob. Saw your great cartoon this morning and filched it for an update to this post. Given the current Repub position - secure the border, establish path to citizenship for 11M, set up new guest worker program - where do you see the "tight ideological corner"?

earlcrabb

It's more than immigration. When you look at what's going on in the South and Midwest states, it's obvious that the right wing has as little regard for freedom and rights as their adversaries. Vaginal probes for women, nail the closet shut on gays, gut government services, and go too far in the other direction on regulation. There is no center to the Republican party anymore. As far as I'm concerned, I'd sooner stick my hand into a bag of rattlesnakes than vote for either party.

George Rebane

Administrivia - Please check out the gun policy survey in the 27apr13 update to the 'US Murder Rate History' post here.
http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2013/04/us-murder-rate-history.html

Russ Steele

Paul Emery@09:57AM

The unemployment rate in Mexico has been dropping since 2008 and it is now at 4.5% and many undocumented workers are returning home to Mexico. Our national economy is in the doldrums and is not going to pick up until the ObamaCare issues are resolved. With fewer jobs in the US many will choose to go back to their home countries. We can accelerate that return by enforcing E-Verify and close the welfare roles for the undocumented immigrants. Will this solve all the issues. No.

I would stop sending money to nations in the middle east and send that money instead to stimulate the economies of the nations south of our border where the majority of the immigrants are coming from. This will slow the flow north and spur a flow south, as the home countries economies improve. It was economic that brought the immigrants here and it will be economic incentives that encourage them to return to their home country.

Paul Emery

Thanks for the reasoned response Russ and that may mitigate the those who recently arrived and deter others from coming here in the future but part of the problem is what to do with those who have been here for five, ten or twenty years some of which have been raising families? Any ideas?

Crabb 27 April 2013 at 10:00 AM

You're singing my song. The Republicans have failed as an opposition party in this State and nationally as well and are getting worse. I'm third party all the way.

hg

Why don't we just buy Mexico. Then we can tax the bejeezes out of them and make them kick down more for Obamacare. Or we could put them all on the dole. That will keep them in their homes and villages playing video games and taking very long siestas everyday. They will lose the initiative to trudge across the deserts to improve their lot in life. Hey, it works here.

Ben Emery

Just wanted to update RR on the all American company Walmart and their immoral business practices.

Death Toll of poor brown people is around 350. These are our equivalent to American Southern slaves. Slavery didn't end it just change faces from chattel slavery to wage slavery and has been exported to undeveloped poor nations.

Building Collapse in Bangladesh Leaves Scores Dead
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/25/world/asia/bangladesh-building-collapse.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

"The collapse followed a fire in November that killed 112 workers making shorts and sweaters for export and that led importers, including Walmart, to vow to do more to ensure the safety of factories where goods they sell are manufactured. The building collapse on Wednesday quickly revived questions about the commitment of local factory owners, Bangladeshi officials and global brands to provide safe working conditions."

George Rebane

BenE 1015pm – Ben, you really are a piece of work. The tendrils of causation and responsibility that bind your world leave me and most gagging with disbelief. Your latest example of capitalist atrocity and example of America’s economic imperialism is the building collapse in Bangladesh, that in your eyes, and according to your sense of justice is the fault of Walmart. You would make a dream juror for tort lawyers.

But why stop at Walmart, one of the customers of the factory building that collapsed (that was also built according to Bangladeshi building codes, customs, and practices). In a global economy, American companies buy goods and services from companies all over the world, companies in which workers are dying and being mangled daily in industrial accidents and workplace mishaps. Think of all the mined minerals, the forest products, the farm produce; think of the raw metals, chemicals, and other commodities produced daily at a tremendous human cost by workers who understand the risks yet thank their gods that they have jobs.

And through this trade American (and other developed countries’) companies have created millions of jobs (to you a ‘changed face of slavery’) for people whose alternative lives were a step this side of destitution. In your logic every one of these firms is then guilty of all manner ‘crimes’ that from a more sane perspective explains away why such developing nations have enjoyed an enormous increase in their standards of living and continue to do so today.

And the rest of the world also benefits from the work that benefits such workers. I doubt that you appreciate the economic devastation that global state (UN?) imposed price controls would cause were your criteria for economic justice implemented. Nevertheless, an argument for your deeper sanity is that you and yours (presumably) don’t insist on paying an enhanced ‘fair price’ when you buy at Walmart and all the other outlets that offer goods made overseas.

Ben Emery

George,
So you don't see any obligation for companies for safe working conditions? Do you think Walmart purposefully targets nations and regions that have low or no standards? By whose measure for the higher standard of living are you using? If we are going to export our US factories and manufacturing our standards should be applied. Do you think there should be some standards that are mandatory for US based companies no matter where they choose to do business? If not you are creating a race to the bottom. I believe in personal responsibility. It appears you support screwing people over especially if they are so poor they have no ability to redress their grievances within a functional legal system.

Right back at you with "you really are a piece of work. The tendrils of causation and responsibility that bind your world leave me and most gagging with disbelief."

George Rebane

BenE 951am - Astounding as it may seem, when I buy a product from a store, I don't feel any obligation to vet them for their employees' safe working conditions or vet their suppliers for same. Your first blanket sentence is inane in its broad vagueness.

"... whose measure of higher standard of living ...?" Not mine, not yours, but theirs.

We are exporting nothing. We are buying from people who freely deliver to us the best value.

"I believe in personal responsibility." Actually you believe in being able to impose your diktats on others by force.

Your last statement is right on the mark, with the exception of your inclusion of "most". Most people, unlike you, are not hypocrites and regularly buy things from stores and companies that serve their and their families' needs without the silly agonizing you do here before buying the same things for the same prices.

Bill Tozer

My, my. I heard about the building collapse in Bangladesh. The building was weakened, had major cracks in it, and the workers were ordered back to work. They had two choices. Keep working in an unsafe building or find another job. As distasteful as this is, it happens all the time there and in other places. Not that unusual..

Can't blame Wal-Mart. If someone has a contract with Wal-Mart or Apple to make widgets or underwear or even berets for our military, then they better deliver if they want to stay in business. There will be many lining up to replace them if the contacts go elsewhere.

Ben, I suppose you would like what the Chinese did in the aftermath of the lead paint toys and anti-freeze in Fido's food scandals. They simply executed the ones in charge.

What you fail to realize Mr. Ben is that in many parts of the world a human being is disposable, a commodity if your will. Like the old horse that was sent off to the soap factory in Animal Farm, or was that 1984? Nothing new. The only place practicing true slavery in the world today is in Northern Africa where the Arabs are taking black slaves as we speak. Their religion allows and condones the practice. Other regions have "indentured servants", like the sex trade going in the Asian community in San Fransisco.

In America and Western Europe, life is valued more than in numerous regions around the globe. That is why the abortion debate will not simply go away.

If you feel strongly about a particular supplier of commodities imported to America, then fire off some letters and voice your displeasure. Threaten to never set foot in a Wal-Mart, as if you would anyway, lol.

TheMikeyMcD

I pay more in property tax today than I paid in rent 13 years ago.
Actual property tax, school tax on property, permit tax on all upgrades/maintenance, fire taxes-plural, etc). NO wonder rents are out of sight.

Over taxed, unequally taxed and inefficiently taxed.

Russ Steele

Pew %35 percent of Mexican population would migrate to US, about 40 million people to join the 11 million alredy here, 6 million which are illegal.

More than 11 million Mexicans live in the U.S., including about 6 million who are in the country illegally.1 Mexicans are divided on whether this is good or bad for their country; 44% say it is good for Mexico that many of its citizens live in the U.S., and an equal share say this is bad for Mexico.

About six-in-ten Mexicans (61%) say they would not move to the U.S. even if they had the means and opportunity to do so. However, a sizable minority (35%) say they would move to the U.S. if they could, including 20% who say they would emigrate without authorization.

Full details here: http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/04/29/u-s-image-rebounds-in-mexico/

George Rebane

RussS 420pm - good comment and link Russ. It doubly underlines the requirement that job one of any immigration reform law is to secure the border.

bill tozer

Here is another take on immigration. Not illegal immigration with a boatload of grammar school drop outs, but real legal immigration in California:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/29/us/asians-now-largest-immigrant-group-in-southern-california.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

George Rebane

BillT 703pm - good link Mr Tozer. We lived our life in that neighborhood and saw the changes over 50 years. Even though wealthier ethnic Chinese are now prominent in places like Pasadena, South Pasadena, and San Marino, there is still no doubt that LA is the capital of the third world. The number of Asian ethnicities and cultures is dizzying, and not all of them get along with each other (and none of them get along with the blacks and Hispanics).

bill tozer

Very true Dr. Rebane. Have not been to your old stomping grounds around Sunland-Tujunga in many a year, but last time I visited my Aunt on the La Crescenta-La Canada border, all the old little Mexican food places and small liquor stores had Asian writing on the windows and they were selling more Korean rice bowls than you could shake a stick at.

I remember when tensions arose when the gay community started moving into the Silver Lake area and the Mexicans did not care for the new residents, as well as the gays did not care for the Mexicans. Think money talked and the Mexicans got pushed out, but its been over two decades since I did a job down so who knows what community claims that area now.

About the only place in the LA area where the black gangs and Hispanic gangs ran together was in Pacoma, a place made famous when Rodney King decided he was not going back to prison one fateful night and drove 100 mph through the side streets fleeing the cops. Oh yeah, the media called him "the motorist Rodney King", lol.

Back to the point, birds of a feather flock together. When one group moves in, another group is pushed out or leaves. If you are white, then it is called white flight. If you are a person of color, then it is called upward mobility.

I do feel many related when the Reverend Jesse Jackson made a remark years ago that was not politically correct. He said he was walking in a city at night and heard footsteps coming up behind him. He said he turned and was relieved to see it was just a couple of white guys. Guess I would feel safer walking the streets of South Pasadena at night than the streets of East LA, but is not politically correct to think that way. Guess I am still a work in progress.

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